https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YbZlIGLptsLowell, a small city of 120,000 people in Massachusetts, has a BBD (Big Black Datacenter) in the middle of the city. Sure, plumes of smoke and giant whirling turbines are on 24/7 and the ground vibrates constantly, where you can even see puddles of water on the ground shake. But it creates dozens of local jobs, where you don't have to travel very far to get to.As big AI gets bigger and better, thousands of these will pop up across the country, starting from small towns, to small and then bigger cities.Why would any red-blooded and patriotic American hate this?
>>109260701https://www.youtube.com/v/Hq9NBA_bjPs
>>109260701Do datacenters actually have jobs outside of security guards, a janitor and one guy to turn a machine off and on if for some reason it can't be done remotely?
>>109260722No. And they ship in data center builders from other places as well as illegals. So it doesn't create jobs that way either.
Why? Becuase more isn't always better and in a lot of cases it's worse.We're showing the rest of the world that in order to compete we need all this. Is it not obvious why that's embarrassing?Think about it in terms of fuel instead of money.Would you brag to people that your car needs more fuel to get to the same destination?We're spending a lot of money in a lot of places just to accomplish this and it's not even obvious if it's worth doing.Meanwhile China is legitimately releasing things you can run on a home computer. To me that is incredibly embarrassing.Chinese hobbyists coming into the game late with way less resources and they end up solving the problem faster than us with less. And you think we should gloat? It's a good thing that we're going to need billions of dollars and several years, not to advance, but to catch up, and once we catch up we'll not only be behind again, but the principle still applies. We need multiple datacenters to do the same thing as an independent person.That's dog shit in terms of engineering. And I'm not even sure it makes sense from an economic perspective.
>>109260701Was there really no other place to build that monster than besides a bunch of homes?Never heard of an "industrial zone", or does that not exist in America?
>>109260782please pick something better to whine about
>>109260782The footprint was probably zoned commercial originally for something that was grandfathered in and was totally inoffensive.I'm sure the data center company dropped a few fat stacks on the local board to silence any dissention.
>>109260701If I was the the one in charge I would build those data centers around oceans, and build up desalination plants for water, everyone would win.
>>109260896>I would build those data centers around oceansSorry, the richest of people live along the coastline. They don't want these data centers anywhere near them. They should just plop these next to your home in the interior.
>>109260782There are no homes in that screencap, only apartments and townhouses.
>>109261312Then watch the video.
>>109260701>plumes of smoke and giant whirling turbines are on 24/7 and the ground vibrates constantly, where you can even see puddles of water on the ground shakeSo it's like having a fossil fuel burning power plant in town, except with less regulation and put right next to houses?>creates dozens of local jobsNot hundreds. Dozens.Maybe this is why?
>>109260896Exactly. They can do it right, and people wouldn't complain about it then. But it's slightly cheaper to shit on everyone, so they do that because we let them.>>109260921There's plenty of less desirable places along the coast where rich people don't live.
>>109260782god none of you had enough attention span to make it even 40 seconds into the video?The building was always there, it was a spaghetti factory before (which from further research has been there since 1939 so probably older than most of the buildings around it)i dont know when it was built. It just says they moved their pasta operation there in 1939, but it doesn't say if they purchased the building or if they built it. SO it could be even older. Well I guess maybe their a limit to how old a building that big is likely to be.>>109261389>Dozens.not even lol he says one dozen work there rn
>>109260701Lowell is a shithole
>>109260701You all realize this conversation is happening on data center hardware, right? Data center hate on this board of all places, on the Internet of all places, is about as retarded as it gets. It defines the bottom of the range.
>>109261599This. It's full of white people. Put a data center next to every single one of their houses.
>>109260722Older ones had a handful of tech jobs. Some were due to hardware being less reliable, so it needed people on site that could do that physically. Most were co-lo so many companies advertised 24/7 on-site support, meaning each company had their own set of guys waiting around in an equipment room for when something needed hands on attention. These newer facilities have more reliable hardware, better remote administration tools, and often are used by only one company. The small number of workers gets even smaller each generation of data center.
>>109261659>4chan>data center hardwarethis piece of shit website runs on a pentium 2 under hiroshimoot's desk and he has to phone up rapeape whenever he trips over a cable and needs it plugged back in
>>109261312>>109261312>There are no homes in that screencap, only...houses.yeah ok sick burn bro
>>109262208It’s hosted in front of cloudflare anon
>>109260701kill yourself shill
>>109260711>>109260701> its build first ask forgiveness later> manager is a obvious tribe membercoincidence
>>109260896they would dump the brine right back to the ocean killing marine life. They already do this shit everywhere. Too expansive they claim which is bullshit they save pennies.
>>109260782It was converted into a data center in 2015. Nimbytards only care today because they're a bunch of fearmongering boomers.
>>109260701Why can't we build apartments blocks on top of the data centers?2 birds 1 stone.
>>109262642I just had an idea, build them in cold regions like labrador and use their heat to heat the apartments, damn hire this man! (me)
>>109262640kek
>>109260701Jesus fucking christ, that's revolting. Reminds me of Blade Runner, the megacorp building looming over everything.
>>109262647Yes?I remember reading that a city in Europe use the extra heat from industries to heat up the pool of a school.Not a new concept.Now, if we ask our tech overlords if we can use what is basically waste (and a problem) for them they will charge a pretty coin for it.
>>109262674Why do Chinese shills hate having to wake up with a giant black box blocking the sun with a trillion cameras aiming at them?
>land for humans:)>land for data and economical prosperity:(
>>109261983I have a picture of the whitest man in Lowell
>>109260701>buy old factory>convert it to datacentre>Havana syndrome everyone within 20 miles with infrasound>property prices collapse>buy surrounding land for cheap to expand the datacentre>rinse, repeat>doesn't create any jobs aside from the handful of ex-IDF security guards>doesn't even create any real wealth since it's all just fake money passing hands and generating AI slop videos for TikTok>mfw Amerimutts tell me Europe is falling behind because we don't build this trash
>>109260701>Largest data center in Massachusetts>It's average sized.I guess it's no surprise that Massachusetts is in the lower half of state GDP growth.
But what if we make Datacenter look like gothic cathedrals?
>>109260701Is that really the biggest data center in Massachusetts?I wouldn't even call it medium-sized!
>>109265567they might actually be a great candidate for a style that doesnt even have a wikipedia page: STRIPPED GOTHIC. like stripped classicism but taking cues from gothic revival instead of classicism
>>109265567would be antisemitic they would never do it.
>>109265377This is how we win against China.
>>109265618That's a pretty small amount of GPUs for an average sized data center, I'd say?
Why aren’t data centers zoned as industrial?
>>109260726I love how according to /g/ I don't exist as someone employed at a datacenter.
>>109266268You aren’t even human
>>109260701doesn't benefit anyone
>>109260701Why does Lowell NEED a data center THAT close?What is going on in Lowell that it needs the shortest, no latency connections to le GPUs possible?I don't understand this.
>>109260896You sound very antisemitic.
>>109261659>You all realize this conversation is happening on data center hardware, right?You could run 4chan on an Asus NUC 16 without issues.
>>109266197Same way corporations are now treated as people and can vote as citizens.For some lucky reason, corporations can somehow alwayshave the exact number of voters to become the majority in any law making decision.A town of 100,000 people? The corporation coming in with exactly 100,001 votes saying it's a good thing to build a giant, earth pounding pile bunker in the middle of the city that pounds the ground every second 24/7.
>>109266398Because they can. Why should they build it somewhere empty?Let the goys deal with the real world.
>>109260701If they're so great, put them in gated neighborhoods too. I'm sure the rich will love them since they keep saying how great they are.
>>109260701right in the middle of a residential area. these (((guys))) are shameless.
>>109266398Because fuck you.
>>109261564Why is the AI running a spaghetti factory?
how convenient were being told anti AI sentiment is coming from China so we should allow these billionaire corpos to rape the land and give nothing in return because umm uhh ermmm cant let china win or something
>>109260701>small city>120,000What? You're clearly a cityfag that has never left it in your entire life.
>>109266430No you couldn’t, it’s a distributed global platform running behind cloudflare and serving tons of content. You might be able to load an offline version but you couldn’t serve a live version as it runs now without data centers being involved.
>Lowell, city, Middlesex county, northeastern Massachusetts, U.S. It lies at the junction of the Concord and Merrimack rivers, 25 miles (40 km) northwest of Boston. It was the country’s first planned industrial town.>Lowell, Massachusetts, is a vibrant, historically significant city of 120,000 people located 25 miles northwest of Boston. Known as the "Cradle of the American Industrial Revolution," it was America's first planned industrial city, later transforming into a major cultural and diverse huboh so it's literally meant to be a city where industrial buildings can be put up anwhere
>>109262640truly the only difference is the way they steal from you
>>109266268What is the age of the facility, how many technical staff are there, is it a roughly homogeneus facility or are you handling legacy hardware like POWER, SPARC, Itanium, ... Is there any reason your job couldn't be done remotely?Organic data centers tend to employ a fair number of people, but AI bullshit generally doesn't.
>>109267879>What is the age of the facilityMy site is maybe 15 years old.>how many technical staff are thereMaybe 150 being conservative, that's full-time employees. 200+ if you count contractors. These are people who actually touch hardware.>is it a roughly homogeneus facility or are you handling legacy hardware like POWER, SPARC, ItaniumIt's vast majority x86 not counting GPUs. There is some ARM based machines but x86 isn't going anywhere. Each building is different in that each cluster has different ratios of hardware. You might find one be filled mostly with ancient skylake machines and HDDs while others is all AI shit.>Is there any reason your job couldn't be done remotely?I feel as though this question was made with an assumption that hardware doesn't fail.It does, alot and you need to be there to actually change parts to diagnose a machine. Alot of the most basic things are automated on the software side like HDDs but not anything much more difficult and those still need hands.>Organic data centers tend to employ a fair number of people, but AI bullshit generally doesn't.With what I've experienced, maintaining "AI" infra is much more difficult than general compute. Things like inter-chip communication basically quadruple the amount of fiber connections. You're dealing with an entirely separate fabric on top of what your compute requires, it's all single mode BIDI shit at 800G which is finicky on its own cause none of the optics manufacturers know what the hell they are doing. You breath on these CFPD copper cables wrong and your either not getting 16 pcie lanes or lose 32GT/s to your host machine.
>>109268250>My site is maybe 15 years old.ok so your opinion doesn't count
>>109268352Still doesn't change the fact you need people to maintain this shit.
>Nobody really cares about their utilities exploding in price, terrible air quality and non-stop infrasound. It's all just a chinese psyops
other than being a giant unsightly black box in an otherwise quaint neighbourhood what is the problem with it? I assume the generator don't run 24/7 and are only there for backup
>>109267246To feed Will Smith
>>109268501the nerds have jobs and that's a problem
>>109262614That's what you're supposed to do retard. Almost all desalination plants dilute the brine a little and dump it back into the ocean.
>>109260782It's the other way around. The poor move into shitholes near industrial zones because they can't afford cars so they need jobs they can walk to, and then developers keep developing, home prices go up and the middle class move in, and then middle aged women go complain at town hall meetings and zoning changes to choke the industry out. The main reason why industry is dead in America is because of this kind of shit. It's the same as urbanites moving into the countryside and then complaining about gun noises and livestock noise and then getting noise ordinances implemented.
>>109268361Yeah but these new sites are designed to minimize human intervention as much as possible rather than satisfy an actual business case. Because there is no business case.
>>109267259Everything China does that’s bad we’re either now doing ourselves or we’re about to.
>>109268645>Yeah but these new sites are designed to minimize human intervention as much as possibleIt's the same hardware, you don't magically make it more reliable, at best your more fault tolerant but that's every hyperscale site. Unless you want to assert with likely no evidence these DCs are just full of degraded clusters e no one services.
>>109265567they did something like this in saginaw michigan actually
>>109266268>>109267879HAHAHAHAHA>>109268645HOLY FUCKING SHIT! HAHAHAHAHA>>109268735Oh man seriously don't even fucking bother explaing shit to these people. They are utterly fucking retarded and have fuck all idea about technology and anyone who has a sliver of doubt if the anti-AI crowd is filled with smart intelligent people this should put that doubt to bed. They are the most utterly retarded nigger retards you could ever fucking imagine. It's fucking hard to believe that we seriously have this level of moronic dumb fucks on /g/ who for WHATEVER reason are on a fucking TECHNOLOGY BOARD that cannot understand the most basic shit imaginable. Imagine being on /g/ in fucking 2026 being anti-AI/anti-data center. It really does blow my mind just how utterly fucking STUPID these people are.
>>109265567I'd rather have it be a cube.>>109266022you people are fucking retards. if anything they'd love this shit.
>>109267879>ORGANIC DATA CENTERS
>>109267259>rape the landLOL what fucking land and whos doing the raping of it? You think this land is being raped?
>>109263563> you have to support fed qe asset bubble> or youre chinese
>>109268823the only people who are against this are fucking chinks and retards who have no idea wtf a data center even is. the residence also should have bitched about if they gave a shit but I bet the majority of them are probably in some kind of contract to buy the houses above asking price or whatever they want.
>>109268795Organic meat = good for youBad soi fed goy meat = bad for youOrganic fruit = good for youBad goy fruit = bad for you with no nutrientsOrganic data centers = good for youBad microplastic goy data centers = bad for youIt's science.
>>109265567Needs a bunch of pickleball courts on the roof.
>>109269080>the residence also should have bitched about if they gave a shitThis. If Americans didn't want their government to stop unending wars, they should've been more vocal and voted against it. Same with the Patriot Act. Same with shutting down the NSA. Same with anything, really. Guess Americans love these things because they voted for it instead of against it.
>>109268795There are companies which naturally consolidate multiple branches into data centers because it makes sense. If you had a job you'd know they call it 'organic growth', or at least that was the buzzword like 10 years ago.
>>109269136>they should've voted harderleast stupid poster on /g/
>>109260722Nope, just various security postings outside of the occasional leet engineer posting.The initial influx of jobs are through contractors that travel the country and build warehouses. That provides a bit of an economic boom to smaller areas. Now you have 100s of people staying in hotels and going to fast food restaurants, gas stations, etc.Here, there's like two new hotels in construction and a myriad of fast food establishments being built. Out data center is still in construction, so I guess we'll see low cost hotel rooms.
>>109269136You know that America supported the Patriot Act right? You're engaging in historical revisionism. Same with the War on Terror. It had broad support and the military enjoyed a spike in enlistment that the defense budget couldn't keep up with. You must be some sort of retarded zoomer, right? Everyone back then was talking about enlisting to kill ragheads and practically foaming at the mouth to bomb muslim shitholes.
>>109265567Very AdMech, I like it.
>>109260782It's done this way because they can leech off the city's utilities. If they built out in the middle of nowhere, which is abundant in the US they would spend much, much more on water and power infrastructure. It shouldn't be legal in terms of zoning, but a few thousands dollars to the mayor and you can do whatever you want.
>>109262647This is why Trump wants Greenland.
>>109260722is this a bot comment, pretty sure I've seen it before
>>109265567Fastest way to burn them down in France
>>109260701bitch, are you even trying? that's just sad...
>>109269249Manufactured consent, my favourite type of consent. Right next to rape.
>>109261312Those are categories of homes
>>109260896I had that idea even before the Ai boom. There's heaps of places in Australia where the coastline is basically uninhabitable. That wouldn't be my design tho, what I'd do is dig tunnels below sea level and drop the heat exchangers straight in with no pumping necessary.
>>109260701What the fuck is this? Are the bot farms even trying anymore?
>>109260722dont forget the guy who replace broken hdds
>>109263563>memecoin grifters trying to push the narrative that anti-AI sentiment comes from foreign actors, and not from having this giant, constantly humming facility sucking the life out of your neighborhood two blocks away.Gotta protect my corpo-daddies. I am a right winger, I live to be a docile corporate whore.
>>109269136Look at the bot replying to itself.
If you’re a real patriot you’ll buy a house across the street from a data centrr
>>109260701lmao the portion about the backup generators near the end. Clearly they aren't running at all. There is no way to muffle a diesel or gas turbine that well.
>>109260701please provide details and proof of your current hom so we build 8 datacenters completely surrounding ituntil then it's all LARPenjoy
>>109269210Lmao fucking HAHAHAHAZ YOU are a fucking retard. Fuck off god damn what are you even doing here
>>109269921Awesome is the baby boomer mad his house in the rural county he bought to retire about to get raped? GOOD.
I can think of no act more patriotic then living beside a data center
>>109269136yes
>>109260722There are jobs in the hard drive datacenters
>>109271054And how often is this done? Never?
>>109270737Bombing a data center
>>109261564did the sphaghetti factory have 18 giant diesel generators powering it like this does?
>>109271736You can't compete with the utility company with diesel.They are backup generators.
>>109271661Once every 4-7 years.
>>109272073That's not a stable job.
American patriots should be fighting over the chance to live next to a glorious datacenter
Are people actually hosting open source AI for workloads? How can a mere individual compete with GPU and HPC gods from anthropic, Openai, TPUs at running hyper optimised LLM code.
>>109272071There are data centers all of the country doing that because the utility company can't get them enough juice fast enough
>restricts your AC usages and temps>builds more datacenters
>>109260782Every law and regulation conveniently gets bypassed for datacenters because the pantsshitter in chief (invested in aislop companies btw) decreed it a national security issue and terrorism to be against letting ai datacenters rape the environment, natural resources, and livable human spaces to death for the palantir surveillance state dystopian future.
>>109262614Yeah but think of the cool ultra salty sea monsters they could put there and T H R I V E
The ARE evil! And led by AI-dolf Hitler
>>109272278Climateology was always about gaslighting retail into not bidding against industry for the same resources.
>>109273171Stop making evil sound based holy shitUtterly sinful thread
>>109269921We LOVE protecting billionaires and corporations in this household, you filthy commie!
>>109272278>>109273173The AI data centers provide more GDP growth and shareholder value than you ever will, you fleshie. They need the electricity and cooling, you don't. Now stop taking showers and use candlelight for night time illumination to offset the climate action from those data centers.
>>109260896you've obviously never lived that close to the ocean, otherwise, you would know that the salt air is super corrosive. sure, the inside of the data center would be climate-controlled, but all of that shit outside would need to be replaced frequently.
>>109261659you're pretty fucking retarded if you think these new data centers are needed to host websites like 4chan.
>>109265567Kino as long as you could go inside a part of it and they had the required filigree and artistry of something like Asamkirche in Munich
>>109260896I wish some of you understood how retarded you are. Alas.
>>109273671Sounds like a weighed humanitarian kind of approach
>>109268250>My site is maybe 15 years old.immediately full of shit
>>109262605I tend to be fond of the term "Cohencidence".
>>109274049Companies have been consolidating operations into dedicated facilities for a lot longer than 15 years Anon.
>>1092736824chan uses cloudflare anon its running through many data centers at once to deliver content globally.
>>109274175AI Data Centers (which is what we're talking about) aren't older than 10 years.
>>109274247All the existing datacenters host AI GPUs and TPUs now anonIf anything pic related was much bigger than the majority of AI DCs before the boom.
>>109260701Something brilliant Trump did that I don't see anyone discuss is the fact that he didn't just approve all these datacenters, he also required Amazon/Google/Meta/MIcrosoft/OpenAI/xAI to build out the electricity infrastructure needed to power them, AND cut back regulations to get nuclear reactors built faster.So even if LLM demand ends up falling way short of what Sam and Dario are saying (which it obviously will) there's still a pretty huge benefit of getting better energy infrastructure, paid for largely by FAGMAN
>>109274247That's why everyone is telling boomer Anon his experience isn't relevant. Most 15yo data centers are ad-hoc collections of air cooled hardware with relatively low utilization and very maintenance intensive. This new automatic resource wasting shit is a different animal entirely.
>>109268776jewish or?
tranny jannies
You should be grateful if your neighborhood is blessed with a glorious datacenter
>>109260701Yes, legitimate concerns regarding the deprivation of water resources for people, the destruction of the environment, and the rising cost of electricity for the common man are clearly part of a disinformation campaign.
massholes deserve it
>>109268388i dont get the utilities partwhy would the data center influence what i pay
>>109260701>Birds eye view>It's actually a side viewFuck off
I find it hilarious that datacenters were mandated at a federal level to find or produce their own power so they aren’t using the local grid(cool great awesome), but in response to that due to the regulation environment the market’s solution is natural gas turbines which sound like literal jet engines. Comedy
>>109275190yeah they are. Look at that fucking shithole. Plus Chile giving a fuck about the environment? LMAO
>>109275537Because they eat as much electricity as they can, more than the local utility can deliver 24/7 in some cases, and dump all the heat into potable water.
>>109268776Whatever you say glow-nig. Don't you have a SSRI-addicted teenager quota to fulfill?
>>109260701Is it really any uglier than if they built another Walmart or Mcdonalds or monotone apartment complex?
>>109275748At least Walmart and McDonalds serves the community and doesn't cause a ton of noise and pollution.
>>109275878This. As fucked as they are, they still have a teleonomic function. Datamining centers can't claim that as they're built for people who treat life as a zero-sum game.
>>109275742HAHA YOU'RE SO RETARDED AND I'M DEFINITELY NOT A BOTLMAO
>>109275748None of those rattle the pavement 3 blocks away, so yes. Imagine owning, what I'm guessing is a $800k house, backed up on that shitheap.
>>109260701What will happen to those things when the AI fad passes?
>>109276204Government will buy some of them up below cost for mass surveillance. The rest will be giant crack den / mosquito hatchery.
>>109260722On average data centers have a total of 150 employees across all shifts. 150 total jobs for billions in tax breaks and free utilities. Hardly worth it.
>>109274365that's what I said
>>109263563I don't think it's a secret anymore that the American government prioritizes profit over people, so how exactly is chink propaganda changing anyone's mind? >B..BUT CHINA WILL BEAT US!!So? Let them be the early adopters so that everyone else can learn from their failures. This is technology that Americans are too jewish and morally corrupt to be at the forefront of.
>>109271054This is nothing. The shredders the hyperscalers use turn drives into sand.
>>109274356*blows up their gas powered generators on their way out*WHOOPS!
>>109260701>a small cityban all chinese and russians from US internet
>>109277961Yes, 120,000 people is considered a small city, you illiterate ESL niggermutt.
Lol itt absolutely no arguments antiAI fuckheads just one post never saying anything. This is how I know antidatacenter is fucking astroturfed
>>109277728why would you lie about something this trivial
>>109260701China > fascist GOP america
>>109279426THIS!!! We need MORE data centers!
>>109275742everyone is sick and tired of your fucking bullshit type faggot. your entire political world view has been an utter fucking failure.
>>109260701how does it benefit the locals in anyway?
>>109282886uh... jobs?alarm clock to wake up early?
>>109276204They’ll run game servers or social media websites like most data centers do today
>>109283792they will import people for those
>>109283805H1Bs still shop in grocery stores, go to restaurants, and otherwise contribute to the local economy.
>>109283828they don't actually they send the money back to india
>>109283873Does India send them back food and a house retard? They still have to buy shit and actually live in the US.
>>109275605>no rebuttalsI accept your surrender.
>>109260782It's really fine, the only issue with living near data centers is if they need to fall back on emergency diesel generator power, which is indeed loud and stinky. But if you don't live in a shithole, the datacenter can just buy their power 100% of the time like everyone else, and it actually LOWERS power costs because, gasp, big corporate customers are great clients, encourage buildout and end up subsidizing everyone else.
>>109260753>Would you brag to people that your car needs more fuel to get to the same destination?What are you some sort of commie
>>109285121Is this some kind of reddit speak? Just kill yourself faggot seriously. I said again that Chile is a shithole.
>>109268250Thanks for sharing. Your facility sounds much more like an old colo, where people bring their own servers/racks and you're renting out the space/electricity/bandwidth. I think this is pretty different from the single customer facility where it's uniform racks throughout and the biggest maintenance is managing the air conditioning.>maintaining "AI" infra is much more difficult than general compute. Things like inter-chip communication basically quadruple the amount of fiber connections. You're dealing with an entirely separate fabric on top of what your compute requires, it's all single mode BIDI shit at 800G which is finicky on its own cause none of the optics manufacturers know what the hell they are doing. You breath on these CFPD copper cables wrong and your either not getting 16 pcie lanes or lose 32GT/s to your host machine.This is novel and interesting
>>109282886Easier access to curry
>>109275605>>109285587Kast is a mistakeAnime is permanently banned on chilethe economic mafia only benefits for the richthey will never be successful even in the soccergod, chile is a nightmare of country.
>>109278348>>109277961>not even a millyOof populationlets when will they learn
>>109285779>>109278348It's a suburb of Boston.
>>109285664>Your facility sounds much more like an old colo,It's a hyperscale facility actually.
>>109260701>indian shills will convince you this is le goodthey won't actually kekwe're going to hit a point very soon where llms are compressed and quantized enough that they'll run on consumer hardware at which point these ewaste centers become completely unnecessarybut that wouldn't appease boomer shareholders now would it?
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