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Field Programmable Gate Array with Very High Speed Integrated Circuit Hardware Description Language edition

previous: >>109286184

What are you working on, /g/?
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>Used to mostly tinker with simple toy CPUs and RISC-V on FPGA's
>Always wanted to do something "real"
>Now do this image pipeline
>It's literally just timing, clock domain crossing issues and waiting for Place and Route to finish
>PnR takes ~10 Minutes rn. Not even Cpp is that disgusting and my project isn't even big
Meh. It's fun, but it's also shit.
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now that ai does all my work, what language should i learn for fun?

can be a memelang nobody uses. just needs to be enjoyable.

thinking about assembly.
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>>109304393
Perhaps English?
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>>109304393
learn the Very High Speed Integrated Circuit Hardware Description Language (VHDL).
Because then you can generate some stuff for protoyping with AI, it'll work in simulation, but OF COURSE it won't synthesize, because AI is too fucking dumb.
Then you will get infinitely mad and swear to god you'll never use AI again.

FFS. I hate AI so fucking much. I will never ever use it again. Fuck this fucking fuck shit. It was so obvious that the shit won't work on hardware, but I was (again) so stupid to blindly accept it.
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A moving JPEG

https://maurycyz.com/projects/bad_jpeg/cat.jpg

Explanation

https://maurycyz.com/projects/bad_jpeg/
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>>109304393
>>109304411
PS: If you want software and not hardware, you could try Ada.
Ada is pretty fucking great, in theory. Muh strict typing, formal verification and all that jazz.
Basically same shit as VHDL, just software. Both from the Holy DoD (uh, I mean DoW)
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>>109304393
you can just not use clankers??
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>>109304425
Yes I've been meaning to. The strict typing makes it extremely appealing.
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>>109304425
>>109304435
Request Pricing? For a fucking programming language??? The fuck is this shit
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>>109304445
Works for me
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>>109304445
>>109304495
You can also use gprbuild with a gpr file like this:
-- 113.2.2 Style checking
-- GNAT provides many options to configure style checking of your code. The main compiler
-- switch for this is -gnatyy, which sets almost all standard style check options. As indicated
-- by the section on style checking574 of the GNAT User's Guide, using this switch "is equiva-
-- lent to -gnaty3aAbcefhiklmnprst, that is all checking options enabled with the exception
-- of -gnatyB, -gnatyd, -gnatyI, -gnatyLnnn, -gnatyo, -gnatyO, -gnatyS, -gnatyu, and
-- -gnatyx."
-- https://docs.adacore.com/gnat_ugn-docs/html/gnat_ugn/gnat_ugn/building_Executable_programs_with_gnat.html#style-checking

project Hasm is
for Source_Dirs use ("src");
for Object_Dir use "build/obj";
-- for Library_ALI_Dir use "build/ali";
for Exec_Dir use ".";

for Main use ("main.adb");

package Compiler is
for Default_Switches ("Ada") use
("-gnat2022",
"-gnatwa", -- All warnings
"-gnatwe", -- Warnings as errors
"-gnaty4", -- Indentation 4
"-O2");
end Compiler;

package Builder is
for Executable ("main.adb") use "hasm";
end Builder;

package Binder is
for Default_Switches("Ada") use ("-Es");
end Binder;
end Hasm;


>gprbuild -P$(TARGET)

PS: I wanted to learn Ada months ago and that is how far I got. I don't know much else.
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>>109304393
>fun memelang not useful but enjoyable
Not Haskell, Haskell is a serious language for real world use
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>>109304511
One more post
https://learn.adacore.com/index.html

I'll go touch grass now and you little snails learn Ada.
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>>109304518
>>109304511
OK I will do it !!
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Quiet the productive day today.
https://codeberg.org/headlesschook/tools
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>>109304744
yes indeed very productive using claude to write everything for you
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>>109304833
Not buying your tokens sam.
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>quiet
>assembles and links assembly
So it's a fucking makefile.
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rewriting my website in elm and it's so fun
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>>109304833
Uh but they say that is peak productivity? So how come that's bad now?
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>they
Who?
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>>109304744
you're too dumb to use git add yourself?
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>>109304866
>look up elm on wikipedia
>find out it inspired rust
>click on rust article explaining elm's influence
>see it is written by someone called "sophia"
>curious why a female is writing about this
>click her blog
>first article i see: "Bottom Surgery at WIH"
the rust trannies meme is real
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Trannies aside, how would you feel if mentally ill men who chop their dick off were capable of creating something but you weren't?
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>something
I have no interest in garbage.
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>>109304928
Terry Davis was mentally ill but everyone conceded that he wasn't right. The problem is when society is too afraid to speak about.
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>>109304359
I have to decide on a solution for a database. Was thinking to go with Postgresql.

Anyone got good experience with database solutions?
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>>109304986
Postgres is the default. If you don't have specific requirements, there is no reason to use anything else (MariaDB is also an option but you'll find Postgres is universally supported and has almost everything you need)
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>>109304359
explain gpu programming to me
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>>109305010
what do you mean gpu programming?
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>>109304972
his OS is an unfinished toy and he used ubuntu, OS for man who cucked him
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>>109305010
You submit commands, the GPU executes them.
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>>109305022
i'll admit i don't know anything about writing an OS but i've heard it's an impressive achievement to build one entirely yourself
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>>109305076
It isn't.
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>>109305076
Not really, because he decided to let everything just run in Ring 0. And things become really simple once everything runs in Ring 0. Just look at DOS.
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Rust has trannies
Ada has intersex people
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Still using Rust, drinking alcohol, having unprotected sex, smoking cigars, snorting cocaine etc etc. I'm exceptional in all of those scenarios and some days my wife buys me some meth out of her own pocket.
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>>109305118
It acts like a complete attention whore too.
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erlang is the best programming language.
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C has Linux Tech Tipps
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>>109305118
at least intersex is a birth defect
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>>109304421
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>>109305233
much like affinity to C programming language
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>>109305353
My internet connection is a bit too fast for this to work properly here but I do see a slight movement when loading
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>>109304393
>now that ai does all my work

So when willl AI be able to do legal tax work? I've been testing it for almost 3 years and it's just been slipping and getting worse.

Then again, maybe i shouldn't expect anything from a model that doesn't understand input or even its own output.
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>>109305005
Thank you for your answer and your time!

I'm gonna stick to Postgres for this project and maybe check out other database options later for funzies.
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>>109305815
>he has to do taxes himself
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>>109305118
Growing up is realizing the trannies actually produce the best work
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>>109305870
>Growing
*grooming
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trannies be like
>I want recruit mode life
>lives life on suicidal difficulty by choice
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>>109304917
I don't care about the artist if the art is good
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tech companies filling women hire quota by hiring trannies

this is a massive, massive win for men and the patriarchy. feminists should be seething but they just can't say it out loud.
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>trannies trannies trannies
I don't really like them myself, but this is bordering on obsession
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>>109306143
it makes chuds seethe even harder
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>>109306162
sorry let's move on.

any command line tools that you don't like? talking about standard ones like tree, du, htop, whoami?
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>>109306182
define "standard" when there are so many non-binary repos introducing more tools daily
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>>109306230
just tell me a common or ubiquitous tool you don't like
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>>109306241
what is "common" or ubiquitous? Not everyone uses Linux
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>>109306251
if you're not using unix/bsd i don't really care. assumed everyone here was.
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>>109306287
what do you mean by "unix/bsd", do you know what those even mean?
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>>109306341
no need for this autism. if you're using windows, i don't care about your opinion. if you are not using windows (which you mostly likely are, otherwise you would have answered my question) i asked which common tools you don't like. if you need me to explain what "common" means, you have autism and i don't care about your opinion.
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>>109306373
Just like I don't know what you mean by "woman", I also don't know if you mean gnu tools, bsd tools, apple tools, windows tools, some proprietary tools etc, there's many shapes of forms of source code because by definition it is nonbinary.
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>>109305860
No i'm the tax consultant who has to unfuck whatever it is you thought you were doing last year.
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Btw if you guys need a break from your project i can recommend this fun little game. Apparently it goes all the way up to CPU architecture and some Assembly programming, but i haven't gotten there yet.

It's called 'Turing Complete'.
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>>109305870
Autists - which trannies are - produce absolute gobshite only other autists think is good work. That's why normal people hate autists and want to see them fed to cows.
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>>109306520
This is like buying Euro Truck Simulator as a truck driver, Why would you need a game of something you can just do yourself?
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>>109305815
Mate, if AI was as good as they say _right now_ we wouldn't bother with Python and C++ and all that jazz. We would just have them produce assembly code and call it a day.
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>>109306503
I don't get paid to worry about taxes.
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>>109306550
Because it dives deeper into the bare metal and exposes you to a little bit of CPU architecture instead of just programming?
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>>109304359
>takes 4 hours to synthesize in your path
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>>109306667
>I don't get paid

Yeah we know.
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>>109306590
Or just straight into binary even. No need to review it right? It's AI, it's better than humans and will replace us after all.
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>>109306705
There's no desire for that in /dpt/.
Heck, we have people here who think that MOVZX is faster than one XOR + MOV simply because compilers cannot track dependencies, and the autists think that's a good thing.
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But compilers can track dependencies?
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>>109306790
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop-invariant_code_motion
They *suck* at it, as anyone who's ever looked at stack management code would be able to tell you.
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>>109304359
in what situations would you use an FPGA instead of a PIC?
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>>109306804
Also: Itanium.
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actually learning Ada but I don't know what the fuck to build because i have zero desire or motivation to do anything
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>>109306804
Just write better code?
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Better code is what LEADS to the problem, autist.
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>Non sequitur meltdown
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>meltdown
Enjoy always being beaten by the competition and eventually losing your job.

Rightfully.
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I see the retard still hasn't gotten over violent fantasies of someone else than him being beaten after the school.
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>projecting ou.t.is.t projecting his own school experience onto others
And for what its worth, I was popular at school. People constantly asked me for help and advice.
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>>109306804
Just use AI.
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>>109306590
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>>109307237
AI is better than what people are saying right now—the state of the art is always advancing; commentary is always lagging. If you cannot get better results with AI then you are the problem—AI is demonstrably better than humans at every task. Face it—AI is the future.
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>—
LLM-generated, probably because you literally cannot an argument for yourself to save your miserable existence.
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>>109307307
AI has replaced all of my conversations—permanently. The productivity gains are immense. AI mediates every interaction I have with the rest of the world—I have a 1000x larger footprint because of it. Face it—AI is the future and you are already left behind—forever.
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>>109307307
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>>109307307
le wooosh
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>>109304421
that's cool anon, i bookmarked your little website
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What is the most LLM resistant language?
I don't want to be labeled a vibecoder because I started my project in rust.
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>>109307785
Nigga.
>>109306590
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>>109307784
it's on the orange website front page
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>>109307789
But assembly is hard.
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i have a great idea for a program

brb... should take around 6 months
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>>109307804
LLM resistant language <=> hard.
I thought autists were into spectrums.
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>>109307785
i write a toy language and asked an llm to write some examples (fibonacci, prime checker) and it was able to just using the EBFN
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>toy language
OK, child.
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>>109307878
bit rude... that's literally what languages are called before they have everything implemented and are ready for serious use
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>>109307903
Like a child?
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>>109307796
reddit?
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>>109308016
does reddit look orange to you?
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>>109308016
Hacker News

I just went there. Found this graph of StackOverflow activity, and I say GOOD, because that site got increasingly harder to use.
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>>109308038
I don't know, just opened it and it's black and orange to me

>>109308066
i miss stack overflow, at least it doesn't add fluff like AI answers
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>>109308066
I'd like to believe this would've happened even without LLMs, because the SO community strongly discouraged asking questions and actually frowned upon it.
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>>109308191
99% of the time you could find the answer, but if you couldn't and actually asked, it would get closed for one of these reasons
>duplicate (even though you read through 12 other questions and they were all outdated and not about current version)
>not programming related (even though it's clearly about programming but mentions some particular tool)
>opinion based (even though it's requesting advice about a performance problem or something clearly objective)
the people who answered were also more rude than your average 4chan user who might call you a retard but will actually help
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>>109308282
I posted a question about some unspecified merchandise interface, oh, about seven years ago. Never got an answer. Anything that's beyond a first-year's knowledge is just completely ignored because no one likes to be seen as a retard.
>except 4chan autists of course
>who have no shame to begin with
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Feeling the urge to learn some assembly...
Haven't done it since the 90s doing x86 ASM for dumb games and demos, can't decide if I should learn modern AMD64 ASM or do something like RISCV ASM even though I don't currently have RISCV hardware. Also interested in SIMD/vector programming so if I go with RISCV is there any cheap, readily available hardware that fully supports the finalized vector instruction set?
And is it a mad idea to try to program SIMD stuff in ASM anyway? I know I could just do C with vector intrinsics or whatever, but I want to be even more bare metal and understand how this shit all works at the hardware level or whatever.
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>>109308328
>And is it a mad idea to try to program SIMD stuff in ASM anyway? I know I could just do C with vector intrinsics or whatever
Hoo boy.
>inb4 autistic screeching devoid of reasonable arguments
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>>109308382
I know auto vectorization is pretty garbage since the comp[iler can't understand your intent, but I thought if you were directing it yourself with intrinsics it would do alright. Granted I don't really know fuck all about it lol.
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>>109308424
Read the literal last paragraph.
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>>109308442
Oh, and also read the a, c, b, d thing.
Honestly, the fact that compilers don't reorder static const data is so fucking disgusting that this would be reason along never to rely on auto-vectorization.
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>>109308442
>>109308501
Yeah I only glanced at the image before I responded. Wtf is wrong with compilers.
I guess I was assuming it would be more like just inline assembly like you'd do in Turbo C or Turbo Pascal back in the old days where you're telling it exactly what to do, so (ostensibly) no fuckery.
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I found this the other day: GDB for Windows with TUI enabled and some interesting tweaks
https://github.com/ssbssa/gdb
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>>109308519
Oh, you can still do inline assembly, the difference being that the compiler is absolutely not allowed to fuck that one up because you're essentially raw-including instructions into the final assembly file. Which is a good thing considering that compilers have an absolutely miserable track record of actually optimizing intrinsics; now imagine what they'd do if they actually tried to optimize inline-assembly SIMD instructions.
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>>109304860
Make is for complex multi project builds, this is more like running gcc main.c.

>>109304897
I'm too lazy to type 3 individual commands. You sound like you use AI to summarize things and then form an onion on that summery.
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>>109308551
I don't know about the TUI, but lldb on windows has always had core dump parsing for both mingw dwarf and msvc pdb symbols.
the only problem is that lldb doesn't natively support .natvis files, it depends on the IDE (clion has natvis support for lldb, but it's not open source and I hate how old the lldb version is).
After looking up tracing, I stumbled upon something called intel PT, which only works on intel, but it is similar to windows time travel debugger, except it does not record memory, it only records instructions.
Might be a useful tool for debugging with a low overhead, but it's a lot less powerful because without memory you can't do things like scan for the previous modified address and etc.
And it's only for linux.
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>>109307785
All languages are for LLMs.
The slop ones like Python because they have a fuckgantic corpus.
The typed ones like Rust because they have compiler railguards.
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>>109307785
The less popular a language is the more AI struggles as it has less data to copy paste.
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>>109308695
>Make is for complex multi project builds
So its even _less_ impressive? Color me shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you!
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>>109308803
Oh no the morbidly obese factorio schizo is unimpressed what ever will I do?
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What's a language with an incredibly simple premise that's not brainfuck, B or ML?
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>>109309344
Checkem.
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>morbidly obese
>>109301560
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>>109305377
>>109305353
It does not work properly on 4chan because 4chan modifies uploaded files to remove a lot of unnecessary headers used for such trickery, on account of people using it to upload hidden CP and "save as bmp, rename to .hta and shit bricks" type of content.

oldfags may remember we used to be able to upload embedded RAR files too.
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I really had no idea simple bitmasking was this degenerate on the metal.

Though i guess someone with Factorio autism could make it look prettier.
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>>109309643
it does work, just not as well
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>>109309344
sectorlisp
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>>109309661
And *yet* shifts are more expensive than ANDs and ORs and what not.
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I just realised we have something really funny to look forward to in the future.

AI powered Data Base Management Systems. Can you image the absolute fuck up when greedy corps fire all their human employees and then the AI makes some stupid logical error and fucking destroys the entire database and syncs all backups to the destroyed database. This could destroy the entire banking sector overnight.
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>>109309878
Don't threaten me with a good time.
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>>109309878
That sounds funny desu
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>>109309817
Already dreading having to configure that in the game lol.
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>>109309715
Can a C compiler fit on one sector?
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>>109309962
https://github.com/xorvoid/sectorc
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>>109310004
Very cool
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>>109308700
I've never used time travel debugging, seems cool but overkill most of the time
TUI is very convenient for GDB/LLDB, makes in-terminal debuggers more usable to me
I don't know LLDB commands as well as GDB so I don't really bother with it, the only thing I needed to do get GDB to debug correctly is adding -gdwarf, since clang can emit both PDB and DWARF info for a single build on Windows
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Any time someone shills AI here remember this.
breaths in*
bwhahahaahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhaha
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>>109309893
Would be a bad time for your bank account.
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Passive aggressive bitch.
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This whole time I could have just been writing vectors instead of fucking around with string concatenation.
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Microsoft is DDoSing codeberg again.
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What ?
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>Python
>use bytearray
>array of bytes
>index an individual element
>get an int
hang the nigga who designed this shit. i got the rope right here.
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>>109315025
kek
now do arr[i:i+1]
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>>109312389
>this qr code is unavailable
no wonder he's unemployed
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>>109309878
>This could destroy the entire banking sector overnight.

What makes you think they don't mitigate that risk with redundancy?
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>>109315025
Why does it give you an int though? Like what's the thought process behind this? Is it the index number instead of the value or something?

This is exactly why i stay away from The Snek btw.
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>>109305022
>toy
Probably 100 times more complicated than anything you ever did in your life you web developer.
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C++ is so complicated not even the compilers understand it correctly.
https://sebsite.pw/w/20260708-badstdcxx.html
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>>109316282
what do other compilers do
saying they should make it do what implementations do if implementations differ is retarded
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>>109316319
oh nvm it says implementation defined
i'm retarded
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Should I get proefficient in templeOS?
It's holyPointless, but it could be fun. Tho it might take some actual time to get comfy (smol brain)
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>>109316282
sepples is an abomination
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>>109316891
>it could be fun
If you're into that sort of fun, then go for it.
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>>109315288
Python has no singular byte type, so they're represented as x of type int in the range:
>0 <= x < 256
The 'bytes' type is an abstract collection of these integer values, and a 'bytearray' is mostly just a mutable version of that. Python doesn't have a singular-character type either. Single characters (or Unicode code points, rather) are strings ('str' type) with a single element (len(s) == 1). So why aren't singular bytes represented as bytes objects with a single element when indexed off a bytearray? Not a clue. Either this completely slipped by unnoticed when designing Python 3 or there's actual rationale for it, whatever that may be. Then again, there is no real mutable string type either so I don't get what they're going for here (unless you truly think StringIO is a mutable str). It's not consistent at all.
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>>109315025
Did you actually put bytes into it?
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>>109317167
Either I'm overthinking this or the API is a disaster area:
>>> ba = bytearray(b"1")
>>> ba
bytearray(b'1')
>>> ba[0]
49
>>> ba[:1]
bytearray(b'1')
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>>109317250
What if you try to set a large number?
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>>109317337
Well
>bytearray(b"12345")
means an array-like object out of a series of ASCII characters: 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 where
>ba[3]
is
>52
and
>ba[0] = 12345
raises an exception
>ValueError: byte must be in range(0, 256)
although byte == int here.
>>> ba[0] = 50
>>> ba
bytearray(b'2')
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>>109317365
Duxk-typed bytes.
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>>109317250
It seems to me that printing the contents of the byte array returns it as bytes, but addressing elements within the array is done with 8bit integers.
It's basically a char array.
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>>109315025
>>109315288
>>109317250
it gives you a byte retard
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>>109317519
it gives an int that looks like a byte.
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>>109317525
I don't know who that is but he looks like he sodomises children
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Is it possible to make a fast Python interpreter?
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>>109317631
the previous discussion is entirely a dynamic typing bullshit issue and that's the reason why the answer is no and will always be no.
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>>109317056
Ok.
Started to digg around in the compiler a bit and found something neat.
picrel
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>>109317748
PS: This doesnt work tho (as expected)
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Should I make some TTRPG shit today or should I OSdev?
Hmmm
Too indecisive...
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>>109317771
Why not an OS geared towards playing TTRPGs?
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>>109317760
And here I thought C++ error messages were hard to read
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>>109317789
It clearly says there is a duplicate statement. No problem on my snail side
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>>109317825
No line number though?
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This is my triangle program in Brainfuck. It's very well optimized because of my optimizing Brainfuck compiler.
+[[->+>+<<]>[-<+>]>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.------------------------------------------------<<+>>>,<<<]
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>>109317924
This is the output?
136:?ELT]gr~¨¸ÉÛî-D\uªÆã @a¦Êï<d·â;iÈù+^Çý4l¥ßVÑPÓZå,t½Rë9Ø){Î"wÍ$|Õ/æC¡`Á#êOµíWÂ.    xèYË>2'úvóqðpñsözÿ§2¾KÙhø®B×m5Ïj£Aà!Ãf
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>>109317924
>He made a brainfuck compiler
>not interpreter
>and it's an optimizing compiler no less
Dangerously based
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>>109317778
What would that even look like
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>>109317924
I want to fuck Satanichia's brains out
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>>109317984
>Satanichia
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>>109317119
Goddang, that really does sound like something i don't want anything to do with haha.
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>>109317993
>brains
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>>109317519
It gives an int though?

How are you going to do bit manipulation on an int (in Python)?
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https://leetcode.com/problems/smallest-subsequence-of-distinct-characters/
>easy to code
>impossible to figure out
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>>109318201
&, |, ^, ~, >>, <<, .bit_length()
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>>109304359
Recently got into C++, and Jesas, refactoring is so fucking tedious.
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>>109318249
there's even .bit_count()
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>>109318347
Haskell doesn't have this problem
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>>109318347
>Jesas
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Juses
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I can do anything.
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geebus
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>>109304380
>>PnR takes ~10 Minutes rn. Not even Cpp is that disgusting and my project isn't even big
It's because it's doing binary optimization not compiling.
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>>109306112
Unfortunately the art is not good.
C-> Rust is like Dostoevsky -> Tolstoy. It *should* be good. You hear about it, read a bit on the surface level and it seems good, then you get into it and it's not great.
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Everything Rust touches turns to gold.
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>>109317984
Raphael...
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>>109319428
No it turns to rust
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>>109319487
No, gold.
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>>109319428
Except longjmp
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>>109319563
More like queerjmp
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>>109319047
subjective
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long long cock
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>>109319757
Took you 3 attempts.
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>This is the output
I'm not gonna copypaste that. Assembly, or it doesn't happen.
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>>109318201
>How are you going to do bit manipulation on an int (in Python)?
What else would you do bit manipulation on in Python?
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bros I love C... C deez nuts haha
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>>109318225
>lexicographically
I hate this.
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>>109319757
Syntax error (cringe). Stop copy pasta'ing my jokes. I am the creator of the
long Cock;
joke
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Just used AI and it wrote the same code I would have written myself. I don't see what the big deal is.:
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The code:
import openai

print('hello, world')
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>>109320700
So you write garbage code.
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Which proglang do you fellas use? C or C++? And which version?
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>>109320801
C23
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>>109320679
>not having long double cock
ngmi
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>>109320801
Whatever is best suited for the task at hand. Usually Rust, Typescript, Lua, WGSL, BQN, etc.
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>>109321413
>best suited for the task at hand
Yeah, well, if that was the case I really could've rocket the boat fifteen years ago.
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>>109321413
>Rust
if the task is just fiddling around without making any progress, yeah
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>>109321435
Rust makes me way more productive when writing native/wasm code than C or C++.
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>>109321445
I don't believe you for a second, unless you are just very unfamiliar with C
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>>109321537
>spoiler: he WAS very unfamiliar with C
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>>109304744
You forgot to mention claude as the author, saar
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>>109304744
So a couple of bash functions?
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So I finally got around to dumping the beginning of the file system on these 32-128MB memory cards and confirmed what I thought was going to be the case.
On the official memory cards the indirect fat table starts in sector 8, which is the beginning of the second block, and the first sector of the fat table is sector 9.
These memory cards still have the indirect fat table starting in sector 8, but fat table starts in sector 9 on the 32MB, 10 on the 64MB one, and 12 on the 128MB one.
This is something of an issue because whenever you update any part of the fat table that's within the first block, it will erase the first block and rewrite it, which means you're wearing out the block that contains the superblock.
I was suspicious that they used or wrote a custom formatter to handle the formatting (two of the cards were missing the CRC bytes for the pages between the superblock and the indirect fat table), and nuking the 32MB card's filesystem and reformatting seems to confirm that, the PS2 only formatted it to 8MB.
So I think that when I write my formatting tool (which I'm basically going to at this stage) I'll be ensuring that the fat table starts in the first available sector after the first block.
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>>109322177
Idc. In fact no one cares. Just make your fucking bios already.
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>>109322177
>and nuking the 32MB card's filesystem and reformatting seems to confirm that, the PS2 only formatted it to 8MB.
Ah I just realized that they fucked up and didn't code the correct number of pages in the NAND chip into the controller. So the PS2 likely read that and saw it was 8MB of pages so formatted it to 8MB.
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>>109322211
I care. The ps2 man motivates me doing stuff myself.
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>>109321537
>I don't believe you for a second
Ok. So, do you want me to post my Rust projects or what's the point of your reply?
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>>109322269
>implying you count
Ha hah ha.
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You guys ever code the old fashioned way just for fun?

>no LSP
>no debugger
>no plugins
>certainly no AI
>just write the code and run the program to test

I like kate on linux and np++ on windows. idk if mac has any good text editors.
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>>109323060
I tried and I mostly do that when I write vhdl.
But for shit like go you just need plugins, otherwise it doesn't compile.
And I often don't configure lsp's to be fully functional on my nvim, but shit like telescope and other navigation plugins are just comfy luxury.
So I try to stay minimal, but not shackle myself.

I should write other languages without LSPs more often tho. I notice it when I write vhdl. I can literally write everything without ever looking shit up. I can't do that with software really
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>>109323074
I used to just buy whatever the "bible" of that language was (K&R, Stroustroup, Lua Programming) and keep it on my desk as a reference. I would bookmark shit and eventually I was able to just code shit from memory without looking anything up or testing it. I feel like I used to be a way better programmer when I had fewer tools at my disposal. Now I know a lot more about architecture and abstraction than I did then, but I feel like I was way more prolific with my code then. idk what happened: if getting a job in the actual tech industry killed my passion for coding, or if I've gotten complacent with all the tools at my disposal. These days if I try to start a new lang and it doesn't have a functioning lsp plugin for vscode I don't even give it the time of day, even though I started learning to code on quickbasic and actual physical paper books. Am I just old now??
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VHDL made me get good at understanding computers.
I doubt anyone could do anything with it for a hobby, it is worse than assembly.
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>>109323401
I made a clock.
This is the very first version from 2024.
>my own risc-v CPU
>my own hub75 display driver
>some arduinos for the wirelss communication interfacing to the CPU with uart
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>>109304393
Forth
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>>109323401
Nowadays I just use a PolarFire SoC and have some fun with hardware-software-codesign
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>>109323468
is that screen made of... wood?
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>>109323060
>no debugger
that's not old fashioned, that's just retarded
but yes I've occasionally been switching to vim with nothing extra on it (I have a customized neovim setup that I usually use) and it certainly is a bit eye opening as you realize how much you learning you just kind of omit when you work with auto-complete etc. I have a feeling there are some hidden costs involved in those features
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>>109322304
no I'd rather have you post even less if that's on the table?
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>>109323597
Yes and 12 64x32 rgb panels.
It all grew over a few months.
The connectors were first a prototype to connect like 2 panels and stand them on my desk. Then I extended them and hacked together some connector between them, because I am a retard when it comes to CAD and I didn't want to print everything from scratch again
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>>109323643
You can just leave if you are bothered by people posting about programming in a daily programming thread.
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>>109323060
address sanitizer already does all the work for debugging, it even prints a stacktrace and everything for you.
then when the code crashes for other reasons, you should have a core dump written.
But on windows asan will just exit(), it will not send a crash into DumpFolder even with abort_on_error=1 by default, so you need to use the option windows_fast_fail_on_error to get a crash report to the DumpFolder.
The reason why is because abort is emulated as part of the C runtime on windows, and asan needs to work without the C runtime. BUT I think the real reason is that if you tried to make a "full memory dump", it makes a 500mb+ dump which is like 10x larger than a usual full memory dump.
But FailFast has it's own annoyances, such as no ability to make a in-process global handler, and it also seems to breaks the JIT debugger, so you can't open VS studio by pressing the debug button for those rare crashes that you need a full dump for, but I think you can still right click on the process in task manager and make a working full dump that way, but the problem is that once you attempt to run the JIT debugger, realize it's not working, and close it, it will end the process.
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>>109323765
>you can't open VS studio by pressing the debug button
Oh I forgot that on windows, the option to press the debug button won't open for crashes (I will still will show for aborts/assert).
I guess it's fine to leave this behavior off, since the only purpose is to open a JIT debugger, but now the JIT debugger won't work for the most important erros (fastfail also gets raised for memory corruption/double-free and etc in the release C runtime)
To bring that behavior back, I use group policy editor, but this can also be set with the registry if you have windows home edition.
gpedit.msc Configuration -> Administrative Templates -> Windows Components -> Windows Error Reporting -> Prevent display of the user interface for critical errors
set to disabled.
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>Reading header file (C)
:)
>Reading header file (C++)
:(
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>>109323825
template<typename T>
struct Foo<> {}
template<typename T, typename U...>
struct Foo : public Foo<U...> {
public:
T data;
}


This is a common pattern in C++ metaprogramming
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nta but
>>109323877
struct FooTU
{
T data1;
U data2;
...
};

There is literally no point for using metaprogramming to define a fucking struct. You could have just written the above.
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>>109323909
You can implement a tuple that of arbitrary size that way without having to define a distinct type for every function
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>>109323927
Fair enough
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To be a PROGRAMMER, thou must first be a PRO-GAMER, for thou cannot spell PROGRAMMER without PRO-GAMER.
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>>109323877
>>109323909
I just wanted to know a simple data structure works, but between the 300 lines of template soup and 500 lines of inlined noise with the same 20 generic class fields I see in every C++ header... I just can't see anything.
Also, C++ initialization syntax is the most stupidly retarded thing ever.
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>>109304429
nta but middle management at our company is pushing us to use more and more AI, no matter how often we tell them that in the medium to long term, we can't just vibe code out entire project, even if it might lead to faster results at first.
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>>109323765
>address sanitizer already does all the work for debugging
I wish it was the case, just the other day
>work on pet project, all is fine
>compile a release build and use it, encounter a segfault, fine
>load the same data in debug build, no crash whatsoever
>wtf.webp
>build release build with asan enabled
>it doesn't crash
In the end, with some old-fashioned printf debugging, I found out that non-const QJsonArray operator[] returns a proxy object (it was not obvious from QValueRef name), so bonding it to const reference caused the array itself, produced by .toArray() in the same expression, to go out of scope.
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I'm mostly just thinking out loud, but happy for any input. I'm working on a personal project that centers around a bidirected graph. It's just a project for fun so it's hard to anticipate what my requirements are going to be, but I think at the very least I want to add vertices and edges over time and run some sort of search algo on it to find the quickest path between two vertices.
The graph will probably end up having 1000-2000 vertices with 1-5 edges for most of them, which makes it sound like implementing it with an adjacency matrix would be very space inefficient, but I think I just need to make the premature optimization autist in my head shut up and accept that a 2000 by 2000 matrix isn't worth optimizing.
Eventually I think I'll want to have each vertex be mapped to a string (name of the vertex) or maybe even a class with some more info. I wonder if I can just dump them in a list and have the index in the list correspond with the index in the matrix, that sounds really unstable to me.
Plus eventually some sort of graphical interface would be cool.

Honestly I think I just need to shut up and start writing code. As you can probably tell I'm an addict for premature optimization and planning and then never actually starting a single project.
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>>109324148
malloc autist will hate you no matter what you do
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>>109324148
Why do you need a matrix doe? Use adjacency list until you can answer that question. For path, if it's just search in a weighted graph, use Dijkstra's, if it marks to euclidean space, use A*.
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>>109324292
>marks
*maps, eigo is mudzukashi
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Go's compiler has spoiled me. When I have to work on someone else's project in like C++ or Rust or something else typically based on LLVM, I get disgusted seeing compilation take an actual hour while using 100% of the resources and producing dozens of gigabytes of intermediate garbage to assault my nvme's lifetime in the process.
Worldwide industry standard for decades by the way.
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>>109324508
It is really the best language.
They are slowly moving towards fucking it up tho by adding more and more features. This will fuck up the cute compile times.
They should just leave it as is for now.
It just work. Verbosity haters gonna hate.
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>>109324172
Hehe, good thing it's only for a personal project so honestly it just needs to work and be somewhat debuggable
>>109324292
Yeah, I've had Dijkstra in mind and very vaguely remembered that it worked better with a matrix, but that could be complete bullshit, it's been over 8 years since my algorithms & data-structures lecture
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>>109324172
Just because I hate you doesn't mean I hate everyone.

>>109324148
>I think I just need to shut up and start writing code
Do that, but don't assume that you're done after the first version. The seven-seconds registry dumper wasn't done after two weeks, either.
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>>109324802
>Do that, but don't assume that you're done after the first version
That's for sure. My problem is just, I try to anticipate problems and use cases way ahead of time, which might never even become relevant and rarely start actually coding. When half the problems are much easier to see, once I've actually have some code and I see how shit works (or doesn't)
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>>109324865
>I try to anticipate problems
Problem: you don't know what you don't know. When I started with the dumper I couldn't have reasonably known how shitty Windows kernel memory management was, and what it meant for my code.

Just write a prototype, and then fix the worst wounds.
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>>109324047
same but I only use it to slop at work. I don't use it for my personal projects
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>>109324933
Very true. That's the main reason why I want to do more personal projects, get over my phobia to just start writing without having 100% of the plan laid out. I mean just by laying down some basic code right now, I've already iterated through a handful of ideas that were a lot easier to judge having them actually written out in front of me.
I think I just have some PTSD from working in a company where it felt like almost all prod code was just written with zero planning, first thing that came to mind and no consideration for how any of it is supposed to be maintained. I think that genuinely "traumatized" me a little bit to the point where I'm now trying to over-correct in the opposite direction.
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>>109324933
Or, to put it another way: this isn't a JRPG story, where changing your mind during development means months of progress lost.
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>>109325081
Kek, I'll be honest with you, this analogy might unironically help me, if I can keep it in mind. I don't even play JRPGs, but I understand what you mean
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>>109323435
>my own risc-v CPU
like a microblaze?
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>>109324116
I think your explanation isn't complete because for your code to crash on a release build, you need to access an entire page that is invalid, which is only in chunks of 4kb. So something awfully wrong needs to happen for a release build to crash.
To me it sounds like a use after return issue on the stack, maybe you need to enable ASAN_OPTIONS=detect_stack_use_after_return=1 (Enabled by default on linux, not on msvc's asan).
But when there is a bug that breaks sanity, more often than not, it's a very simple problem (sometimes I test something without pressing the run button in my IDE, but I'm using the wrong binary...)
Asan will miss some obvious errors (usually because the memory is perfectly valid, usually due to a custom allocator), but when it does catch an error, it's very unlikely to be a false positive.
Also I personally don't use asan with optimizations, because I want to read variables in my debugger. On a release build I would rather use valgrind / drmemory since those tools don't work with debuggers anyways (*it does work with special flags), and you get extra checks for uninitialized memory (but lacking stack and use after return checks & it's like 1000x slower than asan for graphics).
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Rust is perfection.
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>Rust is perfection.
In a serious society statements like these would have you met public, brutal, and torturous execution.
Hopefully we'll soon get to become serious societies again, rather than the complete faggot one we're right now.
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>>109325649
Fortunately, this is a serious society so it's well known that Rust is perfection.
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The very fact that you won't see public, brutal, and torturous execution means that this is NOT a serious society, same as men will never be women.
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>>109325767
No, but you will be a woman.
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Yes, and you and I will NEVER be a woman.
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>>109325796
But you will be.
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>>109323468
Working with one of these MCU/FPGA hybrid systems was the closest thing to magic I've seen in computing. Mapping arbitrary logic to a mere memory access by having the MMIO'd AXI slave do whacky stuff was an eye opener.
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>>109325796
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>>109306112
Only true for 1% of humanity.
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giganewfag here
how do code blocks do highlighting do you have to specify a language somehow
>>109309344
does prolog count
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>>109325865
Read the sticky: >>105076684
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>>109325891
yeah but how does the highlighting for it work
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>>109325865
>do you feel safe inside your house
With adorable felines, who wouldn't?
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>>109325909
There is no control. It just picks up a bunch of keywords from popular languages, highlights capitalised words differently, and then does stuff like strings.
Notably Rust looks terrible in this system because it uses an unmatched ' often, making the whole thing render as a string.
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>>109325950
i like you anon
>>109325975
i see. ocaml code must really suck for highlighting then due to the generic type syntax with 'a and stuff
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>>109325767
>>109325796
>>109325649
NTA but you're acting like the bigger tranny/schizo here with all the "you should be publicly executed for your CRIMES of EXISTING" BS. I know a fuckton of trannies who act like that and are extremely immature in that exact way.
Rust is cringe tho so I'll give it that
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>>109325555
I built with -fsanitize=address,undefined
>Also I personally don't use asan with optimizations
Normally I don't too, but debug build was working fine, and I figured may as well try it.
>valgrind
Tried it right now out of curiosity (reproduced the bug ofc), the output is not particularly useful as it's a stripped release build, but at least it prints the stack trace.
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>>109326020
>like the bigger tranny
No.
>schizo
I take that as a compliment, seeing as autists should've never been allowed in software development in the first place.
At the very least it's not autism. There's nothing worse than autism.
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>>109326071
Nah, you're basically a chud tranny. You're acting in the same similar schizo-ragey way a woke tranny on another thread (/agdg/) did when I called them out on them really being a racist fascist with a delusional victim complex lol

>call woketards fascists; they sperg out because I'm correct
>call chudtards trannies; they sperg out because I'm correct
feels good man
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>>109320798
Indeed. And get payed handsomely for it.
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>>109326119
i think you should endeavour to be proud of the stuff you write
unless it's a boring web or java or some other thing then i understand
>payed
stinky stinky!
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>>109326148
Boring web stuff. Basically a rewrite of something I already wrote in C# years ago.
Don't write boring code unless they pay you. Just refuse.
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>>109326156
c# is cool i used to write in it before i started working and stuff
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>muh fascists
>muh trannies
Nah, only autists. And I have actual proof for my thesis. After all, the original UNIX bothered to remove the arena parameter from malloc.
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>>109326185
>Not (You)ing me
You're mad, aren't you? Kek
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>mad
I'm mad that autists aren't rounded up and fed to cows, like God intended.
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>>109326206
Oh, you're MAD mad.
Malding. Seething.
Lmao
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what the hell are you two even arguing about? rust? literally why
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>>109326218
It's less arguing and more me pointing and laughing at the schizo seething about "muh autists" and his seething that his desire for bloodshed of people far smarter and better than him will thankfully never come to fruition.
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Imagine being mad about autists
Based autists run the world
It's a good thing that people like the regdump schizo aren't in power
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Being schizo is preferable to being autistic. You can't fix autism. You can only violently, brutally, painfully, publicly torture them, and humanity would have been better for literal millennia if we had done so. Can you imagine where humanity would be if we had tortured Newton to death?

Fucking unbelievable. Such wasted potential.
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>>109326246
>Waaaah waaah waaah I want to violently TORTURE and MURDER people but I'm such a sad sack of shit waaaah!
MMMMM. Your tears are DELICIOUS.
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obvious bait aside i thought pretty much all of us had at least some flavour of the tism
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>Unironically enjoying pissing off the regdump schizo, not just as a joke
Am I a sociopath?
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>>109326272
You're confusing ADHD with autism, as most tists do.
The difference is empathy. Just like psychopathy autists are capable of none, which is why any torture normal human beings inflict upon them is properly targeted. We should literally hunt them down and eradicate them, and screen every single baby for autism so that we can dispose of it before they can manage resistance.
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>>109326246
I don't know, I feel like schizos can cause a lot more lasting damage to poorly-moderated online spaces.
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>Am I a sociopath?
Fucking CALLED it:
>>109326291
>Just like psychopathy autists are capable of none
Can you imagine how glorious a world we could created if we just didn't treat autists as deserving of human rights?
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>>109326301
>online spaces
You mean the spaces autists are known to frequent? Because autists have never been MEANT to enjoy safe spaces. They have only ever been meant to experience pain and suffering.
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>>109326291
>Waaaaaah from my delusional point of view these people are devoid of empathy therefore we should GENOCIDE them! I'm clearly the empath btw! Waaaah!
Lmao
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>Waaaaaah
Hey, autist. Unlike you I'm capable of pattern matching, so I just didn't read past your first word.

How does that make your autistic, egoistic, worthless brain feel? Knowing that you have to read every single word, while I can just break off after the first?

I hope it hurts. Literal pain is all you deserve, for the literal good of humanity. We literally WANT you to be in literal pain for literally all eternity!
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>>109326303
Buddy, each time you post digs your hole deeper and deeper. You're not the oppressed one here, you're the wannabe oppressor, and you're confusing the fact that you can't murder people (who btw are obviously better than you) with being oppressed.
You are literally a textbook leftist.
>>109326308
>
...In your delusional headcanon.
But yeah, this thread where I can laugh at your sorry ass is a "safe space", just like real life is for me.
>>109326331
>He couldn't read
My only thought is that you're not only pathetically schizophrenic and psychopathic but also retarded lmao
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I hate the malding obese factorio schizo
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>Buddy
>>109326331
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>>109326368
Cope, mald, seethe
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>Cope
>>109326331
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>>109326394
I could do this all day, pardner
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Me too: >>109326331
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>>109326417
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Unrelated but stock images are peak sovl btw
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>>109326331
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>>109326445
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>
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>>109326331

>stock images are peak
Autism.
Instead of properly pattern-matching they have to resort to emotions other people portray. If that isn't peak autism I don't know what is.
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I win.
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>autistic gaslighting and manipulation
>>109326291
>>
.
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>>.
Exactly!
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!
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Now that I have properly won, I shall take a break for a while while the regdump schizo continues to seethe on an imageboard and have no life
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>properly won
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>>109326543
>then I opened my eyes and the nightmare was me!
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>>the nightmare was me!
>projecting autist projecting autism
>like clockword
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I always thought the most disabled and crippled turbo autist to ever exist was that professor raging against compilers and insisting on hand-coding everything in perfectly fine binary.

But then no-quote reply guy showed up.
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>that professor raging against compilers and insisting on hand-coding everything in perfectly fine binary.
Now don't be ridiculous. I'm not saying everyone should code in assembly; what I AM saying is that
1. compilers can't optimize jack.
2. autists don't know compilers can't optimize jack.
3. i'm schizo.
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>>109326952
you are a narcissist not a schizo
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>noooo, it's not about us
>it's just about youuuuuuu

>(despite my focus being outward, not inward)
>>109326291
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>>109324508
If you only care about compilation time then DELPHI CHADS RISE UP.
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I wish mods were half as active removing offtop on /g/ as their are removing video game threads on /v/.
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AI is a CULTURAL PHENOMENON thus UNREMOVABLE
t. ABIB
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Through the power of copypasting blocks of code and not bothering to write correctly to the memory card, I have restored the 32MB file system.
And I even moved the FAT table to start from the second erase block.
PCSX2 did NOT like it, but works fine on hardware.
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what should I do that'd look neat for recruiters?
also who has that huge list of programming projects you can do
do they even look at your github when you apply for jobs?
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>>109328655
Don't bother, you won't get a job anyway.
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>>109328655
>what should I do that'd look neat for recruiters?
have 5yoe
>do they even look at your github when you apply for jobs?
no
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>>109328655
>recruiters
no, but having something interesting to show and talk about in an interview is a good thing, ideally if its related to the job you're applying for



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