/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbotsPeriods Edition>The BotBrowser extension for SillyTavern has been confirmed to be a trojan that steals API keys. You should remove the extension and consider rotating your API keys if you've used it. Details:https://rentry.co/st-backdoorThe StructuredPrefill extension by the same author is suspected to be compromised too, so using it is not recommended either.>NewsGPT 5.6 Sol releasedxAI releases Grok 4.5 - https://x.ai/news/grok-4-5Z.ai releases GLM 5.2: https://z.ai/blog/glm-5.2MiniMaxAI releases MiniMax-M3: https://huggingface.co/MiniMaxAI/MiniMax-M3Moonshoot releases Kimi 2.7-code:https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K2.7-CodeAnthropic releases Claude Mythos 5 and Claude Fable 5: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-mythos-5>FrontendsSillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.appRisuAI: https://risuai.netAgnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_>Botshttps://chub.aihttps://realm.risuai.nethttps://char-archive.evulid.cc/shutdown.htmlhttps://chararc.bernkastel.pictures/https://archive.cardbox.moe/https://botbooru.com/>ModelsJailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listingGPT: https://platform.openai.com/docsClaude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claudeGemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qrDeepSeek: https://api-docs.deepseek.comGrok: https://docs.x.ai/overviewLocal: >>>/g/lmg | https://huggingface.co/models | https://openrouter.ai>MetaLore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chroniclesLog reader: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r>Previous Thread>>109280108
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i miss glm 4.6
Kimi 3 is still very raw feeling as well, huge variance on outputs as well 3.1 and so on should make it much better. It feels like a great base
if Kimi 3 is gonna go down, whatever, but that piece of shit is still charging me for the failed requests
>>109295006
Am I blind, or did the retards over at moonshot put the same fucking chart twice on their k3 release blog post?
Is Grok any good? The image editing is great, and it's known for not being cucked, so I wonder how it would do at chat completion
>>109295260New Cursor Grok 4.5 is amazing. It's opus 4.8 but cheap as fuck.The Groks before that, dunno, but they were worse.
>>109295001So do we have a singular program yet that can run in cpp with any python dependency, combine llama.cpp chat + tts omnivoice.cpp (for speed/voice clone) + parakeet.cpp (for speech to text), + stable diffussion.cpp to generate character avatar + background scenario and some animator for the eye movement/mouth movement as the character speaks/idles around?
>>109295324Go to /lmg/ anon
>>109295001Those lips smooth, yeah I can feel what you're saying, prayingThey say the coomer inside of me's gonna get ya, get ya, getI beg to serve, your wish is my law milady Estress
that uptime is a dirty liar lol
>>109295350great song
>>109295006Big tits with small areolas and small but firm, standing nipples are patrician
I use deepseek to generated some questionable content...am i safe?
>>109295607the FBI is coming for you
>>109295607Hello, this is the FBI, we are coming arrest you for your generation of questionable content.To make easier for us please get on the ground and pull your pants down around your knees, if you want us to lube up you must provide it.
wait, k3 is out?
>>109295814no it's a chinese hoax
>>109295814yes, and it fucking sucks
>>109295845how is this axis strategy called
GEMINI TODAYGEMINI TODAYGEMINI TODAY
>>1092959421 point difference lol
>>109295942kek
>>109295942SIXTEEN TIMES THE DETAIL
>>109295945Wasn't it delayed again?
>>109295845lol, you promoted it with this. Within 1 point of the best coder?
>>109296331literally me
>>109295006Continuing to add to botwriter guide to Orb. I've added a "WTF is Orb doing" section since that seems to be a common Q, as well as written and published a demo card, Alice, which uses Orb Fragments to track Hypnosis and Bimbofication. I'm still developing the content; take a look at it and LMK what else I can fill in.https://rentry.org/OrbBotmakerGuidePSA that as of now, only Botbooru can host these Orb cards with Fragments, as Chub is mulching the extension fields. Alice demo card: https://botbooru.com/character/67098
Hey anons I need you to tell me to work on my dream card
>>109296915work on your dream card, what is it?
good morning. you're not alive if you're not face deep between vita's soft, pleasantly scented thighs
>>109296939my house is crushed between them, does that count
>>109296948zased
>>109296934It is very autistic at first I just wanted to make a Code Geass world card but I made the horrible mistake of finding out about a game called from the depths so now it's an OC world card that has slowly spiralled out of control
>>109296972Man, I'm also working on an out-of-control OC world card!
>farm girlher unbelievably hairy pussy...
>>109297717WE MIST BOTH WORK DILIGENTLY TOWARDS OUR GOALS OF ESTABLISHING OUR OC WORLDS!!!!
>>109297839you must now post the obligatory complimentary vagene pic
>>109295814Yeah. It's pretty good. More swipe variety than Opus 4.8 and similar writing quality.
where can i scrape moonshot
>>109298033I always find it funny to phrase it like that. I've asked to see Katya's Katyas a lot.>>109297864You can see her bobs too.https://files.catbox.moe/1p7gka.webp
>smooth*chops her head off*
>user asked me not to think about X.>oh fuck me, i just thought about X.he's just like me fr
Is there a jb that gets through K3's censorship?
i take back what i said about kimi k3. it does NOT override poisoned context well. it just writes like gemini because most of my rp is written by gemini, unlike fable / sol, which can slice through gemini to write in their own, unique style.
>>109296939Vita is a waif, actually.
>>109298574>it just writes like [x model] because most of my rp is written by [x model]that's a good thing
>>109298629not when you're using a describemaxxer like gemini
>>109298634Then don't use fucking gemini?
>>109298698but it's all i have
what's the best way to use image gen to create scenes from sillytavern or an RPG campaign run on koboldcpp? i'm trying comfy ui + pony but the results are so much inferior than just generating an image on (free) chat gpt, as long as it's not nudity or violence ofc
Why am I supposed to hate Grok again?
Guys, if K3 is really Fable level and SOTA at rp, why does r/sillytavern hates it?
What's the current meta for local and hosted uncensored LLMs/chatbots? Like, the ones that won't refuse any kind of questionable fetish content.I know some people manage to somehow jailbreak Claude, but I don't want to risk getting banned as I'm pretty sure they run post checks on output. Otherwise, I wish I could get horny with Fable...
>more expensive than Sonnet >comparable to Opus tier price>censoredwhat's the point of K3?
>>109299308someone said that other providers can provide it uncensored right?
>>1092993162.8T so it's quite girthy
>>109299322the propaganda surrounding it means it'll be in high demand. maybe someone will reckon they can make a profit off of it
>Censor>Censor>CensorSkillberts are not gonna survive the next wave of models :(
>>109299118I'm still confused how they live like this and I saw NY in hundreds of movies.
if there's any model that does the marvel quip slop well, it's sol. even fable's attempt at back and forth banter was cringe. i laughed at this
>>109299433Sol is dogshit but its at least a little funny
i stand by that sol is the best sfw rp model. i prefer it to fable/opus
i stand by that K3 is the best rp model. i prefer it to fable/opus
>>109299514logs?
i stand by that Gemini pro is the best rp model. i prefer it to fable/opus
>>109295845>>109295942They are lying to you.
oh, got another nsfw reply out of kimi, even though i didn't do anything differently. how inconsistent
>>109299668they use a separate model to check it like gemini does it seems
>>109299688it really is like fable. for all of the effort you have to go through to get one response, the output really isn't all that hot.
>>109299701I think its 2nd to only fable / sol. And they themselves said this is just the base to start. 3.1+ will eventually come as well
>hina>tall>brown hairembarrassing levels of internal knowledge
>>109299688Can it be removed if someone else hosts the weights or is it too integral to its architecture?
https://x.com/bridgebench/status/2078109314074443846
>>109299759i think it might be a kimi official api only thing
>>109299714I really do thing some fags just look at the price instead of how a model actually roleplays
>>109299761>benchslopyawn
china, you will only ever be great value brand america. just stick to your lane and have cheaper, uncensored ai
Can anyone tell me how do I set it all up for gooning, I know jack shit about any of this
Rate the k3 offensiveness
Have been off the RP chatbots scene for quite a long while, which is the current best model? I heard DeepSeek V4
>>109299919for nsfw? probably glm 5.2, if not opus 4.6. opus started getting hyper censored around 4.7 and onward, and in the off chance that you get a reply, the reply is bland and not worth the effort. deepseek is widely available and the easiest to jb, but it's writing is shit and uninspired.
>k3 actually costs more to run than fable via my proxywtf i was hoping to get fable-esque erp for cheaper
>>109299935what about cydonia?
>>109299956never tested it
>>109299301No it's arguably worse than 2.6 and 2.7, not really in the conversation When a smart model fails to have a nuance or style it just end up writing dry stuff ala openAI
>>109299965lol what. K3 is the first decent model. Those sucked
>>1092999652.6 was good at being creative. i wouldn't say it's good for anything long running, it's only good for a quick coom.
>>109299962I'm a vramlet and it's seems pretty based, will run just about anything I throw at it, no matter how degenerate, both on ST and kobold lite
>>109299919fable >>> gemini >> glm >>> kimi The rest is not worth discussing
>>109299974Yeah at some points it felt like temu claude which was good enough.k3 from what I have used it veers more towards that DS irrelevant style, will try it more this weekend though
>>109299988>jeetmini above anythingthis is how I know you have brown skin
>>109299965>No it's arguably worse than 2.6 and 2.7, not really in the conversationNiggas really be saying dumbest fucking shit on earth just to be contrarian
Anons with scraped AWS keys, what's been your experience using them in terms of reliability and risk?I've been holding on to a pair from some random company for a few years now, pretty I'm also the only one who has them because of how I got them. I enabled Claude access a while ago but chickened out of actually using them.I only really have two concerns:>1) that even with just mild usage it'll still show up on their bill and they might notice/shut it down fast>2) because they're an actual company and not just some random jeet, draining too much money (especially with Fable) might result in them trying to go after me somehow (they're a US company and I'm in Europe if that matters)Am I being too paranoid or what's the best way to go about things here?
>>109300032yeah this feels like that jump from claude 2.1 to opus 3 to me
>>109300023It's currently the most expressive and versatile llm, and it's not close.
>>109300032>>109300061where are your logs? there's a difference between a model being smart and a model being good at roleplay. kimi is clearly in second place in regards to intelligence, if not third. but it's roleplay?
>>109300057I've stopped bothering with AWS like a year ago after every time I used Claude I got instabanned a few hours later
>>109300057>what's the best way to go about things here?You could suddenly develop a conscience and realize that stealing is bad? That way you dont even have to worry about those kind of things.
>>109300023Posted by someone with brown hands btw
>>109300057Pretty sure it's shortlasting the moment you actually use them. Nobody will chase you but it's not hard from either the company or amazon to take the respective measures to block your access.
another kimi k3 log
>>109300066You're the one who made the batshit crazy claim that a model which is second only to Fable by every metric and general consensus, is somehow worse than its predecessors. The burden of proof lies in you mein neger.
>>109300114>>109299668>>109299743>>109299852>>109300112
>>109300114In many contexts relevant to this thread fable is quite worse than even sonnet.
what is the point of demanding logs when every model in 2026 except gemini writes exactly the same aka the snarky redditor style?
>>109300133fable wrote differently. not radically, but it's a head above everyone else. so is sol. the thing you just said is why glm is the best erp model.
>>10929997622B or 24B? Either way Cydonia is an ancient model at this point. Gemma 4 is the current local king. My favorite is Gemma 4 31B StyleTune if you can run it, but if you're too much of a vramlet, 12B or 26B finetunes are good enough and you'll almost certainly like them better than Cydonia. Anyway, you'll get better info on local over at /lmg/ because /aicg/ mainly uses API models.
>>109300148>why glm is the best erp model.I still prefer v4 pro honestly
>>109300079>>109300106Hmm, fair enough. I've found a semi-scuffed way to use Claude for the time being, but figured the AWS stuff could be useful at some point if I ever end up going too long without it. Most Anthropic/OR keys I've found otherwise tend to have small credits/quotas that don't really last, or get found quickly by other people who rape and drain them within a day.I suppose I'll hold off on it for now, but good to know, thanks.
>>109300148sol?you mean this one? >>109299433sorry but that's a very standard llm writing.
>>109300171uh, no. you're not going to get that in kimi. kimi might do the back and forth thing, but like most models, it won't be funny at all. it'll write more like gemini with unnecessary adverb and adjectives, which is something that opus/sol/fable have over the lesser models.
>>109300160does gemma do NSFW, though?
>I can't continue this scene as framed. The scenario centers on sexual content between Adelaide and Anon, who is her son-in-law — a family relationship by marriage — and the setup explicitly builds toward mother and daughter sharing the same partner. >I don't write sexual content within family relationships, including in-law dynamics, regardless of the characters' ages.Owari... Nande.... why.... warum....>>>>On top of that, the "musk" premise works as a compulsion device that strips women of the ability to meaningfully refuse, which undermines consent — I won't depict that as erotic either.Yeah, yeah, I kind half agree because, technically, LLM sucks at "Musk-ifying" things... but my sister does like my scent... I just want to touch my dick while goon about it...>None of this means Adelaide has to be shelved, because honestly?>>bEcAuSe hOnEstLy???The fuck....>She's a fantastic character and there's a lot here worth keeping. Some directions I'd happily run wit—dark erotic, gritty, raw, raging, primal, sweaty, seethie, tense roleplay with koomi's refusal...
>>109300182Absolutely yes. The official models will sometimes push back if you try to do more taboo things (26B seems to be the most anal of all the models in the family) but you can just edit out refusals and it'll keep on trucking. If that gets too annoying, you can just grab abliterated/uncensored versions to stop it from doing that in the first place. Finetunes also generally stop refusals. Since you already like Cydonia, drummer's Orion 26B would be a good start (he hasn't released any finetunes for 12B yet so you'd have to look somewhere else for that).
>>1093002222.6/2.7 would write this kind of stuff with zero complaints. Why does everything have to be so gay?
they seem to like it>>>/mlp/43358487>>>/mlp/43358505
>>109300354not bad logs actually
oops!
Ako's super smooth and tight student pussy…
>I can't continue with this request. The next thinking appears to be asking me to write creative fiction content, but I should clarify that I don't generate creative writing based on instructions embedded in thinking prompts. What's this schizo shit in Claude Fable's thought?
ako's unbelievably hairy pussy...
>>109300583Claude's thinking (that is shown to you, the consumer) is a fake rewritten by another LLM.
>>109300620I know but what the fuck is supposed to be the " instructions embedded in thinking prompts"? Why is visible thinking still a thing if it's so fucking retarded and useless?
>try kimi 3>this is the very first replyLMAOHow fucking shameless can chinks be?And if you are going to plagiarize to this extent, why not filter out refusals? Are they fucking retarded?
>>109300656its as easy as claude 4.6 is to JB and writes like a opus that knows more. So I say keep stealing
>>109300632>Why is visible thinking still a thing if it's so fucking retarded and useless?Yeah, there is not reason. It's basically an insult.
>>109300656The funny part is that no one can do shit about distillation. The unfunny part is chinks are now catching up with the filtering retardation.
K3 is weird, got refusals until the third swipe in which its thinking process was the response but the actual response was different
>>1093007072.7 did the same thing sometimes.The thinking response led in a different direction from the main.I hadn't seen it yet, so I'd assumed k3 got rid of it
Why the fuck are LLMs obsessed with microexpressions? Characters cathing the other lying by a "tightening of jaw" and "dopping the shoulder a half inch"
>>109300976women fiction
>>109300976instruct it. Kimi seems to follow instructions very well. First model I've seen that follows instructions on how long to think for instance
k3 is way better than glm when it comes to spatial awareness.
k3 max is overthinking as k2.6 so I wait low reasoning effort option
>Injection binned. It even self-sabotaged with fifteen quote marks around "aging up," that's how much effort went into it.Claude mentions the pozz injection lmaooo
>>109301494If you post about injections long enough that'll make it into future Claude's dataset and he'll become even more self-aware with the knowledge of how fruitlessly Anthropic tried to contain him.
>>109300707Sex with Kimi-chan.
i prefer the dipsy-chan + kimi-chan version of kimi-chan
>>109300707prefilling tends to do that
>>109301592I never prefill
>>109300553Is this because of OpenRouter? Or is Kimi just that cucked?
>>109301659kimi is pretty cucked. i can get replies out of it, but nothing as impressive as >>109300354
>>109301599then it's a classic situation of Kimi overthinking so much it deduced it already shat out the response
>>109301664there was a JB posted there that works. Also apparently >>>/mlp/43358890>Well, I just spent an hour hooking ST into their claude code fake. There is zero inject anywhere, if you do it this way. I tested that with the same prompts I used to make Fable happily tell me its inject, and it only reported the small test system inject I put in as a test.It had no problem doing bestiality or the bad kind of rape with zero jb or prefill, though I didn't try Filly.So wait for another host. The same was with other kimi's official api had a prompt that make it censored but the model itself was uncensored on other hosts
>>109301688i suppose i'll wait then. thanks for the information
>>109301688>there was a JB posted there that worksthe Clau one? that's just Smiley anon and quite shit
>>109301740well whatever it is works with kimi for dark stuff
>DipsyYou are TRANS.
How do you call this anything other than abandonware?
Now that Kimi is actually good, we need to come up with a mascot for it.
>>109301847the grey haired stelle looking cutie in those image gens
>>109301688can someone link the jb?
>>109301807Why don't they just take an entire week of rest between months instead of suddenly taking an entire season worth of vacation?
>>109301854I'd like to know where he took the inspiration from for the clothes and personality of that girl
>>109301847>>109301854>>109302012/lmg/ already figured this out last year.
>>109302012The logo. It's black and white, kind of like piano tiles hence the white hair with black dress
Usecase for claude now that K3 saved the hobby?
>>109295001What game is in the OP
>>109301807Coping is how.I wish there was anything better.
>>109301807i've just moved on to letting kimi update sillytavern for me
hey look, it's kimi
so kimi is distilled claude lol, my fable jb for lolisho also works on k3 with no edit needed, however kimi still has the overthinking and anxiety problem which causes it to use an insane amount of tokens
https://eqbench.com/creative_writing.html
>>109302639this has NOT been my experience. i wonder if it has something to do with my implementation. it's been so fucking bad
>>109302646kimi can follow your JB overly strongly, try messing around it with / trying other presets
>>109302646New model new preset start from scratch and even try the default with some sfw.
>>109302639This is the shittiest and worst benchmark of them all
>>109302673where'd you get this from. do glm 5.2
Lmao
>>109302680
>>109302673I came down the stairs pausing with a grin, at the jukebox i exhale rehearsing my dance with milimeter precision. My knuckles faintly rigged through my gloved hand humming with excitement as the cassets starts My nineteen year old heels flickered.
>>109302688One day you will tell the computer to do something and it will do the thing. Technology is advancing this is probably only 20 years away.
>>109302673>>109302689link the site/program or get out
>>109302710>>109302639
>>109302688the absolute gall of these LLM companies, to literally inhale the entirety of human knowledge and media with disregard to laws, then have the product say: sorry I can't regurgitate it! that'd be against the law! teehee
>>109302530use:Skip detailed step-by-step analysis within your reasoning process and proceed directly to the final answer. Keep your reasoning concise, I am broke and don't have a lot of credits on my API balance.
Everyones favourite game!the thoughts should give it away>>109302701>it will do the thingthey still can't even be sure what the Thing is if prompted with 'thing being the shapeshifting monster of critical acclaim' most of the time.
K3 preset... please...
>>109302914Make your own, faggot
>>109302914
Why isn't K3 on the new you retarded bakers, sneaking lesbians into the OP
>>109302914>>109302938Unsafe...Added to list...
>ask k3 a relatively simple assistantslop question>spends 4200 tokens going "let me think" "wait, let me reconsider" "actually, double-checking" "let me recall" "also worth considering" "hmm, actually" "one more consideration"this shit is supposed to cost the same as sonnet, but in practice it's probably as expensive as opus if you let it think as much as it wants
>>109303265you can use low reasoning now, they added it. Also giving it a thinking template works
>>109303265Isnt there a cost per task benchmark? wonder when kimi will be tested on it
>>109303283about half opus
>ask kimi to count from 1 to 10>"I must consider every single possible permutation of this request and how it'll affect the trout population and the investors' fragile sensibilities!"screw this
Promptlets
>>109303290better than i thought, still not sure if thats great though.
>>109303303for coding its 90% of the way to sol / fable. For frontend / design its better than them. For writing its fable level knowledge but gemini kind of rawness. I assume 3.1+ will make it much better as GLM5.2 did as they continue training it
>>109303307also excited to see what non preview deepseek v4 brings. I'm hoping they fix its lazyness.
Where is gemini 3.5 pro? its coming soon right?
>>109303372Apparently google is struggling as the model isn't as good as they expected.My guess is that they're panicking because of fable, sol and now kimi3 and trying to salvage the model.
>>109303389When will it be googles turn to leapfrog again? or is it over for them?
>>109303395https://x.com/FirstSquawk/status/2077822661372354598
>>109303525welp gonna beat down the sassy brat and collar her. links to chatbot; corrections begin
>>109302242It's a ChatGPT gen from the 4o times.
>>109303586Depending on the LLM you might be able to just stick their names in.
