>America’s quest for AI dominance is scary. China is not the solutionhttps://archive.ph/9M1K4
>ban china from acquiring products>they start making said products themselves>oh no how could this has ever happenedThe West should keep China on a leash. Keep exporting crippled versions of tech so they don't make their own. It's only a matter of time before someone invents the lens over there and ASML becomes unnecessary.
>>109278429>It's only a matter of time before someone invents the lens over there and ASML becomes unnecessary.lmao
>>109278424oy vey
>>109278424>CHINA’S LEADER, Xi Jinping, is too stern to sing or dance in public—no Donald Trump-style piston-arm disco moves for him. This is a shame, for it would save time if he binned his planned remarks when the World Artificial Intelligence Conference (WAIC) opens in Shanghai on July 17th, and sang instead. Specifically, he could unleash his rich baritone on the hippy anthem, “I’d like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmoneee.”Closed the tab after this. Just get to the point you're not funny.
>>109278429They've already done it. But this isn't what the US needs to be concerned about. It's moving beyond transformer architecture that is the real worry.
While American companies fight to make the most powerful models, cost be damned, China is certainly the solution.Did no one learn from the past 50 years or so? Having the best manufacturing in the world doesn't mean you'll get all the contracts. Companies will settle for "good enough" if it costs 1/4 the price.If a Chinese model is "good enough" and cheaper, companies will go for it because reducing costs increases profit margins. Of course they'll go for the Chinese models.If you are releasing new frontier models that have higher inference costs than the last one, and it's not specifically for government use, you are losing.If you want to beat China at AI, you have to beat them in cost, NOT quality.
>>109278528>we can already produce 5nm chips>But we can’t even match the performance of chips the West produced 10 years ago, despite costing 10 times as much.China already scammed us with that chinese gpu, I don't believe anything they say.
>>109278527They don't even know what point they're trying to make. They just know China bad (that's what their CIA handlers told them) and wrote some meaningless filler text to go with the title.
>>109278559The problem is the entire industry has come up with very high-end solutions for an architecture that is not capable of being scaled up much further than the current SOTA. And there's quite a bit of institutional-lock in (hard to move away from a solution tailored to this SOTA design) due to high sunk cost.
This person clearly doesn't understand open weights or know enough to suggest that people in other countries should intensify their efforts to train domestic AI. And really, what other government in any country isn't going to turn authoritarian if it feels its interests are threatened? It's a crime to say nice things about North Korea in South Korea, countries with a lot of freedom are going to get mad if you go around stirring up disputes all the time etc.>>109278528>>109278642Right. The Bitter Lesson is a valuable insight but imho too pessimistic. Thinking that transformers/attention is all you need and it's just a matter of throwing ever larger compute at any given problem is the sort of logic you would expect if you're working on problems inside an environment like Google where you can casually tap into a computerized brain the size of a planet. But it's like a very wealthy person thinking that every economic problem can be solved by just turning it into a market, or academic people thinking that every problem can be solved by coming up with the perfect abstraction. In my view one of China's potential winning cards is the mix of AI experitise and hungry competitors with the low-power low-margin chip industry (ESP32 and RISC/V). Optimizing for edge computing with really tight hardware/processing constraints and finding better ways to network lots of small smart devices is gonna evolve faster than monolithic gigabrains imho.
>>109278424Everything silly con valley has ever produced has been a trap.
>>109278429You are talking about the $current_trend, but in truth what turned China into a manufacturing powerhouse were executives and Wall Street going gaga on moving fucking everything to there seeking better returns. It first went South, then Mexico, then China.
>>109278919>really tight hardware/processing constraints you might be onto something, in fact... wait, never mind xD
>>109278527I thought you were making that up
>>109278429>If we don't sell then all our high tech chips, then they will outcompete us!How do they keep convincing people to do this for short term gains?
>>109278528None of that means shit. Doing it as fast as ASML with the same amount of power heating things up is hard. Slow is easy.
>>109278424Why aren't muricacas releasing more open models if they fear Changs are eating their lunch with their open models? After all, things will remain the same, and the end result will be the same: the only company profiting from retard race will be Nvidia. But instead of muh hyperscalers burning tokens, endlessly wasting energy, it will be local users burning through their wallets. It's a win win, how can mutts be so dumb they don't see this?
>>109281058Because open models don't make money. Remember, this is an investor's game
>>109280847>If we don't sell then all our high tech chips, then they will outcompete us!Banning China from buying chips is the short term option. Short term prevention of china's use of AI, long time it means China will develop equivalent tech.The long term play for the US would be to sell to them, delaying them, and meanwhile restructuring all of the west to not be so degenerate, and onshoring massively. But can't do that because it would benefit the goys!Anti-china shills never understand anything about China. It's ridiculous because I have plenty of criticisms of China and NONE of the anti-china propagandists take me up on it, ever. Anyway, you have the only fab in the world in a island full of Chinese people, no matter what you do mainland will get some. Part of dealing with Chinese government has trained them well to ignore laws when there's good profit to be made. Chinese are loyal to their family, to earning money, Chinese in Taiwan or singapore or even US don't really mind mainland government, they are more loyal to their race and family.
>>109281058Google only releases Gemma to undercut poor tiers on the competition. Effectively, most users are satisfied with a Gemma 4 31B tier experience and they have it out for free. China is certainly using open source to undercut a higher tier of user, and it’s cheap for them to do so since they’re just distilling Claude outputs
Why should China invent anything when the west do it for them already? >west spend billions on new things>China steals it>use their local talent to refine it to their tastes>offer the service or resell the thing at a lower costIt just works. I don't get why some people keep crying about them not being able to create new things when it's just not how they operate.
>>109278559This. We let American companies export production to China for decades because it saved them a dollar. We ruined the country in the process. This does feel very similar. Companies can’t be trusted to think about anyone but themselves.
>>109278424>No author listed from an official publisher website with no comment section.It isn't the 1800s anymore. Anonymity for publisher's that pay for content means; You just know.
>>109278424Sorry, America's word is as good as a pile of shit at this point. Any trust you built up is now completely gone. If the US government or a US corporation says or promotes something, I am more inclined to believe the opposite
>>109278424how long is your bot gonna post this cope?
>>109278528Implessive
>>109278574It looks to me like they'll get there eventually.
>>109282039Similar question for the West. Why would they need to manufacture anything when China and other countries for them already?>China spend billions on manufacturing>West just submit orders for products>use their local talent to refine it to their tastes>offer the service or resell the thing at a higher cost
