>>109255698
>>>/biz/

>>109255698
Never because once people accept that they’ll have to have a very uncomfortable thought about what it means for their lives that they are now not needed in society and their work gives them zero leverage.
Whenever an animal group gets too big in nature, there is only one way that goes. The herd leaves the weakest ones who can’t provide any resources to die or actively culls them. Every animal does this instinctively even if no individual makes the decision to do it.

>>109255698
I graduated this march in a european country and it took two months to get a C++ software engineer job in the defence industry, which is currently booming. Looking at /utwg/, it seems like a lot of the doomposters are also underqualified, retarded or have significant red flags they don't notice. Unironically a skill issue

>>109255698
Man, I love being an AI Solutions Engineer, making wagies lose their jobs warms my heart

>>109255698
Technology?

>>109255721
>European chimes in with irrelevant opinion about his irrelevant shithole
A tale as old as time

>>109255736
LLM adoption for SWE is a global phenomenon. My experience proves OP is retarded

Can't you automate a McDonalds? Didn't they already prove this is possible? I don't know why people use images like this as if those jobs are safe.

>>109255742
Quiet sweetie, the Americans are speaking.

>>109255753
They can, but they won't. These food affairs are more complicated than they seem to be. It's mostly a social ritual thing, everything else comes second. To have the ritual as is, completely unaltered, you'd have to replace humans with AGI. Which does not exist.

>>109255761
I strongly doubt this for the consumers of McDonalds.
I bet there's nothing actually stopping a franchinsee from doing this and they'd probably make bank even if there was some small/faux backlash for a week.
At least in the US McDonald's employees do not care about the customer and the customer in turn does not care about them. They want a correct order more than they want the chefs to be employed.

>>109255753
>Can't you automate a McDonalds? Didn't they already prove this is possible? I don't know why people use images like this as if those jobs are safe.
Holy fuck you're literally retarded. AI is hitting jobs like SWE the hardest, it's too retarded to deal with equally retarded boomer customers who have no idea how to speak to the AI without fucking up the order. And plus robots are nowhere advanced enough to physically replace a humans. McDonald's would have massive layoffs if it could replace humans but you don't see that happening. Your argument is false equivalency but keep on coping you stupid nigger faggot.

>>109255754
Americans don't speak, they shout. It's their perceived way of winning an argument. It sure ain't reasoning as is apparent in this thread

>>109255754
M8, sorry to break it to you, but 'Murricans are basically irrelevant in the grand scheme of things as of now. Especially when it comes to software.
What is your impression of American software? Mine is that of aids riddled spyware that demands to pay tributes to Israel monthly (subscription) and constantly tries to scam me with "upselling" into spending more money, despite quality getting worse and worse by an hour.
This is the current state of American software. So you better just be silent about it.

>>109255770
You write that in the present but McDonald's already did this in the past. I can understand why you're projecting that hard in the lede, you must have some frustrations and insecurities around that.

>>109255698
>3-4 years
So you believe layoffs started because of GPT-3?

>>109255767
It may seem so, but it's all about the details. McDonald's is very old. They have a massive amount of these details sprinkled all over their customer service. It's basically a culture that lives there, medium for the culture is the employees, management and the clientele. They way all of that interacts is akin to cogs in the machine. It is all very well configured due to how much experience they have accumulated.
You cannot easily automate something like that. It's not a vending machine. Vending machines exist already, they've been around for many decades, but they have not replaced mcdonald's which is still a giant.

>>109255798
Not really, the boomers were the one that fell for it.
Ford starts to rehire all the employees lol.

>>109255800
The irony of this is that it mimics the pattern OP is detracting from.
That is to say, OP is making it seem like everyone else has to cope except the McDonald's employees. But the reality is that what you wrote looks like fry cook cope.
>they will never automate me, they just can't
I'm not saying this to make you made but it's just not the truth and you will have to come to terms with this eventually.

>>109255815
>what you wrote looks like fry cook cope
I've never worked there, in fact, I'm not sure if I ever visited mc. Pure reasoning mostly.

>>109255845
Whether you specifically are or not doesn't change the meaning. The intention is that it is the cope of a fry cook, the sentiment not the subject. You may have wrote it and may not be a chef but that doesn't mean their lament isn't shared.

>>109255774
Cope
Nearly all big tech is American or Chinese, the whole of Europe is completely irrelevant

>>109255855
There is not sentiment, it's pure reasoning. You're the one trying to inject sentiments.
And you are the one claiming vending machines with voice assistant would replace old fashioned restaurants. That tech existed for decades and did nothing. That's hard evidence.
All your counterarguments are just sentiments indeed.

>>109256045
Last time I checked only good software was created in Europe, purchased by some random jews, business registered in USA, then it turned into a
> aids riddled spyware that demands to pay tributes to Israel monthly (subscription) and constantly tries to scam me with "upselling" into spending more money, despite quality getting worse and worse by an hour

As for Chinese, they are basically USSR 2.0, just copy cat and scale up everything. Doomed to fail. They are only successful because American-Israeli business people are so dumb they ruin their own business. Basically outsource manufacturing to a country known to ignore the IP. They send the IP to a country that ignores IP ownership. And expect to make money from this affair. I can't even call them dumb. Dumb person still has some intellect. These fuckers are basically furniture. What nepotism does to a country is phenomenal.

>>109256069
You misunderstood what I meant twice, so instead of being brief I'll be pedantic.

What I'm saying is that what you wrote is the same sentiment as someone under that position.
The implication that you might be a fry cook too, is merely in jest.
Again, whether you are one or not doesn't change the fact that it's cope. The irony being it's the same cope OP is making fun of.
You're saying McDonald's has a foundation and history that makes it impossible for their employees to be at threat of being replaced.
I don't think I have to go into detail as to why that doesn't matter. People who are already replaced made the same arguments in the past, and here we are with them homeless in the present.
Fry cooks are not immune, and I conclude this after reading the cook's cope. Whether it come from your mouth or his the words are the same.

>>109256102
>Euronigger writes essay-length cope to explain why eurabia hasn’t accomplished anything
Don’t you have your daughter’s six on one muzzie gangbang to attend?

>>109256126
Cooks maybe are not immune, since they are not consumer facing part of the enterprise, but waiters are.
But then again, they would have to change the way their food looks and tastes. You literally do not need any AI whatsoever to have a manufacturing line outputting perfect burgers, without any human at the conveyor belt.
Guess what, that tech is very old, but there are still humans flipping burgers. Your arguments are literally meaningless, as they have been shown time and time again to be wrong. Why do you persist so much?
Vending machines and fully automated manufacturing lines have not replaced old fashioned restourants, not even fast food ones.
You can see evidence if you look outside your window. Are you dumb or something?

Let me get something clear. I was not arguing as much with you, as I was trying to explain why some things are the way they are. Instead of trying to understand the complexity of the world around, you come up with some ridicuously oversimplified claims and tried to inject sentiments in our discussion. There is no macdonalds cook here, OP is a faggot and his opinion is irrelevant to our discussion. We are talking about why AI has not displaced anyone in Macdonald's business. It is a fact. It did not. I just explained to you why it happened. Any more questions?

>>109255721
>I graduated this march in a european country and it took two months to get a C++ software engineer job in the defence industry

I was replaced by AI.
Master's graduate in CS (with honors) from top 3 uni in my eastern europoor country. Have been SWE for 4 years. In the beginning of 2026 I was replaced by AI.

Now I'm a janitor with minimum wage. It's over for me. My life is completely destroyed. I loved computers and mathematics, but the reality turned out to bee to cruel for me. Probably I will commit suicide in forseeable future.

>>109255698
i work for a company that you have heard of and they just systemically replace whites with indians 1:1.5-2

the total headcount of developers is not getting lower

indians will say yes saar to anything, completely shart up the designated java class and not do any holistic changes to actually optimize the system. and generally you have to explicitly instruct them exactly what to do.

>>109255770
damn, just how triggered are you fags. is mcdonalds your actual career? Kinda funny to think you ai fags are just seething at softdevs while flipping burgers

>>109256311
also critical libraries and services (like authentication) are still looked after by a small cabal of whites and jeets dont go near those libraries and services unless explicitly told to do so.

>>109255698
>AI is replacing manual labour jobs bro
>meanwhile muh Fable still can't write a script to match letters when asked trick questions
Holy fucking shit Sam. You NEED to get a real fucking job. Hyping up your fucking IPO on a Mongolian amateur cave painting and underwater basket weaving forum IS NOT a job.

>>109256348
>>109256311
CRUD shit is irrelevant anyways, it was supposed to be replaced by AI even before LLMs, LMAO. It's literally fake programming. You are a bunch of UI people and code monkeys doing accounting together.

>>109256317
I was replaced by AI and unfortunately I didn't work at mcdonalds...

>>109256383
crud jobs were 90% jobs in tech industry.
if cruds are over, then the whole tech is over.

i'm java crud spring boot monkey and probably i will commit suicide in the next month.

>>109256399
Then you should know most of those jobs will disappear because of monopolies like amazon and such.
This amount of crud shit was on the market because businesses tried to establish pressence online for their shops or services. It's all about selling shit, about money. That is why they payed you for crud shit. Both smol businesses and big corpos alike.
Now that those tiny ones frequently opting for big platforms, only corpos still care about being independent from other big corpos, because they are often if not competitors, they might have literally the same shareholders and those do not like such clumps, they want to enforce competition often, to get rid of possible corruption behind their backs. If they're smart.

So don't rush with your suicide, m8. Given how you are a specific kind of crud monkey, the one big corpos prefer, you still might have the chance. You just wait a little until shatbots fuck up their business enough for them to rehire you.

>>109255754
This is the fucking problem. American tech sector and American economy is going downhill and you fuckass burgers think it’s happening everywhere equally. LLMs are global phenomena that impacts every country, but only your country and few other unique examples are suffering from Indians and post-COVID overhiring.

I have recently asked my gen z friend about what should I do if I'm a neet for over a year and he said that everything will be skibidi, twerked a little bit, and got distracted my his tiktok feed

>>109256478
is there any other options in tech besides backend (cruds+microservices)/frontend/mobile shit?

there's some c++ jobs in my europoor country, but most of them are just some legacy Qt desktop shit or something in defense. computer vision and classic ML are very rare and usually the ask phd for such kind of jobs. there are also so-called "AI" jobs but it's just backend cruds with some agentic shit like langchain or langgraph or SpringAI.

I have a feel that market is oversaturated everywhere and there's no growing fields in tech anymore. Maybe only AI, but I'm not in the US and I have no access to the US job market with shitloads of AI startups.

>>109256565
>American tech sector and American economy is going downhill and you fuckass burgers think it’s happening everywhere equally

but in europe it's pretty much the same. isn't it? there are some jobs in defense and that's all.
german economy is in decline, automotive is dead, what is left? some legacy banks and insurances? but they don't have open positions? wolt/glovo/revolut/jetbrains? well, there're some jobs left, but jetbrains is dying right now. local consultancies? already filled with 35+ yo millenials and boomers.

>>109256625
Tech industry is kind of booming in EU because governments are investing into non-US tech infrastructure and here we have significantly less programmers so even a minor boost is huge. The car industry is going down because EU was the only non-Chinese industrial economy alongside Japan and Chinese economics are just better then the rest of the world so nobody can compete, also Russian gas.

>>109256178
>mutt thinks that is an essay
>immediately thinks about brown men having sex with white girls
mutt’s
law

>>109255698
>When are you coping retards going to accept that the reason for 3-4 years of constant layoffs (with no end in sight still) is due to AI replacing software engineers?
Because it's a narrative they pay you 5 rubles a day to push, and not what's happening in the real world. The AI story is simply an excuse.

You're really bad at this, you're basically begging for people to take your demoralization seriously. You even sound angry, like your efforts are being wasted.
What a stupid fucking tool.

>>109255714
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>>109255724
Yes.

I think it's just extra hard for programmers, because they'll have to go from their cushy $200k+ WFH jobs where they play video games all day to working 9-5 for minimum wage as a 40 year old.
It's a big jump in QoL, I would imagine a bunch might kill themselves

>>109257453
one of my friends from last job already commited suicide. he was relplaced by ai and then laid off. he had a wife and a 3 years old son by the way....

>>109257424
kek

is tech really that bad right now? i always just think you guys are being doomers

>>109257777
i've been out of job for 7 months right now.
still no light at the end of tunnel.

>>109257783
you're a developer? I would still think you need to have a real developer checking code and so forth, no?

>>109257792
yes, I was backend SWE.

>>109257792
>you need to have a real developer checking code and so forth, no

sometimes you still need to check what LLM have produced, but in reality it's quite rare and most of the code are pushed to prod without any human look at it.

>>109257821
crazy, i regretted not going into tech because you guys got paid so much better, instead i became a mechanical engineer.. but i guess i will stay it has been a stable career (and money isn't terrible). have you thought of going into another field like technical sales or something? i get job offers sometimes for being a sales engineer.

>>109255721
>have significant red flags
this is a problem when the list of red flags is not published, nor is it ever complete.

>>109257500
I know a guy who did the same, very similar position. His gf was a complete saint too, willing to support him for such a long time, no questions asked, but he still killed himself apparently because he felt like he’d let everyone down because he couldn’t support himself anymore so he just ended it one day. He literally had everything going for him except one day the market decided time for him to lose any hope for a job, and that was that.

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>>109255723

When are you coping retards going to accept that the reason for 3-4 years of constant layoffs (with no end in sight still) is due to a failing US economy that produces nothing of value?

>>109258109
>the reason for 3-4 years of constant layoffs (with no end in sight still) is due to a failing US economy that produces nothing of value?

the US is producing nothing since 1980s. all manufacturing went to asia many years ago.

why there were not massive layoffs in 2003-2022?
basically release of chat gpt in 2022 killed software engineering and you need to accept this fact.

>>109258192
>basically release of chat gpt in 2022 killed software engineering and you need to accept this fact.
i believe this, i'm not a programmer but i've "vibecoded" little applications for my work and i'm kind of amazed at the output, i can't imagine what someone who actually knows what they're doing can do with it.

>>109257951
Ok, but on /utwg/ you see a lot of posts along the lines of:
>I dropped out of HS and got a tech job during covid, where I did the bare minimum and got fired after taking a shit on my manager's desk. Last month I chatted with openclaw a bit and asked it to find a job for me. When I ask openclaw it says it made a CV for me and is sending it out, but so far got no responses