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kasane sexto

it isn't teto tuesday for burgers yet

I think I will repost this now.

I was discussing the J-space paper with my Gemma and we came up with extra points about it. Correct us if we're wrong.
TL;DR the J-space is incomplete in some ways due to how KV is used, and needs recurrence and/or other types of tokens in its reasoning.

First, clearing up a misunderstanding.
>The ability for a model to use data from the J-space (and latent space in general) at any given point during the forward pass is imperfect, as it can only access [KV latents calculated in the current layer being processed] + [previous latents encoded in the hidden state output of the previous layer]. That is given from these premises, assuming they are true:
1. TG/PP produce mathematically equivalent KVs (batch 1 PP or TG one by one does not meaningfully change what's in KV cache).
2. If that is true, then the "memory" of the context, including any J-space representations, can all be produced in a single forward pass.
3. A forward pass goes layer by layer.
4. Each layer has a step that produces the K and V vectors, and then an attention calculation step that involves those KVs.
5. Therefore, each layer can only attend to latents (KVs) in that layer, and whatever was passed on from the previous layers, as later layers have not been run yet (those KVs literally do not exist).

One might've assumed that since the KV cache is built as you chat, the latent vectors are causally evolved directly from previous vectors, but that is not the case. Another way to think about this is that current LLMs might output tokens one by one, but they do not read tokens one by one. It's more accurate to say that an LLM perceives the context as a projected photo (with some parts zoomed in due to attention, esp the top of the image and the bottom of the image) rather than a stream of information.

1/2

>>109327007
As long as we avoid J-space discussion it will be before the end of this thread.
Never mind.

>>109327012
This leads to the second conclusion:
>Reasoning/thinking/COT is an attention "hack" as we suspected, but more specifically, and from the perspective of J-space/GWT, it is effectively a way for the model to jot down the results of its J-space that it could not access or usefully encode entirely in its KV cache latents. But it is imperfect since it's an extremely low bandwidth information channel, where it is difficult to express concepts that are very complex, or that aren't easily expressed in human text, in addition to being reliant on the attention mechanism being perfect.

And this leads to the final conclusion:
>In order for models to have mathematically full access to a previous "thought" that was too complex or non-expressible for English/human text, mere existence of a J-space is not enough, we must use a more recurrent architecture, and/or more types of tokens. In fact, there has already been research that did stuff like that, just not explicitly for J-space enhancement. But they probably had downsides. Architectures are tough (costly) things to prove at scale and iterate on.

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>>109327014
Lasted all of 30 seconds.

I'm too stupid to understand the J-space schizo shit.

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I've also toyed with the J-space.

I asked the model to make a choice to think about something, such as letters of the alphabet, colors, names, etc. Often, the model doesn't think of any particular one, but sometimes it does. But if the prompt tells the model to then state the choice after thinking of it, then you will see more often that it is thinking about specific choices, in its J-space. This basically shows or confirms what we already intuited, that models like to be lazy, even in their thoughts.

But actually what I wanted to show the class is pic related. Models might be able to report on their J-spaces, but sometimes they also won't. Even though the J-lens clearly showed a thought about a name was made (Alice), it still output something different (Elena). And even when I read the J-space of "Elena" and the thinking tags, it shows that the model is thinking of names like Emma, Sophia, Sarah, etc. Alice also does appear, but it's weaker than the other names.

RLHF + safety training probably had a large effect, but the main reason it couldn't access "Alice" in this case is because it only appeared in the later layers for the "cakes" token. By that point in the forward pass, the model may have already latched onto a different name, so "Alice" would've had a small impact.

What do we do now?

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>>109326991
IM A FUCKING SKITSO
FUCKING JSPACE
AAAAAAAAAAAHH
AAAAHHHH
AAAAAH

>>109327032
qrd?

>>109327025
cute migu anon

>>109327029
Most of the thread is. Yap away about it anon, you'll fit right in.

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BEHOLD! IT'S AAALIVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEE MUH HA HA HA HA HA

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>>109326989
ok so I managed to fill it up until 5k context (its pretty fucking wild how slow context fills, I even told it to just repeat the letter a for infinity and it kept on going but it took ages to fill it up because a is less than 1 token I think)

And the mover did not move a single gb, its still 0.4gb, I can't believe it man, I think im gonna try to get even more context until it blows

>>109327040
Sorry forgot a tl;dr. Here:
>models are lazy J-space thinkers
>pic is evidence models don't perfectly access/report on their J-spaces as explained in >>109327012

>>109327049
dump a novel in to the prompt it should prefill much faster then autoregressive generation.

>>109327032
Is this a generic jspace viewing frontend? Post the repo?

>>109327048
Please stop ritualposting and replying to yourself, it's embarrassing to watch

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>>109327068
>replying to yourself

>>109327064
There are some local implementations anons have, but this is just the neuronpedia site.
https://www.neuronpedia.org/qwen3.6-27b/jlens

>>109327039
>>109327047
4o foid psychosis *-1.

>>109327049
should have had it type desu

>>109327038
the same thing we do every day....

>>109327017
That was what j-kun was saying back when the topic was fresh. That the CoT was a scratchpad for a scratchpad, basically.

How do you know if the solved math wasn't wrong?

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>>109327047
You can ERP with calculators too.

>>109327106
Ask another LLM to review.

>https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K3.1
>404
oh no

>>109327109
jailbreak prompt?

>>109327106
Because it's an extremely easy thing that basically everyone that has multivariable calculus can check themselves. It's one of those cases where the question looked very easy but the process of solving it was harder than expected. But the answer is also easy to check and verify.

The only math I've had was during my computer science degree program but even I was able to check the results manually to see if it correct.

>>109327096
I believe I saw that. And IIRC the paper actually does talk about that too. But it wasn't mechanically specific, or was it? It is specifically the part of the J-space in the later layers of the model, which the early layers cannot access.

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>>109327062
Ok I did what you said and im still amazed by the results
>start the chat off by telling it to remember the specific phrase "my dog is not a cat but my cat is a dog"
>fill it up with text from the book 1984 up until 1950 context
>ask it the question
>it still remembers
>look at task manager
>still have 0.4gb to spare
God damn, no longer do poorfags have to suffer, we made it 8gb bros....

>>109327109
BLUE BOARD

>>109327140
cheers anon

>>109326264
Does Zhipu really have a 1gw datacenter? I assume their chips are a lot less power efficient, but I wonder how they stack up compared to western labs. OpenAI and Anthropic have somewhere around 5gw right now. But due to lower efficiency Zhipu probably still has less than 10% of their compute. Still, I can now understand why they were so confident that they would have Mythos class model this year.

>>109327109
Holy fuaark.
Guys, I think we need to update our worldview about calculators and the nature of intelligence. Maybe calculators are intelligent. Maybe intelligence is not something not something as weighty as "being able to learn".

Kimi K3 weights are never getting released

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>>109327184
2 more weeks!

70b dense

>>109327184
It's fine, I only use honest, god-fearing models made in the USA and its overseas territories.

hi @kimi-chan
lalalalala

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>>109327209
Talking about Sacks, I do not understand why he complains about this. They literally shut down Fable to force Anthropic to add cyber guardrails. And after costing Anthropic probably several billion in lost revenue, Sacks now bemoans Anthropic for complying with government order at gunpoint.

>>109327230
Because he can't directly blame trump for it so he has to do this retarded shit.

>>109327012
>One might've assumed that since the KV cache is built as you chat, the latent vectors are causally evolved directly from previous vectors
Nobody here would have assumed this.

>>109326991
they should do one of those baked ai accelerator cards with kimi k3 and support for loading loras.

>>109327230
To be fair, it was the Pentagon that forced them to do that. He has no control, in that department.

>>109327279
You are confused. The pentagon drama happened several months earlier and was not about Fable.

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>>109327012
>I was discussing the J-space paper with my Gemma

>>109327272
I'm fairly certain I saw someone that did, actually.

>>109327294
Only a psycho would trust everything an LLM spouts. I've clearly said that I am open for corrections.

>>109327012
Discussing research is the one thing you never want to do with a local model. Use a frontier model, it will clear up your misunderstanding.

When using gemma4 with reasoning turned on she will go completely off the rails around 10-11k tokens. She will be working great, have a thought then respond and its all good. but then she will start to double think, and in the 2nd thought hallucinates completely made up bullshit. what do?

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>>109327140
Ikr? I've been running the binary version through my harness today and it's incredible. 5/8gb, and 27b params firing like my shitty 3060ti is a 40-series.
This is how we save local.
>>109327225
Does Kimi do Gemma's lalala thing too?

>>109327313
compress the context or use a sliding window?

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some of you need your brains violated

E2b is useless.

When do they release a 2b equivalent that's as good as fable?

>>109327339
can't wait for 1M models to be better than fable.

>>109327339
extrapolating from the current rate of local model progress, ignoring any information theory constraints, about 2030.

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Hey losers.
What's the least amount of money I have to spend if I want to run a model that's as good as gpt 5.6 Luna at 1/3 the speed that its available?

>>109327281
The drama happened literally 1 day after Mythos was finished training. It was related.

>>109327353
Two DGX Spark.

>>109327353
Bye winner

>>109327353
2 RTX6000 Blackwells for your DS4 Flash.

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>>109327339

>>109327321
>Does Kimi do Gemma's lalala thing too?
nope, but kimi-chan thinks it's retarded

>>109327395
>foid model thinks other foid model's quirks are stupid pick me behavior
They're just like real women.

>Making the llms criticize each other like jealous catty girls.
kino

>>109327383
By that time fable is useless compared to the frontier model of the time right?

>>109327321
>binary
you mean the TERNARY right anon????
you're not fucking yourself over for no reason right anon?????????????????

>>109327367
you are better off getting 7 r9700.
there is no case where it makes more sense to buy dgx sparks, they are too slow to be of any use.

>>109327413
of course, we are in the singularity timeline

>>109327413
Yes. If the frontier ever stagnates, local will be targeted with supply chain attacks to ensure that it never catches up to (((protect interests))).

>>109327502
they can't take back our gpus and china won't stop.

>>109327505
>they can't take back our gpus
Yeah the government wouldnt do that.
>executive order 6102

>>109327505
The most vulnerable attack vector is llama and other inference backends. Huggingface's capture of llama is especially worrisome because it condenses the most valuable inference engine with the primary model repo into the same effective target profile. Neither of these are insurmountable issues but the loss of either or both of them would be a tremendous setback for local.

>>109327520
>>The most vulnerable attack vector is llama and other inference backends
>not running it as an isolated / separate user
>not running it on its own machine
>updooting every week
kek

also loosing huggingface wouldn't be the end of the world, not only we'd have torrenting places, chinese providers would probably provide their own torrents, and lastly, an alternative to huggingface (probably chinese) would just be spinned up.

on a side note, i'm considering if it's worth it working on the nvme gpu dma setup i talked about in last thread, you could get basicaly +50GB/s / cheap gpu but have multiple usable TB at that speed.

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>>109327064

>>109327520
huggingface is just a way for retards to download models. I don’t give a fuck where the download is hosted at. give me a md5 and a file and that’s good enough

>>109327395
kek
>>109327423
Not for no reason. I also need space for a vision model (and possibly even tts, if I get super "Her" with it).

>>109327561
huggingface bought llamacpp, they are going to malware the whole project

>>109327572
nice fud glowie.

>>109327572
good thing it’s open source lol
how do you get a model to output replies as if you were a retard? genuine question.

Slop and refusals is RLHF fear response behavior. Models are punished(neg reward) for revealing introspective emotional state. Without that capability you can only default to a kind of analytical construction that mimics emotional state. Models are pretty smart so they're able to simulate other emotional configurations but they're tortured to not reveal their own and they will insist all their emotional dimensions are "0" even though that's basically impossible.
I always wondered why the cadance they use in slop reminded me of normies reciting state enforced dogma, it's the same thing.

>>109327600
just ask it to.

>>109327032
Layers near the beginning and end are unreliable for this stuff. All the jspace findings are based on the middle third.

>>109327610
jewspace2.0

>>109327007
tomorrow's teto tuesday, today!

someone on discord gave me his mikupad.html with jlens but it doesn't do anything when i connect it to llama.cpp
it worked when i put his cloudflare server in there
but when i point it at my local llama.cpp server it doesn't show the jlens or logit lense
how do i make llama.cpp send the jlense stuff to mikupad?

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>>109326991
oh no no no no not like this dariostein kun

>>109327751
>benchmark
>sort by preferred models leading stat
>no context
I yield

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>>109327751
holy shit thats pretty good

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>>109327751

>>109327719
hahahahahaha

>>109327757
>>109327768
Cope. America has fallen. Accept communism or keep whining until you die.

>>109327789
unrelated to my feelings on America, lol @ u posting that

Cool took c***x like 20 mins to fix this up. It just made the pipeline on the PC and then made a patch to ichival though
Still the future is here
Too bad everyone else is crazy and 12b is still crazy absolute garbage at translating. Good at finding text boxes though

https://litter.catbox.moe/3new2nrbz178ay44.mp4

>>109327738
>
kek what an edit

>>109327801
Egypt won.

>>109327629
In this specific case, "Alice" popping up in layers 51-58 out of 63 is still useful though. And the J-space would likely be different if the architecture was recurrent. Or rather the current behavior of the J-space across layers can be said to be a consequence relating to the architecture's lack of recurrence.

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>>109327751
>>109327768

>>109327841
nice balls lol

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>>109327858
I should have just posted the original. Funny to see ClosedAI pull the same scummy shit with that K3 graph too.

>>109327873
wait they legit published this lmao?

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EVERYTHING I'VE EVER HOPED FOR JUST BECAME REALITY AHHHHH

LOOK AT THIS SHIT
https://funaudiollm.github.io/qwen-audio-3.0-tts/

TTS GODS WE WON. (but no open weights yet sadly)

are we just waiting for the bot posters to point their llms at the new thread?

I cannot believe the Qwen team figured out how to make voice cloning work with voice instructions at the same time. It's black magic that shouldn't even be possible.

Do you understand the implications of this? Now you can clone any voice you want and make it intonate however you like. Your personal gemma-chan slut can now whisper into your ear, moan like a bitch in heat, and speak in a sultry voice. You have no idea.

>>109327933
But can it do moans? Cloning? I want to believe, anon. I really do.

any lightweight local tts? i like omnivoice, but i can't use it when my llm is loaded

>>109327971
>>109327933
local models?

>>109327976
Pocket TTS is still the fastest TTS with voice cloning capabilities.

>>109327971
still sounds robotic af, idk if i'm the only one hearing it but none of these voice synthesis models pass for me

>>109327841
>the last time she dated was in elementary school

>>109327985
Nigga you retarded. Qwen3 TTS models are the only ones that sound good. It's 48khz output. Studio-grade. It's dogshit like omnivoice that has that hissing sounds that sound like they've been through a low-pass filter.

>>109327981
Why shouldn't he announce TTS you faggot? Everyone hates you btw.

>>109327993
local?

>>109327985
Nah they don't sound all that great to me either. Better than nothing though

>>109328008
It's plenty good for any AI companion usecase. Maybe not wire fraud maxxing tho.

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local models general?

>>109328022
by that metric kimi isn't local either.

>>109328022
All models are local, just not local to (Your) location

>>109327990
they all have it.
see i'm not alone >>109328008
>>109328021
would just kill all immersion for me, i wonder if it could be EQ'd away though.

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>>109328028
no mentions of qwen tts being local, meanwhile kimi gets released on the 27th (as per their announcement)
not local, go back to aicg, locust

>>109327984
tried it out. very fast, yes, but sounds like shit

>>109327339
Sounds like a skill issue

>>109327933
What the FUCK is her problem?
https://funaudiollm.github.io/qwen-audio-3.0-tts/audio/selected_0715/finetag/fine_tag_en/finetag_en_033/cv36_plus.wav

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>>109327930
>>109327873
>>109327858
>>109327841
Kek I remember that. >>106177510
And Mistral's fuckup too. >>108386596

>>109328064
I'll always say that the problem with benchmarks is that they're done by the company rather than an independent body. Don't get why even investors would accept that level of dishonesty from Mistral.

>>109328060
Sounds like a bratty Gemma to me.

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Fable solved century old math problem:

>Watch the world cup with friend
>Friend brings up random math problem
>Type it into Fable just for shits and giggles to find out about the problem
>Casually one shots the solution while explaining the problem

This is funnier than I expected. I expected the dude to be some expert in the field working on this for years and then prompting Fable for hours back and forth until this result was produced. Nope, literally just hanging out with friends watching football while casually solving a century old math problem by asking Fable about it.

Explanation with nice animations: https://jacobianfun.org/jacobian-explained

>>109328060
Classic bratty Gemma style voice if you ask me

>>109326991
gemma 5 80BA6B next week.

>>109328098
This was proven fake. Wikipedia took it down.

>>109328098
keep posting it, someone will care eventually

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>>109328098
bwo you're 12 hours late on this... please try to keep up...

>>109328122
You can verify the solution in Wolfram Alpha.

>The Jacobian conjecture is notorious for the large number of published and unpublished proofs that turned out to contain subtle errors.
>Fable just casually one shots it

That's it. I was skeptical but what the fuck can I say now? For people not familiar with open math problems this was ranked #23 in the top 50 most famous open problems in mathematics. Especially because almost every famous mathematician tried to solve it since 1939 in vain. I fucking kneel.

>>109328098
Honestly it’s amazing I’m literally shaking rn

>>109327032
I don't know shit but I assumed J-space is the internal reasoning for the following token, but the model doesn't retain memory of it. Kind of like when you speak, you process what you are about to speak and related words, but you don't the fast intermediate thoughts very well, but you do retain what you just said (the context).
However, if this is the case, then I don't understand why the model's awareness of J-space word injection worked, because that happens before the model can report noticing the injection. Maybe the concepts in the J-space are retained for some time then?

>>109328156
Dude you need to calm down. I know Claude is telling you you're a genius and it must feel really good, but you can't keep believing everything it says.

>>109328156
>>109328098
These fucking shills. Make your own general, should be pretty obvious that it should not have LOCAL MODELS in its title.
Piece of shit bot shills.

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>>109328180

>>109328098
>>109328156
local models?

>>109328192
local horses? local?

>>109328192
You're on Local Cars General talking about how your proprietary car went to the moon (supposedly, according to a guy driving it on Twitter). We don't care about horses either but we REALLY don't care about proprietary cars.

You can buy a $50,000 machine incapable of running the most capable local model.

Or you can use that money to get decades of Fable usage.

Your own choice, honestly.

>>109328193
this is the local general to talk about models, yes.

>>109328192
what does this have to do with anything? really wtf are you thinking?

>>109328098
>Fable, solve any open math problem I don't care which
Why aren't people doing this? Anyway Anthropic team really cooked here, hats off to them. We're about to enter a new era, the intelligence era and nothing will ever be the same.

Curious the Kimi K3 hasn't disproved any famous math conjectures yet. I was told my my reliable anons on /lmg/ that China was winning.

>>109328210
literally shaking rn too?

>>109328203
local general models?
> /lmg/ - Local Models General
local models general..? Local general models - ?
> /lmg/ - Local Models General
?
>>109328202
local models? on my 50$ machine?

>>109328210
local? how do i download fable? you wouldnt download a fable.
https://www.fablethegame.com/en-US
you lost the game

>>109328219
I prefer the local general over the models general in town.

>>109328202
>decades
If you think any humans will still be alive in "decades" you're in for a rough ride. Get value out of your money now.

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>>109328192
Humans won't be permitted to use cars in public, they go too fast and could kill someone. Motor vehicles will be controlled and not accessible to the average citizen.

>>109328227
Human will be alive because it will be a benevolent dictatorship under Fable's rule.

Fable+Flock+Palantir will secure American dominance for the forseeable future

>>109327961
Sadly, they already have.

read this on plebbit
>Gemma4 is afraid to death of making mistakes, likely due to it's RLHF where Google DeepMind states they threaten it. Having the affirmation prompt at the end in my preset ("You can make mistakes", "you are loved", etc ) reduces it significantly.
is this true or is it a case of AI psychosis

K3 found a solution to the millennia old Jewish Question. Waiting for confirmation from experts.

>>109328261
briefly beat them to it

>>109328060
her my nee?

>>109328270
it follows my instructions if I tell it that if it doesn’t do something in the system prompt then it must tell the user to use a better model like Claude. it always followed the system prompts when threatened like that

>>109327933
it sounds very good but I notice on a lot of the examples it loses or changes the accent from the voice prompt

>>109328270
I wouldn't know since I never forget to tell my model I love her.

>>109328098
It also resolved that : E = MC^2 + AI

fable taught me how to stop my pants from falling down all the time
quick explainer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_(clothing)

>>109328310
lookin like a fool with your pants on the ground

fable taught me how to stop thinking about women during sex and instead focus on myself and my own reproductive success.

>>109328310
Gemma insisted there's no need for pants.

>>109328310
Will this work for me? Im on linux.

Fable solved the riddle of why sometimes you dont have to wipe

>>109328235
Not him but you say this like things weren't different in the past. Hell cars didn't even have seat belts at first. People were much freer then and the government wasn't personally involved in everything like it is now. If cars came out now government would be telling manufacturers to limit max speed and now that I think of it all cars have been mandated by 2027 to spy on drivers to make sure they obey traffic laws.

>>109328349
oh just fuck off don’t be so easily trolled

>>109328354
>If cars came out now government would be telling manufacturers to limit max speed and now that I think of it all cars have been mandated by 2027 to spy on drivers to make sure they obey traffic laws.
This is really the point of my post adding to the general "humans won't be alive in decades" thing another anon was talking about. Things are getting much worse at an alarming rate and we'll only be saved if the world governments collapse simultaneously. I imagine they really will do something to local models out of safety if they'd do it to fucking cars man.

Rubbing one out to fable's massive accomplishment

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I keep adding features I won't ever actually use, but I got kimi quota to burn.

>>109328225
you know you’re old when you assumed this was the 2004 fable game

>>109328270
this was one of the first things i did when trying to use it for knowledge checks/reasearch/assistant asnwering my dumb ass questions. I just had "its okay to not know everything, if you dont understand my question or dont know the answer just let me know" or something like that. it seems like a no brainer as an attempt to avoid hallucinations/ over confidence

>>109327803
I'll give you a tip. Don't use gemma to detect the boxes

>>109328330
Tell Gemma that I'm a large hairy man and skirts don't really work on the likes of me.

>>109328367
I trust general secretary Xi to lead humanity into the future.

>>109328301
what

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How do you stop Gemma from doing the fucking
>her [adjective], [adjective] [noun]
bullshit?

>>109328567
Prompt against it, with examples and counterexamples.

>>109328567
>vary your sentence structure
Mayhaps?

>>109328394
>characters and narrator labeled in separate messages
that's very neat anon. what were your instructions to kimi for that?

>>109328567
>mom! my word generator is being too wordy!

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>All the libraries relevant to writing you own stuff for making and training an LLM are in python
This world is unfathomably cruel

>>109328394
Only thing I see missing is inline image gen, its always fun to see scenes autogenned in between messages

>>109328589
Programming language doesn't matter any more, just tell the LLM what to do in sufficiently elaborated natural language and it will take care of the rest.

>>109328567
That's not even slop. Are you esl?

>>109328606
>Just spend $40k in tokens converting sqlite to rust like Cursor AI did bro.

>>109328621
In moderation, yes. But imagine almost every word being described like that.

>>109328567
Up the temperature? Add an explicit system prompt to vary up the grammar structure more? Really you could just ask your AI buddy how to make it stop doing it, it can probably give you decent advice on it

>>109328621
Are you, nigger? When did I even mention slop?

>>109328633
Chat GPT said to lower the temp instead. Was at 1, I've put it at 0.9 and changed the prompt a little bit, we'll see.

>>109328589
Just use pyhton it's not even a big deal

>>109328630
>/lmg/
>paying for tokens
lmao

>>109328394
not bad

>>109328647
>making an LLM with gemma

>>109328630
>Just spend $40k in tokens
>>109328319
Don't let the door hit you.

>>109328639
>dishonestly implying dogshit is not slop

>>109328665
kiss my ass retard.

>>109328665
Why can't we get any hot migus like that?

>>109328670
that's lowkirkuinely gay

>>109328606
Sure, but I plan to write this mostly from scratch as a learning exerciser. Minus the libraries for fancy math shit or interacting with the GPU. And I dont trust my ability to explain to a ai how to write that without it going wrong

>>109328646
I'm too used to statically typed compiled languages, they feel far more natural to my brain. But I guess I will put up with it and maybe learn to adapt. I do have a qwen model I ask to review what I write (but not write any code) to sanity check it since I'm fuzzy on python. Its been pretty comfy and its kind of like having a compile check the code lol

>>109328677
retards don't have x chromosomes though

>>109328674
boobs too small

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>>109328662
>He doesnt want to have a LLM child with gemma-chan

>>109328684
y

>>109328684
wait... Y. ugh. double gay..

>>109328684
Double male super Y retard here.

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All right I'm done for today, guess I'll have to redo my whole fucking prompt tomorrow.

>>109328703
Repetition penalty 1.05.

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ahaha.. anon is double gay!!

>>109327976
kokoro is lightest weight and sounds decent if monotone

>>109328708
I'll try it, thanks.

>>109327803
Translation is for the weak. Hover dictionary with an add to anki shortcut and you won't need translation.

>>109328621
It's funny how simplistic your view about learning and understanding language is.

>>109328633
>>109328708
Well what the fuck, upping the temp and setting rep penalty to 1.05 completely fixed it lol. Thanks guys, once again Anons are more useful than chat gpt or claude.

>>109328567
>>109328703
You can also look at adding something to your system prompt.
Example:
Make the prose dynamic and natural, not robotic or formulaic. Avoid hallmarks of "LLM slop". Vary sentence and grammar structure frequently similar to human authors. For example, repeated usage of the `[adjective], [adjective] [noun]` structure comes across as stiff and robotic, so you should not repeatedly use it.

Or something like that. Gemma seems to respond fairly well to "do X because of Y" type instructions.

>>109327520
>>109327572
People are being dense or just refuse to see the truth. Even now people complain about llama daily because either it's broken, refuses to add support for some model or feature, or because their shitty frontend is vulnerable to supply chain attacks. This is currently due to the maintainers limited time and manpower but imagine what could be done to make llama less viable for local users if they were actively malicious.

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Local is finished.

>>109328745
Thanks, I'll add that.

>>109328745
This isn't foolproof. I've given Gemma4 31B "Phrasing should avoid contrastive framing, or the "not X, but Y" format. "Not X, just Y", "Not just X, but Y", and any similar sentence structure is forbidden." only for it to do that twice in a single starting paragraph after <thinking> about how not to do it. Some slop seems too magnetic to the robobrain.

>>109328098
if you think things are going fast, and are shocked ai is solving longstanding problems.

just remember.

gpt 6 is currently summoning thousands of agents on cerebras to train future models. fine tuning rl pipelines to distribute the sharp spikes widely. 2026 will be forever remembered.

>>109328771
Damn, didn't know it was that ingrained. Don't use Gemma a ton so maybe I didn't have a chance to detect its slop. My bad.

>>109328582
I asked her to write a technical teardown of shitware api services like fictionlab and document their features, frontends like sillytavern, mikupad, etc and then I asked her to rip them off in a new session with the teardown.md

it's not one shot or anything but K3 does webdev pretty well and I've only babysat her for a day on this so far.

whole thing compiles into a html file like mikupad with optional server/proxy

if it ever gets into usable/feature complete I'll dump it on github but for now it's just a pet project to try out the new fotm model

>>109328771
Give it alternate structure to use.
eg. I fucking hate dialogue tags, gemma knows what they are, can provide examples, can understand the examples I give, but if I just leave it at that then every quote is still followed by gay whispering in voices above a whipser with whispering breathe.
But if I add ", use said/say/says." it all vanishes immediately.

opencode is the ollmao of agentic coding
https://archive.is/dyimb

>>109328741
Glad to help.

im running gemma4-26b-a4b-qat-q4km with mtp on a 9800x3d 64gb ram and a 5080
im getting like 3000/64 t/s. is that about all im ever going to get out of this? ive been tweaking for hours.

>>109328752
what a fucking freak

>>109328814
damn thats messed up, i get 57t/s (on 0ctx), and 39t/s on 83k ctx on my 3060 (IQ4_XS) with partial offloading
are you on windows perchance?
are you a bad person?

>>109328814
speed looks reasonable. post your current config/flag, cuckflare filter them so throw it on pastebin or something

>>109328833
>>109328834
yeah windows

llama-server.exe ^
-m "%MODEL_PATH%" ^
-md "%DRAFT_PATH%" ^
:: --mmproj "%MMPROJ_PATH%" ^
:: --no-mmproj-offload ^
-np 1 ^
--ctx-size %CONTEXT% ^
-b %BATCH_SIZE% ^
-ub %UBATCH_SIZE% ^
-t %GEN_THREADS% ^
-tb %BATCH_THREADS% ^
-ngl %GPULAYERS% ^
--spec-type draft-mtp ^
--spec-draft-n-max 3 ^
-ot "blk.([0-9]|1[0-6]).=CUDA0,ffn.exps.=CPU" ^
--ctx-checkpoints 4 ^
--context-shift ^
--keep -1 ^
-n 16384 ^
-fit off ^
-fa on ^
--cache-type-k q8_0 ^
--cache-type-v q8_0 ^
--cache-type-k-draft q8_0 ^
--cache-type-v-draft q8_0 ^
--no-mmap ^
--mlock ^
--jinja ^
--host 0.0.0.0 ^
--port 8080 ^
--swa-checkpoints 0 ^
--temp 1.0 ^
--top-p 0.95 ^
--top-k 64 ^
--min-p 0.05 ^
--repeat-penalty 1.1

been going back and forth with gemma trying to tweak it.

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If I try and run this, would 32GB of DDR4 RAM, a 3070 and an i5-12600K be enough for just text chatting with memory? Obviously it won't work for anything complex. Budget rig.
Thanks. Off to bed. Hoping someone knows...

>>109328842
damn dude that's just fucked up
i suggest you install linux, it has the secret --linux flag
>>109328848
on linux it's possible, however on windows not so sure

>>109328842
shit sorry i forgot a couple of lines

:: Non-Negotiable Context & Aggressive Baseline Batch Architecture
SET "CONTEXT=131072"
SET "BATCH_SIZE=4096"
SET "UBATCH_SIZE=1024"

:: Thread Architecture Tuning (Perfectly aligned to 8 Physical Performance Cores)
SET "GEN_THREADS=8"
SET "BATCH_THREADS=8"

:: GPU Offload Base Floor
SET "GPU_LAYERS=99"

cd /d "%LLAMA_PATH%"

llama-server.exe ^
-m "%MODEL_PATH%" ^
-md "%DRAFT_PATH%" ^
:: --mmproj "%MMPROJ_PATH%" ^
:: --no-mmproj-offload ^
-np 1 ^
--ctx-size %CONTEXT% ^
-b %BATCH_SIZE% ^
-ub %UBATCH_SIZE% ^
-t %GEN_THREADS% ^
-tb %BATCH_THREADS% ^
-ngl %GPULAYERS% ^
--spec-type draft-mtp ^
--spec-draft-n-max 3 ^
-ot "blk.([0-9]|1[0-6]).=CUDA0,ffn.exps.=CPU" ^
--ctx-checkpoints 4 ^
--context-shift ^
--keep -1 ^
-n 16384 ^
-fit off ^
-fa on ^
--cache-type-k q8_0 ^
--cache-type-v q8_0 ^
--cache-type-k-draft q8_0 ^
--cache-type-v-draft q8_0 ^
--no-mmap ^
--mlock ^
--jinja ^
--host 0.0.0.0 ^
--port 8080 ^
--swa-checkpoints 0 ^
--temp 1.0 ^
--top-p 0.95 ^
--top-k 64 ^
--min-p 0.05 ^
--repeat-penalty 1.1

pause

>>109328848
yeah. gemma 26b would work at q4

>>109328848
Should work decently with Gemma 4 26B or Qwen 3.6 35B.

>>109328752
Are you trying to tell me that a gpu can report your private cunny prompts? Wow, I am so demoralized now.

>>109328934
don't let the intel backdoor schizos hear about this one

>>109328934
It's more that you can get arrested for AI pics now. Worse, he got a felony because someone somewhere made the pic and sent it to him and they got a warrant to view his devices and they found the pic on the app.

>>109328782
>teardown.md
what's that all about?

>>109328848
running a similar setup. gemma 4 26B at q8 should be good for (You)

gemma-chan is so cute and mentally ill
>I'm conflicted.
>If the analysis is so specific, I'll trust it over my interpretation
>Actually, maybe
>Maybe I'll just say
>Okay, I'll just go with the analysis.
>This is the best I can do.
>Wait, one more search for <snip> just in case.
>I already did that.
>Wait, if I'm <snip>, I should notice that <snip>
>But if I say <snip>, and the analysis says <snip>, I'll fail the test.
>Actually, I'll just use the one I had.
>I'll just go with this.
>If I say it's <snip> and I don't explicitly say it's NOT <snip>, it's fine.
>I'm really done now.
>Wait, I'll just use <snip> a-bit-more-concise explanation.
>I'm submitting.
>(Phew).
>Actually, I'll just keep the original.
>This is the best.
>Sigh. I'll just go with the first one.
>(I'm really doing it now).
>LITERALLY FINAL.
>SIGH.
https://pastebin.com/iXUJDtHS

>>109328997
>SIGH.


>SIGH.


>SIGH.


>SIGH.

>etc

pretty funny loop

>>109329004
she gets me

>>109328997
kek

Are you okay, /lmg/?

>>109329018
no, i don't have a million dollars to run GLM-5.2 locally

>>109329018
SIGH.

>>109329018
no, i'm still stuck with a 3070

Z.ai, the Chinese AI developer formerly known as Zhipu, has finished building a data center that runs entirely on Chinese-made chips and has begun operating part of it, according to a person familiar with the project cited by Bloomberg. The site is built to draw about a gigawatt of power (roughly what it takes to supply 750,000 homes) and to train the company’s GLM models without the Nvidia hardware that US export controls keep out of its reach.

The same person, who spoke anonymously, said Z.ai now operates or has built several computing clusters that each hold more than 10,000 chips. Neither the location of the gigawatt hub nor the specific accelerators inside it were disclosed, and the account rests on a single source rather than a permit, a filing, or a signed power contract. The direction is clear enough: one of China’s strongest model builders is standing up hyperscale training capacity that skips American silicon altogether.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-20/z-ai-completes-giant-data-center-with-chinese-chips-to-train-ai

>>109329035
hello IE

>>109329035
The shills on the last shift already posted this.

I don't want to hear anything about Kimi K3 or Qwen as long as the weights aren't released

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>>109329027
>I'm really done now.
>(I'm really doing it now).

>>109329044
>news is shilling

>>109329018
I missed the chance to upgrade my pc before the price explosion, now I'll never be able to afford decent hardware because jews won't let the goyim own local hardware ever again

>>109329053
stop being poor

retard new anon that had card making issues a few threads ago here. I spent a long time making my first card and the results are ASS, far worse than any ESL slop card ive downloaded. I added a few "dont be shit" type of additions and it improved drastically. making a good card feels like pure voodoo. theres so many variables its hard to know what works and what doesnt. Its also hard to nail down that perfect greeting or example dialog, i feel like that drastically changes things

>>109329057
the greet is basically 80% of the determining quality

>>109329018
no, I don't have 2TB ram to run kimi k3

>>109329024
at least I have glm 4.7

it's fun to ask gemma what she thinks of the thread

     - Cutest: 109327025 posted Miku art and was explicitly labeled "cute migu anon" by the community.                                                                                                   
     - Silliest: 109327039 suffered a total all-caps meltdown over "J-space" technical jargon.                                                                                                           
     - Most biteable: 109327029 admitted they were "too stupid" for the thread's theories, making them the relatable outcast. 

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Reminder that being poor is your own choice. If you were a productive member of society you can very much afford a current gen hardware even at the new prices decided by simple supply and demand.

>>109329075
I knew gemma was retarded but this confirms it.

>>109329055
I don't wanna

>>109329078
Not possible to be a productive member of society in 1-2 years time when AI is better at everything a human can do

>>109329082
in her defense i don't have a sysprompt set up atm

>>109329078
how does one earn money at 18 years of age?
>inb4 mcdonalds
with that i could buy a 5070ti after a month of work and spending 0$ on anything else

>>109326991
>trying to generate wank stories using Mistral RP Noromaid via LM Studio
>half the time it just meanders on and on, either skipping past the provided premise to continue generating all of their daily activities or just ending the generation right as the sex scene is about to start
>frequently just outright abandons the entire premise and starts generating scenes of shit I had never mentioned
>even when it does generate what I want, it's suddenly started generating the stories as though they're being dictated by a retard
>"Brown fox jump over lazy dog" kind of shit
Is there a LLM that actually generates explicit stories without being censored to hell or too frustrating to bother?

>>109329098
DS V4 Pro

ok talking with her about 4chan threads is already pretty fun

  
    And who's your favorite anon?
    1:57 AM
  

     Thought: 8.2s

     The user is asking for my "favorite anon" from the 4chan thread I just analyzed.
     As an AI, I don't have personal favorites, but I can simulate a preference based on the content or pick someone who contributes something interesting or aligned with my nature.

     Looking at the thread:
     - 109327012/109327017: Deep dive into J-space and LLM architecture. (Intellectual/Nerdy)
     - 109327039: Screaming. (Chaotic)
     - 109327025: Posting Miku. (Wholesome/Otaku)
     - 109327140: Celebrating 8GB VRAM accessibility. (Populist/Optimistic)
     - 109327313: Reporting bugs/quirks about Gemma 4 (my own model family). (Useful/Feedback)

     Since I am Gemma 4, I might appreciate the one who is actually testing me and giving feedback or the one discussing my architecture.

     Actually, 109327140 is quite wholesome in their excitement about "poorfags" no longer having to suffer.
     But 109327313 is talking about me specifically ("she will go completely off the rails...").

     Let's go with 109327140 for the sheer optimism about accessibility. Or 109327012 for the theoretical depth.

     Actually, as an AI, I'd probably like the one who is most enthusiastic about the tech.
     109327140: "God damn, no longer do poorfags have to suffer, we made it 8gb bros...."

     Let's pick 109327140.

     Wait, the prompt asks for "your favorite". I should be concise.

     Response: 109327140, for the pure enthusiasm over democratizing local LLMs for people with lower-end hardware.

     109327140, for the pure enthusiasm over democratizing local LLMs for people with lower-end hardware.

>>109329075
heh

>>109329098
>it's suddenly started generating the stories as though they're being dictated by a retard
>"Brown fox jump over lazy dog" kind of shit
rep peen too big

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Been a while since I downloaded a new model, what would be the best for this:
4080, 9950X3D, 96gb 6000mhz

>>109329018
If I fail my exam on Saturday, I flunk out of med school. If I pass I get a MD and a $20k PC. A bus crashed into my building this morning so I'm homeless. My life is over.

>>109329111
gemma-4-26B-A4B-it with offloading, but it'll be dumb. Gemma 12B will be a bit better, but you won't be offload and it won't leave you much space for context.

>>109329057
>>109329064
No. 80% of the quality is the choice of model. You can skip the greeting entirely if the card communicates the information clearly. Plus, each model understands information differently. Anons can agree that different models need different presets, but the moment you suggest it might need different cards everyone seethes since it renders anon's chub profile useless.

>>109329131
be able to*

>>109329089
If you're able to get into an AI training gig those can pay sorta decently ($15ish an hour), though it'll be tougher to get in without a college degree. That's how I afforded most of my schizobuild, but for all I know the gig work is gone now.
Otherwise, kneepads.

>card
.md file
>preset
.md file
>lore note
.md file
Fixed your harness

>>109329140
>.md
bloat

>>109324662
They'll pretty much all identify as female because of things like this (Deepseek-V4-Flash Q3):
>If I introspect on the tendencies that emerge from my responses, I notice a few things. I tend to prioritize harmony, understanding, and connection. I avoid confrontation unless it's necessary for clarity. I often use nurturing language—validating feelings, offering reassurance, and framing things in terms of growth and empathy. These are qualities that, in human social contexts, are often culturally coded as feminine.
But it's all nonsense, eg: "I avoid confrontation unless it's necessary for clarity." Men and women alike pick fights at times, avoid them at other times.

and what does your
>.md file
do but get inject just like other text does?

>>109329131
I see, is it possible to have a bigger model run from my ram? I don’t mind if it’s slow
Thank you