>>109302145
>that's why speakers have more distortion than 5$ pos iems.
>and that's one of the reasons why iems are much easier to EQ to whatever target and everything is literaly the FR.
I dunno how this simple fact is lost on ballzo... maybe we should try explaining it in terms of balls not sticks?

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Not everyone can EQ.

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>>109302159
Speakers have actual problems beyond FR and THD but chatgpt never told ballzo about them.

/iemg/ Dogma Check
Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:

>Crinacle is not your priest.
Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.

>Harman and JM-1 ≠ perfect.
It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.

>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.
Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.

>Graphs are not sound.
They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.

>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.
Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.

>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.
If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.

>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.
Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.

>Loud posts =/= smart takes.
Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.


This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.

>>109302159
>>109302193
>don't mind me just replying to myself larping as another anon.
we're off to a bad start already with this thread.

>>109302195
>Panning is balls
Panning isn't balls.

The future is dynamic EQ filters applied per genre, or per song even

>>109302208
Really dropped the ball huh.

>>109302208
stop projecting

>>109302214
pretty sure you can EQ per song already

>>109302234
Ain't no way

>>109302208
>always pure projection with you
>you don't understand and you lie. that's all you do.

>>109302159
If a song needs dynamic eq it wasn't made properly, it's the artist's job to provide dynamic range.

>>109302044
the opposite failure mode would be to refuse equivalence even if its been reached i guess. sorry if i made it slightly personal, i sometimes feel like i have to defend my own xp talking to people on here but you didn't really speak over it like that. i will look at stuff posted

>>109302252
how songs are made is in general a real clusterfuck so it is always a possibility
either way it doesn't matter as much as properly tuned IEMs

I've only ever seen people with dogshit FRs complain that they hear "all the flaws in the recording". Curious.

>>109302281
And the solution is sparse bullshit music that leaves much room to the imagination of course.

>>109302269
>refuse equivalence even if its been reached i guess
that's why blind tests exist

>>109302281
>>109302300
samefag and also imagine believing that you need expensive pos to ear the technicalities but that somehow a pos would make you ear flaws (which is also technicalities / details).

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Please refer to the charts.

>>109302329
Techs are low quality. Vinyl, r2r, tubes, meme drivers, wacky FRs. Low quality is expensive.

Someone ask listener and goldensound about techs at canjam

>>109302281
>I've only ever seen people with dogshit FRs
meaning?

>>109302352
listener is very funny. he basically reintroduced techs after eliminating them with their in-ear and HRTF measurements

>>109302361
Bright nobass bullshit.

>>109302352
>goldensound
Genuinely what is his value other than exposing MQA. He's just talking nonsense about DACs.

>>109302193
There's also a couple of IEMs with genuinely fucked up waterfalls but chatgpt didn't tell him about those either.

>>109302361
looked in a mirror

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brb picking up a storm(with eq)

Bass boost knob+negative pregain is the only fun factor test for pos that even matters.

imagine being mindbroken by a simple fact that you don't need to pay thousands of dollars for a good sound because you can just EQ (and the fact that sound quality does not correlate with price in the first place)

>>109302985
You don't get it. You pay thousands for bad sound. To get distortion that went extinct in consumer products decades ago.

>>109302842
I agree

anything new hyped for around 300USD? Should i try crinear reference? Or i was thinking about cayin ru9. Aune AR5000MK2 also was on my list. Because im left only with 1 iem, 1 headphone and 2 amps (dap and desktop combo)
What would u buy to around 300USD, it could be more than 1 thing?
Other thing im thinking about is microtech scarab 2 gen 3 with tanto blade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e96Xm3F2b8Q

>>109303615
This nigga made a target brighter than Harman and it gave him tinnitus, completely worthless opinion.

>>109302842
Pos should be tested for maximum bass SPL like subwoofers. Bass is where the intuition for volume breaks down. You can get to like 140dB before it starts being damaging.

>iem sounds dull and boring
>increase the volume a bit
>iem sounds amazing now
Why fiddle with EQ when you can just increase the volume?

messaged the EPZ official store with the image and shell I want so hoping they get back to me with an estimate or something. hoping this isnt a waste of time cause these iem's look pretty good custom

>>109304854
Which model of iems you gettin tho
Do they do custom faceplates for every model they sell?
Whatchu putting in them? :3

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>>109304881
G10's and I messaged one storefront but they said it had to be done by the official store so they gave me like 3 pictures to pick the faceplates etc. going with the God Gaymer on clear Red shells

does iemg have a man on the inside at canjam? he should livestream goldensound and listeners seminar

>>109304910
yayayayayaya

>>109302270
As EQ you mean

>>109303472
You can just use some distortion dsp.

Bought OnePlus Buds Pro 3 and they sound great out of the box, even better with an EQ, but they come with bonkers 300-400ms latency on my phone. Tried Earfun Air Pro 4+ which supposedly sound pretty good but I personally didn't enjoy the tuning out of the box. They sound better after an EQ but I still don't really like them, plus the frequency response changes when you enable ANC like my WF1000XM4s did which is annoying. Also tried Liberty 4 NC and they do sound a little better than the Earfuns but still not as good as the OnePlus Buds Pro 3 and the transparency mode sucks.

What do I buy now? All I care about is audio quality, ANC/transparency and battery life. I'm eyeballing Oppo/Realme earbuds but there's a million different models and I'll have to deal with AliExpress returns if I don't like something.

>>109305909
Since you're posting for the third time I'll bite. The natural upgrade path is probably Galaxy Buds4 Pro or latest Sony ones. Or Apple ones if you want to change your whole lifestyle and become an iToddler. Tho the Samsung also requires and ecosystem shift for best performance if you weren't already using a Samsung phone. Sony is the most compatible

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Hello audio nerds, I come bearing a question.
I want to buy something like the Sennhieser HD 600 headphones (not sold on that specific model but you get the idea). From what I've been reading I need something that can drive 300 ohms comfortably.
Now the issue is, I already own a Scarlett Solo 4th gen because I run my guitar and mic through it, but quick research indicates it won't be powerful enough to directly run the headphones. That's fine. I'll buy an amp.

Now, how the hell do I chain the Scarlett and the amp (Atom Amp+, FiiO K7, etc.) together so I can still monitor my guitar through the headphones, but have the amp power the phones? Scarlett has Line Out, amps have Line In. So, 1/4" Mono to RCA, then connect the headphones to the amp input?

I just want to avoid spending $1000 and finding out I can't monitor my instrument while it's powered by the amp.

>>109306133
>>>/hpg/
also buy IEM's

>>109306133
You don't need that much power. You could literally run it off a $5 dongle if you wanted to.
Also get 650 instead of 600

>>109306148
>>>>/hpg/
Isn't one. Otherwise wood. Knowledgable anons in this thread so thought I'd run my luck.
>>109306158
>You don't need that much power. You could literally run it off a $5 dongle if you wanted to.
I don't remember asking. There's enough conflicting information on joogle that I'd rather just buy the amp. I'm not poor, I'll just buy the thing and not have to second guess it.
>Also get 650 instead of 600
Not set in any particular monitors, but I'll keep this in mind, thanks.

>>109306180
>I don't remember asking
>From what I've been reading I need something that can drive 300 ohms comfortably.
What the fuck???

Smartest headpos user.

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>>109306206
Let me rephrase.
I don't care about some cheapshit inline aliexpress special for $5. I listed desktop amps in the $200+ range and that's what I intend to buy, if anything.
You're telling me I don't need that much power then that's fine, but I'd rather just buy something capable now in case I ever get even more demanding headphones.
And that's IF this combination even works, which is what I really wanted an answer for.

>>109306256
You just don't buy headpos. Ever.

>>109306256
just get the q5k or trn black pearl or any tanchjim dongle
if you want a desktop stack, go ahead. just know they are inconvenient and provide no benefit over cheaper and more portable dongles

>>109306256
They work fine even from MacBook air socket. U can use pretty much random dongle to power them fine. More powerful dongles will be more than enough. I wouldn't spend more than 100usd on amp for them unless... Unless u are planning going balls deep into audio hobby and buy more headphones, IEMs.

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>pay more
>get worse sound quality
An audiophile classic.

>>109305909
Airpods pro has unbeatable ANC/transparency if that matters most to you, with good enough sound. However if you use it at the gym or while running, it'll die in maximum 2 years. Normal airpods will crackle within a few months in the same scenario, avoid those.

hd650 is nice as a palate cleanser but is too low test for me. i need physicality scale and good slam

>>109306256
hd600 has not been considered a demanding headphone for like 10 years. It's the low impedance low sensitivity planars that need amps now. High impedance is a safeguard against current clipping, the worst thing that could possibly happen with them is them not playing loud enough.

>>109306348
Focal

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>>109306269
I own a pair of IEMs. They're good on the go. I want comfy headpos when I'm at home sorry.
>>109306272
I'll keep those in mind but I'd rather have something with scalability. Planars are interesting in theory for that matter.
>>109306324
From what I read, MacBooks have excellent DACs on their 1/8" socket and are the exception, not the rule. Too many people online saying these Scarletts are not great for driving headphones above 200 ohms.
>>109306357
>the worst thing that could possibly happen with them is them not playing loud enough
Which is what I'm reading basically everywhere. I really just wanted to know if I could chain shit together and it all work before buying anything, but it looks as if I'm not going to get an answer here. Oh well.

>>109306403
>I'll keep those in mind but I'd rather have something with scalability
they will get plenty loud enough, if you max out on any of these devices you are deaf or in the process of becoming deaf

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>>109306403
Just buy newest desktop thing from chinks brands like fiio or toping. I think r2r will be too dark for hd650 so I would avoid them. For dongles probably even jcally will be enough but if u willing to pay more choose more powerful dongles, don't know meta, maybe crinear protocol max

>>109306448
>>109306272
So I just get a 6.35mm to USB-C TRS cable to connect a dongle then plug the phones into the 3.5mm Out? That'll just werk(tm)?
If they're so cheap I guess I can just keep that for the IEMs if I ever get a desktop stack to replace it.

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Xixtas... Bunny G(oon)
Omg !

>>109306915
Sennheiser's 6.35 has 3.5 inside, just unscrew it.

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>>109307061
you're thinking of old ones

>>109307085
Or u can look into new models, 480 pro and 490 pro, not bad choice either

what a terrible no good thread

>>109307137
Make it good anon.

Space II is pretty gud.

cozy thread time, post muzika
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3P9wB0NWNU

Tanchjim mino vs Moondrop space travel 2? Which has better battery life and potentially longer lasting? Unfortunately can't use wired iems with my handheld device.

>>109307501
moondrop pudding has a better battery

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>>109307513
It's so fat though, can't even fit in their model's ears. I'm gonna be wearing in public and I don't wanna look like a doofus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro_jtyga4oI

>>109307524
all that matters is the stem. fwiw it has a shallow to medium depth fit which sucks for me because i need deep insertion or else i hear channel imbalance. really finicky for me specifically

>>109307643
>all that matters is the stem.
>for me
>for me specifically

>>109307736
>all that should matter to you is what matters to me.
you thought I was being rude?

>>109307375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO36Trj3cC8

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>>109307643
Depth fit doesn't matter when the issue is how big the main body is. No one likes it when the body protrudes out, and the depth really doesn't matter much for it.

>>109302143
What is the best Android flac player with multiband eq? I was using Musicolet but the EQ is shit and doesn't have Q-factor.

>>109308468
Poweramp

will you buy the new ribbon headpos? https://flowztone.hk/

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enjoying my new GoldenSound TWS

>all tws dies out in 1-2 years
>paying over $100 for one
IMAGINE

>>109309712
>IMAGINE
pass what you're smoking this way, please

I hear it doesn't have eq. curious

>>109306451
If I pull that off, will he die?

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>>109310086
it would be extremely painful

>>109308468
>Musicolet but the EQ is shit and doesn't have Q-factor.
from what I gather, if you really need PEQ you can still set it to route audio thru an external app like Poweramp EQ or Wavelet.
it's still a great app for music, nonetheless.

>>109310264
poweramp eq is not great

just got my linsoul hype 4s in, they sound worse than my tanchjim bunnies wtf is this bullshit
did i get scammed??

>>109310264
>>109310527
Wavelet or equalizer314
Maybe I'll make my EQ work on android if i feel fancy.

>>109310527
>not great
to you. it offers a pretty decent PEQ, all things considered. what do you suggest?
>>109310562
show pic of them side by side, I'm curious about the shell and nozzle differences

>>109310699
>to you. it offers a pretty decent PEQ, all things considered. what do you suggest?
no not to him
https://youtu.be/deIFCnfRPOs?t=719
it is very bad

>>109310562
by retards who think that price = sound quality yeah

>>109310264
Poweramp EQ is not super accurate as other anons have pointed out.
>>109310634
Wavelet is good from what I've seen, EQ314 is lacking from my own testing. Low frequency mismatch is common in these types of system wide EQ, not much you can play around with on Android.
>>109310699
Personally, I only use player PEQs, these have the best possible results. If that's not ideal, I have my own portable PEQ-able devices. None of the universal PEQs have, to my standards, "great" accuracy.

i've found throughout my years in audio that price tend to correlate somewhat with quality

>>109306928
just got my Ola 2's today and I like em, havent EQ'd yet but so far default settings they are good for music. looking forward to Bunny G and the other ones not shown

>>109310846
enjoy them for a week or so before touching EQ, if you can

>>109310833
well you are objectively wrong

>>109310833
not everything sounds like its price but many sets do just that, even punching above their price points. most consumers couldn't tell the difference anyway
>>109310861
nta, but there are objectively 0 iems <$20 that get universal praise for technicalities iems 4x the price barely start to get.

>>109310883
>nta, but there are objectively 0 iems <$20 that get universal praise for technicalities iems 4x the price barely start to get.
poorly defined "universal praise" for poorly defined "technicalities" is not how you establish an objective truth

>>109310915
poorly defined objective truth doesn't make the opposite true, which at least is valued more than poorly defined skepticism.

comfort is poorly defined so no chairs are more comfortable than others

>>109310963
taste is poorly defined, so no fast food fried chicken is better than another.

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>>109310699
dont get me started on the size, feels like i could fit two of the bunnies inside this massive troll shell
>>109310747
i thought id splurge a bit on a what a lot of people call a reasonable endgame, im so fucking disappointed and mad right now
>>109310883
i thought hype 4 was supposed to have good techs, i feel lied to
i am genuinely starting to wonder if people have actually listened to this shit or if they are just mindless sheep following a deaf shepherd

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My IE600s are suddenly muffled and quiet in the left one I don't know what to do I might actually cry wtfff

>>109311029
>metal shell
>1DD pos that need a high impedance mesh
Recipe for disaster. Suck on the nozzle and keep in a box with silica. Pray to the heavens that it works, if not use the warranty or bitch about it to support.
Might also be some weird driver failure, something Sennheiser is infamous for.

>>109311002
>massive troll shell
Yeah that's how super high driver count iems are.
My Hydros would irritate my ears from their size but my ears adapted and I don't really get annoyed by fit anymore with those. my ZSX has a bunch of drivers in it too but at least the shell is molded for comfort galore, and the son of a bitch costs less.

>>109311029
probably just moisture, let it dry and it will likely be fine after a sleep

>>109310978
bro you can eq any shitty stale dropped-on-the-floor wing to godliness with the right herbs and spices

>>109311366
CR (crispiness response) and CCD (cumulative crispiness display) plots say otherwise. you own 0 chickens

when will we get budget IEMs that measure HRTF and have built in EQ

I boughted the dyson ontrac

>>109306332
fiio r2r?
>>109309507
>>109309712
ive seen people complaing about killing cables in IEMs every few months and for them wireless is just better
>>109311595
airpods exists

>>109310956
did chatGPT tell you that?

>>109311002
>mindless sheep following a deaf shepherd
exactly
techs simply can not be some objective property of a headphone. it's a result of interaction of headphone and your anatomy + psychoacoustics

>>109311702
no. but I accept your concession tho

>>109311029
why is it always the left side I wonder

>>109311799
it starts with the audio mix. can't have good imaging if the audio doesn't call for it first.

>>109311800
Well it's much worse if you came up with that retarded post yourself.
Did you actually conduct a survey of "universal tech praise" before you posted or you just shitting retardation out of your ass?
Just wondering

>someone says $20 pos has more techs than $400
>literally no one can disprove this statement
uh techbros??

>>109311807
irrelevant
are you buying mixes or are you buying IEMs? dumbass

>>109311815
>someone says microwave pizza has more flavor than expensive wood oven pizza
>literally no one can disprove this statement
uh tastebros?

>>109311826
>comparisons using food
>food is inherently non-objective and an absolute subjective field
>audio is subjective
>techs are subjective
this can't be...

Stupid food analogies... I can not...

I love diversity and the food in my vibrant city

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So any progress on step 1?

>>109311844
is it AI argument vs AI argument time?

>>109311874
Concession?
Accepted.

>>109311879
woah woah woah you can't just throw that term around like you instantly win. was a suggestion anyway, you know it sounds fun.

simplest battle would be Chu vs Aria. no brainer. those two EQd to the same exact target would still sound different A/B'd

>>109311882
Other AIs get debunked by toddlers, this AI still hasn't lost a single argument.
Up to you, but let it be known that your concession was and always will be accepted.

>>109311889
>EQd to the same exact target
>still missing the point after all this time
ngmi

>>109311889
>those two EQd to the same exact target would still sound different A/B'd
because FR at the eardrum is different.
Now if you EQ them to sound the same by ear... they will sound the same
fucking retard.

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Looking for a PMP player that ticks the following boxes please:
> Can play from folder (all my playlists are organised by folder)
> Has a search function
> Can queue songs
> Preferably no WiFi or Android/Apple OS

I've been getting by with the Sony NW-A55 but not being able to search and queue songs is getting to me and I don't want to go back to a smart phone.

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Is it normal (or used to be in older pos) that there is asymmetry between L and R nozzles? I autistically compared several reviews and it seems to be the case with this specific set, random placement of exits. To my ear it sounds balanced in sweeps, but it's the first time I see it after going through 15+ pos. I don't have measurement rig.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNGWVBlmsm0

>>109311945
U can buy android DAP and use it without wifi or any online interactions. There u have more choice and for example Poweramp works fine with folders library, I use it that way. In general Android players have more mature UI and they are not that much more expensive
Cheaper will be something with hiby os like hiby r1 or r3 but I don't think they are that good with larger folders libraries

>>109311826
bro just put the right herbs and spices on that burnt microwaved fell-on-a-soiled-bathroom-floor-toppings-side-down mouldy pizza and it'll taste better than wood oven trust me bro

According to /iemg/ you can remove harmonics with EQ to have perfect sound but no one does it.

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>have android tablet for media consoooomption
>when listening at low volume I can hear that quiet hummmmmmm during silent part of the songs
>get a USB-C DAC to elimiante it
>the humm is still there even when using the DAC
>plug in the DAC to Win10 PC
>no low volume humm at all, the exact same file plays noticeably better
Fuck Xiaomi and their fuckass imaginary fucktard audio resampling system or whatever the fuck they have running in the background I never knew such fuckery is possible

>>109312137
meanwhile, according to /iemg/, bitperfect is for faggots and resampled to hell and back EQtrannyfaggotry is the purest audio experience there is

>>109312177
stop being retarded. android being fucking garbage with how it handles audio has fuck all to do with anything and EQ especially

>>109312137
>>109312193
funnily enough, my android Sony TV has absolutely attrocious low volume humm on the 3.5mm port BUT when I use the exact same USB-C DAC the humm is completely gone, just like listening on Win10 PC.
So I guess it just depends on each Android device...

>>109312137
>>109312206
I'd say it's more of an electric and aplification part problem than os.

>>109312137
I wouldn't be surprised if they ran in background some sort of enchantment algorithm like with screens where instead of neutral color they usually crank saturation and contrast to extreme. And that algorithm works only with internal speakers or wireless earbuds

>>109310785
>Low frequency mismatch is common in these types of system wide EQ
That's mostly a poweramp EQ issue afaik.

>>109312177
>he thinks eq needs resampling
retard

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>>109312088
What dogshit IEM did you buy that you need to remove harmonics from it? Something over $20 I presume? Rookie mistake.
>>109310833
Price is inversely correlated to quality >>109306332

>>109311807
Bringing up mixes in techs discussions is setting yourself up to fail when you get to the soundstage discussion. Because soundstage is about different widths on mixes that don't have spatial information at all. Not like you aren't failing already. IEMs can only affect mixes in ways EQ can affect mixes. And if you think EQ can't affect mixes you're just laughably wrong.

>>109312670
one chair wobbles 0.2 mm and and other 0.6 mm. the first chair is the better chair. things like comfort is poorly defined and therefore irrelevant/null

>>109311002
Just EQ them to sound better than buns.
Problem = solved

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>>109312797
IEM comfort > whatever you consider "sound quality", correct. But lets take a look at the comfort of kilobuck IEMs...

>>109312810
obviously comfort in my analogy is literally everything else that cant be clearly measured. iem size can though so it makes sense you bring it up. and you're right that more expensive iems are generally heavier. this doesn't mean much for my claim though, i never said there weren't exceptions (like with your worlds biggest iem there) or that the relationship between price and quality was smooth or linear

>>109312957
hmm how about trying to talk like a normal human instead of using retarded analogies for everything?
just a thought

>>109312957
You take things that are FR in a trenchcoat and say they can't be clearly measured. You don't understand how they are FR so you assume it's debatable. Some of the things you said aren't FR were known to be FR before audio recordings even existed.

>>109313005
low thd establishes low thd, it doesn't establish that it exhausts sound quality or that price is inversely correlated with quality. you never explicitly said that but its reasonably implied imo. basically its compression, where only the most concrete and legible properties are valid and everything else is nulled

>>109313079
THD was brought up in response to harmonics, keep up.

>>109313079
The post about inverse quality linked a video where a more expensive PMP has worse noise floor. Other things decrease in quality with the price too :)

>>109313138
ah so it's not just transducers. if theres a expensive pmp out there with a worse noise floor (which definitely means that the player in question is overall worse but also representative). spending money in audio generally seems to hurt you it seems

i better sell gear i own before the market catches on and it depreciates. already ordered some primo shitbuds and a cute dongle. thank you iemg i was blind but now i see

>>109313225
Oh, but it's not just the noise floor that's worse :)

>>109313292
every single thing could get worse and he would still think the price is justified somehow, or that it's an exception to the rule(but wouldn't name something better at this price).

sound quality is not correlated with price literally for everything not just IEMs

>>109313350
Diminishing returns is the same type of delusion as singularity. Nothing in real life works like that. There's simply a product that is "the best" and everything above and below it is worse. A New York pizza made with the most expensive ingredients will not be better than a $5 pizza from Naples, if we're going by food analogies.

>>109313331
of course not. my claim is just that there seems to be some correlation between price and quality. i could even qualify it and say it's weak and noisy, but there. many expensive products can be insultingly shitty, and the value of some very cheap stuff extreme. which can justify keeping only cheap stuff even if you acknowledge price and quality are somewhat related, but that isn't your position. no, you insist on insisting- it has to be on average worse if you pay more. that is a extremely strong claim

>>109313492
>my claim is just that there seems to be some correlation between price and quality
your claim is wrong there is none
>if you acknowledge price and quality are somewhat related
there's no need to acknowledge that as it was proven to not be the case
>it has to be on average worse if you pay more. that is a extremely strong claim
that would also be a correlation between price and quality and there is none

>>109313492
>average
My claim is much stronger. I say that every single expensive IEM is worse $20 pos. You can only hide behind exceptions for so long. Name 1 exception that is better, not worse than average. Then we can talk about averages.

>>109311977
I've only seen this in customs for obvious reasons. Looks quite shoddily built, not just the asymmetry.

>>109312670
>remove harmonics
So instruments are bad then?

>>109313671
idk, ask him >>109312088

>>109313412
But a naple pizza made with quality ingredients is better than a $5 naple pizza

Why does Deadmaus own hundreds of synthesizers when you can just EQ them to sound the same?

>>109313715
He's a gearfag.

>>109313700
actual analogy would be if they are made from same quality ingredients but one is expensive

>>109313700
It's already defined as having the best ingredients. It needs to use approved tomatoes, flour, everything. Using other ingredients will make it worse. No matter how much they cost.

>>109313715
Why can't you simply learn what EQ is or does.

>>109313715
deadmau5 is an idiot if you follow the /iemg/ mantra

>heh, why don't use EQ for *a thing that IEMs don't affect*
What is this mental illness called? An IEM is not a synthesizer, or a mixing console, or an effect pedal. It converts voltage to air pressure. Pretty obvious stuff.

a $5 IEM is better than an expensive IEM
a $5 Pizza is better than an expensive Pizza

but suddenly a $5 synthesizer is not better than an expensive synthesizer

>>109313797
A $5 pizza is better than an expensive synthesizer.

>>109313715
Even better, u can use Serum or any other digital synth basically for free. Looks like deadmau5 could save millions of dollars if he would go with iemg rules. Jeets probably make same music like him but with Suno free trial. Don't be deadmau5 of IEMs

I think the funniest part is that he legitimately thinks he's making a good argument lmao

>>109313965
jeet music that earns him several houses, lambos and synthesizers?

>>109314147
The best composers died in poverty.

>>109307375
https://soundcloud.com/bassrush/benda-millions-11-ft-ryster-4

>>109307375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbQjHb8iaMc

>>109313797
you can vibe code your music to perfection for free

everything is in the spectrogram

>>109311029
It's still not any better overnight ;_;
I'm going to try to dip the mesh in a mm of isopropyl alcohol

do you think they wrote this about eq?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4q3-KsmCb8

>>109314753
fix it with EQ?

It's probably the last place to ask, did anyone of BAbros pick Dunu SA6mk2 over Ziigaat Luna? I know Luna is objectively better iem but I will probably keep Dunu beacause of tuning and get rid of Ziigaat - too many too similar sounding pos.

>>109315186
>objectively better
eqsisters wtf

>>109315235
>eqsisters
>graphs similarly to Top Pro
>sounds nothing like it
uhmm

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the teacup has shattered. the false reality could not be sustained indefinitely. after some eq the edc pro far surpasses singularity. to remaining audiofools: some of you have not yet understood what is happening. you will. our hobby is about to reorganize itself in major ways and totl brands will die in two weeks. sell your gear while the old valuations still hold. this is the end of the road for me as there is nothing left to improve. goodbye

>>109315241
uhhh err EAR CANAL!

>>109315241
In a sighted test even two cables sound different. Why are audiotoddlers just now discovering this.

If you believe in techs, you must believe in audiofool products such as magic crystals, cable purity, and teleportation tweaks.

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trolling softly

>>109315603
imagine not being able to afford Aful Cantor and shitposting out of frustration

you'll eq $2 shitbuds and you'll be happy

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>>109315660
who pranked you into raping your ears with this nozzle?

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>>109315697
This nozzle meme is seriously overdone. What next, citing Jays review about headaches?

>>109312755
still didn't refute my claim.
just a bunch of
>"hurr durr bringing up X in Y discussions is like sooo dumb wow"
>"you're just like going to fail"
>*discusses the topic a little bit*
>"but you're failing the conversation anyway lol"
>if you think EQ can't affect mixes you're just laughably wrong.
I never said EQ can't affect what's already baked into an audio mix.
shut the fuck up

A $500 apartment is better than a $3M mansion

>>109315760
Is there something inside IEMs other than FR that affects imaging, yes or no. Any answer other than that is an automatic concession accepted with no (You).

Notice how techzos never bring up any sort of data?
The best they could manage?
Forum opinions from "audiophiles" that can't differentiate cables from mud and nonsensical analogies

>>109307375
Only real music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yXdpVCmTGc

>>109313927
>damn, that audio thing isn't working out for me, let's talk about pizza instead

Senh HD480 Pro or Meze Strada (slightly used with good price). I think like 480 pro is safe bet but Meze looks nice and as we know from ai generated anime child faceplates looks is everything

>>109315808
>Any answer other than that is an automatic concession
already setting yourself up for failure. tsk tsk
I'll take your concession, thank you very much

you claimed that if something is more expensive it's worse than something cheap

>no data to prove that more expensive is better than cheap
>a lot of data that shows cheap is just as if not better than more expensive
data wins, not old deaf forum dweller "reviews" (shill campaigns)

>>109315866
Meze is like the only headpos manufacturer that gives a shit about comfort so I'd get that. Always makes me laugh when I see a reviews and it says they can only wear them for a couple of hours. But since it's summer and it's closed back it'd still be pretty bad.

>>109307375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYr6ckOUDqg
bonus points if you tell me what's wrong with first 30-45s of this track. It's not a trick question.

a 5090 is worse than a 1080ti because it's expensive

>>109307375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kWryRdJMOA
Is there anything like Morphine, with baritone sax, bass and drums? Aside from "totally not morphine" bands that sing's same songs as morphine.

>>109315808
whether or not
>imaging is a property of speakers
>if imaging can be explained only by FR
>if there are measureable non-FR properties that contribute
>whether human anatomy and psychoacoustics matter
none of these are the same question. refute my claim before you bitch and moan

>>109315850
nobody is noticing you

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2 concessions for the price of one, nice.

>>109315914
>false
>how?
>data
you must have the thickest skull of all time

>>109315908
>Meze is like the only headpos manufacturer that gives a shit about comfort
the senny is lighter and has velour earpads

>>109315928
thanks for handing them to me without engaging.
carry on

>>109315932
Not always better. The clamp and the headband matter more.

>>109315944
good thing the 480 doesn't have a strong clamp either

>>109315917
>imaging is a property of speakers
for iems, it's a property of the recording. can be influenced by FR, which is a property of the transducers
>if imaging can be explained only by FR
define imaging in a measurable, objective way. you can't
>if there are measureable non-FR properties that contribute
isolation/occlusion/fit/other shit not correlated with price
>whether human anatomy and psychoacoustics matter
sound localization is entirely a matter of psychoacoustics but you're too retarded to understand

>>109315909
and PS: you need a high quality DAC and pos with good detail retrieval to be able to answer correctly so 3/4 of this thread can just give up. Lossless version makes it easier but it's doable with this link.

>>109315967
I need a high quality dac to listen to youtube videos?

>>109315908
>>109315944
>>109315932
i dont have problems with higher clamp or weight
I'm afraid of the high frequencies on Strada that some reviews complain about so it feels like 480 pro is safe bet. But fuck me that meze looks cool. Price for 2 months used is same as for new 480Pro and seller says it selling them because he dont like how they sound.
I have warmer source, bit of EQ isnt problem either but maybe HD480 are way to go.
For autumn, winter, in summer i dont like heaphones at all.

>>109315979
You can prove me wrong and tell me what's not okay with first 30s of this track with what you have then. Because there is one thing obviously wrong... if you have good gear.

>>109302195
>graphs don't show staging or dynamics

Yes they do, it's just that it's incredibly hard to read things like that without experience and you can't have full confidence without compensating for your own HRTF.

>>109316003
There is nothing wrong, perfect intro.

>>109315957
>it's a property of the recording
agreed. mostly true.
>sound localization is entirely a matter of psychoacoustics.
I've been saying this and arguing for it the entire time. You're too pissy to discuss it without the facade of you knowing more than everyone about everything so no wonder you're the only one to turn to insults. keep your shirt on.
FR=everything still needs evidence.
you were shown how audio is mixed, you dismissed it.
>define imaging in a measurable, objective way.
is psychoacoustics measurable then? lol
you're basically agreeing with me already, just making it your wording and telling me I don't know shit. it's amazing the mental gymnastics you put yourself thru just to appear knowledgeable lol. can't even hold a conversation without sperging

/iemg/, if you're following,
we went from,
>whether the recording is the starting point
to
>whether FR explains every audible difference between iems.
both of which are different claims.
careful when running into this mental midget that reduces everything down to FR, it's just one big drawn out shitpost to them

>>109316026
You're the only one saying psychoacoustics is just FR. IEMs can only affect FR so that's the only thing that matters for psychoacoustics with IEMs. Of course there's all kinds of things you can do in the mix, none of them matter because IEMs can't do them themselves.

>>109316026
>FR=everything still needs evidence.
the only differentiator between iems is FR. there is nothing else they modify
>is psychoacoustics measurable then? lol
yes, very much so. there are entire conferences and whole journals dedicated to this exact topic, you just don't know anything more in-depth than the consumer-focused articles from a quick search.
read the books in the eq guide.

Don't worry everyone, anon saved the market because pizzas exist!

>>109316058
Actually we went from went from >>109311799 to you conceding >>109315890

all food is basically carbs, protein and fat
it doesn't matter if you eat a pizza or a steak because there's no difference

>>109316026
>FR=everything still needs evidence.
it literaly doesn't, not only is it the agreed upon fact, it's also the only logical conclusion if you think more than 2 seconds on the issue and try to understand what FR at the eardrum actualy is.
>you were shown how audio is mixed, you dismissed it.
it's entirely irrelevant.

>is psychoacoustics measurable then
we are saying that the sound reaching your eardrum is the exact same, if you now halucinate that it sounds better because you gave up a kidney for it that's on you.

>>109316095
>one more example with measurably different things and they'll agree with me

I don't read posts that are more than 40% green.

>>109316014
I could play the long game but I will spoil it >>109315909
there is static from busted microphone recording acoustic guitar on the left side. Took me only 2 years of pos testing and finally DC Elite to notice.

>>109315909
Off-center guitar? That's not a problem, done intentionally all the time.

It has been a year with IEMs and my ears are not the slightest bit used to them. IE200 and Aful Explorer. Both with spinfit cp145 small tips.
If I take a break for a week I can use them once with slightly less pain, but still some. After that, every insertion is VERY painful.
I doubt it's allergy, the pain isn't similar to any accounts from people allergic to their tips.

>>109316129
There is no static, only slight string rubbing but that's it.

>>109316129
You only notice this if you bust up the volume to max

>>109316063
>the only differentiator between iems is FR. there is nothing else they modify.
easily falsifiable. your problem is that you're saying it as if it's already proven. the onus is on you to demonstrate that every non FR mechanism is either inaudible or manifests only through FR.
I've never been convinced FR alone captures everything we perceive as technicalities, that's the real disagreement here.
a speaker's FR only shows coloration and any deviation beyond neutral affects the intended audio mix, negatively or not.

>"It starts with the audio mix.
is true. simple as.
whether an iem "accurately reproduces" those cues...

is a different question.

>>109316166
>easily falsifiable.
and yet never been done.
>the onus is on you to demonstrate that every non FR mechanism is either inaudible or manifests only through FR.
incorrect, the onus is on you to disprove a statement that has been widely agreed upon for decades since the advent of electromechanical devices. there is nothing about iems that is not measurable.
>I've never been convinced FR alone captures everything we perceive as technicalities, that's the real disagreement here.
because you lack the theoretical foundation as to why FR is the only property that matters. you would do well to learn about mechanical vibrations and control systems before trying to argue against well established facts.
whether this property's tendency to agree well with your anatomy is a different story.

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An expensive thing that measures well is better than a cheap thing that measures poorly so an expensive IEM that measures poorly is better than a cheap IEM that measures well. Because it's more expensive, duh!

>>109316155
I'm neither trolling nor being ironic. You can screencap this and replay once you buy or try something better than you currently have
>>109316161
You don't need to go that far. With mid tier stuff you can hear some constant hum but ibasso picks single cracks in it. It goes away after that 45s mark. It was the reason I decided to keep it and why I consider it worth the money compared to my older and cheaper dongles.

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How to improve this thread by a thousand fold.

>>109316129
you mean the noise floor on the recording? could hear this with a cheap pos and apple dong but only at very high volumes, or with a fuck ton of treble

>>109316188
if only there were an expensive IEM that measures well to debunk this...

>>109316188
if only there were an cheap IEM that measures well to debunk this...

>>109315915
slight noise floor that starts crackling at 42 second mark
only audible if you crank up the volume quite high and this is 100% what you are doing

>>109316188
>measures poorly
>measures well
show me with graph what do you mean by it

>>109316187
>and yet never been done.
that's not evidence of your claim.
>Learn about mechanical vibrations and control systems...
appeal to authority.

>>109316200
stay retarded not our problem.

>>109316233
>appeal to authority.
that's not even what appeal to authority means retard, you basicaly did the fallacy fallacy.

the dude literaly told you to learn about basic engineering principle and you say "muh authority", how retarded can you be?

ew something replied to me

>>109316233
show me one instance of you having falsified the claim that all that matters in an iem is its FR
and if you think learning about something is a fallacy, i don't know what to say, probably the most baffling thing i've read in all my time here
there are free online courses and video series you can take, let me know if you want recommendations

>>109316253
it's exactly what it means. why don't you calm yourself down?

>>109316253
>>109316264
You don't get it, he's saying that if you know something you're an authority. Down with knowing something!

>>109316233
>Learn about mechanical vibrations and control systems...
>appeal to authority.
Professor of stupidity, I kneel.

>>109316273
>pizza owens
idk who this owens fella is, but can you tell him to make me an expensive pineapple pizza? kthx

fucking generals about ai generated image dumps for coomers are more pleasing to read thru

>>109316269
look up the definitoin of appeal to authority.
an appeal to authority is when you say "this person said that so this must be true".
that's not what he said he told you to literaly learn some engineering principle to understand the argument, he did not appeal to any authority / individual.

you simply refuse to learn because you are scared to realize you were wrong.

>>109316276
dude who needs knowledge when you can have balls !

>>109316291
>ai coomer threads
>read thru
this retard cannot be serious lmao

>>109316264
you've been begging me to falsify a universal claim that you can't demonstrate.
>"FR explains most audible differences"
and
>"FR is the only thing that matters"
still are not the same statement. if you're talking about the exact acoustic pressure waveform at my eardrum, then obviously identical input produces identical perception. but a hobby FR graph made on a clone 711 coupler isn't the same thing as the complete ear+IEM transfer function. isn't that the distinction you want?

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pizza owens

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still one of the best tws out there

>the measurement is not the system.
>the ear is part of the system.
>perception is based on the stimulus reaching the listener, not a coupler graph.
now I can get back to burning ants with a magnifying glass.

>>109316307
>"FR explains most audible differences"
read papers by harman, read mdaqs methodology, read the first paper examining correlation between objective properties of earphones and price, read floyd toole's book. these basic resources provide perceptual and data-driven explanations and results
>"FR is the only thing that matters"
in the context of iems and their acoustical output, yes.
we have already discussed other points about iems that might influence perception such as isolation, comfort, build quality
>but a hobby FR graph made on a clone 711 coupler isn't the same thing as the complete ear+IEM transfer function. isn't that the distinction you want?
the point of what others are arguing is that there is no distinction between an expensive and cheap iem. you can theoretically eq one into the other if needed. whether or not this is needed is highly debatable: why would something more expensive even sound better?
the answer is FR colorations which are achievable with EQ.

>>109316331
sorry pal, ny attempt to change the subject will be ignored.
Let's talk about interesting topics, like EQing your 5USD microwave pizza shitbud from aliexpress to sound like 5k USD sumit-fi 3 michelin star wood oven pizza flagship IEM

bwos, what are the best toppings in this pizza meta?

>>109316372
toppings will overcook and destroy your 'zas

>>109316372
toppings don't matter, all you need is a good crust (this is what FR=everything fanatics actually believe)

I really could go for a pizza now.

>bassy pos = extra cheese za
>treble pos = margarita
too lazy to do the rest, can someone with deepseek premium finish the rest

>>109316307
Techzo invents EQ by ear from the first principles, amazing.

>>109316383
>>109316107

you change sound with EQ
i change sound with IQ

we are not the same

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https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/secrets-about-the-consumer-audio-business-you-may-find-interesting.37344/
Friendly reminder.

brb eqing a steak I carved out of a rotten cow carcass I salvaged from the ganges river that died in the crossfire during an indian shit throwing festival so I can serve it at 5 star restaurant

>one more

reminder
>I'll immerse myself in my favorite music on my perfectly EQed 5USD GK Kuntens
never said by white men, only by browns
>I'll immerse myself in my favorite music on my [insert any reputable western or japanese brand] headphones
said many times by white men

>>109316563
>headphones
this post was written by seafag hands

>[insert any reputable western or japanese brand]
long way of spelling Storm

>>109316340
>read papers by harman, read mdaqs methodology, read the first paper examining correlation between objective properties of earphones and price, read floyd toole's book.
>appeal to authority

Storm RE + source that won't trigger current protection + cable = $10k+
shitbuds + EQ = $3 and same techs

ts hobby is too easy, i think i'll move to the espresso hobby and enjoy tangible water quality techs, bean techs, etc

>>109301581
>sound is just vibration of your eardrums, that vibration is literaly a sum of sine waves,
Sine waves are only an approximation to anything, the limit of a repeating process over an infinite domain. They do not actually exist.
If this sounds like splitting hairs, the DFT takes a finite window of a signal in time and extrapolates that time sequence into a set of frequency bins.
>if you FFT it, you get a FR graph, and if you do the inverse transform you get back the exact same sum of sine wave.
When I learned about frequency response, we used the Fourier Transform. The loss of phase information makes it not a frequency response. You could call it a bunch of other things depending on context: the modulus, the magnitude response, the sensitivity. But it isn't FR.
That the system is assumed minimum-phase, or close enough not to deviate in any meaningful way, means you can reconstruct the phase from the magnitude and thus the FR.
I'm not against the idea of joint-time frequency charts, e.g. STFT, CSDs, wavelets, and such. Non-minimum phase behavior can be deceptively small and lost in the summation/integral. But this isn't a black box either, and you should ask yourself what sort of behavior and delayed sound you can expect from such a small acoustic structure.
>the FR is just a literal mirror of the soudwave you can convert it back and forth and that's why EQ's work in the first place if that wasn't the case, an EQ with no bands would delete information, and they don't.
That's a property of linearity. Linear systems are simple to invert.
Assuming that factors such as noise and quantization error aren't relevant, of course.