YAY, ANOTHER SHITTER SHIT SHOT

Just what the doctor ordered.

>>109292514
AI in and of itself is not a problem. Its the billionaire trash and abuse of hardware markets and data center rush that IS the problem.

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hey guddite, heres what Albert Einstein says

I'm going to be honest here, baring my soul a little. I am a prolific modder for a certain game. Something close to Xcom, let's say. I've made some pretty good stuff, but only through the modding tools. I don't know how to code. But I know the game inside and out.

So, one day I break and ask claude code to write a feature for me, and I, with my excellent in-game knowledge, test if it works, checking for every edge case. It works, it's like I commissioned a human coder to do it. I've been expanding ever since. I've done more than I ever could before except by actually learning to code myself, which I never wanted to do. I just wanted to make cool soldiers fight each other.

My point is that I can 100% make actionable, functional stuff that people enjoy, because I can tell if the output is correct, even if I don't understand how it got there. And I am just a retarded gamer. I'm definitely not using it for maximal efficiency and utility. And I would only ever admit I am using this tech if I had to, because I know the optics nuke it would mean for me. And if I am smart enough to figure all this out, and smart enough to keep my mouth shut about it, then there must be thousands of people smarter than me, making more useful code than me, who are quietly using it to hammer out thousands of lines of working code they can verify the functionality of, to very real and potentially profitable results.

Of course, I'm an anon and have no intention of providing evidence lest I be exposed, but trust me when I say that this has let me do something that would have never, ever been possible otherwise. And if its true for me, it must be true for others, and it has to be having a tangible impact and positive effect. I don't know where I am going with this but I'm trying to be sincere here. it's crazy.

>>109292514
There's a right way and a wrong way to use AI.
>Wrong way: "idk what this is fix it." *let's it run on full auto and shit up everything*
>Right way: I found this bug. Can you help me investigate the root cause? What would be a clean fix with no side-effects? Do we have any options *proceeds to take time and get it right, learns something*

>>109292582
That's good. 100% spot on, understanding the output is key. I do the same thing, but the one piece I was missing (and I have become more focused on) is security.
It's most excellent to make a working product that's void of major bugs, but it's all for not if it's a leaking sieve security wise.

>>109292582
don't let the luddites get to you
it's literally just people with 100k+ salaries who were gatekeeping code for decades, now crying that we finally have a shot

>>109292652
>Right way: I found this bug. Can you help me investigate the root cause?
That's fair of you to call it out! Here's the root cause <synthesis of ranom red*it posts nd saar stack overflow replies>
>What would be a clean fix with no side-effects? "Make no mistakes"
>Do we have any options
Stochastic parrot will invent any and all options, since the task is to "find option" not "analyze"
>*proceeds to take time and get it right, learns something*
What stops you from doing this without LLM? Goddamn vibeidiots are truly retarded

>>109292704
Except programming isn't really all that difficult. It's just time consuming to learn the all the ins and outs like syntax, structure, etc and etc.
Have you not seen the CoDeRz of today? They aren't exactly "high IQ."

>>109292710
Learn to prompt, moron.

>>109292514
Nice windows replacement. You can't tinkertroon out of your jeetification now

>>109292582
good effort post.

>>109292729
Get a brain, moran.
Also fuck off back to bosnia

>>109292722
One look at /twg/ will teach you all you need to know about so-called devs

>>109292704
when every midwit is able to create software then it will lose it's value so ultimately both coders and vibe coders will lose
you are competing with hundreds of millions of jeets and chinks vibing 16 hours a day

>>109292514
Kernel fork when?

>>109292582
yea and if u care about optimization, find github repos with the optimization features u need, download them, and point ur ai to implement its features/design in your project.
this is basically what i did pre ai, ai just automates it

>>109292582
i love xcom and i want to play ur mod

>>109292842
I care about pussy. What repos can I get some pussy?

>>109292514
I used to think that Linus and Elon were trans, but now I see that I was wrong
They are based as fuck vibeGODS

>>109292868
ur dads house

>>109292582
>Always fanfics never results
So far the only stuff I have seen from the so called vibecoders is worse implementations of already existing things, things like emulators that already exist for computing platforms except less optimized, run worse, breaks on edge cases and all with 10 times more the spaghetti code bloat. Quite literally copypasting repos together with little rhyme nor reason.

>>109292582
That's the future I guess. AI can do some really cool stuff without the need of spending years learning or paying somebody else.

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AI-guddites called Linus Torvalds a coding troon and he keked into the GNU. Albert Einstien comes to the rescue!

It seems like tech really is going downhill and the tech tree the oligarchs have chosen to expand is literally just there to weaken it's users.
Even looking at computer science curriculums from the 90's/early 2000's, you see a shift towards great levels of abstraction and not core foundational principles.
I think the C programming language is really about as far up the abstraction tree we will ever need.
Somebody please give me some hope for the future

>>109292582
propagandapost

>>109293034
Also, I understand the shift towards a dis-empowering kind of tech tree expansion is complicated and since the computer stuff is new in our recent history, is almost expected for us to not acclimate to it right away (abusing AI and losing natural gifts), but I personally feel like the mind state of the boomer generation is to blame for this decline.

The legal murkiness around AI leaves Free software projects open to corporate butt fucking and utter destruction. Also it still generates shitty code, always will.

Linux was dead the second they put Rust in the kernel though, if you're not on OpenBSD you're simply a digital serf.

>>109293044
Technology is a great equalizer that came out of the blue in the recent decade. Can't let people have access to it anymore

>>109293147
thirdie take, you can access more than ever, it's just ever so slightly more expensive

sell a family member, get a new GPU, this is how you'll have to do it thirdie

>>109293147
Among the greediest weak people who hoard wealth, and the disenfranchised lower class, another stratus I see forming is those empowered by AI and those dis-empowered.
Obviously it's here to stay, and I guess this is just another thing we are all gonna have to get used to.

>>109293200
>saar, if you don't use AI you will be digital dalit
Go sell your garbage elsewhere, Ranjeet.

>>109292652
>I found this bug! <100k words of slop>
>What is the bug?
>I'm glad you asked! <100k words of slop>
>Pull request closed

>>109293206
Where did I say that.

Hate Linux now. Friendship with Windows rest-ACK

>>109293206
You have to admit that ai is better than coders

>>109293222
Right in your post, saar.

>>109293255
It's worse and the copyright situation is very shaky, Linux is garbage though so I think it's funny.

>>109293282
>Linux is garbage though so I think it's funny.
What do you use, anon?

>>109292514
blink twice if you are being held at dildo-point

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>>109292514

>>109292582
The people still denying AI are severely mentally retarded. That's all there is to it.

>>109292582
completely real post made by a human who did this in real life for sure.

>>109293340
didn't they stop doing prostate exams?

>>109292582
>I've done more than I ever could before except by actually learning to code myself, which I never wanted to do.
you're a fucking loser and probably a liar too
anyone with actual interest in such things as modding would've learned that a long time ago, before LLMs even existed. I don't think anything you make will be worthwhile since you can't put the least amount of effort into the thing you do as a hobby.
>And I would only ever admit I am using this tech if I had to, because I know the optics nuke it would mean for me.
you are morally bankrupt

>>109292551
I think leftards in general are the source of all problems

>>109292704
>we finally have a shot
shot at what lmao
why would you get hired over someone who knows his shit?
nothing changed for you bub, you have no skills and you have no future

AI is based, death to all who are against it.

>>109292514
AI is the future.

>>109293432
Only for plebs. Elite people and those who are wise to (((them))) will make sure to insulate themselves from AI.

>>109293282
Then why are codetrans being replaced in masse if AI is shit?

"Vibe coders" need to be removed from the surface of the planet.
Vibe learn programming so you can read what the fuck is getting out of the AI.
It literally can teach you how to program for an MSX or X68000 if you want.

>>109293458
Shit AI code is no worse than shit Jeetcode, you dumb brown person.

>>109293492
You are a transgender coder. You are not required anymore and billionaires know this.
Please end your life

>>109293492
Fat coder transsexual please die

>>109292710
What stops you from doing research with a library instead of a modern search engine?
Nothing, it's slower though.

>>109293380
uh oh melty
your time is over gramps, ai wonned, pr*grammers lost

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>>109292514

>>109292514
>>109293340
we told you to install gentoo

>>109292548
FPBP
also a duplicate >>109293428

>>109292652
That's not the right way.

>>109292514
>as usual
lol is Elon Musk aware that Linus thinks he's a moron? https://youtu.be/mfv0V1SxbNA?t=2217

>>109294332
haha so true my fellow redditor! updooted
fuck that zionist nazi

Linus doesn't write his on messages since the "break".
The trannies run the kernel now.

>>109293600
Research at a library would unironically be way faster than jewgle at this point for anything with published books

>>109294441
Retard.

If AI is useful and can automate coding now why haven't we reached a singularity all of a sudden.

Oh right it can only do the absolute bare minimum and that's WITH oversight, basically only useful for ADHD trannies with executive dysfunction who hate coding and really should have just been working in Macca's all along anyway

>>109292514
"International Cyber Digest" is like vxunderground but worse (if that is somehow possible)

>>109294818
If you've been playing video games and are out of the loop of what the technology can do that's not really anyone's fault but your own. "Why hasn't it done X"? not our job to answer you. The whataboutism is exhausting

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>the smartest men on the planet say that AI is useful
>some random fizbuzzer on /g/ says it's useless
who do I believe ?

>>109294850
Believe in (You)rself. Go on, vibecoder, go on and code us something and you'll be one of the smartest men in the planet. You'll be just like Elon. Go on!

>>109294875
What is wrong with you?

>>109294850
sorry retard but notch said AI was bad

>>109294875
you seem upset

>>109294883
>>109294886
>get told to actually apply yourself
>crash out
many such cases!

>>109294837
It is your job ranjeet

Hell you shouldn't need to, the results would speak for themself. If they existed. Which they don't :)

>>109294883
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a name when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your name when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a name when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image board culture!

>>109292710
>>109293215
You are stupid and it's easy to tell. My point wasn't to view AI as an oracle but to work with it and try to force evidence from it.
>>109294230
Then what is the right way? Enlighten me

Elon is right, as usual.

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>>109292704
>compilers are free
>text editors are free
>ides are free
>tutorials and courses are free
you could only ever get gatekept by not having a computer or internet connection
anon what the fuck do you mean by gatekeeping? you simply got filtered by your own incompetence and laziness.

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>>109294998
It might sound insane to you, but some people are employed and don't have infinite time at hand. Learning to code takes a lot of time. Learning to draw takes a lot of time. But now you don't have to waste all this time to do something useful.
I'm glad that luddite seethers like you are becoming more and more irrelevant. You are just completely fucking clueless and you will suffer.

>>109292551
>AI bad because Communism

>>109293380
You're absolutely wrong and delusional. Not that anon but I've been modding for 30 years from sprites to 3d and I still don't know how to code. I've tried a few times since I was a child and couldn't get into it. The most I've done is scripting. Why? Because there are so many other things I'm good at that I'd rather be spending my time on. AI allows me to focus on those things, increasing productivity and overall quality, especially because I'm the one in control. I don't need to go through someone else who won't have the same creative mindset.

I'm not a random nobody either. People have always been stealing and reselling my shit. It's no exaggeration to say that I go random places and people are using my work. Makes it hard for me to give a shit about people suddenly crying over AI copyright issues. I'm not publicly active anymore because DEI ruined everything everywhere, including my life since childhood, and killed my motivation.

Why am I here? To browse for useful info. I rarely comment. I've been using AI privately for a few years. Made lots of stuff. Will continue making stuff that I won't release, because I don't want to deal with hysterical luddites and DEI activists trying to enslave creators under manufactured moral obligations. I don't care about profit. I'd rather die than throw more pearls at swine. And I doubt I'm the only one who thinks this way.

So when you see luddites and DEI nonsense, know for a fact that they are pushing away actual creators like myself. They want it that way, because it makes their garbage the only option and most people can't tell the difference when there's nothing better anymore.

>>109295018
>be me
>start coding ca 2014 (I was 12)
>learn multiple languages
>participate in coding competitions
>no AI
>fast forward a decade
>AI comes around
>>now you don't have to waste all this time to do something useful
I actually enjoy coding, it's always been my ONE getaway.
No matter how much you ~vibe~, you will simply never understand computers on a deeper level and, speaking from experience, that will prevent you from writing good software - with AI or without it.

>>109295017
Don't forget his simps/alts
>DogeDesigner
>XFreeze
>TetsuoAI
>WholeMarsBlog

>>109292704
>it's literally just people with 100k+ salaries who were gatekeeping code for decades, now crying that we finally have a shot
Early genai was useful for beginners because while being extremely shit and retarded they still knew more than the beginner. But they were useless for advanced users.
Powerful tools are more useful for advanced users, beginners can only look at the results and say OK that's code, without any idea of what went right and how to get better results.

>>109295018
Simple question, what do you do after work?
Unless you work like 12hours a day, you should have free time after work.
Even with commute and cooking and shit you should have atleast handful of hours afterwards.
You could use this time for something beneficial instead of just wasting it.

>>109295098
LLMs are still so fucking useful as a stack overflow / documentation replacement. But that's where my use case ends.
Recently had to learn Lua for Neovim plugin scripting and it was such a breeze
>How are objects, arrays, assignments, comparisons and instructions delimited?
>Do I have ternaries?
>Here's the lib I want to implement and its docs, please find the following methods and explain their return types
SUPREMELY useful for that but I rather implement it myself

The whole debate follows the same dumb issues as every other argument these days.
>Us vs Them mentality
>Tribalistic sides
>Nuance takes lost in the whirlwind
It's a useful tool, AND it's underwhelming. It will likely get better and better, but is also not anywhere near being some world changing tech.
And he is 100% right. Most people haven't used the tools because people who aren't develops just fucking havent lol. Agentic workflows are just not useful for the vast majority of non-developer roles right now.

>>109295152
on point anon

>>109295102
I am actually a coder. But I've seen similar retarded argument about drawing/art. Why the fuck would someone waste ~10 years of learning to draw almost every day for a couple of hours when they can use AI now? Same goes for code. Unless you actively enjoy the process of learning (instead of aiming for results), not using AI makes no sense. The process of learning to code/draw IS a waste of time for someone not interested in coding if they want to make a mod for a game and just need the results like >>109292582 guy for example.

Absolute most of people will take the path of least resistance no matter how angry it makes the twitter activists. Get real.

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>>109292514
Why is this crap so big news? Wtf?
It's just a very normal take. Like there is literally nothing special about Linus' take

>>109295193
>~10 years of learning to draw almost every day for a couple of hours
Make that 8 hours a day to actually get good within reasonable time.
People who laugh at artists seething will never understand.

>>109292582
I made one of the most popular l4d2 mods on the workshop by vibe coding. Everyone loves the mod as evidenced by its popularity. I have not mentioned I used AI to make it though.

>>109295391
the very picosecond you mentioning ai people will try to cancel you and the comment section will be flooded with 'slop'
gamers are truly the worst

>>109295415
Damn, you humble AI folks truly are so oppressed. I don't know how you can stand it.

>>109295415
It's why I'll never mention it. I also commented every line of code in my own words explaining what it does because I asked the AI to go one line at a time and I explained the logic of what I wanted and asked it questions for every line about what the line is doing. I actually made 3 vibe coded mods doing this.

The first one was like 90% vibe coded, the second like 60%, and the final one I made that is insanely popular is like 40-50% vibe coded since I started writing my own lines as I learned what was going on. Basically I just need the AI to give me syntax when it's something I haven't encountered before but otherwise I can lookup functions on valve's vscripting repository and chain them together myself at this point with AI assisting me rather than full 100% writing every line.

>>109295426
i have similar projects too
besides the core real time effect which is 100% handwritten, everything else are 90% vibecoded and rewritten around the effect
>>109295425
i am just so tired about this type of talking

>>109292514
Linus is naive and thinks people have integrity like him and just use AI while coding for help instead of:
>Claude, please create 1000 Linux kernel contributions to boost my resume and immediately after create PRs to Linux mainline
>disregard quality to save on tokens

>>109292582
Yes, AI is unfortunately real and anyone saying otherwise is coping. I wish it wasn't, honestly. I'm pretty sure it will make my CS degree even more useless than it is right now.

>>109295102
He goes on 4chan to push narratives and further his victim complex

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>It's not a bubb-ACK!!!

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>>109295018
t. Rakim

>>109295206
because a famous coding troon cucked and flipped to the AI-guddites side. you have to think as them to understand

>>109294998
they are fake, look at those PR messages, theres nothing detailed in there: blablabla i used Claude blablabla Ack-tropic blablabla. they advertise the company and its thing, not their own thing that they made with it.

>>109295534
Linus has no integrity AND he is an idiot.
The thing that pisses me off most about all this isn't his stupid opinion, but the fact that he is once again lying to people and gaslighting them by saying nobody will be forced to use LLMs. And he does so in the same email thread where it is under discussion how to force people to interact with their LLM.
Same shit with the Rust adoption.

>>109296088
avoiding a useful tool because you're imagining you might later be forced to use the useful tool is dumb

>>109296179
This is not my point, you should learn to read.
He is lying about forcing people to use it, that's what I take offense at.
That's completely irrespective of my opinion of the tool.
He did this with rust (although being forced to use it is still in the future, but inevitable if you logically think about it) and is now doing it with LLMs.
And it is not me imagining this, they LITERALLY talked about forcing people to use it in that very same thread.

He's a puppet for IBM and Oracle of course he loves AI sloppa

>>109292877
Its not mutually exclusive

He IS right but as usual he thinks in terms of sensible poeple not brown ranjeets farming for github izzat

>>109292582
I'm old, so I remember when exactly the same posts as this were appearing on Usenet 40 years ago - but instead of AI, it was compilers.

>>109292582
To me it's no different from using procedural tools and motion capture to generate vfx and animations. Hand-animating fluids in 3D would be insane, for example. If you have a specific, novel problem you want to solve, and AI can help you achieve it, then it's just a tool for the job. I'm not impressed by AI cloning existing software and games, or emulating artstyles with a lora, and I think the pushback against that is entirely justified and should be backed by copyright law. This is probably where Linus in his autism fails to grasp the distinctions in how AI can be used

>>109292514
Let's be real, most programmers were overpaid a lot for their job of reinventing the wheel for some new information system just because boomers don't understand anything about programming. People like Torvalds will never be threatened by AI since their job requires actual deep thinking unlike most codesloppers seething about AI being capable of doing their repetitive job. The golden age of codeslopping is over, move on or keep seething.

>>109292582
Same. Remember that the only people who are against AI are literal psychotic leftypol troons who hate you and want you dead anyway. Back in 2009 I made the mistake of listening to their propaganda about Bitcoin, I could have been an early crypto billionaire but nooooo, I listened to them. Never again!

>>109292582
the trick has always been to not tell the hylics about your heretic magic from the beginning. luddites are, ironically, bigger golems than the robot writing your code. as long as they can't tell (they will always smugly proclaim they can even when they can't: you can ignore that), they don't care. sometimes it's better to keep tge retards asleep so they don't impede actual work.

>>109295054
>boo hoo ur hurting me for not having passion.
Be a good little goyim and make the internet a shittier place.

>>109295018
Sounds like you never liked doing those activities. Other people also have jobs, yet they learn and master new skills.

You will always be a failure because you don't really care about learning new skills and LLMs won't change that.

>>109292582
happy that it worked for you anon, here's my shitpost:
>we are entering an era of unprecedented access to powerful tools only limited by your creativity, learning to draw/to code/to play instruments is not necessary anymore, what matters is if your idea is cool
>meanwhile I'm a retarded faggot uneducated philistine with zero original or interesting thoughts in his head, the "well I don't really need to code any program because everything I need has already been made" type of idiot
holy shit it's so over, is there a restart button somewhere
>t. never cheated in a single CS class with AI (equivalent to shooting yourself in the dick with a shotgun)

>>109301077
Why would one spend years on mastering a skill when they don't have to anymore? Appeasing some twitter activists?

>>109292582
>So, one day I break and ask claude code to write a feature for me, and I, with my excellent in-game knowledge, test if it works, checking for every edge case. It works, it's like I commissioned a human coder to do it. I've been expanding ever since. I've done more than I ever could before except by actually learning to code myself, which I never wanted to do. I just wanted to make cool soldiers fight each other.
Not even just this, but putting the thing in Ask mode and asking for a plan or ideas to implement something. No longer do I need to Google/encounter faggots on Stackoverflow, I can just have Claude work it out and digest it for me

I've also found that at work, it can implement things I havr no time for (like tools and scripts) 100x faster than I can with like 1000x less bugs as I'd be just chucking it together

>>109292514
IF AI is so great why do we need Linus? Just retire bro? Let AI do the work.
You won't? Why not?
That's odd.

>>109292514
See that's fine as long as you can audit the code. He's not going to approve some vibe coded slop to go into the kernel. Of course, cargo cultists lack any kind of brain to understand nuance.

>>109292812
Can't fucking wait for that day. These inflated companies that sell shit on a lease program and act like they invented the blunt end of the knife when it's just barely functioning spaghetti code with ten times the features you actually need to trick you into paying the exorbitant yearly fees. Good fucking riddance to these coding parasites that have a stranglehold on society and their ilk.

>>109292820
Soon, there are already talks about taking the SLTS kernel release and maintaining it. SLTS is basically Linux from a decade ago with security and stability patches backported. They're also talking about stripping out the rust code.
But honestly it might also be worth it to consider FreeBSD.

>>109304761
Who's the retards doing that?

>>109304920
Not gonna spoil it but for now they're working on a GUI toolkit for Xlibre. Full chudstack by EOY. Glowniggers can tongue my anus.

>>109303438
Okay if those skills are obsolete what other skills will you bring to the table? Being the idea guy? lmao

>>109292704
>gatekeeping code
Code is the least gatekept thing there has ever been. There's an entire world of free resources, millions of people dying to teach you how to code free of charge, and thousands of books intentionally made free by their authors. Learning to code is free and easy by design.
I keep hearing this idea that code is gatekept from a subsection of very pro-AI people and it's so extremely wrong that I'm confused how you could even make that conclusion.

>>109296241

No one is forcing people to use LLMs or Rust when contributing to Linux kernel.

>>109292755
*Republic of Srpska
It's not just "Bosnia"

>>109306969
Like all skills when it comes AI cocksuckers, they mean it was gatekept by actually having to exert even a minuscule amount of effort.

>>109306999
As I said, being forced to use Rust is an inevitability, I don't see how this is in any way not obvious.
And for the third time, they are literally discussing on the mailing list how (not if) they are going to force people to interact with their LLM for reviews of contributions.
You are either lying, or can't conceptualize the future.

>>109307063

Luddite pls go...

>>109306969
What they mean is they made awful shitass pull requests to public repos and got mad when they got rejected.
Now they just use AI to make thousands of such PRs and hope that a few get through so they can put them on their resumes as "contributed to X, Y, and Z projects".

>>109307063
The funny thing about rust is that the so-called memory safety seems to result in new ToCToU issues and other logic errors constantly because of the garbage code people write to satisfy the borrow checker instead of just using unsafe.

>>109294850
Linus is socially retarded and can't understand long-term how this will be bad for societal trust
He just sees a cool tool doing awesome things (b/c he's smart) and then gets mad because people seem to be shitting on his fun, cool new tool
I'm guessing he was likely a shut-in in school. Not many friends, perhaps even bullied

>>109307063
AI is the future—codetrans.

>>109307173
hahaha okay rajesh

>>109296909
Compilers are one of the best things to have happened to programming.

>>109292582
name the game. now you have to

>>109294124
its literally the inverse lmao

>>109296909
Comparing compilers to the superficial nonsense that AI shits out is delusional

>>109292514
Linus had a meltie and removed contributors to the kernel because "muh Russia" while happily allowing CIA backdoors, are you still surprised he has retarded takes?

>>109304664
I don’t know how people like you come to the conclusion that AI will somehow solve this. The people you describe are the ones creating and pushing AI.

>>109294850
>ESL
>smart
Meds.

>>109294895
>minor reaction
>crash out
I mean I agree with what you're saying but come on.

>>109295054
You are quite literally a nobody.

based faggot pushing Linux AI espionage on my computer

>WEF member Linus Slopvalds with another mindboggingly retarded take

The inclusion of the musk response wasn't necessary, grokbot

>>109304603
You need Linus to model the AI on. There is years of Linux Kernel Mailing List archives out there. Think about that for a moment.

If you train your AI on that then you instantly get AI Linus the best clanker that ever was and ever will be.