Why is Linux development centered around fancy UIs and trying to look/feel like MacOS, while the actual underlying system is a mess of 1970s code and bugs? Nerds will argue for hours about which "userland" or desktop environment is better, but scream bloody murder if anyone dares suggest that the core OS should be worked on. "It's open source, if you care that much submit a commit yourself" they bellow. Linux if the literal definition of sprinkling glitter on shit.
Since when do users touch kernel code? fucking retard
>>109313729Believe me, no Linux GUI feels like MacOS or Windows.
there are teams working on desktop environments and teams working on the kernel and the underlying systems, you want the DE people to stop working for a while?
>>109313729Because freetards don't really know enough about anything from kernel design to user experience to do anything better.It's helpful to think of the entire Linux ecosystem as a cargo-cult: it's all low-quality copies, in the hope that THIS time the gods will smile on them and rain down marketshare/games/working drivers/Photoshop.
>>109313741even the most bloated lunix DEs can't get feature parity with windows XP or early 2000s OS X
>Linux development is centered around fancy UIs
>>109313741kde feels pretty much like a cleaner windows 10, I moved from 10 to linux and after a while I started forgetting I wasn't w10 and got bored of kde
>>109313775>kde feels pretty much like a cleaner windows 10>left click>a bunch of dev optionsyeah noKDE is a fucking mess, no wonder it breaks when it tries to appeal to everyone.sometimes having more and more options is not the best answer
>>109313741I dunno, Guhnoome feels a lot like macOS - in that can't be customised in any way, and you feel like you're tied in three straitjackets one on top of the other.
>>109313788Idk why it's so hard to have presets that you can choose to tune if you want some halfpoint instead.>Hello and welcome to KDE. Please choose one of the three presets to begin:>>MacFag>>WinFag>>PoweruserFagThen you could tailor the experience a bit better. But no, we have to jam EVERYTHING into one fucking version of the DE and bloat the fuck out of everything just because.
>>109313788>>109313805I was a complete tard when I switched and it was no issue for me, I don't know what dev options you're talking about, everything is in that one settings panel, (which is miles between than the clusterfuck that is window's controls panel). I used wayland and nvidia, both which are notoriously bad and I could figure it out. If you don't like KDE by all means go use some other DE, I'm just saying it took me no effort to get used to it.
>>109313802macOS is usable out of the box gnomeshit needs 100+ extension to be barely usable
>>109313949Probably the OS itself - I'm not going to pretend I've used it long enough to check. The Finder though, is barely more capable OOTB than File Manager from Windows 3.1.Guhnoomeshit doesn't need 100+ extensions, it needs a fiery death in a volcano somewhere. One thing I'll give Finder is that it's stable (probably precisely because it doesn't do anything). We may meme about *krashes*, but Guhnoomeshit is nearly as bad.
>>109314036>The Finder though, is barely more capable OOTB than File Manager from Windows 3.1.this is a blatant lie lol
>>109314085I won't pretend I wasn't being hyperbolic.But as mentioned, it's a fucking straitjacket compared to Windows Explorer.(to be fair, Guhnoomeshit is a ballgag, buttplug, handcuffs, and six homosexual men with HIV.)
xfce
>>109314152>straitjacket compared to Windows Explorer.windows explorer can't even open a folder full of images and videos without shitting itself
>>109314178Actually it can - but probably not on a 17 year old C2D with a 4200 RPM laptop hard disk as a boot device.
>>109314259https://www.elevenforum.com/t/delay-when-opening-a-folder.41465/lol
>>109313729>NerdsThat's the problem.These so called Nerds are not actually competent. Much more, they want to project an air of superiority and technological prowess, which they do not in fact have.This is why they talk about easy stuff, like how it looks.They cant really be factually wrong, thus not be proven incompetent and therefore be embarrassed.Additionally this benefits them in relatability towards the normie.The normie, who does not posses any deeper technological understanding, can not appreciate the real complexity, the philosophies and pseudo-philosophies, the trade-offs and decisions involved in the creation of the software.He can only appreciate how something looks and feels.Trying to tell him about any kind of details will be too much information, tiresome and boring.He will not understand and say he can't code, unable to discern any kind of effort, skill or complexity level.The normie may be impressed by the fact, that one is able to code(or further is a "Techie"), but cant be any more impressed by stuff he knows nothing about. He would judge some fag, who installed Ubuntu as equally impressive to Terry Davis on first glance, probably being drawn to the Ubuntu side a little more, due to how it looks and feels.
>>109313729Linux is the kernel you fucking retarded idiot.There is no "Linux userland"
>>109314354yes it's gnu userland for everyone
>>109314036Finder:>can rename multiple files (no windows equivalent)>can select multiple files and create a new folder for them in one click (no windows equivalent)>can resize, remove background and convert images (no windows equivalent)>space bar file preview with OCR (no windows equivalent)>has tabs since 2013 (only appeared in explorer in 2021)>can remember last selected file in a folder (no windows equivalent)>has tags and smart folders (no windows equivalent)>detects network shared drives automatically (need to add them by hand in windows)>can open folders with thousand of files and search / sort them instantaneously (no windows equivalent)>doesn't freeze when a network drive was disconnected more like windows explorer is barely usable
>>109313729android is nice tho, it is the best linux distro out there
>>109314259bullshit, winxp can still open it in 2 nanoseconds
>>109314493>(no windows equivalent)No first party Windows equivalent, anyone with a brain installs better software instead of locking themselves into MS defaults.>inb4 you're not supposed toYes I know I am supposed to never improve my Windows experience and pretend like it's unfixable so that Linux/Mac will look like they're a savior since Windows is this unusual OS that enforces mental blockades onto the user that only free up when they switch to a different OS.Go fuck yourself with this rhetoric, back in the 90's and 2000's it was common with anyone using Windows to install their own file managers, media players, image viewers etc. Even on MacOS it's common for people to use Alfred over Spotlight.
>>109314542Anyone can rape your machine if you're on winxp
>>109313729>Why is Linux development centered around fancy UIs and trying to look/feel like MacOSIt's not.What.
>>109314493>>109314542This tantrum would have easily fit in one post, y'know.
>>109313729the internet is run on Linux, OP. AFAIK it doesn't run on Windows or MacOS.
>>109315099Your years-dead Turdpress blog isn't "the internet" anon, any more than the graffiti in the back alley where your mom gives gobby is "the wall holding the building up".
>>109315117show me a server that works on MacOS or Windows, anon. I will wait, I am a patient man.
>>109313729It isn't. You're a retarded tranny who doesn't know the first thing about software development, Linux, or any of the other underlying systems.
>>109315117FORTY KEKS
>>109313729That's just gnome really
>>109315237This is one of my fave copypastas I created.I'm glad to see it's still in circulation.
>>109313853Yet another victim of the linux cult, instead of learning how to edit a few lines in the registry that fix 99% of your issues you opted for chopping off your di..., computer's functionality for no reason at all.
>>109313775KDE feels like a what Windows would have been like if they'd kept working on user experience and performance instead of dogshit memes
>>109315200Servers probably work just fine on Mac, but nobody is buying a fleet of Macs to deploy a server.
>>109315250macOS is a BSD, retard.
>>109313729Do you think the Windows kernel is perfect just because you can't audit it or something
>>109317833goalposting much?
>>109318218I'm not that anon. I'm just saying, macOS works fine as a server, but nobody does that because it's too expensive. Wasn't 4chan hosted on two Mac Studios or something for a while?
>>109313729>while the actual underlying system is a mess of 1970s code and bugs?how does it have 1970s code and bugs, when linux itself is from 1991? hell gnu started in 1983, but gnu coreutils are about the same age as linux.
>>109318569it has 1970s bugs because linux is a cargo cult copy of unix which is from 1969they still have bullshit like "teletype" and "line printer" and SIGHUP along with the absolutely brain damaged APIs for accessing system information (it's not even an API, it's just a bunch of fake auto-generated text files in a fake auto-generated /sys or /proc folder)
Right, right..Besides, why do you care, faggot? keep using you windows/mac/whatever and linux users will continue with their os.
>>109313853you are trying to have a good faith conversation with a shill/retard whose entire life revolves around... I don't know, don't try to make sense of these subhumans, you will only confuse yourself further. enjoy your KDE, anon.
>>109319715you are literally cargoculting mental retardation, nigger
>>109315117To be fair, loontroons are drooling morons and think "server" means "web server".As the only server where Linux dominates, it's how their rationalize this particular delusion.
>>109323538Name ONE real use case for Windows Server. Hard mode: Don't mention the swiss cheese security Active Directory that you have to put behind 10 layers of firewalling, intrusion detection and other network security (all Linux-powered btw) to not get pwned immediately.
>>109324943>name ONE reason air exists>hard mode: don't mention that everyone needs to breatheMy God, it isn't an act is it? You actually believe the shit that stupid pedo vaxxtard jew programmed into your blank brain, don't you?Exchange Server. Sharepoint. Hell, literally any server that isn't handling one (1) connection per year for the default.html of your "my favorite cereal boxes" page (copyright (C) 2014 Braindead Freetard, everything I say is wrong and don't let me try to project on anyone else).You and your kind are stupid, irrelevant pieces of shit, and always will be.
>>109313729>trying to look/feel like MacOSwhy are freetards like this
>>109313761what can XP do that arch kde + wine cant?
>>109313729you live in a bubble
>>109327962Run any of the 16 billion Windows drivers.
>>109328571why?
>>109328683Because there's so many more of them, and they're so vastly superior to, Troonix drivers.I know as (presumably) a Troonix user you have quite a deliberate blind spot on this topic, but let me reiterate: hardware support has been in the top two complaints about Troonix for at least 30 years.
>>109328722what hardware doesnt work on linux
>>109313729>Linuxfound your problem
>>109313729>Why is Linux development centered around fancy UIs and trying to look/feel like MacOS,Linux is closer in design to MacOS. They aren't trying to copy it out right, it's just a logical destination for trying to make UX work with the underlying system.>while the actual underlying system is a mess of 1970s code and bugs?Linux has far more application than just the desktop. Developers have to account for other things like servers, kiosks, IoT, embedded etc. It's often not a bug, just a configuration issue where you accidentally get a config meant for a server or something.>Nerds will argue for hours about which "userland" or desktop environment is better, but scream bloody murder if anyone dares suggest that the core OS should be worked on.There's also no such thing as the "core OS" to begin with. As I'm sure you've heard Linux is just one component of a complete OS that can be used with countless userlands and configurations. So in a way arguing about the userland is a debate over how to improve the "core OS".>The solution?All I have are my own opinions. But I will say this. 90% of "desktop environments" aren't actually desktops environments. They're implementations of the FreeDesktopOrg standards which get constant interference from politically motivated individuals, various orgs and companies (Red Hat, Canonical, Google), and it was never great to begin with. So everything is already on shaky ground. On top of that like I mentioned previously desktop distributions have to compensate with components made for servers and the like. Everything is going through an adapter made to fit a square block into a circular hole, and the adapter is made of wood!FOSS devs also aren't as motivated to provide a nice UX for normies. They're developers, they already know the commands and work arounds to fix an issue on their machine.
>>109313729>Linux development centered around fancy UIsB8 or retarded?Linux development is centered around CLI for servers.The most popular Linux UI is pic related.
>>109313729what's the use case for loonix?
>>109318236Mac Mini, not Studio as Studios came with the M-series and this happened in the early 2010s. But yeah you're right. I don't think it ran MacOS but I am not sure about that
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>>109327129>Exchange ServerMail server.>Sharepoint"Place, Japan", but it's Web Server, Intranet.>market share meme>Why does your FREE operating system not show up on the chart that shows how much money people spend on operating systems, huh?Microsoft really aren't sending their best.
>>109313741wrong
>>109313741agreed, mac and winblows don't come close in UX (workspaces, keybinds, window management)
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