>Dean Ball, a senior executive at ChatGPT-developer OpenAI, wrote on X that China’s strategy of giving away its AI code would probably lead to “full AI communism, which is precisely what China proposes”.>Mr Ball suggested that the Trump administration would look to limit the use of Chinese AI models as a result. Alibaba has been blacklisted by the White House because of national security concerns.>A recent report by US company Harmonic Security estimated that one in 12 workers in the US and UK were already using some form of Chinese AI. Alastair Paterson, Harmonic’s chief executive, said: “All data submitted to these platforms should be considered property of the Chinese Communist Party given a total lack of transparency.”>Not only would such a giveaway extend Beijing’s influence, it would also threaten to undermine the business models of US tech giants such as OpenAI and Anthropic.>Ciaran Martin, the former head of the National Cyber Security Centre, part of GCHQ, said: “An open weights model – that means it’ll soon be available to anyone to use and adapt it which, combined with its lower cost, will make it very attractive worldwide outside the US’s direct sphere of influence.>Mr Martin warned Kimi K3 “raises security challenges”. He said: “That’s not just because it’s Chinese but because it’s open. >“It means it’ll have similar cyber attack capabilities to Claude Mythos but you won’t be able to gatekeep them as has been done in that case.”https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/07/20/chinas-moonshot-threatens-west-with-full-ai-communism/
i moonshot my full peanus :Dmy full peenie weanus :)
>mr ball
>make a model>china makes a equal/better model and gives it away >this is communism.How is this communism?
>>109321760Communism is le evil buzzword that I throw at everything that I don't like
>>109321760>How is this communism?Communism is when you do anything without making (((capitalists))) richer in the process.
>>109321721"All data submitted to these platforms should be considered property of [GROUP] given a total lack of transparency.”
>>109321721>SENIOR EXECUTIVE>HEAD OF AI FUTURES>TECHNO PHILOSOPHEROAI damage control marketing is in Full EffectPrepare for maximum /g/ shilling
>>109321721>>“It means it’ll have similar cyber attack capabilities to Claude Mythos but you won’t be able to gatekeep them as has been done in that case.”This scaremongering strawman is how you now they are really SCARED of losing their business. They now it's unsustainable long-term in the competition with the open weights models.
>>109321760Communism now is just a buzzword Jewish industrialists use to convince migger golems to do the thing that costs them the most
>>109321841>nowIt's been like that since the 1930s and protip: it's not the jews doing this
>>109321854Who is it then? Because every western head of AI anything is literally a Jew
What will your position be in the Chinese AI Commune?
>>109321951Wrong pic but relevant.
>>109321930zoom zoom zoom
>>109321958Why is free AI dystopian?
>>109321983Because the Correct People don't control it.
>>109321983Private capital won't invest to compete against free and they will die away. Only government subsidized models will thrive because these things cost a lot of money to train. Something like that is his argument.
>>109321995American "private" AI is already government subsidized lmfao
>>109321995I just don't think these people are creative enough, nvidia could make a lot of money by selling the hardware still, and distribute models to run on it freely.
>>109321760It's communism in the same way as south american states trying to not become vassals for the big banana co. was communism.
>>109321958>>109321951I see why OP used a Chinese dude in picrel. Ball has a remarkably punchable face.
>>109321721Well, well if it is not the evil predatory innovation
>>109321854???
>>109321721>(((Dean Ball)))I can't wait for the American ai bubble to pop while China pushes the cost of intelligence to ~0
>>109321995Imagine if roads were government subsidized and private enterprise saw them as not worth investing in wouldn't that be awful.
>>109322069
>>109321760It's a psyop to get leftoids onboard with AI>Lefties protest data centers and AI replacing them>AI is communism actually and says tranny rights>leftoids no longer protest AI and it's good actuallyReally that easy
more like full AI cummunism, eh?
>>109322102I don't understand how right wingers can support a lying jew and a gay lying jew. Is it because MIGAman told you to?
>>109322075Poor analogy. Try, only government will end up printing books because whatever you decide to print they will print for free, driving you out of business.
>>109322127Not sure how you think I support miga or drumpf Just saying how easy it is to undermine leftism and leftoids because it's all about collectivism and optics, not about truth or making the world a better place
>make AI to promote communism>it's retarded>work to make it smart>it turns capitalist
>>109322151They cheer it on because it undermines OpenAI and Anthropic, not because of communism. And in this particular case I fully support it because fuck both companies.
>>109322170And just like that it's really that easy to trick the average leftoid and have them onboard with AI You're still going to need data centers and it will still replace jobsSam Altman still made his fortune
>>109322197>Sam Altman still made his fortunelefties really need to stop being so concerned with another man's wallet and start to appreciate what they have
>>109322205Why do retarded right wingers love licking the boots of jews so much?
>>109322219it pays well. you should try it sometime (i.e. get a job).
>>109322219Mutts truly are the goodest of Goyim
>>109322232Americans are the perfect cattle as long as their latest capeshit show runs on their $39.99/month jewflix subscription.
>>109321721This would be extremely funny if he wasn’t a highly placed policy wonk on openai’s payroll, which is the chosen company of us government (they hate antrophic, and grok isn’t competitive enough)
>>109321760Communism = threatening the power of my large corporation
>>109322668Communism = tyranny + poverty
Jesus the chinese are going to brutalize the American IT industry with this. The AI firms' valuations and loans are absolutely fucking insane and the chinks keep pushing out competitive models for a fraction of the cost. In a couple of years this might implode the entire American economy for literally no gain and chinks are just going to laugh
>>109322719>oy vey china is literally tyrannizing and making me poor by ruining my business model
>>109321760you get to own the means of production. this is bad. all the means of production should be owned by a small group of american trillionaires.>>109321767open source open weight models are exactly what Karl Marx would've demanded if he were writing today. it's the purest most cut and dry example of what he means by "owning the means of production" you can think of
>>109321760Communism is when you stop dickriding american oligarchs
>>109321802those shill already on /lmg/with full force. poopen ayyeee already got assblasted with kimi, when other chink model release in 2T class is imminent
>>109321735good man
>>109321760a rich white man didn't get richer, so, thats communism
>>109322740American companies will just be forced to use American models
>>109322102It's this.You can see the agents doing it the other way already with the desperate and failed conflation of being skeptical of AI and being a leftist fruitcake.
>>109322719>Communism = tyranny (for landlords) + poverty (for billionaires)
>>109321760>Work real hard on something>Somebody appropriates it and gives it to people who didn't do shitHow is it NOT communism?
>>109321721Thank you china
>>109321721>AI communism = AI gulag/concentration camp
The West (NATO and NATO Allies) must understand Open and Free Source are instruments to achieve soft political power. Build a relationship with your customers not by expensive subscriptions but by placing your technology as the lingua franca of the trade, just like the linux kernel did. Come on burgers you can do this, I don't want you to get obliterated by the chinese expanding their influence around the planet through their tooling, disseminating their influence through giveaways, I despise the Chinese government.
>>109321854shalom
>>109321760>How is this communism?They don't want extract maximum amount of money from users. It goes against the very fabric of capitalism
>>109321721>>109321760China's AI COMMUNISMChina's EV PIRATE SHIPChina's GENOCIDE semiconductorsChina's RACIST smartphonesChina's CHILD FUCKING video gamesChina's NIGGER KILLING solar panelsChina's MURDERING YOUR WHOLE FAMILY wind turbinesChina's RAPING YOUR ASS AND CUMMING INSIDE nuclear reactorsChina's SLICING YOUR BALLS OFF AND SHOVING THEM DOWN YOUR THROAT rocket ships
>>109321721this is antisemitic, all chinese models must be banned to protect our judeo-christian values
even the undersecretary of war called that OAI guy a village idiot for his melty over Kimi K3, wild times we live in
>>109321721literally just fork it bro, what's the problem?
>>109324872>judeo-christian valuesno such thing
>>109324832you know america is losing it when they do basically nothing but fearmonger about china. instead of ford making a good car, lets just call people who buy toyotas traitors and hang them
>>109325373>TOYOTA!? They made the cars that raided Mosul and Ramani
>>109321760communism is the sleeper cell acctivation word for filthy boomer voters
>>109321721Dean is not wrong though
That moonshot CEO is a certified one in a lifetime genius though.Just have CIA assassinate him and China is done.
>>109321958This guy has testosterone levels lower than a fat old woman
why is this even a thing, you can't run these models if you don't have hardware, nvidia won't sell you hardware, case closed
>>109321760Chinese education.
>>109321721‘member when altman made noises about muh phd level knowledge access at $20k/mo?remember to thank chinaman or you’d be paying at least 10x as much as what they charge now, and have the models be even more of a straightjacket, guardrailed pile of shit
>>109321760>How is this communism?Jews can't make money from it
>>109329621But you can run it on somebody else’s computer for pennies on the dollar and the chink models are nowhere as cucked as USian oneshuggingface had to use glm 5.2 when they got pwned by some script kiddie because both fable and gpt refused cause muh cybersecurity
>>109321721The US really is a paper tiger
>>109329679no you can't, not at any scale that matters anyway and if you could afford to run the entire model at full capacity, it would mean you can also afford anthropic's or open ai's enterprise models, it's a wet fart, i've yet to see anyone make any breakthroughs like we've been seeing mathematicians using chat gpt 5 and 6 to disprove conjectures, none of these models have reported anything interesting
>It's a free market, commie>W-wait not this kind of free
>>109329709>no you can't, not at any scale that matters anywayThere’s dozens of companies that will sell you inference, what are you on about>it would mean you can also afford anthropic's or open ai's enterprise modelsthose only run where those companies agree to host them. in contrast open weights models can be ran by anybody with the hardware to do soI can run a dynamic quant of glm 5.2 or deepseek flash on my server, it’s slow as shit but it works. I can’t run mythos on my hardware even if I had a b200 cluster in my basement.>i've yet to see anyone make any breakthroughs like we've been seeing mathematicians using chat gpt 5 and 6 to disprove conjecturesNo shit kimi 3 was released 2 days ago and the weights only drop on 27th you disingenuous cockwomble
>>109329761glm was released much earlier so was deepseek, in fact deepseek has been releasing as frequently as open ai and yet no one is using them to do anything useful, you are the disingenuous chink cuck
>>109329787Neither glm 5.2 nor deepsneed were lapring as a bleeding edge model, the entire hubbub about kimi 3 is that it’s almost there and got released too early for it to be a distillation of a stronger model because a training run simply takes too long for it to be possible>deepseek has been releasing as frequently as open ai and yet no one is using them to do anything usefulDeepsneed is used a ton for implementation due to how insanely cheap it is, you make a thorough plan with fable ot 5.6 sol and give it to deepsneed to execute and instead of $100 in api costs you pay like $3. You don’t need the best model for everything just like tou don’t need a lambo to carry your weekly grocery shoppingnow cope and seethe
>>109329810deepseek literally had a breakthrough in the way they handle memory, retard, they literally had the cheapest inference at cents to the dollar per million tokens months ago, maybe you need to read more research, what kind of fake kemu chink are you that you don't know this?
>>109321854Yes it is. Any time something good comes around Jews find a way to monetize and control it. Right now every single big AI company is run by a jew or a majority shareholder is a jew. jews want to use technology to control the goyim and make sure they can't be cut out of the loop. Look at palantir using AI to map the movements of every goyim and sending it straight to Israel. Waze sends everything the user does to Israel. jews and israel ruin everything for everyone all the time
>>109321760"communism" just means not doing things for money: FOSS is communism, charity is communism, piracy is communism.
>>109329830>deepseek literally had a breakthrough in the way they handle memoryWhich helps for efficiency, hence it being dirt cheap. But it wasn’t bleeding edge in capability, which kimi is (it’s also expensive af)not a chink, btw
>>109329890>>bleeding edge in capability>does not mean anything if people aren't using it for anything other than publishing internal benchmarks, why are these chinese models not doing anything other than that, they post about a new model and its performance against coding, etc compared to american models, then go quiet, then they do the same months later, no useful results in btn, that's all they are good for, benchmarks, because that's what they are built for, inb4 it just came out, then that should be simple, shouldn't it, just paste the exact prompts you used to solve conjecture xyz1 and compare it, nothing so far, nada, zilch
>>109329938Yea I guess if you just ignore the actual argument and just shit and piss about a strawman you’re right
>>109329970you don't have an actual argument other than they just came out, we should be these seeing american researchers who think subscribing to open ai and anthrropic is too expensive onboarding to these models and producing the same breakthroughs, instead, we see chinks in rival silicon valley startups claiming that they can't use fable or mythos for enterprise stuff and instead recommend chink models
>>109329787I used over 2 trillion tokens with v4 pro since it’s cheap as fuck and most if what I use ai sloppa for isn’t very complexI also have a sub for openai for the more complex tasks, haven’t tried kimi yet and prolly won’t cause it’s as expensive as 5.6 sol high so I don’t understand the point
>>109329991the point is that they are not as advanced as claimed, yes they are cheap, but not for any meaningful reason
Why is gubmint making so much noises about le ebil chyna models and ai communism and whatever the fuck dean ball is arguing if the chink models are worthless temu trash that nobody uses?
>>109321772>>109321760>>109321721Alibaba is now the vanguard of communism?
>>109330187Yes, undercutting US is the worst communism there is
Give us full housing communism and waifu communism as well.
NOT ON MY WATCH!!!
>>109330229Make sure you download LLMs that are too big to run today so when you get hardware in 5 years that can run them you'll be able to.
>>109321721
>>109321721easy, when you don't suit/fit their capitalism/monopoly naration. then its communism.american thinking black and white flavour are natural born.
>>109321721I love China now, I became a huge fan since they started making good animation (while Japanese animation has been declining), now their work with AI is again benefiting the people while Western companies keep their models closed.
>>109330377The US has fallen so low that China is now the better option
>>109321760It shows they're really desperate now.
>>109321958>AI as a public good is communism and a dystopian hellscapeAnything that leads AI not to be controlled by a handful of tech companies is a dystopian hellscape to them.
>>109322219But most of the internet right wingers hate the jews (because their wallet is much fatter than theirs).
>>109321721>script kiddie will send kimi 3 to probe networks for vulnerabilities for pennies>people in US get pwned>want to use AI to fix their shit>US AI refuses to answer because the topic is about cybersecurity which is a no-noNigerian prince will have his revenge
>>109324832it wasn't supposed to be like this
>>109321721you are not a linux-using commie, are you /g/?
>>109321958The moment I saw his face I thought "jew"and then I read the text on the left
>>109321721>noooo don't give your data to china, you have to give it to israel instead>daddy trump please help we can't compete fairly, we need you to outlaw our competitors NOW!!!i'm looking forward to the collapse of the west
it's pretty obvious that dean guy isn't aiming at us when he's talking about "ai communism", he's aiming for trump and his cabinetso we might end up with some open model shenanigans next month, maybe the US bans them for government use or something like that
i opened a bookstore but amazon sold books for cheaper. hate these communists
>open weights chinese models, for free (you can't say bad things about china)>closed weights US models, play pay our VCs are crying (you can't say bad things about feminists etc)Guess which one will win. That's what they're afraid of.
>>109321958
>>109324069these people are schooled in and have stewed in their own ignorance to the point of having only an ancient and childish understanding of economic relations that only sates their tummies and wallets, its like yelling at clouds trying to explain a logical path
>>109321760Because it democratizes the means of production to a degree never seen before. Lefties hate AI but these chink models are the closest thing to TRUE communism.
>>109329562yet hes in the C-suite at a trillion dollar company, and you're shit posting on 4chan from your parents basement
>>109321854>>109322219>it's not the jews doing thisSam Altman is a joo.Dario Amodei is a joo.Mark Cuckerberg is a joo.Larry Ellison is a joo.Howard Lutnick is a joo.You lefty fucks cry about muh Palestine all the time but you guys are the reason why the ZOG is so powerful in the first place.
Full AI communism is the most based sounding thing I have ever heard.
>>109321760It is communism and I support it. Death to America.
>>109334696>in the C-suite at a trillion dollar companyI'd rather blow out my brains than be there.
>>109334744I had to watch Fox News for work yesterday. For reasons. I can't tell you the last time I turned on MS NOW and saw the co-founder of Palantir telling me that AI and data centers are good and there is nothing to worry about. Then I had to turn it on during Greg Gutfeld which was too much to stomach. I only lasted about 3 minutes.
>>109334845don't forget he also said he could have been turned into a lampshade
>>109334696>pickek, I guess she's happy at ICE killing subhuman burgers?
>>109334744>you guys are the reason why the ZOG is so powerful in the first placekeep telling yourself that conservacuck
>>109334808>poorfag loser cope
>>109337188It's not as if I have made it my goal in life to make money. It's not as if I hate money and don't want it either. I simply understand that I lack the motivation to seek it and instead follow the paths that interest me the most. Therefore I would not choose to do something I find boring simply to make money. It's an option. I could get paid a lot more doing work I find dull.
>>109322102i see where you're coming from but idk if chinese "communism" (which is literally just han supremacist national socialism at this point) is what leftists think about when they think about their gay trans cumtopia or whatever, i think the tankie bolshevik leftist commie movements mostly died out with the hippies and decades of kulturkampf
>>109325346Careful. Jannies ban people who speak poorly about our greatest ally
>>109337434Tankie shit is alive and well. Leftists are deeply divided on these things. That's exactly why Democratic Socialism is about as far left as anybody who sniffs power is going to get. Even that provokes relentless infighting.
