>>109272177
Itll be back after they stop loss leadering, and they start becomming really picky about what it lets you program

>>109272177
gather around everybody! reddit thread! aww yeahhh!

go back

not my problem

>web shits discover how useless their daycare jobs actually are and companies don't actually need 50 people perpetually tinkering on a generic site

he is right.

in my company in my team we had literally the same situation. it's all about generating slop right now. Not only code but all this "architecture" and "system design" shit too.

shitloads of useless ADRs, PDRs, TDRs - nobody read this shit. just a waste of tokens.

software engineering is completely dead right now. I don't know how anyone can call such a mess "engineering". It's generating slop, nothing more. Fuck this industry.

>>109272177
And it's comfy as fuck.

>>109272408
the next step is when the bosses realise all the extra slop doesn't make any more money than usual and fire 2/3'rds of the staff and go back to the old humanslop levels

>>109272389
lol you're to be that reddit poster soon

>>109272177
>webshit
no shit

>>109272436
>the next step is when the bosses realise all the extra slop doesn't make any more money than usual and fire 2/3'rds of the staff and go back to the old humanslop levels

our bosses already fired ~40% of company during last 2 years...

>>109272446
my friend from university work on database engine (written in C++) and all their team are full on vibeslopping with claude code

>>109272447
lol and the models were basically useless until ~8 months ago.
i don't think people really understand what's coming.

>>109272456
and I can guarantee you with 100% certainty that they produce dogshit code

>>109272467
Can you explain what you think is coming besides the vagueposting?

>>109272543
Big things dude *inhales* biiiig things

>>109272543
the models can already augment workers and increase their output substantially - 2x productivity is not a crazy number imo
there's this idea that the increase in productivity will lead to more economic activity and all the output will be absorbed by the economy somehow
i don't buy that - i think a lot of the productivity increase is happening in fields that are pretty mature - where demand can't jump 2x over a few months
so if you run a firm and your workers are making 2x more, but you're still just selling 1.1x - what's the rational thing to do to make more money?

>>109272510
I know. It's opensource project, but my friend working at corporation that maintaing this project. I've watched their PRs and commits. Literally every pull request now is somewhat +30245 -12043 lines
All code is written by agents since january 2026. All pull requests are reviewed mostly by agents, humanoids usually don't look at it.

Is this sustainable? Don't know. But I will refuse their database in my own projects...

>>109272177
Total AI Chad victory
All Snailcats soon will either be homeless or biofuel

>webjeets
every time

>>109272579
yep, that's true

for example if devs in Airbnb started producing 10x more code it doesn't mean tomorrow there will be 10x people willing to rent a room via Airbnb.

the same with Uber.

>>109272609
It means airbnb will expand aggressively and will need more coders

>>109272609
Why is nobody considering the quality factor?
they might actually lose customers because their AI slop services are now so bad people would rather use something else

>>109272408
Waaa waaaa I have to sit in an AC’d office collecting retirement and barely moving all day my life is so hard

>>109272645
no one cares and there is no alternative anyways because everything is slopped now

>>109272510
>they produce dogshit code
the real blackpill is that the executives don't give a shit. they never cared in the first place whether your code was "good" or not, and they don't care now. they do not give a fuck about the "quality" of the codebase they are paying you to write. they could go out of business tomorrow and they'll just buy another business. they do not care

oh no i'm so demoralized now

>>109272655
True, the whole society is filled with shit top to bottom and not actually worth participating in anyway.

>>109272645
it's been about 6-7 months since people started going all in on this stuff and there's no majorly noticeable degradation imo. people will meme about msft but they were fucking up good and plenty before the slopocalypse
and the models are better now than they were back then
the idea that things will degrade, leading to a software company imploding is fantasy at this point imo

>>109272662
You will be at the receiving end of their decisions ultimately, because all products and services available to you in life are going to be dogshit. Enjoy.

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>>109272677
>majorly noticeable degradation

>>109272677
>there's no majorly noticeable degradation imo
everything is worse and shittier now, idk what you're coping about

>>109272191
They'll eventually find out about local llms

>>109272677
>no majorly noticeable degradation imo
Except everything online is now pure shit. Other than that no noticeable degradation yeah.

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ai is the only reason i get anything done during this shitty ass heatwave
>wake up at 8am
>already 30c
>tell hermes to do the needful
>it shits out code at lightspeed
>it reviews code at lightspeed
>it is more diligent than most coworkers
it is so over

>>109272683
>>109272686
>>109272701
not really tb h.
it's about the same as it was - i.e. shit.
i think you're just being girls about it.

>>109272662
>the real blackpill is that the executives don't give a shit.
investors never cared but some people at the companies making the produts have to otherwise nothing is ever getting done, ai or not.
>they never cared in the first place whether your code was "good" or not, and they don't care now
ibm and the gang are hiring back after the AI fiasco, we can't yet replace skilled workers (webshitters aren't skilled workers, middel schoolers have been able to write production-ready code in js for decades)
>they do not give a fuck about the "quality" of the codebase they are paying you to write.
it's not about quality, it's about producing working code.
current-gen models are very bad at answering and solving problems by themselves, if you aren't on htier back 24/7 it will never ever produce code that does what you want.
they're currently only useful for senior devs who know what they're doing, we're nowhere near the mass job extinction event some morons are talking about, especially now that models are starting to cost more than human employees, as expected, retards who fired most of their humans deserve bankruptcy.

>>109272717
It was slow drip shit before but now with AI it's like a constant flood of diarhea.
I am genuinely considering dropping out of society and watching it rapidly devolve into a lake of piss and shit from a safe distance.

>>109272717
>be shitjeet dicksuck
>ignore reality

>>109272177
Yep. And this is sad.
AI killed software engineering completely. There's no software engineers anymore. You either just review sloppy PRs and wait your layoff or you are switching to PM, business analyst and other product-related roles and do everything "technical" with claude code.

Basically all engineering is gone. People don't pay attention to technical details anymore. All you do is trying to understand what business want or how to imporove product and then just ask claude code to do it. That's all.

So yes programming is dead. I also don't know why people still doing CS degress, computer science is a meme like gender studies. AI killed CS too.

it's mostly select few desperate slop companies that abandoned all standards. Extremely common in india. Their whole business model was being cheap and fast, but now they went full retarded. While llm's can code with given prompts, the engineering and architecture decisions they make are fucking trash.

They will make garbage, ruin company brand and make them go bust. Reality is, when market gets saturated with sloppers and there's too many choices, informed enterprise clients will choose the best option - cheap but with decent enough quality not to compromise their business.

>>109272738
>>109272742
i don't really feel it tb h. i guess npm having a new worm every other day is maybe the exception, but that seemed inevitable - probably gets worse for a bit after the chinese models catch up.
but like using software day-to-day? i don't really feel it

>>109272177
Ah yes, Management learnt that AI can deliver code 10x quicker so expect projects to be delivered 10x faster.
They literally do not care (well, truthfully they never have) if something falls apart in the real world, they just want to impress people enough to make a sale so a glorified rinky demo is all people are getting, with no real testing or anything.

>>109272735
>ibm and the gang are hiring back after the AI fiasco
source? no one is hiring back right now. there's still some small hiring (mostly in AI startups) but new positions disappeared massively.

layoff today means that you are forced out of industry. no way back. no jobs.

>>109272758
You dont feel anything because you are a lower form of life, like animals.

>>109272177
>be me
>early AI adopter
>went from a /utwg/ loser to dev->architect->tech lead in the span of a year
>got rid of all luddites of the company
Life is good

>>109272679
that won't affect me because i'm not a consumer of goods or services

>>109272766
>then i woke up in my moms basement and remembered that i'm still a loser.

>>109272756
>it's mostly select few desperate slop companies that abandoned all standards. Extremely common in india

Nah, it's everywhere right now.
US, EU, Russia, China, Korea, Japan, India, Latam, Africa - there's almost no companies that still keep standards in the world. It's just all about slop and babysitting AI.

>>109272765
i dunno, mang - like give me some examples of how your interactions with software have gotten meaningfully worse in the last 6 months

>>109272782
you can still sort of maintain quality while babysitting ai. I'm referring more to retards who try to vibeslop everything for production.

>>109272774
He wishes his life was this good.
He's a brown smelly indian working for a shill farm for 5c an hour.

>>109272748
This.
The idea of starting a CS or SE degree now is laughable.
The knowledge you gain in those degrees will be worth 0 by the time you graduate.
I am indeed just waiting to be laid off at this point.
What's the escape?
Become some kind of "product guy"?
What's the realistic route to that?

>>109272177
The same thing happened in academia.
Now any macaque can generate scientific articles in huge numbers, so the workload for researchers at institutes and R&D has also increased exponentially.
Now, almost all scientific articles are generated by AI in one way or another.
Top journals are practically asking for logs of your interactions with AI agents.
And most journals require disclosure of where and how AI is used.

AI has literally buried all intellectual professions, or will very soon.

idk if you fags are just paid shills to doomer everyone up or just working at some slop factories making react dashboards all day long, but that's not my experience at all lol.
it'd be pretty hard to include full automation at my work, lotsa things are ambiguous and need creative solutions that ai can't provide without a lot of work that nullifies many gains in speed. And it's still webdev technically lol, not some embedded engineering albeit quite heavy in legal/backend processes.

>>109272774
>>109272797
Lol keep coping, I won bigly. Keep being dumb losers

>>109272856
>and then everyone stood up and clapped

>>109272784
Every single online platform i visit nowadays is full of bugs to the point where it fails to do the most basic flows it was designed for.
Just yesterday I was trying to report a fault for my washing machine and the company's official submit form crapped itself.

Since anthropic claude apparently has captive audience what stops them from simply increasing prices?

>>109272882
>apparently has captive audience
they don't

>>109272882
they didn't ipo yet

>>109272882
codex is literally on par with claude code.
If they set x2 prices everyone will switch to codex. Or chinese models.

I don't see the problem getting paid hundreds of thousands to type shit into claude code

>>109272881
eh, i've felt that way about things for a few years now tb h. for me the cause of it just platform holders just tinkering with shit that already works all the time.

>>109272981
Does that sound like a job that's worth hundreds of thousands of dollars? The next step, assuming you don't get fired, is your employer realizing that the work you're doing is no longer worth the salary you're being paid, and adjusting it accordingly.

The crash cannot happen soon enough. I'll be there to witness it.
Still writing all my side projects with hand. I'll not be using slop code or slopdex.

>>109273074
Yeh but everyone gets fired or laid off at some point. Using Claude until it happens doesn't seem too bad compared to the previous.

>>109273125
Based. I would pay for your software.
Never going to pay for something produced with LLMs.

>>109272981
snailcats hate it because their trans brains are incapable of that

>>109272683
>>109272686
>>109272701
That anon is right. In most software there's no noticeable degradation due to LLMs. Windows went to shit with the release of Windows 8 in 2012, long before LLMs. Reddit went to shit in 2018. GitHub started going to shit not long after the Microsoft acquisition. In most cases, the rot set in before LLMs became usable, so it can't be blamed on LLMs. If anything, the biggest cause is mobile devices rivaling and then overtaking desktops and laptops.

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>>109272446
>>109272510
>>109272790
>I'm referring more to retards who try to vibeslop everything for production

>>109273322
>Never going to pay for something produced with LLMs

Kek. Do you understand that even database engines are vibeslopped now?
Good example: Clickhouse. One of the most popular OLAP. Last 6 month everything is done there by agents. It's not even babysitting AI, it's autonomous software development without humans. Agents create tickets, agents write code, agents do testing, agents do review, agents create builds, images, etc. No people involved.

Software engineering are completely dead at this moment. Probably other "engineering" like MechEng or ElectricalEng will be automated by agents in next 5-7 years too.

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I'm working on my final project. Knowing it's both the last and the grandest gives me more motivation to finish it.

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>>109273385
Programming skills literally became obsolete in the beginning of 2026.

>>109273385
>Do you understand that even database engines are vibeslopped now?
Yes and I am not paying for it.
If you want my money make something of quality.

>>109272766
at least make your larp believable

>>109272735
>webshitters aren't skilled workers
why you gotta do me like that :(

>>109273447
Not only webshitters but C++ devs too >>109273385

>>109273447
He is just coping because every relevant app other than the OS and vidya is now web based.
Pretty soon games will run in browsers only too.

webslop was already a slop back then:

- Reactjs/Vue/Nest/Jest/Best/etc was a modern slop

- Wordpress/Larabel/etc was an outdated justwerks slop

- Shopify/Gutentag was a nocoder slop

the slop was defined by big abstraction layers around the domain that were manged by IDE or sophisticated DE. AI is just a little drop and a little speedup, or, you say youre able to create an online store in a month?

>>109272766
PSA: If this is (You), your l33t tech lead position will be offshored to a Filipino Claudemonkey within the next 6 months. All your prompts and agent usage logs will be stored and used to improve the experience for these workers. Thank you for being such a great early adopter!

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>>109272177
>meatbag, you have 1999 PRs to review

>>109272177
>whines about how AI took his job while having heavily used it during his job
no sympathy

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>>109272591
This isn't a big story yet, i've never heard it mentioned, but since I'm a cheapass who doesn't use my phone much, I've always used a boomer prepaid cellphone plan, Tracfone.

Over the last year their entire service has completely imploded. Nothing works. All their app reviews have all been pissed off 1-star reviews. You can't buy minutes, you can't checkout add-ons, you call their jeet customer service and they can't do anything, they get the same errors, even beyond being inept flow-chart monkeys who don't know anything and can't help. They told me to go buy prepaid cards at walmart since their app was broken. Months later, I can finally add shit to the cart and when i try a check out, I start getting nonsensical database errors. The app and website was curryware before but now it's the same curryware multiplied x100 thanks to the productivity improvements of AI.

The whole thing is fucked. I can tell exactly what happened from my chair: they tried to rewrite it all in slop and totally fucked the whole thing. It hadn't been fixed yet, isn't getting fixed, and I'm moving to another service.

>>109272177
Has 4chan really sunk so low that we're linking to Reddit?

>>109273962
Believe it or not, most people do use multiple social media platforms.

>>109272177
ahhh thats so nice to read, I cant wait for the waves of mass suicides, its going to be wholesome

>>109273962
subhumans took over everywhere

>>109274027
the last ladder out of the permanent underclass is being pulled up and you're laughing

>>109272177
>Angluar
Stopped reading right there. Web frontend slop is not programming.

this thread is filled with baseddevs, you idiots have made the most unoptimized garbage websites that requires a NASA computer to load an image and now you talk about "engineering", you are the last creatures on earth to know any kind of engineering you fucking idiots, the only full stack you will learn from now on is the mcdonalds full stack, where you deserved to have worked at from the start

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>>109272177
>>109272408
Webshitters spent years dumbing down their profession, they turned programming into fetching shit from npm, updating your "tech stack", and adopting the newest framework. These people haven't seen actual code in years and will have a meltdown if they see a real pointer (not the tranny smart/managed pointer bullshit).

Now they reap what they have sowed, as it turns out even the AI can call npm install is_even*, and they're not needed anymore. Just go to the vibecoding general on this board and look for yourself: 99.9% are jeetlangs, nobody vibecodes C/Cpp or other low level languages. I can tell you I'm not feeling worried at all about my C++ job, not one bit (in fact we're actively hiring programmers at work, including juniors).


*yes that's a real package, it has a dependency (which in turn has a dependency), 600k downloads per week, and it STILL fucks up and jeets it using modulo.

>>109272698
havent tried it in awhile will you be able to get more than a react hook out of them before all the hardware is monopolized into data centers and you have stream compute?

>>109274177
>it STILL fucks up and jeets it using modulo.
Whats wrong with using mod to check if an integer is even or odd?

>>109274177
He's delusional. Get him to the infirmary.

>>109274287
It shows the "programmer" doesn't even know the basics, otherwise it should be obvious you just check the LSB. Fine for someone just starting out, not fine at all for an npm package used by over half a million people every week, and the fact that nobody in that ecosystem cares says it all.

I would also prefer an LLM to a webshitter.

>>109274177
>I can tell you I'm not feeling worried at all about my C++ job, not one bit (in fact we're actively hiring programmers at work, including juniors)

Have you seen what's going on at Clickhouse? I'm sure their product is much more complex than your shit.

Just look at this:
>>109273385
>>109273410

>>109274396
Don't know what Clickhouse is and don't care. There are countless random retard companies suiciding their products/services via AI, just look at Microsoft and their constant fuckups with Windows after forcing LLMs on their SWEs.
>I'm sure their product is much more complex than your shit.
Evidently not since they're vibecoding it. My company also has over a thousand employees, not counting the parent company, before you cope that we're a tiny startup or something.

>>109274328
Show your code so we can point out where it is wrong

>>109274422
>Don't know what Clickhouse is and don't care

Kek. Do you understand that you are low skilled nigger without any professional knowledge?

The only reason you still have a job is because you either work in defense where AI agents are banned, or on some legacy Qt desktop piece of shit app that nobody gives a fuck about, and your boss literally doesn't even know you exist. Do you even realize how limited you are, you humanoid?

The second your management starts fully utilizing AI agents, you’re getting fired, and you’ll spend the rest of your life begging in poverty.

>>109274177
>These people haven't seen actual code in years and will have a meltdown if they see a real pointer
this retard seems to have forgotten that C++ is actively moving away from pointers, really cool you can claim you have any idea of stack allocation in this garbage collected world, there's Rust slop now in the Linux kernel, you think you're safe? oh please

>>109272177
This guy needs to stop fucking using semicolons, holy shit.

>>109274460
>C++ is actively moving away from pointers
I thought it already happened 10 years ago. After release of C++11 in the beginning in 2010s everyone switched to smart pointers.

>>109274452
Show you what, how to properly write a is_odd? Literally just (n & 1) != 0
>>109274455
Damn that's a lot of seething. Isn't it about time you start posting AI generated cats, thirdie?
>you are low skilled nigger without any professional knowledge
Funny, since I'm not the one about to be replaced with a up-jumped token predictor.
>>109274460
If you ever worked in a real codebase you'd know that what's been added to C++ is not what actual codebases use. Also that wasn't the point anyway, I've never met a C++ programmer who was scared of pointers or didn't know how they worked, even if they used smart pointers by default. Webshitters, on the other hand...

>>109274540
put it into godbolt, see the same machine code getting generated

>>109274624
>just let the compiler fix your code
Yes, compilers nowadays fix a lot of things for mediocre programmers. You could also ask any AI since GPT-2 and it would tell you to check the LSB. That doesn't diminish the fact that reaching for modulo shows you do not know how computers actually work, and more importantly you don't have the mindset.

The webshitter bubble is just being popped by the AI bubble, that's all. It was never going to last forever.

>>109272177
>WAAAH I'm being forced to use a tractor to harvest 1000x the food for a tenth of the effort, WAAAH I can't till and slave away manually, WAAAH
Owari da for luddites

>>109274540
>I've never met a C++ programmer who was scared of pointers or didn't know how they worked
and you assume just because "webshitters" sometimes happen to come from a cesspit like India where they do 6 week workshops and call it good, that the entire web dev scene is in the dark when it comes to memory allocation, what a change by reference means (your dear dear pointers nobody gives a fuck about), garbage collector implications, potential call stack overflows and math operations in order to tackle performance issues? there was more functional programming in js before any of this shit ended up in C++, oh great you have object oriented code? who the fuck doesn't, and it's all garbage too, I'd love to go back to working in C away from dumb motherfuckers like you and the average poser programmer, but unfortunately web shit is all that exists in the job market nowadays and most projects? they fucking suck, you take what you get or become a farmer and god knows I'd rather do the latter nowadays

>>109272177
It's a Wild West phase rn. Going forward, sustainable workflows will be established eventually. For surviving companies, anyway.

>>109272177
>webslopper
Opinion discarded.

>>109273385
>. Last 6 month everything is done there by agents. It's not even babysitting AI, it's autonomous software development without humans
i've looked into it cuz it was interesting but this guys blog contradicts what you're saying though?
https://clickhouse.com/blog/agentic-coding#usage-scenarios-at-clickhouse
>We don't allow unreviewed code in the main ClickHouse codebase. But we have a lot of vibe-coded internal tools and small applications. Anything with limited security and infrastructure exposure is a valid target for vibe-coding.

>>109274899
He's a retarded Bosnian who posts AI slop cats (you've probably seen a snailcat or buffcat around). Probably butthurt he was too stupid to learn programming, so now he keeps fantasizing about programming becoming obsolete as revenge.

>>109274984
it's pretty sad if it's real

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>>109273910
>bun

>>109275031
>>>109259734
He's pretty easy to spot, any "coders are trans" or "codetrans" are almost guaranteed to be him.

>>109275040
maybe time to add codetrans to my wordfilters as well

>>109274822
>sustainable workflows will be established eventually
um
these sustainable workflows
will they involve humans?
people who get paid?
for doing jobs?

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>>109274540

>>109273788
>>109273420
luddite sour grapes

>>109274540
if it is your internal api and you know exactly the range of integers and that it wont be an issue go ahead
but it is pretty bad as a general case solution for divisibility by 2

>>109274662
>why does the checkout page display a negative number, it should just add up the positions, what is happening, we are losing money
>you see, relying on the binary representation of floating point numbers, we save processing time by adding sufficiently small integer prices by reinterpreting the floating point number representing the total as an integer and adding the shifted integer to it, bypassing the fpu. we just shifted it too far and now the sign bit of the total is negative
>oh ok

I'm cooming and you're dooming

>>109272177
>anon works in yet another company that produce nothing and where 90% of the workforce is jeets.

I'm dooming while you're cooming
we're both using ai

>>109272177
Everything sounds like skill issues to me

>>109272759
This

>>109273955
huh, interesting. my family uses tracfone too and i noticed the app is glitchy on all our phones. i was wondering if it was just me

>>109274984
>>109275040
mindbroken
we bosnianGODS won
codetransexuals lost

>>109274540
>Literally just (n & 1) != 0
>This is more correct than (n % 2) somehow
Please stop programming in C. Checking the LSB does not work for negative numbers in 1s complement integer representations that C and Cpp do support.

>>109274540
>>109278051
Also, the library you're talking about is in js, a language famous for having no native integer types. All numbers are represented in double precision floating point numbers, so your bit trick wouldn't work anyway.

Don't care, still getting into CS with my 130 IQ and bottom 1% neuroticism score. Thank you vibesloppers for setting up all the future shit I'll get paid to fix.

You're dead too since you can't express your own thoughts in writing OP.

>>109274452
If say you were BTFO pretty decisively and you should probably kill yourself.
For reference check the posts listed below.
>>109275080
>>109278051
>>109278075

>>109278138
>If say you were BTFO pretty decisively
what?

>>109278051
>>109278075
>>109278138
So what, your argument is that a shitty webslopper language is indeed shitty?

Yeah, thanks but everyone already knew this. I don't see how this isn't just more evidence that the entire ecosystem is dogshit, nobody claimed webshitters are bad but the languages they use are good.

>>109272389
Ultimately programming is mostly a knowledge job. There's some element of creativity or strategic planning for high level projects, but most projects are simple trash that just needs someone who understands the syntax. Knowledge-based jobs have been obliterated by information technology in general, AI is just the same but 10x more intense, programming is just the most visible because software devs are vocal on the internet.

Whatever, I expect to get paid even more to fix the shit that vibesloppers create. I'm waiting 2 more years.

>>109278190
The first of the posts you're linking literally tells you why checking LSB is less correct in C, moron.

>>109274177
>I'm not feeling worried at all about my C++ job
Lol, the clock is ticking. I hope you can code an OS from scratch because Claude can do that easily, and not just Fable which is 2x better, but Opus 4.6 could do it.

>>109278291
Delusional.

>>109278274
The first of the posts is just nitpicking trivia that will never matter in real life. Tell me what platforms you'll encounter one's complement on. Go on, look it up (or ask an LLM). It's a classic retard "gotcha", pulling out extreme edge cases that he thinks make him look knowledgeable. That's why I wasn't giving it any attention, attention is precisely what that kind of nocoder loves.

Also C++20 mandates two's complement, which should tell you enough about how unlikely you are to meet one's complement considering the retards in the C++ committee would sooner wreck the language than drop support for some ancient shitbox from 2003.

>>109278051
C++ has been two's complement only since C++20 and C since C23.

>>109278342
So, you can start a chain of criticism by attempting to point out that a certain library written in a certain language, which doesn't even support native integer types, uses a method not relying on bit representations, and that's somehow a bad thing but if anyone else points out that fact, in addition to another that your solution is not even standard compliant in C and most standards of cpp(something you had to look up after it had been pointed out to you), that's them nitpicking?

You should stop writing C programs before you fuck up something with your retarded ignorance of standard compliance.
t. Bigger C-nile and Luddite than (You)

>>109273470
>Pretty soon games will run in browsers only too.
The slop games of the 00s were browser-based already.

>>109272467
Idiot take. ChatGPT was giving me usable code back in 2023 and hasn’t changed much since.

>>109272177
its not dead it will just be monopolized like everything in cuckmurika the people will grow dumber and models will have more data, in 10 years programming will be done with just models, imagine the slop and dumb society that turned into idiocracy

>>109272177
maybe just dont work for shit companies? the boomers in these companies will realise how awful doing this is is a year or two when the quality of their software turns to shit and become unmaintainable

For every 1 feature you implement, simply:
- Fix 2 bugs
- Reduce and simplify the lines of code somewhere in your codebase

It's pretty obvious, AI accelerates the notion that "adding = lowers the quality of your codebase". Therefore just spend some extra time increasing the quality of your codebase. Boom, it's no longer slop.

>>109278435
that would slow down development. I'm sorry but boss wants 10x more features right now.

>>109278409
Every company does this because you, as a fucking user, don't have any fucking patience

>>109278456
ai use is encouraged at my company but as help for devs not to do entire development tasks. not all companies are shit

>>109278359
One's complement isn't a factor unless you work on fucking UNIVAC machines or something, it's a complete non-issue. Also you're really hyper-focusing on C despite me saying I work with C++, but I get why because it gives your argument a (very narrow and slippery) ledge to stand on. However even in C one's complement literally does not matter unless you're working on museum pieces.
>not even standard compliant in C and most standards of cpp
Have you EVER worked a real job programming these languages? Standard compliance is factored into decisions once in a blue moon, especially when it's for shit like this. Every single C++ codebase I've worked with has used the LSB, not a single one ever had a problem with it, because how many programs do you know that ship to both modern machines and stuff from the 70s?
>(something you had to look up after it had been pointed out to you)
Yeah I don't have the standards memorized, especially not for retarded shit like one/two's complement which will never be encountered in real life. I actually work with this shit, I don't read trivia books about it.

You're right though, I completely forgot about JS using floats, but that's a perfect example that strengthens my argument that webshittery has been a race to the bottom, so thanks.

>>109272177
Harder to audit code when thousands of lines are added and Chinese/Israeli payloads make their way into the foundation or updates.

>>109272467
Models haven't really felt like they've changed much in the last ~1 year.
But the infrastructure around them has changed, like the agentic coding infra these days.

software development was always a gay and retarded career.

>>109272177
Must be working with some real bottom of the barrel trash.

>>109272645
You mean in the same way how most of humanity utterly rejected Windows 11?
Ah yes, never happened.

>>109274984
>he was too stupid to learn programming, so now he keeps fantasizing about programming becoming obsolete as revenge.
I've seen many such cases. Why is it specifically programming that's targeted by such people?

You guys actually let AI commit to your codebase directly? I recently tried my Gemini Pro subscription at work and the code it spat out needed a lot of editing to reach a decent level of quality. I would never give the chatbot direct access.

>>109272510
If it works and people dont complain and it makes money then no one cares.

>>109272191
Yeah a lot of the bs we're seeing now is because of loss leadering. Once it's done, things will settle back down.

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>>109272677
>no majorly noticeable degradation
Are you retarded?

>>109278692
only intelligent post here

>>109281518
I guess programming is a natural fit for autistic retards since you just need to sit in front of your PC alone (well, until you work professionally anyway). However autistic retard does not always correlate with high (or even medium, especially when you consider it's a fucking Bosnian) intelligence so not everyone can do it.

Autism and lack of social skills plus lack of intelligence to get into programming made for a bitter Bosnian retard who expresses his bitterness in a very autistic and obsessive way.

>>109281900
Yes and no. I let it do edits sometimes, usually small contained functions with known scope, and I let it fix small stuff in code review. I do not let it handle big features or even just whole classes, I've found it cannot handle the engineering part, just the programming part.

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>>109274670
What website has become 1000x better?

It seems to be the same level of quality if not worse, but also it now breaks more often, and has 50000 new lines of redundant code that seems to be doing fuck all except making memory on your browser go out of control

Where are all the benefits for this mass increase of work?

>>109281900
Gemini models are really bad. They rank worse than some Chinese models.
GPT 5.5 was already extremely reliable with commits. But 5.6 sol is on a different level again and I let it just do.
Anthropic got reliable with Fable. Opus I would not trust as well.

All I have to do is to be comfy and wait for everything be irreversibly sloppified.
One day something very important will break and it takes down "everything" with it.

>>109282516
It's cloudflare
The answer is cloudflare which will cause everything to ack itself

>>109282544
microslop also has that potential
last time lots of banks had to manually boot every pc

>>109282180
>Anthropic got reliable with Fable. Opus I would not trust as well.
Opus 4.8 is pretty good on coding tasks, as long as you guide it along like you would a junior dev.
It's something of an idiot-savant in practice. Can arrive at decent solutions, even grand architecture on 8~9 out of 10 score, but then fumbles on the stupid-simple bits.

Fable sucks ass on code reviewing ability and will overconfidently flag things that aren't actually issues, because it isn't aware of the full context, isn't aware of its own unawareness, assumes it is fully aware, and will just pester you with its shit. ... at x5 Opus's fee.

Fable is comparatively SHIT for day-to-day work.

>>109282023
it's just in your head
it's about the same

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>>109272177
Although I am affected too (not coding), I am glad LLMs are destroying SWE. You fags had it way too good for the past decade
>no degree? no problem!
>no math base? nobody needs it bro!
>no exp? come here 100k rn
>6mo of experience? senior, easily, 300k/y with stock options
>while working for 1h/day in an AC'd office slurping smoothies
>or full remote laying on a beach on a tropical island
>"I turned down a 600k offer, the commute is 10 minutes longer"

>>109272177
I have zero love left for programming as a hobby or my job I just prompt slop and collect a paycheck

>>109281900
There are people who run it on bare metal as your user too. Pure insanity. This shit vibeslops an rm -rf and it is over.

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>>109283544
llms haven’t changed this.
they actually made degrees less valuable desu

>>109278435
This is the real future of programming
Spec-driven development, with guardrails put in place
All your time will be spent building out the guardrails so that PMs can go in and prompt for features

>owari da
it has just begun
thanks to AI I'm able to work 3 full time jobs at the same time, essentially becoming a millionaire in 3 years

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>>109281900
Yes. I push AI-generated code to prod without any human review.

>>109278051
i will NEVER stop using C

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Sucks that y'all invested your time and effort into a job that doesn't create anything of tangible value.

>>109272408
Same. Work for fortune 500. Everything is AI and fully encouraged. Forget high level programming
>Emails
>Meetings summaries
>Proposals
>Presentations
At the very least, everything is done with a prompt and copy paste. And it's encouraged. It's insane. This works for people with enough experience to know how to orchestrate these things with clearly defined goals, and can proof read and validate what the llms spit out. But wtf about everyone else?

>>109272467
lmao you are delusional and probably have money riding on there being some big breakthrough

>>109284904
Hey bud. Remind me how these big machines navigate through the sky.

>>109285002
With software coded by ai, not you.
Or with Boeing a bunch of Indians.
Coding in the US is dead

>>109285082
Wow, so AI always wrote the software?

>>109272177
Retard doesn't realize that the only jobs in the future will be entrepreneurs founding businesses.

>>109272748
>switching to PM
I want these bastards to feel pain. They keep prooompting and sending their slop to me like,

"Here is the solution -- laid out somply. The main task the devs should do is fix the pipeline. It's on them to do the leg work, your side is taken care of"

or some bullshit. I want to yell at them.

>reddit

>>109284014
Trans

>>109272191
>>109282001
this is not a good own, if the only thing going against AI is the fact it's not energy efficient then it's only a matter of time until that's solved by either making more nuclear power plants or more data centers or better GPUs

>>109282061
Holy trans seethe. You didn’t write a single argument.
Coding IS obsolete and there’s nothing you can do about it

>>109272849
>lotsa things are ambiguous and need creative solutions
like what? posting on basedbooru.com ?

>>109273074
>adjusting it accordingly.
do employers ever decrease salaries? I've never heard of that. maybe demotions, but not salary dents

>>109278138
based

>>109282180
my experience as well

in September 2025, I'd be fuming from how shitty the models were

in February with opus4.6 I was quite amazed and didn't get mad anymore

now if I ever get upset it's from my own stupidity when dealing with gpt 5.5 or higher

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>>109284904
>fly the immigrants in faster bro

>>109272177
Someone still needs to make sure the agent isn't being a retard (this is at least 50% of the time in my experience) and that's a lot of reading. But yeah that's not programming

>>109285201
>>109277375
Grandmas
Trump WON
Putin WON
buckbroken teen normalfags like you lost
>>109275155
Libtard low hanging fruit

Kernighan's Law still applies to AI models

>>109272177
I design by hand, but usually give it to AI to gloss over or break down into other formats before sharing (except here because fuck you /g/uys).

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>>109272769
>i'm not a consumer of goods or services
>uses web service to use 4chan, a service

>>109278197
If that's the case, modern programs wouldn't be riddled with bugs and bloat and salaries would be a lot lower.

>>109274328
lol you're an idiot. using modulo instead of bit-checking does not make someone not a programmer.

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>>109285206
>it's only a matter of time
Robots replacing most unskilled labor with repetetive tasks is also constrained by parts was also gated only by upfront+maintenance costs since like the 90s at the latest, yet you still need to hire lowlifes for burger flipping, and third worlders in virtually all but few factories that remained in the first world.

>>109274328
>you just check the LSB
Javascript doesn't have integers.