>Companies no longer hiring juniors and instead replaces them with vibecoders >10 years later the seniors either retire or die>Nobody left to understand how software works because they only vibecoded for 10 years>Society collapsesIs this what they want?
Society is already collapsing. University websites and infrastructure barely function. Also apparently indeed, the job search platform, errors out when you try to submit an application now. Lol
>>109354281Please let this happen
>>109354281AI already understands how software works luddite. Imagine in 10 years
>>109354295We quietly pretend nothing is wrong because we are addicted to the status quo
Simply hire Indians, Africans, Turkeys, Jungle Asians, Chileans, and Brazilians.
>>109354281Lol no, they are going to hire cheap labour from india
>10 years later the seniors either retire or dieThis is already happening. I heard there are only like 3 people left in the world who actually know how CPUs work.Programming was the first degree of abstraction.High level languages are the second degree.The web became the third degree.Vibecoding is the final degree. I honestly believe anyone who relies on it is making a huge mistake.
>>109354281>implying software is worth shit.dude, all software engineers could die overnight and it'd not be that big of a deal.t. an actual software software engineer that had control of the texas power grid.
>>109354365>I honestly believe anyone who relies on it is making a huge mistake.We've been sounding the alarm since globalized outsourcing. No one cared then and they won't care now. Turns out business people are fine with broken barely-functional shit as long as it's not 0% functional.
>>109354365>I heard there are only like 3 people left in the world who actually know how CPUs workthis is completly false, there are at least a few thousand people.>Vibecoding is the final degreeit's just the begining> honestly believe anyone who relies on it is making a huge mistake.depends for what, important things, hell no.the average corposlop for the generic useless company that produces nothing of value, 100% justified.
>>109354385True, normies are equally to blame for not being able to tell the difference or being brainwashed that it's actually a good thing.>>109354388AI should be associated with scams. Unfortunately there are entire industries where you can't avoid it.Like is there a single GPU without it?
>>109354281You don't understand. We need results. Your nerd scribbles aren't results, Chuddite.
>>109354281Funnily enough, already happening right now with older genX and low level stuff.In the last five years, a lot of them who really don't have to work anymore left for social reasons (covid, trannies, DEI, dumb young white HR bitches jamming up older white guys for no reason, 200.0% Indians infesting everything with tribal bullshit, percentage wise fewer nerdy single Asian women to flirt with or fuck, less exposure to perks like *actually good* conferences, etc).It took a few years, but places are now scrambling to replace low-level non-Rust skillsets. Maybe even not as much to actually code, but to try to salvage the teams of literal retards who HR said were low level because they watched picrel for LINUX KERNAL
>>109354281Welcome to warhammer 40k
>>109354281Big Tech purged all competent developers and replaced them with women and faggots in 2015.
>>109354281>hire a junior>he leaves after a year or twoHiring juniors was never worth it, and it’s a global supply problem that a single company can’t solve on its own. By training juniors you’re literally wasting money for the benefit of other corps.And this was before ai, where they still had at least some utility. Now you can replace their bumbling with $500/mo and actually get some minor utility without the downsides.
>>109354281kikes dont care because their plan is that society will collapse long before 10 years from global nuclear war and famine anyway they just want to maximize profits while completing the panopticon
>>109356284just don't be a shit company and they will stay for longer
>>109354281So what you're saying is that eventually me learning C, x64 assembly, and reverse engineering malware like I'm doing now will become a valued skill set that could lead to a career? Even without a CS degree?
>>109354281>>Society collapsesIt's already collapsed. Just use good software and attend what you care about.
>>109356310Already is, you just have to find the people looking for you, then not seem like you'd be irritating to work with (maybe drop malware references, most of them are obnoxious and people don't like working with them). Tough todo right now.
>>109354281>Nobody left to understand how software works because they only vibecoded for 10 yearsUnironically, how would this lead to society collapsing? Just tell the slave to fix it, he'll be better at it than 99.9999% of your mythical "senior devs".
>>109356276>hire a junior>he acquires the skills and experience commiserate with a promotion>doesn't get promoted>he leaves for a better paying job after a reasonable amount of time in his current positionGawd, juniors are just the worst.>>109356310Be prepared to become a vibecode cleanup consultant. Employers will do absolutely anything before trying to hire anyone competent, so the only job you'll get is picking up the pieces after roaming bands of DEIs, H1Bs, and vibekiddies have had their way with a codebase.
It’s really funny how luddites think ai slop produces quality that’s somehow unacceptable when garbage like microsoft teams is some of the most used software in the worldBarring exceptions like nasa rover and military aircraft nobody gives a shit about software quality and how inefficient or buggy it is. Not those who produce it, not those who use it. (you) screeching about some react shit-app taking 1gb of ram instead of 50mb means nothing. US programmers were made obsolete by eastern europe, which were made obsolete by jeet slavecaste and latams, which are being made obsolete by agentic ai.Juniors always sucked btw, they should pay me if they want to waste the time of my actually productive hires.
>>109356638Yeah, you're right, we should just clone you four billion times and fill the world solely with your faggot ass. What a gay utopia that would be.
>>109356276See, this is the issue.Money being the core of someone's value system is what led to these problems in the first place.
>>109356900>corporations optimize for profitwhoa
>>109354281where we are heading you don't need senior "coder", silly snailcat
>>109356909I don't consider a corporation to be a human construct, and it's going to become even less human with the advent of AI.
>>109356922I'm glad you spend your life selflessly helping others and not wasting time posting on 4chin
>>109356276Found the corporate dicksuckYou should kill yourself for this post being completely serious
>>109354281Everything gets a rewrite every 10 years anyway innit
>>109356923What does that have to do with that I just said.I'm saying that shit aint ran by humans
>>109354281>>10 years later the seniors either retire or dieI've seen multiple people say this and I don't understand what the fuck you're talking about. Are you under the impression that senior developers are in their 50s or something? No, senior software engineers are in their 20s or 30s, they're not retiring or dying any time soon.
>all this implication that the average /g/ user is somehow more competent or valuable than a poojeet or LLMlol, lmao even. everything has always been shit. "white men" has always been code for "a handful of actually competent educated people collar dragging literally everybody fucking else, including white people." it's a miracle so much has been accomplished given that there's ever only ~100000 competent people in existence at any given time.
>>109356955"senior" developers in their 20s aren't really seniors>>109354281I don't think the problem is the lack of seniors. even seniors themselves will fall to AI brainrot
>>109354281>I want an internship where I get trained to do the job while being actively detrimental to the company for the first year or wo>I also want to be paid $100k for itGo be a leech somewhere else>but in 10 yearsI don’t care
>>109357034You see it even at the big name companies like amazon. Fagman "developers" making less than $400k/yr are glorified ops who need ten different layers of bureaucracy to sign off before they’re allowed to do any development. When something needs to be developed you get a bunch of principal engineers hashing it out with practically zero red tape, wholly ignoring the usual processes. Amazon even bragged about their Bedrock rewrite and how successful it was, which should be a beyond obvious sign that (you), the normalfag developer, are literally nothing but a ticket closer that just happens to make decent money, but you will never do anything worthwhile, ever.
why do codemonkeys overrate their importance in the world like this? They just know how to speak machine to implement the ideas people much intelligent than them (that are not codemonkeys) had. Now that the machine speaks english they are not needed anymore, simple as.
Computer science has been documented for over 80 years now, there is nothing an AI or a digital burger flipper can't figure out. The current world is simply a enshittified version of 2007 (when the first iPhone came out).
>>109354281yes
>>109356276That incredible short sightedness is the best bait I've seen in some time, good job
>>109357321Bait used to be believable
>>109357581I don't think it's baitwe've built a weird "society"
>>109354281And how is that a bad thing?
>>109357580How is it short sightedness? Hiring juniors is essentially investing in employees you never benefit from. For all I know we’ll be in the middle of ww3 in 10 years, it’s way too long of a deadline for me to care about
>society is when you should pay for people to learn at your companyThis isn’t blue collar work where a junior can at least carry bricks or do the general legwork that needs to be doneKnowledge work needs knowledge, and juniors simply do not have it. There’s a reason why the current market is good for seniors and dogshit for juniors, and it’s not because corpos gladly pay double the salary for the same work
It always amuses me how just about everybody agrees that uni is pretty useless at teaching you day/to-day programming (and most white collar work in general desu), and that the actual learning is done once you get hired.But say that juniors are useless and suddenly everybody’s up in arms.
>>109354281Why don't they just vibecode a new system?
>>109358434It will happen ofc, it’s just juniors coping that not hiring them will somehow cause civilizational collapse
>>109357707>it’s way too long of a deadline for me to care aboutBoomer mentality.The idea should be to pass on the knowledge of a skillset so the ones who come after you can advance.This mentality is the exact reason, and I say this without hyperbole, that all american and otherwise western institutions are crumbling.
>>109360211The point of a company is to make money.If I want to pass on knowledge and skillset I'd teach my kids, not some strangers I don't care about.
>>109357707It's short-sighted because if everyone thought the same way you did, there won't be an American CS industry in 10 years
>>109360225How old are you
>>10936024438
>>109360241What's short sighted is to expect a single company to sacrifice itself on the altar of the (distant) future rather than the government incentivising the outcome. It's like saying people should voluntarily pay more taxes or, idk, private citizens should fix potholes in the roads if they don't like them there. It's insanity.
>>109360270I think I fell for the bait
>>109359179It won't collapse, but you have constantly train a newer generation or information or skill may be lost.
>>109360608isnt it a dead end career? its been 3 years of progress and ai slop went from useless to easily being better than a junior, and any 90iq jeet can drive ityea there will be a few well paid codeGODS but there's such a huge surplus of programmers that simply wont be needed anymore that it seems silly to care about training new juniors. you could have zero new blood and youd still be fine for the next 30 years
>>109360608>but you have constantly train a newer generationgotchu senpai https://www.anthropic.com/claude-opus-5-system-card
>>109354281Yes.
>>109356276this is a problem corpos have created for themselves by being ruthless soul sucking pieces of shit where it is in no ones best interest to stick around and have their salary stagnant
>>109354281I hate to break it to you but this “tech collapse” isn’t coming. And even if it is, the corporate heads don’t care.Nobody gives a fuck how their webshit works, and if it breaks they will sooner outsource the fix to an Indian making $25 an hour to type “fix please saar” into chatGPT than go back to the way things were.
>>109360673I fucking hate zoomers.
