Bought OnePlus Buds Pro 3 and they sound great out of the box, even better with an EQ, but they come with bonkers 300-400ms latency on my phone. Tried Earfun Air Pro 4+ which supposedly sound pretty good but I personally didn't enjoy the tuning out of the box. They sound better after an EQ but I still don't really like them, plus the frequency response changes when you enable ANC like my WF1000XM4s did which is annoying. Also tried Liberty 4 NC and they do sound a little better than the Earfuns but still not as good as the OnePlus Buds Pro 3 and the transparency mode sucks.

What do I buy now? All I care about is audio quality, ANC/transparency and battery life. I'm eyeballing Oppo/Realme earbuds but there's a million different models and I'll have to deal with AliExpress returns if I don't like something.

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Bow mortals.

Alas, the battery doesn't hold a charge anymore. Why are people spending so much money on PMP's? Are all the ~$35 options really that bad (the form factors are mostly fucked, sure, and the lack of physical buttons is retarded, yes)?
I just want something to take with me when I walk/run that isn't my brick of a phone. I'm just not an audiophile, I suppose.

>>109275633
>Why are people spending so much money on PMP's

i don't get why people are buying pmp at all, like can't you just use your phone?

>I just want something to take with me when I walk/run that isn't my brick of a phone
get a smaller phone?

>>109275555
What the fuck, why do most dacs have this retarded power saving feature that causes a 500 ms fade in when playing music? Buying a fucking dongle dac means playing russian roulette since the implementation is applied randomly by the companies, why does this happen? How can I know a dac won't have this shitty feature? I just don't even use the eq features, as of now I only know that the graveaudio DA06 is the only dac with a decent power output for planar iems that doesn't have this fade in problem. I want to listen to my music without gaps in the playback, i don't care about power saving.

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>>109275703
Also, people don't seem to fucking care about this, I can't find almost no discussion related to this problem aside from a few ASR threads that quickly devolve into nothing. You can go through some humiliation ritual on pc basically installing a service that will continually play some inaudible noise so your dac doesn't go into sleep mode, but for phones there is no such thing, FUCK this

/iemg/ Dogma Check
Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:

>Crinacle is not your priest.
Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.

>Harman and JM-1 ≠ perfect.
It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.

>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.
Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.

>Graphs are not sound.
They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.

>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.
Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.

>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.
If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.

>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.
Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.

>Loud posts =/= smart takes.
Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.


This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.

>>109275633
Why can't someone just clone the sansa clip? As far as functionality goes, it was perfect. Reliability wasnt great though. I went through 3 or 4 clip/clip+ while they were still offered sold new. I wouldn't get one used.

>>109275703
>>109275720
apple dongle

>>109275738
I never had any issues with mine and it still works perfectly, aside from the battery not holding a charge, but it's from 2008 and I only just found it after ~10 years.
Otherwise, the form factor and functionality are perfect.

>>109275750
It can't drive the artti t10 properly, it sounds too quiet, I have another dac with a 70mw output and makes the arttis sound nice but it has this shitty power saving feature.

>>109275703
change your system resolution to 16/192. see if the same issue happens. it's a common firmware/driver quirk. only after the device has been idle, that's classic hardware/firmware wake-up behavior.
in the case of ESS chips, the handbook reads:
>ES9018K2M has an entire Soft Start Settings register (Register 0x0E) devoted to what happens when audio begins or when the DAC acquires/loses lock. It includes:
>soft_start
>soft_start_on_lock
>mute_on_lock
>soft_start_time
>The soft-start time is programmable and determines how long the DAC ramps its output instead of instantly outputting audio

>>109275840
>only after the device has been idle
Yeah I checked on different devices and it's the dac, it happens when the dac has been idle for about 5 seconds or more, then it cuts off the first 500ms of audio, I settled for the graveaudio da06 for iems but I need something with more power for headpos, but I don't want to spend more than 50 buying a dac that will have this fade in problem. It's diabolical

>>109275854
best bet is to read the datasheet of the DAC chip in whatever it is you wanted to buy beforehand or see if any other impressions exist of people having the same problem with what you decide to buy next

>>109275728
>They don’t show staging, dynamics
everything is in the fr, including the soundstage, imaging or whatever other bullshit you can think of.

>>109275879
This is my biggest issue, no one talks about this, only old dacs with active review threads seem to have a couple of people talking about this issue if it's present.
People don't fucking care, I feel autistic, is it really that bad that I want my music to play entirely without any cuts? And when new dacs are released and someone reviews them they talk about all sort of unreal stuff except for the fade in issue, sometimes it's not even on the documentation. I might have to accept getting cucked by audio companies

Niggas who hate on big fat meaty bass don't understand music

>>109275921
like I said previously, change system resolution to 16/192 and see if the problem continues.

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>>109274980
Pretty much this
Hexa should have better vocals out of box
But smoother treble peaks should make Pure a better set to EQ
So just a tiny bit of EQ knowledge you should turn the Pure into a superior choice even for vocals
You should NOT get into this hobby if you never EQ

>>109275967
>You should NOT get into this hobby if you never EQ
gatekeeping like this is so fucking cringe dude

>>109275986
nta, i mean you can, you are just gonna waste a lot of money chasing curve you could just EQ.

the only reason i'd buy another iem is if it looks more comfortable in some ways or i think it looks cool and i got money to burn.

i kinda want to find some good open back iems though.

There is no "hobby" if you have to EQ. EQ any $2 shitbuds and hobby is solved.

>>109276031
>EQ any $2 shitbuds and hobby is solved.
don't take the bait, /iemg/

>>109276046
it's true though, as long as you got a good seal and reasonably low thd, given enough effort you can EQ to sound pm as good as you want.

buying a new iem is basicaly paying for a new EQ profile, that's it.

poes law may be in effect again

Tip rolling is as important as EQ, wheres the iemg tip rolling guide

>>109276205
>find something comfortable
>EQ the changes
there you go

>>109276205
speaking of tips my dumb ass paid 13$ for one (1) pair of spinfit W1s, they are superior to my old C100s but ffs that price is outrageous

measure the total water output of your faucet to determine its mineral content. its all there

>>109276353
I'll add this to my collection of retarded analogies, thanks.

>anon can't stop posting the most braindead toddler level comparisons
and some anons wonder why xhe can't read lmao

>>109276353
>mineral content
yeah dumb faggot. unlike your retardation about techs or whatever you sure as fuck can measure mineral content

Daily reminder to redeem the bunny before if haven't already

>>109276352
Same but my first pair was too small so I had to buy another one. And I don't even use them anymore.

>>109276396
it preserves the logical point but it is way too crude, i can do better

>>109276433
what do you use instead? foams?

>>109276420
not by measuring liters/minute

>>109276456
measuring fr is equivalent to measuring water output and water content and temperature and everything

>>109276451
Final Audio Type E for comfort, then Dunu S&S or Tangzu Sancai narrow bore if I find the final audio tips making the sound too cramped on some iems

The correct transposition would be litres/cm3 since the quantity of "air" displaced by the transducer equates to sound quality or as /iemg/ would like to call it, techs

>>109276352
i kinda wonder how the w1 compare to the neo.
i got both in size S, i hope i won't have to buy SS as i've small earholes

>>109276456
see how fucking stupid you are?
what is "mineral content" an analogy for?

>>109276441
there is no logical point to be preserved, the only thing that matters is FR at the eardrum, there is nothing else, no magic or secret sauce.
and any iems can be EQ'd such that the FR at your eardrum is whatever desired target provided it has a reasonably low THD (ie anything that's not free airplane flatheads).

i'm sorry if you can't grasp that your "techs", soundstage, imaging etc are just another word for FR.

crazy how copper is the best material for water pipes and audio wires. techs are in the pipes

>>109276589
i'm pretty sure you could have literal horseshit cable and EQ away the FR as long as the response is still linear.

>>109276589
>>109276598
you know what, i actualy want to pass a signal through some horseshit now.

>>109276600
>horseshit interconnect
adds that subtle warmth and hint of realism to the music, notes feel "stickier," with natural decay

>>109276512
>there is nothing else
psychoacoustics

>>109276615
i live next to a staple in the swiss mountains.

is this an item you'd buy anon?
sealed 100% grassfed horseshit interconnects, for that premium country sound.

>>109276651
>psychoacoustics
ah yes, the iem sounds better because you sold your kidneys for it, good one anon.

>>109276504
What I left in yer mum the other day lololololololol

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>>109276651
>>109276658
horseshit interconnects are the new meta.
you can hear how well fed your horse was.

>>109276664
woah calm down, khokhol. I never said more money always means more sound.

>>109276686
meant to quote >>109276615

>>109276686
so basically there's no end to the shit talk and the science of it all is the psyop. FR=everything is kinda like the ice wall in flat earth theory

>>109276705
>FR=everything is kinda like the ice wall in flat earth theory
no because it's ture, see >>109276512

you could literaly tune a 20$ pos iem to sound exactly like the senheiser HE-1 if you spent enough time on the EQ or could FR both with a microphone next to your eardrum.

>>109276504
>>109276512
it's just a simple analogy to show that everything being measurable in principle doesnt mean a particular measurement measures everything/is exhaustive. mostly i just thought it useful for those here who have completely collapsed these two things. even if you'd never admit it in text (analogous to telling someone to pay attention) you speak as if you do

>>109276729
>it's just a simple analogy to show that everything being measurable in principle doesnt mean a particular measurement measures everything/is exhaustive
yes, but you cannot name a single thing the FR doesn't capture, there is literaly nothing more than FR at the eardrum.
>you speak as if you do
how so, i was having fun with the horseshit thing, it'd affect your FR so it'd be a fun gimmick to sell to retards.

what is up with asians and their inherent hatred of de-essers? fucking raping my ears everything i try to listen to one of their songs

>>109276600
wasn't there some blind test where audiopedophiles could not differentiate between expensive cables and dirt? something like that

>>109276729
you are stupid
do you think FR=everything is a fucking meme or something you imbicile?

>>109276834
i'm pretty sure it depends of the length and wetness, long enough and it'd affect the FR which could be heard.
but yes i'd not be surprised if a cm of very wet manure would not change things to audible levels.
man i should start a audio company realy, they'll buy anything.

>>109276815
yeah I noticed that too... I wonder what is it about...

>newfags don't know about female poison
this current crop is terribly low iq

>>109276867
no your posts are low iq

>>109276880
his posts are low EQ.

>>109275967
how did you get that JM-1 1db/OCT tilt to show up on squigle

>>109275920
everything is vibration bro, hold my beer while I eq reality to my preference

>>109277008
i'm sorry if you can't handle the truth.
all "technicalities" are literaly just FR, there is nothing more to it.

>FR is everything: decades of acoustic, electromechanical, psychoacoustic, and neuroscience research
>techs: forums
oh geez

>>109275771
just for fun I looked into my amazon purchase history for when I last bought sansa clip+
>SanDisk Sansa Clip+ 4 GB MP3 Player (Blue) Ordered on April 4, 2012
>SanDisk Sansa Clip+ 8 GB MP3 Player (Black) Ordered on February 28, 2011
>SanDisk Sansa Clip+ 4 GB MP3 Player (Blue) Ordered on May 14, 2014
Bought one or two non-plus versions at the local walgreens as well in probably 2007-2009.
IIRC, the headphone jack would usually start failing. Probably something fixable if you're handy. I also remember one just stopped working, but I was pretty hard on mine desu.

>>109277022
dude forget it, 10K$ iems produce magic particle that excites your eardrum like a horny bitch, cheap iems cannot replicate that magic.

>>109277044
It costs more, so it has to, and necessarily has to, be better.

>>109277066
i have a 200K$ iem to sell you, amazing technicalities i swear.

>>109277084
no thanks $2 shitbuds for me all I need is eq

>>109277089
$2 shitbuds generally have too high thd to be EQ able to target and don't produce some frequencies at all.

but maybe there's one that is good enough to eq lol

>>109277089
>>109277093
actualy i now want to find the cheapest pos that's decent enough to sound better than 500$ iems with eq lol

>>109277103
Most of the cheap KZ are good enough and you can find them for sub $5. I got multiple EDC Pros under $5 each.

>>109277109
dude if i'm gonna push the meme i need to find a sub 1$ iem with reasonable thd lol

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>>109277036
You madlad; mine is from 2008. You must have been wailing on those things, oh how I wished this one carried a charge.
Actually thinking about this one right now; all the other form factors are dumb.

if techs dont exist then why do some of my iems stage better than others?

$4.99 Storm I sleep
99¢ Storm real shit

>>109277127
because they have a different FR.
techs exist, they just are entirely in the FR.

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>>109277147
this sounds like the same way evangelicals talk.
>you just gotta believe!

>>109277182
you don't have to believe we already have proof that it's the case and it's basic physics anyway.

you are the one that's just like "you gotta believe" going against literaly all literature on the subject and physics.

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dude...everything is vibration...

>>109277191
not all litereature is AES papers and unpeer-reviewed Sean Olive gibber jabber.

>>109277199
sound literaly is though.

>>109277202
you cannot provide a single example or argument for anything not being in the FR. FR is literaly everything.

>>109277216
you're just like those religious nuts with such a narrow view on a topic

>>109277232
you are the one religiously believing that techs are magic and exist outside of FR.

literaly the only thing there is is how your eardrum vibrates, that's ALL there is.
anything else is magical thinking.

and no, some shinny driver or whatever audiophile scam won't change how your eardrum will vibrate without changing the FR.

>>109277245
>anything else is magical thinking.
you're really pearl clutching on this. the length you go to patronize innocent anons here and because extremely cancerous...tsk tsk. it's like this little domain of yours is all you have in life altogether

>everything is FR at the eardrum
>cannot measure FR at the eardrum reliably
that's peak science

>>109277254
it's not, but i'm having fun right now.
>>109277258
doesn't matter if it can't be measured reliably, it's still there.
and also, there are ways to do it.
lastly, we can literaly make some headphones sound like another, it's been done we know how to, it's not about the headphone price or quality or whatever berylium nonsense drivers.

>>109277277
>i'm having fun right now.
must be a rewarding job, being the POS toll troll

>>109277283
i'm literaly not even trolling, FR literaly is everything.
i'm sorry if it makes you mad or you can't understand the reasons why, try to think about it maybe you'll figure it out.

>>109277277
>and also, there are ways to do it.
any probe mic will introduce leakage ur dumbfuck
>lastly, we can literaly make some headphones sound like another, it's been done we know how to, it's not about the headphone price or quality or whatever berylium nonsense drivers.
we're talking about iems, saar... and even tho you're too stupid to realize isolation and openness are a factor too

>>109277298
>any probe mic will introduce leakage ur dumbfuck
doesn't matter, it has literaly been done with headphones and the probe at the ear entrance not eardrum, all that matter is that you can get the diff between your two headphones for your ear shape.

for iems you'd need one at the eardrum as you bypass the pinna, but the same applies, doesn't even matter if the microphone impacts the FR because of how close it is to the eardrum, you seriously underhestimate how tiny these can be.

>realize isolation and openness are a factor too
doesn't matter either, all they do is impact FR.
if you eq for it, it may change how it feels, but not how it'll sound.

>>109277309
>talking about the FR eardrum
>brings up EEP
you cannot measure iems at the eardrum, therefore you cannot replicate the FR, simple as
>it may change how it feels, but not how it'll sound.
perception is what matters, go read something like the ventriloquist effect instead of parroting outdated science

>>109277330
nta but measuring or not does not matter, the whole point is that EQ can be used to make your pos sound like anything
making it sound like another pos is beyond retardation, just make it sound better than anything on the market

>>109277337
>just make it sound better than anything on the market
with EQ alone? you're selling snakeoil

>>109277347
the whole point anon is trying to make is that if the only thing that matters is FR, then yes we can use EQ to make it sound like most things (excluding factors like occlusion),
whether we are able to measure it at the eardrum is a moot point anyways, because our ears are not perfect, and some deviations will not be heard.
making something sound like something else is just plain retarded

>>109277347
>you're selling snakeoil
dude, it's literaly free, learn2eq.
and yes, i can get 20$ pos + EQ to sound better than my 1500$ planar headphones without EQ, it's realy not that hard.
but that will only work with my ears, you could do it for yours.

the eardrum microphone setup is just a way to automate it, but you can also just do it by ear.

i kinda want to find the cheapest pos i can to prove the point, unless it doesn't produce some frequencies at all or has terrible THD, it can be EQ'd to sound better to you than anything else on the market.

>>109277330
>you cannot measure iems at the eardrum
that's false, have you been living in a cave?
>perception is what matters
thus my point that you can eq a pos to sound better to you than anything else on the market.

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I must remind them.

>>109277441
what are you trying to say?

>>109275555
Hahahah, AI art, chinks are so fucking cheap, i hope its like 5usd shitbud, nothing more

>>109275703
if u dont have it shit clicks when u change songs or settings. on my dap i even swaped stock music app for power amp to have that slight fade out fade in effect when change songs ect

>>109277103
>>109277117
you can get these things literally for FREE via aliexpress's bonuses and shit

>>109277258
you can't but I obviously can (with my ears)
next

>>109277616
true lol.
but it has to be a non aliexpress dependent thing, like if i can find a 1 or 2$ one i'd be happy, there are a bunch i'll try some cheap ass kz.

>>109277347
selling? EQ is literally FREE retard
meanwhile your retarded expensive pos with giga techs ARE snake oil.
what a fucking rube

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Chinks using AI in marketing materials (also faceplate feels like slightly modified AI), feels like iam getting fucked by jeets scammer on facebook trying to sell me shipdroped trash.
Why are they like that?

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>>109277853
he think he's going through grief for spending 2 kilobucks on some pos iems/headphones
he's between number 3 and 4

So the cheap $1 chink foam tips was a bust. Unlike the foams from 10 years ago they actually are memory foam today so that's a marked improvement.
Unfortunately the memory properties are gone after a couple weeks.

>>109275738
chinks can't be bothered to write working software
there have been countless players with a similar form factor. There have been none with usable software.

>jewtube recommended me a vid of shartur whining about listerner "ruining" asr
lol, lmao even
anyway recs for if i like tanchjim origin's vocal presentation but want something that does that even better?

>>109277942
EQ
crazy that you think anything can be possibly recommended with a vague request like that

>>109277942
bunny dsp

>>109277968
i want a vocal forward iem with natural sounding vocals (especially for female vocals), but with better imaging and details than the origin. price doesn't matter i make money
>>109277971
lol

>>109278068
honestly bullet style iems are my favorite, so much faster to put in.

>>109278091
so true sis i love plugs

people itt: you can EQ a $8 headphone to sound like a $5000 headphone

>>109277789
能骗就骗

Remember when iemg was talking about the latest pos of the week and not theory crafting audio science from midwits?

>>109278455
I'm panned all the way to the right so can't hear you

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>>109278455
latest pos of the week was AI generatedi
Its over, go home and use good headphones like HD6xx instead

EQ killed this hobby

>>109277853
>everyone who disagree with me is the same person.
you posted this when i posted in the previous thread too. kill yourself

Searching for posts that contain ‘EQ Storm’. 73 results found.

>>109278753
its him!
some retard who hasnt yet accepted storm and other flagships from before audio was solved will be downloadable to standardized platform iems soon. he probably owns storm himself and feels stupid for not just eq'ing

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>>109278753
it's only 1 and it's your post?

All this autistic arguing and Apple has killed 80% of the audiophiles with dsp.
All the growth is in people buying chick rebrands and 10% boomers spending 5k+ for fancy amps that are 5% better than a $8 dongle.

>>109279046
no such thing just buy $10 shitphones and eq bro

>>109278984
and same Apple has spawned next generation of tech retards that are arguing about bt codec, anc performance, next generation chips, firmware updates, companion apps ect.
They are like audiophiles but they are buying same stuff every year just because new ANC is 5% better instead of next wired chink shilled resin trash with random drivers stitched together because it has 1 more driver than previous generation of wired chink shilled resin trash with random drivers stitched together

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Anybody knows why the past year or so my iems seems to have ghost clicks that turn on the voice assistant. on android.

happens all the time on my zero blue 2, regardless of wether I use the usb to jack adapter or not. I've had to go back to my old wan'er since they don't seem to trigger it.

might as well drop a request advice since I want to get new ones:
- Under 100€
- all the time while commuting or pacing back and forth in my room for music, and to keep in bed while listening to asmr while sleeping
- mostly electronic music, dubstep or harder styles (https://youtu.be/BaKqzRHQpJk?t=251 or https://youtu.be/53-bb7WyAQM?t=96 are around the most agressive I'd push it I think)
- most comfortable fits I can recall are the truthear, especially the Hola. the zero red and blue2 were good as well, compared to the waner I feel back to where I have to jam them way too deep to hear the bass properly. at home I mostly use either speakers or the SennheiserHD600 while at my pc

>good headphone

HAHAHAHAHA its the headpos refugees shitting up this general after spending thousands on mud cans that are btfo by $20 pos

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>>109279086
thanks, testing right now with the Gate's cable and blue2. maybe there isn't a need yet to get new ones

...

nope, still happening. it also seems to have a repeating noise coming through my right ear, as if a very small engine was tryng to start. the ghost clicks keep happening... though tbf every iem I own has seen at least a year+ of daily use so I'm not expecting them to be fine.

my >>109279056 still stands as a request, if my next pair has issue while being new, I'll just chalk it up to being cause by android atp
>Under 100€
>all the time while commuting or pacing back and forth in my room for music, and to keep in bed while listening to asmr while sleeping
>mostly electronic music, dubstep or harder styles (https://youtu.be/BaKqzRHQpJk?t=251 or https://youtu.be/53-bb7WyAQM?t=96 are around the most agressive I'd push it I think)
>most comfortable fits I can recall are the truthear, especially the Hola. the zero red and blue2 were good as well, compared to the waner I feel back to where I have to jam them way too deep to hear the bass properly. at home I mostly use either speakers or the SennheiserHD600 while at my pc

>>109279104
Brown mined post, few months and u too will be eaten by flood of ai slop generals on this board.

>>109279056
ghost clicks are definitely not normal even after year+ of daily listen, it's likely your android.

>edm, dubstep, harder styles, asmr, comfort, senns at pc
i'd rec slightly V shaped iems with sub bass and slam but also not excessive treble to avoid ear rape, both for type of music you listen to and to contrast with your hd600. under 100 I'd go with budget iems like wan'er 2 bass edition, or any similar graphed budget iem with sub bass, maybe chu 2 bc it has a small shell and looks comfortable for sleeping

why does every fucking solution for using IEMs with your phone suck ass? every dongle/DAC/USB-C cable I've bought in the past 4 years has stopped working eventually, across 2 phones. either the connector goes bad and any bump in the road drops the connection, or I get noise through them, or they just randomly stop connecting to my laptop or phone and need to be unplugged/replugged 10+ times before they work again.
what I've tried:

Apple USB-C dongle (EU)
Dunu DTC-80
JCALLY JM6 Pro
Moondrop FreeDSP
Kiwi Ears Allegro Mini
a bunch of other recommended DACs and dongles from this general

why is a bluetooth headphone LITERALLY more stable than any of this?

>>109278673
They can accept that they can eq away their techs but for some reasons can't accept that they can be eq'd in lol.

>>109279175
Only brows think a 500$ iem sounds better than any other pos with eq.

>>109279380
Have you tried not being a careless ape? Using my VE Avani since March of 2022. Donglels will last forever if you don't willingly break them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRJEowwjVrA

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can we delete this in the OP from now on? No point reccing anything because 20 bucks pos is enough

>>109275629
Any help anons?

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>>109279892

thanks to earbuds my ears are not hurting. after years of closed back abuse I feel unchained.

I don't hear any bass though.

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still the best tws out there

>>109280028
what's your profession, foxzo?

>>109275555
any comfortable open back iems?

>>109280103
sharur > this fag

>>109279856
recc list should be edc pro + eq
can you imagine the amount of seething?

>>109278673
no matter how many times this is posted, it'll be incorrect every single time.

>>109280163
>edc pro + eq
dude there are even cheaper KZ pos, you could get hi fi for 3$ lol

it's all encoded in the squiggly line.

>>109280060
I normally use Letshuoer S12s but I need something for gym, work and recreational watching/listening purposes. OnePlus Buds Pro 3 was exactly what I wanted though there's a bug when pairing any OnePlus buds specifically with OnePlus 13 that completely fucks the latency which makes them unusable for anything involving lip sync. Chinks never fixed it, of course

>>109280285
it's not our fault you lack the comprehension of why that's the case, maybe you should learn something.

>>109280285
No matter how many times you say it's incorrect you'll never say why it's incorrect.

>>109280304
in the future there will be a handful of subdollar platform iems people can buy to eq from and dl presets to that only differ in ergonomics and pedophilic art

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Do you think she actually uses the FiiO SnowSky Echo Nano Retro Portable MP3 Player with Fingertip Scroll Wheel, 3.5mm Output, USB DAC, in-line Controls and DSD/FLAC Support (Black)?

>>109280457
No, she uses some $2 pos and eq

I LIKE THE TRUTHEAR HEXAS MORE THAN ANY OTHER IEM I'VE EVER TRIED

>>109280463
based

>>109280469
You actually don't

>>109280469
i wish the pure looked like the hexa.
you can eq it to sound the same anyway but hexa is harder to eq than pure.

>>109280475
I like a neutral signature because I have pure white skin. I've mixed with the Hexas in a pinch multiple times at work and got a better result than on monitors.

>>109280476
EQ my wiener

>>109280425
>>109280436
samefagging and larping as multiple anons won't save you

notice what he didn't say >>109280518

>>109280518
retard, we both laugh at you.

>>109280553
indeed, what a concession lol

>>109280469
Without eqing out the length mode resonance, it's impossible to like anything. Yes, I'm an armchair expert.

>>109280475
with an EQ iem doesn't matter, a 3$ pos can sound exactly like a 10k iem.

>>109279380
there are dacs with replaceable usb-c cables and/or bluetooth

>>109280686
but are there dacs with replaceable usb c port ??!

>>109280509
>EQ my wiener
too much distortion, can't be fixed.

How canjam niggas be listening to their headphones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOdoO-Fp6oY

>>109280457
as a sex toy? probably

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>first solves iems
>now solves dongle
what a based company holy...

>>109281406
man i realy should start a audio company seems so easy to get retards to give me money.

>>109280072
>find a comfy pos
>drill a hole
here's your open back iem sir

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THE FR GUY GOT BANNED LMAO

>>109281651
The driver itself has damping so not really.

>>109279666
I've never had this issue with 3.5mm cables

>>109281805
so? keep poking holes till it's open

>>109281803
5 more to go.

>>109281406
all they had to do was overuse fluff marketing terms like "enhanced battlefield awareness" and throw in PEQ software and noise cancellation, then watch numbers go up.
Balanced and rich audio for an immersive experience? fuckin sold

>>109281885
why not EQ them open

>>109282128
You can eq to sound open, not to feel open and i want to ear ambient noise.

>>109282272
so EQ can't fix everything after all ;(

>>109282417
It can fix everything regarding sound, but you won't eq comfort lol.

>>109275555
Maybe the techs are the FR(ens) we made along the way.

I propose we redefine techs to have nothing to do with FR, but the physical type, quantity, and quality of the drivers. So 1DD has less techs than Mega5-EST

>>109282680
>quality of the drivers
define shit like this first

>>109282703
nothing you could edit in REW if you tried.

>>109282680
as long as it's either/or it feels good to me

>>109281803
i didn't

>>109282680
>but the physical type, quantity, and quality of the drivers
why would it matter if it doesn't make it sound better, if that's how you define techs, then techs are not even worth talking about, completly irrelevant.

>>109281803
don't worry i'll tell you that FR=everything any day of the week instead

learn with precog. no BA and lower than $1k = bad techs

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pUCELfWO-G33u82H42J8G_WX1odnOYBJsBNbVskQVt8/edit?usp=sharing

>>109282868
>storm at the top
lmao, you could EQ a 3$ pos to sound better.

>>109281962
it's the non FR guys that should get banned thinking music is made out of magical balls.

the FR guy is really upset today

>>109282930
Plural and our numbers will keep on growing because it's the truth.
Maybe one day even yourself will be on this side.

>>109282965
two more weeks>>109280449
you must safeguard the truth here on iemg until the world is ready

>>109282740
>driver quality is nothing
Finally a real answer.

>>109283054
don't think anyone here is seeking answers from you scrub. we smokin khokhol packs daily while we listen to well-mixed audio with the amazing imaging our quality, well-implemented speakers provide.
feel free to have a drink and hang around, just don't touch anything.

>>109283085
>with the amazing imaging
that's just another word for FR bro.
i was legit disapointed when i found out some 20$ pos can be eq'd to sound better than my planar headphones.

now the only thing i care about is comfort.

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>>109275555
these are the cheapest ones i've found so far, i'll try to find eaven cheaper.
would be hilarious to get a 0.1$ iem to sound good lol

personally i think music sounds better on CDs

>>109283854
reminder that flac files rot on your hard drive over time.

>>109283854
CDs nuts.

I got my Tea Pros and they're just okay. I wish I got a Tea Pro SE instead. How can I salvage as much value from these?

>>109284279
>How can I salvage as much value from these?
by listening to them as much as possible until they take a shit and die.

>>109284292
Alright will do. They don't sound bad at all, I just wanted a bit more treble sparkle. I will say that otherwise these are pretty much a significant upgrade over the Truthear Pure

>>109282680
It better not be anything measurable then because everything measurable is worse on mega 5.
>>109282740
>still coping that it wasn't measured
>doesn't know that even if it were made purely in REW it would measure like that anyway because REW wasn't made by retards

>>109283774
>would be hilarious to get a 0.1$ iem to sound good
would it tho? ultimately nobody cares.
hope you have measuring tools cause unfucking something like this by ear would be pretty annoying

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>>109284279
I dunno it looks like they have significantly more treble than pure
as always just add a treble shelf

>>109284335
I went from a Truthear Pure to an Arete 2 to a Tea Pro so I don't notice the difference much. It took me a bit to figure out what configuration I like but apparently it's short nozzles and definitely not warm/relaxed tuning.

>>109284313
>would it tho
if it has low THD it could sound like anything you want.
only question is, is it too much of a pos, if true then i guess you do need to spend 5$.
>hope you have measuring tools
i have, i'd generally autoeq for the rough shape and then fine tune the rest by ear.
but yea it'd definitely would be annoying to do the whole thing lol.

desu i'm kinda trying to come up with a way to measure eardrum fr without interfering with it, probably would be possible with some IR and light sensor.

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I don't know about techs, but timbre is one thing that is entirely dependent on the driver used. You cannot measure it. You cannot EQ it. If you weren't Indonesian and owned more than one pos except the $3 one you currently have - you would know this.

>>109284612
I'm going to need the FRzo to debunk this pronto

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>>109282868
>storm at the top

>>109284612
>but timbre is one thing that is entirely dependent on the driver used
do you fucking listen to yourself?
do you even know what "timbre" means?
it's literaly entirely in the FR, the driver doesn't matter.
>You cannot measure it
you don't even need to do a FFT to see timbre, you can literaly see it on a single cycle on the sound wave.

> If you weren't Indonesian and owned more than one pos except the $3 one you currently have - you would know this.

i live in switzerland, i have a 1500$ planar headphone, my iems are truthear pure, and i can literaly EQ my cheap 5$ kz to sound near identical (not worse or better, just slightly different) to either of those and that's just by ear.

if i had a microphone at my eardrum i could literaly tune them to sound identical.

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>>109284612
>>109284835
btw any sound is a sum of sine wave, the reason why a guitar string sounds different than a pure tone is because you have harmonics which basicaly means some extra sine wave on top of the main one, a fft allows you to generate a FR out of that and instead of having a single point at your base tone you see the whole spectrum.

i play the violin, see how the soundwave is all squigly instead of being a perfect sine wave, this is what timbre is, and if you fft it you get an FR graph.

timbre is literaly the FR and that's why my violin doesn't sound like pure fucking sinewaves.

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>>109284612
>>109284835
>>109284840
more less messy violin squigles so you get an idea.

what define the base pitch is the length of the period, what define timbre is the irregularities in a period, which is basicaly just extra sine waves on top.
this would entirely show up on the FR.

THD is basicaly harmonics when you try to generate a pure sine wave, to put it more simply, how different from a pure sine it'd look as a wave instead of a FR.
and yea, on anything that's not utter free airplane pos, it'd look almost identical to a sine wave to the human eye because it's so fucking low, you'd literaly not be able to pick it up with your ears bellow 0.1%, even seing it on the wave form would be near impossible.

>>109284612
>timbre
>determined by relative amplitude of harmonics
>harmonics are frequencies
>quite literally FR

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>>109284612
>>109284835
>>109284840
>>109284859
also, the 2 squigles i shared was strumming the string, is what it looks like if you just play one constantly with the bow, see how much more regular it is :

>>109284860
i swear these retards spout words without even understanding what they fucking mean.

>timbre
>"can't be measured"
>can somehow be recorded and graphed
imaging thinking this lmao.

>>109284872
of all things to call techs, timbre is the most puzzling. i can understand soundstage memes, but anyone that has taken any class past 3rd grade knows this shit

>>109284881
seriously, some luthier literally use FFT's of a violin's sound to quantify its timbre and quality kek lmao

>>109284612
>>109284865
anyway, to finish on that, i could literaly take my song, FFT all samples, remove everything except the base period and inverse it back to the sound wave and there you go, instead of hearing the beautiful timbre of a violin playing you'd just ear a sine wave play after another at varying amplitude, timbre is quite literaly entirely in the FR.

likewise i could to some extent do a diffing with guitar to make the violin sound like a guitar, you can literaly EQ an instrument to sound like another given fancy enough software.

Artpical Raphael, here I come.

Imagine not being able to selectively boost or attenuate specific frequencies in your mind with sheer willpower. Absolute plebs using software equalizers. Get on my level

need a 10,000$ setup and flac file to listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaWU1CmrJNc

>>109285166
>Imagine not being able to selectively boost or attenuate specific frequencies in your mind
fun troll but harmonic interference makes this literaly impossible.

the sound that goes out of the iem is not the same than the one that reach your eardrum, it can be EQ'd linearly at the source but not at the sink or after.

though they are minimum phase devices so it's not that bad, but ie if you tried to do it with a speaker, you could have some out of phase sounds that cancel itself out litery before it even gets to your eardrum.

>>109275555
Anything that isn't Asian slop?

>>109285187
why do you care?

>>109285196
Don't want some cheap shit made with slave labor for a media player.

How do you guys know if its the IEM tuning that's shouty versus bad mixing on the track itself. Like the vocals on this feels shouty and front centered to me and always makes me want to EQ though I feel it's just poorly mixed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDHoc9qzC5I

>>109285224
>Don't want some cheap shit
they'll perform just as well.
>made with slave labor for a media player
fair enough

>>109285224
all labor is slave labor under capitalism, wage slavery

>>109285166
filters so good, they HEPA rated. might as well start selling presets at this point. you know there's a sucker for it
>>109285230
familiarize yourself with the audio before your gear. know what to expect and sounds the most pleasing, then know when your gear is failing to deliver what you know a good song provides

>>109285224
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mOE3uiB
ask them to send you just the parts without assembling it and do it yourself.

>>109275555
i'm making an EQ inspired by https://peqdb.com/studio that works realtime on pipewire.

still on it, maybe i'll add windows and macos backend later, i just wanted peqstudio but that'd directly affect my system sound, currently it's working now i just want more gui features to match peqstudio, add curves etc.
will post more when it's more featureful.

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>>109285631
oh forgot to add picrel

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>>109285633
bit of progress, import / export working, i'll try to get it to use the targets db pretty soon

Dreaded distorting BA pos adds harmonics so it has different timbre :)

>>109285908
>Dreaded distorting BA pos adds harmonics
that's called THD.
and it's too low to matter anyway.

also, you could emulate high thd with a low thd device too.

>>109285949
Not with EQ. Maybe with some VST or punching holes in the driver.

>>109285166
>have a peak in the FR
>hair cells die
>no more peak
All FR problems literally solve themselves.

>>109286057
nta but because of harmonics it could be that a specific peak exist only when you wear a specific headphone, and then when you use another it's now a dip.

>>109286126
Nature tells you to stop consooming, brilliant.

>>109286138
true, i mean, i don't switch headphones unless it breaks, all my gear is already endgame, ie, arya organic and truthear pure.
only reason i'd change the pure is if i find a more comfortable pair.

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New shanling meme just dropped. I wonder how legit this is as a full desktop solution. I don't have a single SACD, but this bitch can play regular CDs, be used as a desktop DAC, preamp, and has a headphone amp. I wonder how legit the headphone amp is. Especially for IEMs it should be good enough, even though it just has a 6.35mm jack.

>>109280062
for serviceability? yes. for quality? no no no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX9z9PKphV4

>>109286408
why not

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eq software progress.

>>109286554
You're making your own EQ software? That's lit. Will it run on loonix?

>>109286659
yes, and yes, it already runs on linux, currently it only supports pipewire, i may add macos and windows support later.

i want it to have all the features of peqdb and more, i will later add more tools like FR diffing ie if you wanted to diff your measured HRTF from a measuring rig's HRTF.
it'll also include measuring tool so you can easily measure FR and THD provide you got the coupler for it.

anyway, the idea is i want an EQ swiss army knife.

maybe later i could add some randomizer tournament where you can A/B test random "mutation" and basicaly GAN the ideal curve for your hear blind.

>>109286659
>>109286667
i'm a full time linux user and basicaly all EQ software on linux are horseshit so i was like welp i guess i'm gonna make my own.

i mean easyeffect works well, but you don't have that graphical help and yea tuning eq by playing with sliders and manually entering value is annoying af, here i can just drag the shit around, click to create a point, kb shortcut for filter type etc.

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$265 well spent.

>>109286744
>semen vials

are you deaf yet?

>>109286744
eq could have saved you 263 dollars

>>109286912
you can fix deafness with EQ

>>109286912
17k at 39 without tinnitus is kinda decent tbph

>>109286932
17k what? net worth?

>>109286918
eq can't solve your financial situation

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>FRzo is indian or indonesian and still doesn't understand timbre

>>109286990
EQ saved my marriage !!!

>there are "people" that think mics can record techs from musical instruments but can't record them from headphones

>>109287017
>he doesn't understand that timbre is literaly FR
retard.

>>109287063
dude music is made out of balls !

>>109286952
Hertz, retard.

>>109287064
>IEM has BA timbre
>EQ to high heavens
>Can still hear BA timbre
ESLbro, if you don't understand it, just don't argue. Don't make a fool out of yourself. Everyone's clowning on you

>>109287131
>BA timbre
proven to be not a real thing by KZ

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>>109287150
KZ has never soldered a BA in their life.
If they even exist inside the IEM they are purely cosmetic.

HOLY FUCK I WAS COMPLETELY RIGHT!
FRZO IS JUST SOME INDONESIAN WITH HIS KZ EDC PRO

>>109287164
Actual retard with zero reading comprehension lmao. Headfi aren't sending their best.

>>109287181
Do you have it ESLbro? How could KZ disprove BA timbre isn't real if none of their BAs are even soldered?

>>109287131
>doesn't even fucking understand what timbre is.
have you even read these posts :
>>109284835
>>109284840
>>109284859
>>109284865

the only thing there is to timbre is FR.
in fact, i can prove it easily to you.
play a pure tone on two different pairs of iem, let's go with 440hz, match them for volume, they'll sound the same.

record it with your mic, you'll see that in both case the signal is identical, near perfect sine waves.

>>109287211
When the BA isn't soldered but people hear BA timbre anyway that disproves BA timbre is a thing, it's just a hallucination like cable techs. Very low IQ individual.

>>109287214
The tone sounds different.
This is the flaw in your understanding. I began by saying you can't measure it. If you have a DD and BA both producing the exact same magnitude response, they'll still sound different to the ear. If you had more than one (1) IEM you'd understand. Not that hard to comprehend.

>>109287231
>he's still at the autoeq stage
Update your firmware from 2020, we are already aware that FR at the eardrum is different from the FR at the coupler and adjust EQ by ear. This is literal years old info. Different FR doesn't mean it's not FR.

>>109287231
>The tone sounds different.
retard.
>If you have a DD and BA both producing the exact same magnitude response, they'll still sound different to the ear
they will not, the only thing that could make them sound different is insertion depth and eartips, the tone generated is the exact fucking same, you can even mesure it, there is 0 difference whatsoever.

kek what do you need to understand.
you know what test you could do.
get a coupler, FR 2 of your iems, then EQ one to match the other, and then listen to each through the coupler, ie the coupler record the sound, and you listen to it back on the same headphone.

you'll see that both iems will be indistinguishable when autoeq'd and then recorded by the coupler and played back on the same headphone.

>If you had more than one (1) IEM you'd understand.
i literaly have 3 different iems, a dt 770 pro x and an hifiman arya organic.
the only thing there is FR fucking retard.
we literaly KNOW this to be the case, it's not even an argument, you just are too stupid to understand why.

>>109287259
inb4 the low IQ individual gets triggered by the word "autoeq" and dismisses the post. That's a completely different kind of test than listening to 2 autoeqed IEMs.

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>>109287227
If you go back you'll realize no one actually said that. This was some imagination made up by /iemg/. This is literally one of the reviews from headfi for KZ DQ6 where one individual thought the BAs were real but didn't identify any BA qualities

>>109287288
>That's a completely different kind of test than listening to 2 autoeqed IEMs
it's literaly the same test, it's just a way to compensate for the fact that you don't have a microphone at your eardrum...

but you somehow believe there are magical techs that cannot be measured, recorded etc.
or that timbre cannot be recorded, a violin through a mic will sound just like a piano because timbre apparently cannot be recorded.
fucking retard.

>>109287259
>the only thing there is FR fucking retard.
>i literaly have 3 different iems, a dt 770 pro x and an hifiman arya organic.
Curious.

>>109287291
different drivers will result with different FR without EQ, that's nothing new, it's still just fucking FR and can be EQ'd.

just admit u are poor

you first