we had these in the past before

>>109302076
>just pay humans to solve it for you instead of wasting tokens
Like the old days

use optical flow and solved

>>109302076
>doing clank work instead of owning a pass

>>109302076
You know they use captcha shit to train AI, right

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"Oh yeah just brute force this rsa-1024 public key to prove that youre a human" goofy ahh captcha

Here's an even easier captcha:
>digital private key id with verification (not identity) check
As soon as this gets introduced, literally all bot and spam problems get solved. No more 10 trillion bot accounts per user, no more samefagging, etc etc

>>109302111
Except now the captcha solving services have APIs your model of choice can use to autonomously bring wetware in.

>>109302248
Bonus points: no users from third world countries either because they usually don't even have an id

>>109302076
>calculate image velocity every frame
>give that as a video to the LLM

wow so hard

>>109302076
this is unironcically the easiest for humans to solve and bots can't do it

>>109302273
>and bots can't do it
Bots can do it easily.
There is no such thing as a captcha that is harder for bots than it is for humans at this point

>>109302291
find one that can see the letters in OP's video

>>109302076
Put it in kanji and then bring it over to 4chins.

>>109302351
99% are full blown larpers who would BOMB the JLPTN5. Including me.

Better captcha:
Q: What was Bill Clinton best known for putting in his mouth?
A: A saxophone
Q: What's the dumbest thing JFK ever did?
A: Marilyn Monroe

>>109302175
what's your point?

>>109302554
I would have answered titties for the first and Bay Of Pigs for the second.

Complete the analogy:
Q: Mickey Mouse : Minnie Mouse :: Dr. Evil :
A: Frau Farbissina

>>109302563
Take a hike clanker

>>109302304
autocorrelate frame n and n+1
subtract
tesseract single letters
done

it's a torture device for humans at this point.

Kek

>>109302076
>how long until it comes to 4channel?
As soon as they develop a bot than can solve it in 10 seconds they'll introduce it to 4chan, so they can finally be rid of the last organic users.

Q: Who's the most famous person born without a biological father?
A: Dolly the Sheep

>>109302591
this doesn't look like a bot finding the letters to me anon.

>>109302764
no. it's Jesus.

>>109302248
>ID
Fuck off bootlicking retard

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>>109302076
takes Opus 4minutes and 12k tokens. Fable rejects solving it.

>>109302076
Luddite chads win again.

>>109302789
Jesus' father is God, stupid idiot robot

Q: nigger
A: faggot

>>109302076
What if you are disabled in the eyes?

>>109302076
this one is pretty good because it current bots rely on screenshots to see shit.

Capchas will keep destroying clankers until AGI

>>109303190
the internet has been fucking hostile to disabled users for a while now

and AI is probably actually helping them deal with it on average

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>>109302836
so it costs $0.30 to solve under opus ($25/million tokens) under their subsidized pricing

>>109302818
Sneed cocksucking newfag
the ID will be the new norm

>>109302248
>it turns out some bot farm owners had connections in the ID registry
>they issued a few fake ID for them
If not in the west, then in corrupt shitholes
>inb4 just block them all lel
We can do so right now tho

>>109303663
There's no "subsidized pricing" you guys are such easy rubes. Anyways it's worse than that because it's mostly analysing the video with shell/python. It could turn that into a generic script that runs for fractions of a penny pretty easily.

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>>109302076
no more china bot

>>109302591
ok then do it lel

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i think there should be more optical illusion captchas

>>109302076
Anything that involves any variation of "type the characters in the box" will always be solvable by automation, wether by bots or outsourced to humans getting paid a dollar per thousand. The trick is using a captcha that can only be solved by the user having to make mouse or finger movements. Took 4chan a long fucking time to figure that out.

>>109303725
Make it a multiple choice question with "the legitimate government of China in exile" as the correct answer

>>109302351
Does Kanji have an alphabetical order? I'm sure it does because grep can likely sort a text file full of it based on its unicode code points or something but no human knows that

>>109302248
This goy is right.

>>109302076
better than the current ones

>>109302076
i very much doubt it will be that hard for them to come up with a cheap solution to this. having the visual snow be static on the letters vs moving in the background will probably be easy to isolate, as would having the snow move differently vs the background.

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>>109303779

>>109302554
Reminds me of the questions you had to answer before playing the old Larry Leisure Suit games

>>109302076
>I can't figure out how to automate this captcha
>therefore noone can
Why do people keep doing this? Why not just learn the slightest bit about computer vision?

>>109304201
Iirc most of models have vision engines that start with looking over a low res thumbnail of the image

>>109304213
I remember being super mad about those because they were nearly impossible for a non-American and Google didn't exist yet

>>109304184

I already did: >>109302591

>>109304254

ffmpeg -i 1784335716979541.mp4 -frames 2 %d.png
magick 2.png -chop 0x7 1.png -compose difference -composite -gaussian-blur 3x3 -black-threshold 5000 -white-threshold 6000 -negate -chop 40x70 -crop 250x140 -delete 1--1 3.png
tesseract --psm 10 3.png -

>>109302248
>create digital private key id with verification (not identity) check
>give it to my bot

>>109304242
Did you know there was a keyboard shortcut to bypass it? At least in some of them, dunno about the later ones. I only found out later and was pissed.
The VGA version of LSL1 calls you a cheater but it still works

>>109303702
so lets see it if its so easy

>>109303663
considering OP claims it takes their newest "Cyberweapon" smodel 100,000 but their previous model 12k I think you are missing the point

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>>109302076
How about this one?

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>>109304347
Nice, anon

>>109304347
>all of this straight up anti-human fuckery
>excused by NEEDING to defeat the evil AI's
>gets fully circumvented by FFmpeg and ImageMagick (not AI software)
Fucking poetic, anti-AI lunatics only want to make our lives worse as they've fully lost touch with reality.

>>109302076
easiest capcha it to ask the user to type: pageet nigger tiananmen square

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>>109302076
The company with the most talented engineers in the world uses this captcha on their careers page

>>109305561
How many humans can respond correctly?

>>109305324
Are you arguing for or against the usefullness of LLM ai?

>>109302098
as opposed to "in the past after"?

>>109302076
It isn't annoying enough, you have to get a pass eventually.
They yellow kike charge of 4chan made sure of that.
I personally never gave a cent to that gook.

>>109304347
wizard

>>109302076
the problem of captchas is not that LLM's can solve them, the problem is that 50 lines of python can solve them.

>>109302591
>>109304347
>>109305271
The >>109302779 >>109303762 dipshits owe you apology but they won't because their faggots

>>109304347
Yup, this "captcha" is fucking dead

>>109306045
apologize for what? asking for proof? you're the retard that just eats up the bullshit claims people make. get fucked faggot

>>109306153
Did you need proof for something so obvious you tech weenie dipshit?

>>109305789
I am arguing against the usefulness of all these "anti-AI technologies". They're being peddled by people who don't understand machine learning, they don't read any research papers that'd tell them everything they need to know, they don't understand how fast this technology develops and how they're basically three years behind with their "anti-AI" methods, or even further since these captchas don't need optical flow to be defeated. Decades old tools that are FFmpeg and ImageMagick can do some basic mathematical equations to figure out which way the noise is moving to defeat the captcha. So it's so useless you don't even need an advancement in machine learning algorithms to defeat it, but anti-AI lunatics will swear by shit like this because they don't think, they act. It's all emotional reactionary bullshit. Kinda like how drawfags ruin their shit with Glaze/Nightshade that has been proven to be useless in poisoning AI datasets, but they'll still swear by adversarial noise techniques that are as "harmful" as latent diffusion to do, because they have blind faith in the anti-AI technologies.

>>109302076
This hurts my eyes to even look at. Also, 99% of the time there will be an audio version because of muh accessibility, so any bots would just choose that instead.

>>109306355
>FFmpeg
It's not even doing anything significant in the commands that were posted. You could do it with imagemagick itself.

>>109306355
Also, yeah that's why techbros want digital ID.

>>109306355
>Glaze/Nightshade that has been proven to be useless in poisoning AI datasets
but it's been very useful in getting whitepaper citations up and clout among tech illiterate artists, ben zhao is swimming in laurels

>>109306320
yeah i never claimed to be a wizard you assumptive limp wristed pussy

>>109306474
It's a miracle you can read

>>109306489
get some friends

>>109306506
Fine, I'll call your mother back but you'll have to go stay with your dad

>>109306569
she's dead and you have no friends.

>>109306601
She just couldn't put up with you anymore and left

>>109306632
you're a dork. good bye

>>109306640
No come back, I need to talk about fucking your mother with you

>>109302257
acshually thirdies do have government mandated ID (often multiple IDs), often arresting people for not having ID
The US is the only country outside of african/arab failed states that somehow fails to have a national ID implementation

>>109305816
Would
>we had it before, in the past.
be correct?

>>109302076
Lukas Kanade can solve this bro. No need for AI

>>109306355
>wall of text reply
>avoids question to complain about unrelated people
Solve the captcha with an LLM. Otherwise, thank you for conceding you're peddling a non-answer to a solved problem.

>>109306355
>has been proven to be useless in poisoning AI datasets
>gets fine for putting non-obstructive marks on your license plate
Pick one, and only one.

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>>109302076

>>109306045
finding the letters isn't enough to solve that
reading comprehension has failed you

>>109307392
do you need more spoonfeeding, anon?
tesseract makebox

>>109302248
It should be an identity check—anonymity is a mistake: it allows criminals to do crimes.

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>>109303779

>>109307630
lossy compression modeled after human vision has similarities to optical illusions, isn't that fun?

Didn't take me that long to have ChatGPT shit out something that works good enough.

https://github.com/duinzand/NeoCaptchaSolver

It works really fast if you do it for a couple of frames, a full video takes significantly longer. But I doubt that's necessary for solving the captcha. Because you can just take two points in time of the video, calculate those and have the bot click at those points in the video.

I only tested it on 2 examples, if other anons have more examples (or know sites that actually use this captcha) I could optimize it further.

>>109302076
All my devices except one are range banned. I'm about done with this shit hole tbqh

>>109306474
If you dont understand technology then why are you so assertively claiming that a bot cant do it? Everybody that understands programming understands that its not advanced to make a bot that can solve this. If you're retarded then simply dont make statements you cant back up.

>>109302248
Holy shit why is there so many propaganda bots here

>>109302248
>pay 5000 indians for accounts registered to their ID
Nothing personell, chud

>>109302076
You can make a generalized solver for this in like 15 minutes

>>109306355
> Kinda like how drawfags ruin their shit with Glaze/Nightshade that has been proven to be useless in poisoning AI datasets,

Yeah i think about this a lot. I've seen some artists absolutely ruin their work with these noise generators. It's not stopping ai trainer but it is absolutely spoiling their work for human eyes. Totally pointless and just sad

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>>109302076
I posted a thread with a similar idea a few months ago >>108103959 so blame me

>>109303912
There are a few ways to sort kanji, but it's usually by radical (a common set of strokes often related to the meaning) and then stroke order and onyomi reading. There's also the more modern SKIP method that relies on how the kanji strokes are organized and stroke count.

>>109303725
Isn't Taiwan the island and Republic of China the country, like how Great Britain is the largest of the British Isles but the country is United Kingdom?

>>109302248
Kill yourself

>>109305156
I might be stupid or this captcha is shit
I'm only seeing 6Y8

>>109302591
this
>omg ai can't solve this legacy captcha

>>109310426
The 2.

>>109302076
Wait how does this work behind the scenes? I'm assuming it has to be an mp4 or webm video that's being played. Couldn't someone instead of feeding an AI the frames, analyze the video file itself? The background is all moving in one direction at the same speed, and modern video compression will detect that motion and encode it in the file. Similarly with the letters moving different directions.

>>109303779
AI image recognizers fall for optical illusions too, though sometimes different ones than we do. Maybe instead use 'adversarial images' as captchas, the ones where it's clearly a picture of a cat but its pixels have been rustled in a way that makes most AIs detect it as a gun or whatever.

>>109309650
This is very easy to defeat, just color any pixel that doesn't change black and any pixel that changes white.

>>109302076
Our greatest ally will just outlaw its use

>>109310567
Or more likely get free or deeply discounted passes. Users with a pass don't need to do captchas.

>>109310559
>This is very easy to defeat, just color any pixel that doesn't change black and any pixel that changes white.
Even the smallest hoop stops a lot of spam. Still I think the best way to sort it would be to put more effort into tracking down, arresting, and anally-raping those behind spambots.

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>>109302591
>>109304254
>>109310481
also, the op, the skeptical comments to >>109304254 and the whole discussion shows just how retarded /g/ population has become if most posters couldn't immediately see the trivial algorithm for solving this

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>>109309650

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>>109306375
if you had access to the browser canvas then you wouldnt even need imagemagick
though itd probably still be a lot less effort to just call `ctx.getImageData`, store JPEGs temporarily, and use imagemagick

>>>>109310739
do you wear snap together glasses?

>>109305561
This is Apple, right?

>>109302076
>>109309650
>>109311231
The only real anti-AI captchas are ones that require multiple steps.
What kills agents is taking multiple steps on a reasoning harness. Forcing them to press buttons and correlate what happens between phases is what blows up token counts.
That's why 4chan's captcha is a great example, if it isn't bastardized by scripts.

>>109315457
See https://arcprize.org/arc-agi/3
literally unsolvable by any AI agent. You could use something like this as a captcha. Play a game that requires 50 complex logic steps. Costs you $70 for the easiest, impossible in higher difficulties.

>>109313618
did you buy new switches for your mechanical keyboard

how the hell are the frames generated? what computer has time to generate a trillion billion frames and find which ones animate to have floating letters?

>>109302150
>Giving your financial and personal information to a company thats already had massive data leaks.

>>109315631
yes. thanks for asking

>>109302076
Feels like this needs the background dots to be variable speed