Why haven't you taken the nix OS pill yet anon?We also offer them in a supoository format, if that's what you prefer.
I'm a /g/uixchad.
>no icecatittig (into the trash it goes)
we've been over thisshit doc, shit language, logo looks like a blown out asshole, trannies, etc
>>109307962>shit docself documenting code>shit languagejust werks>logo looks like a blown out asshole>tranniesholy obsessed
>>109308022>just worksthe github issue tracker is filled with broken builds, packages who haven't been updated in ages, thousands of open pull requests. troons are busy dilating instead of working on the distro.
>>109307740because i'm gentoopilled.
>>109308061nixpkgs is not the nix language
>>109308061So does guixBut blame systemd for breaking portability and making it harder to keep Plasma up to date
>>109308107You have an uninitialized variable before the color palette thing
>>109308061>le lgbthiv+ pride snowflake logolol lmao nixfags
>>109307740For me it's NixOS with the Den config framework.
>>109308061>nixpkgs is le bad because... there is lots of activity on the repo
I tried for 6 months and had a semi-stable system, but I'm not a programmer and it's really geared towards programmers. I was just copy/pasting other people's shit or using AI to build my system and when something broke it was a multi-day nightmare. NixOS is awesome but it's not for me and wasn't sustainable without heavy knowledge that's outside of my expertise.
>>109308720https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/513143this is lots of activity to you?
Was thinking about using it to run a home server, so I can have a reproducible system. If i upgrade/change hardware i can just move the configs over and it would just werk right? anyone had experience with this?
>>109308774For a home server you could just run stuff with docker
After the Dylan M. Taylor incident I migrated to GUIX.
>>109308815I have done this, I was just thinking of tinkering with Nix to do kinda the same thing. reproducible bare metal config vs reproducible docker containerizing i guess
i am on nixooooooos.desktop, laptop, server.
>>109308774For a single server, sure, go full hog. If you have more, IMO it's better to deploy some cluster orchestrator (nomad, kube, what have you) for your services. You can keep NixOS underneath, you can build your images with Nix (docker-tools, nix2container), even template your workloads with Nix (nix-nomad, kubenix), but Nix can't give you auto scaling, migration, etc on its own. I basically do this with Nomad and works rather well for me.Since a while there's this thing called clan.lol that attempts to make handling multiple interrelated servers more ergonomic, but I haven't tried it personally. It won't give you auto scaling or node migration for free, like an orchestrator, though.
I did and it cured my distrohopping
>>109309151what the hell do you make that needs an autoscaler?
>>109307740im too guixxed for this
>>109309215Insane how much of a NBAW you will be
>>109309220Honestly? I just have autism, why else do you think I would be using NixOS. More seriously, I just like to be able to have zero downtime updates and services migrating away from a computer I have to restart or turn-off, so they don't stop working. With plain Nix it would've been a lot more painful to achieve.
>>109309259NTA but I still haven't trooned out after some 6 years of using NixOS, am I doing something wrong?
>>109309259The colorscheme is blue and red. fastfetch just using my rose-pine lookin a lil trooned up.All high test here
>>109309343>>109309361Tbh if you got in it early and nothing changed by now, you're probably fine. NixOS being trannycoded is a relatively new thing.
>>109308741>le shill lionYou're right. That PR should be closed immediately and the guy who opened it should be banned from the repo.
>>109307740>Why haven't you taken the nix OS pill yet anon?I love projects like nix and guix, but I just want my shit to work. Unironically I'm thinking about switching to Ubuntu. I love Debian and Arch, but I've noticed that most shit is straight up meant for Ubuntu, even simple shit like Signal app is a fucking .deb, not even a .rpm. I mean the nix repo is huge, but I'm not sure how secure that shit is, but I love the reproducibility, especially for server configs.>>109309215Lol all those filesystems, zfs for your root? Noice.
>>109308877docker isn't reproducible thoughbeit
>>109308247yeah, it came from my dotfiles on github and last distro i was running was omarchy, so that line would normally pull the name of the current omarchy theme. i should probably just have it pull my gtk theme since gentoo doesn't have its own theme hook system. i've just been leaving it alone with the paint palette glyph as 'this is my color palette' but the space from the missing variable of $omarchy_theme is kind of unnerving
>>109309151I've never once thought that I need autoscaling for me home server, especially since approximately 0 self hosting services are built to be able to handle multiple instances accessing a single database
>>109308247and fix'd
>>109307740I tried to ask last thread, but:- are Nixpkgs vetted? Who is maintaining these? Is this worse or better than the AUR?- do I have to learn a new language to install packages?- how stable is the system? Nix users always talk about rolling back or pinning packages, I've never had to do that in ANY distro.- would nix packages take up more storage and ram than traditional distros (debian, arch, fedora)- are nix packages slower?Plz answer nix users.
>>109310657> are Nixpkgs vetted? Who is maintaining these? Is this worse or better than the AUR?mostly. There's an approval process and it must conform to basic guidelines for submission to the repository. Much more packages then Arch, but maintainers update them slower due to the process- do I have to learn a new language to install packages?you need a basic understanding of the package manager/nix syntax in order to add packages. If you are just using the package manager, it's as simple as appending a line to an array and rebuilding.If you don't wan't to install it to your configuration, you can run it from the commandline very easily.- how stable is the system? Nix users always talk about rolling back or pinning packages, I've never had to do that in ANY distro.Extremely stable.Rolling back the System for things like kernel incompats and other reasons on NixOS is stupid simple. Useful if you are tracking the unstable release and something breaks, or you finally update after 3 years and the new rebuild would normally break everything (looking at you arch)- would nix packages take up more storage and ram than traditional distros (debian, arch, fedora)when installed, no. But do to how it builds them, it keeps builds and tooling/deps cached until you run something like `nix collect garbage -d`. These can take up a lot of space, but cleaned anytime- are nix packages slower?No. A lot of packages are compiled on your system without binary distribution, but this takes no work and only time on your end, hence what was written for the last point.
>>109307740I have no use for any of the features and felt like learning linux again without anything gained in return. The whole edit the configuration > nixos-rebuild switch dance just to install something and the resulting wall of text output in the terminal made me appreciate pacman even more. I just data hoard, encode video as a hobby and play 1-2 gaymes, clearly not the target audience of this distro by any means.
>>109308061>only 5k issues for something that has 150k packages in itdamn, didnt know nixpkgs was this stable
I daily drive my own distro, I don't use troonware
>>109307740Haven't had the time to overcome the initial learning curve. Overall, I like the idea of NixOS, but I can't afford to have a system I don't really understand right now. Once I have time to make the switch, I'll probably be happy with it.
>>109307740I took it 3 weeks ago and it's ok, I guess. I just realized that it's a good distro if you are not an ADHD distro hopping nigger.If you like updating your computer and change your configs daily, NixOS is not for you. It's more of install, configure and forget for 3 weeks before updating.I am using stable channel though, but I guess that's how NixOS is supposed to be used. I just configure a few apps with NixOS, the rest I just use mkOutOfStoreSymlink with my old dotfiles and move on with my life.
>>109309480ok, ma'am
>>109307740I'd rather kill myself than have to write 20 lines of boilerplate LISP to apply a single patch.Gentoo is better for actual real-world usage.
>>109314473Id recommend using nixpkgs+home-manager on a normal distro instead of full blown nixos, it will save you alot of friction and frustration
>>109315464>Gentoo is better for actual real-world usage.>literally the-waste-your-time-coompiling-random-shit-osroflnice joke bro
>>109315955it's probably faster to compile most packages than to update the nix store lmao
>>109315955my time isn’t wasted. do you just sit there and watch compilation fly by?
>>109316218correct just use nixos-unstable-small
>>109316218nice cope
>>109316218how do you even approach this conclusion?
>>109307881doesnt nix default to no proprietary software and you have to set allow unfree?
>>109307740I want to convert my Debian server since I love it on desktop but it's gonna be a lot of work to make sure everything is set up correctly. It's time I don't have on my hands and another person relies on my services.
>>109319134Yes.
>>109320077What has made you want to hop off Debian? Or is the reproducibility thing of nix the draw?
>>109320204I don't like how fragmented system configuration is on normal distros and I'm already balls deep in NixOS anyway so may as well. I like having my entire system clearly configured in a few nix files synced to my git repo. But I like how fast security updates get pushed and how stable Debian is though. Free system rollbacks are nice too.
It is unnecessary and provides no benefit to me.
>>109318244copemaxxing
>>109307740Because all my computers do different tasks anon.
>>109322300then you do a dendritic pattern dotfiles repo
>>109315464This. My server runs gentoo. I’ve looked into nix. It’s such a pain in the ass.
>>109322310No thank you. I’ll stick to normal distros. You made an entire distribution to solve a problem nobody has ever had in the history of computing.
>>109322310>dendriticwtf is this buzzword?
>>109323722what do you think it means?
>>109323778Something to do with nootropic smart drugs that were popular around the turn of the century.
>>109323722its a meme term for structuring your config around modularized features instead of hosts
>>109323778some nixxer meme word
>>109307740It sounds like a lot of work. It's a lot easier to just type>sudo apt install steam gamemode mangohudThan to edit some convoluted config file
>>109323722i don't even know i just asked codex to refactor it that way just to make myself feel good
>>109308852>Dylan M. Taylorliteral who
>>109307740Yep, moved over from Fedora and its been a breeze. Initial learning curve was somewhat a pain in the ass but knowing my programs ain't gonna have a hissy fit when a library gets broken which happened to me somewhat often in Fedora is nice. Been using flakes with home manager, its nice to just have a handful of files that tell the OS how i wanna use it.
>>109310657Another NixOS user, not the other anon.>are Nixpkgs vetted? Who is maintaining these? Is this worse or better than the AUR?Yes, there are designated maintainers for packages and each package needs a maintainer before it can be added. Being a maintainer is a commitment and they do stuff like backporting security fixes before upstream, for example.>- do I have to learn a new language to install packages?Yes, but don't worry, Nix is easy. You won't be using much of it to install packages, that's basically just adding a line to your config and rebuilding.>- how stable is the system? Nix users always talk about rolling back or pinning packages, I've never had to do that in ANY distro.Extremely stable. Rollbacks are actually a good thing. It lets you experiment with big changes without a fear of locking yourself out or needing a recovery usb. I only rollback very very rarely because I use unstable (rolling release) but if you use stable you should never need to.>- would nix packages take up more storage and ram than traditional distros (debian, arch, fedora)No. Everything is compiled and stored only once, just like "traditional" distros. The main thing is that everything is "installed" in the store side-by-side; for example you can have two libc's installed at different paths and only one will be used by your running system.>- are nix packages slower?No.
They call me 0070 advantages0 work done7 hundred TBW wasted
>>109310657>>109329573>>- would nix packages take up more storage and ram than traditional distros (debian, arch, fedora)>No. Everything is compiled and stored only once, just like "traditional" distros. The main thing is that everything is "installed" in the store side-by-side; for example you can have two libc's installed at different paths and only one will be used by your running system.That's just a flat out lie. Packages only take up as much space as regular distros in ideal world, which it is not.Each package is input-addressed closue of its dependencies, each dependency is input-addressed closure of its dependencies, each...It takes a single patch anywhere in the closure to completely change the target, and the deeper the change the more things will have new hashes. Or not even a patch, just a stalled hydra job somewhere that only rebuilt half of the packages against new version of a common library.Pic is a great example using glibc on my system.
>>109322310how hard/time consuming is it to convert my repo to dendtritic pattern?
>>109330273>gcc 15.2.0gcc 16.1.0 is out stop using deprecated libraries
Because I setup my home stuff on debian, it works and months pass and I forget how to do basic shit on linux. Then the cycle repeats.
>>109307740nix is a horrible language. the shit is slow. and it's not worth the effort, unless you're managing an organization.
>>109331914It's not bad the tranny deva just won't stick to a standard and keep changing shit. Every other nix script I run has a deprecated/changed flag. Nigger no one can learn your shit if you keep changing stuff.
I'm using nixos but damn the documentation sucks. I cloned the repo of some random guy for my multi pc config and used clankers for complex stuff. For example I have to use idapro which is a custom flake, but then I overlay it with libs from the high seas versionI also managed with the clanker help to define my color theme with noctalia v5 instead of something like stylix
>>109307740I do use nix. I also use the home-manager module to install a bunch of packages into userspace, that are also applying my custom patches through overlays.I will however never (again) use nixos nor home-manager to manager dotfiles on my personal machines.The former I could see why someone would want to use it, though for me the cons outweigh the prost.Managing dotfiles with nix though, that's pants-on-head retarded, and anybody who suggest doing that is a quadruple retard. User configuration exists to be changed ad hoc on demand, all the time. If you want to fill them in programmatically just use chezmoi. Don't subject yourself to fucking home-manager.
>>109307740because i'm not a sysadmin
>>109307740It's extremely complex in order to implement a bunch of features I don't need or care about, it's slow, and I have no interest in using init systems that aren't Runit at this point.It seems useful in some contexts dealing with complex corporate environments where reproducibility matters and bootstrapping is unavoidable. My bootstrapping process is setting up /boot and extracting a tarball. I've never had a problem where I needed to "rollback" my system because of a fucked up line in a config somewhere. Nix seems like a great way to make my overall experience worse for no real benefit.
>>109330318its basically config bankruptcy, I restarted from scratch
>>109332062>only uses home-manager for packagedyou should look into hjem, it can do that and is much less bloatedhttps://hjem.feel-co.org/#installing-packages
>>109329456The name of the person who did the PR was Dylan M. Taylor.
>>109330273Those are two different glibc versions from different nixpkgs revisions.
>>109308164nixpkgs = nixlang
>>109331952>nigger no one can learn your shit if you keep changing stuffholy trvkei'm tired of updooting shit
>>109319134Yes. But even with it disabled, it will still allow for non-free firmware in the kernel Linux.I can't remember if NixOS even mentions it in their installer.
