high-T Duracell chads keep winning

the absolute NIGGER of the bios battery solution. S

>>109357878
huh no way... I'm actually sad about it.

>>109357878
RIP. At least I still have a stash of Varta AAs sitting around. A real shame, I take pride in buying made in Germany products.

They did a great job de-industrializing Germoney it seems.

>another 150 years old German company dies
four more years and the sanctions are totally going to collapse Russia for real this time

>>109357878
I have only ever heard of varta fuckups over the years

>>109358025
Nothing to do with that. It has been dying a slow death for two decades now.

>>109358067
the company survived two world wars and also survived the past two decades, until now

>>109358025
High labor costs, high material costs, high energy costs. There was never any way of competing with heavily subsidized chinese batteries on their own.

>>109358106
VARTA is heavily subsidized and operates on a protected market where there are tolls on the competition
>high energy prices
yeah, i wonder where that comes from!

We are talking about a company that survived the Great Depression, two Wars, Occupation, that is older than the German Republic itself and that survived every single economic collaps in between.
NOW its dead.

>>109358106
>heavily subsidized
You know what, they always say it's because of that but I kinda don't believe it anymore.

>>109358122
>yeah, i wonder where that comes from!
Would russian gas have helped a bit? Yes but not to the point that Varta isn't going under. Also I don't want to get into a long political discussion on /g/.

the only varta products ive seen in the wild were alkaline batteries
i don't think making low margin products on an extremely competitive market lets you survive german taxes

>>109358152
think what killed them in the end was loss of contract for apple?
also my sony bt headphones had varta batteries so they did make stuff.

>>109358144
>Yes but not to the point that Varta isn't going under.
the only thing thats different now is the fact that Germany has the highest energy costs world wide thanks to sanctions.

All other reasons you can think about, already existed before.
It didn't die in the 2000s when the solar crash happened in Germany, it died now.
German labor costs were always expensive, thats not a nee thing.
Cheap asian competition already existed 15 years ago.

>>109358172
VARTA is 95 years older than Apple

/o/ tourist here, I replaced my stock oem battery with varta battery, I guess I will be gettting a Bosch battery next time.

Sad, at least I still have a bunch of NiMH batteries

>>109358186
Energy prices (for industry) are about the level before the invasion. They did massively spike but they've stabilized. Labor cost were always expensive but they've gotten a lot more expensive over the past years to pay for pensioners and migrants. If you aren't German you don't know how much the state is robbing the employed. Also Asian competition wasn't at the level it is currently 15 years ago.

>>109358192
Think they carved out dept that did batteries for cars. Probably just some scheme by management to shed the workforce and unwanted parts w/o having to pay severance packages.

>>109358221
>Energy prices (for industry) are about the level before the invasion.
Didn't check but that's impossible.
If prices are the same they are probably subsidized.

>>109358221
>Energy prices (for industry) are about the level before the invasion
no, they arent, lol
But you can keep living in your delusional fantasy world where it totally doesnt have any consequences when you have the most expensive energy costs on the whole world

When my car battery died, the VARTA option was 50% (!!!!) more expensive than everyone else.

>>109358246
Gotta pay those holocaust taxes on top of ww2 reparation taxes

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>>109358230
>If prices are the same they are probably subsidized.
Of course. See the graph. The grey part is taxes, grid charge, etc, the government has had to massively cut back on what they take. Pre invasion they could have subsidized even harder but then again our government hates passing up on taxing things.

https://www.smard.de/page/home/topic-article/444/215830/entwicklung-der-industriestrompreise

>>109357980
Why are they doing it?

>>109358291
Dey beez ebil nazees n sheeit

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>>109358230
So here it is.
Yeah it's like half the price of what it was since invasion happened so all good?
Nope, it's like triple the world average and quadruple of burgerland prices.
The cost is just insane, like just getting gas by pipeline vs compressing it, loading into expensive refrigerated ships and then crossing the ocean. We're so fucking fucked.
Tho this is just LNG not the energy in general.

>>109358274
you do realize the the orange part is double as high than before 2022?

>>109358301
Yes. But what about the total price?

>>109358310
jesus my man. where do you think missing money is coming from?

>>109358246
What's even worse is that there is no price dumping of the competition.

Now i pay for a car battery the same price (10 or 20% higher or so) than i did 20 years ago.
The ONE outlier is VARTA which is 50%+ towards the rest.

>>109358317 (Me)
just to rant even more:

All those corrupt German colluding fucks subsidize each other in backroom deals.
You got a German car? There is a VARTA battery inside and when its dead, and you drive to a dealership, they only offer you batteries for double the price of the same thing, but a different brand AND they tell you that you shouldnt buy anything else, because the car needs to "learn" the battery and they will have to do some coding, that costs about as much as the difference in price of the batteries.

Those fucking shitskins in those German companies all lie and scam.
So you drive to some tractor workshop and buy a battery with the same current and capacity there, for a little fraction of the price, and be done with it.

>>109358122
Maybe if they actually researched new battery technologies instead of selling AA.
Seems to be like they fucked up by not adapting to changing market enviroments.
Why the fuck is the best rechargeable AA from Panasonic and not them?
Why the fuck aren't they pushing Sodium household batteries for incoming Solar Power?

>>109358394
>you drive to a dealership, they only offer you batteries for double the price of the same thing
A totally unique experience to Germany

>>109358172
I think it was the shit quality of their products instead. Everyone avoids Varta if possible. Their batteries are on the lower end of medium quality. I had to use a lot of their products because of my workplace and not a single product of theirs survived for more than 6 months.

>>109358491
that they only sell you stuff of their corrupt German partner company and lie to you to try to scam you into taking it, is definitelly something i only witnessed with the trashy Germans.

Having to bother with German cars, i would punch you in the face if you would talk to me about """German engineering" in RL.
I hate those fucking German low quality products so much, its unreal. You only get lies and scams from those "people".

>>109358529
I'm getting the feeling that you own a BMW that's leaking oil and you are big mad about it.

Trust me. Dealerships taking the most they can from customers is a worldwide phenomenon.

>>109358529
Germans did a good job in the 1970s-1990s after that it's been very much downhill and you fell for the meme. Buy a Toyota and be happy you never need to maintain it at all.

>>109358598
BMW owners don't change batteries. Most BMWs end up wrapped around a tree way before they need a battery replacement.

>>109357878
my car battery is from Varta, maybe I can sell it for a lot of money now for collectors?

>>109358598
what German car brand doesn't try to scam you with VARTA backroom deals?
VW, BMW and Mercedes do.
Or did i miss someone?

>>109357878
Deserved for ruining so many motherboards.

>>109358598
<buy German brand x, it's bad
>everybody knows that x is bad, you have to buy brand y
<buy German brand y, it's bad
>everybody knows that y is bad, you have to buy brand z
<buy German brand z, it's bad
>everybody knows that z is bad, you have to buy brand x

>>109358643
Batteries are not a collectable.

>>109358246
Weird, it was one of the cheaper options for a 52Ah upgrade over the 44Ah stock unit for mine.

>>109359704
but there's a fat Varta sticker

kinda sucks since a lot of tech products use them so that means getting a new battery for your old headphones or something is gonna be slightly harder now.

Interesting since most high end TWS buds still use Varta batteries. I guess they'll all switch to inferior Chinese versions that explode in a year.

>>109358616
Toyotas of recent years have had countless recalls due to their shitty turbos. The only reason Toyota was reliable in the past was because they were extremely conservative with newer tech.

>ziggers coping that their sanctioned gas is the reason why germany has the highest electricity prices
>despite other yuro countries not having energy prices as high as germany
idgi

>>109358098
>the company survived two world wars and also survived the past two decades, until now

The problem is that China has invested heavily in manufacturing, STEM, and R&D across all sectors, and has surpassed Germany in many areas. Countries eventually drop out of the industrial race. Britain, the US, and the USSR - all of these countries once had significant manufacturing industries, but then they disappeared.

Competing with China in manufacturing is extremely difficult now, with the exception of civil aviation, but it's not a given that Boeing and Airbus will still be kings of aviation in 20 years.

Germany has no choice but to deindustrialize, concentrate all its activities and financial flows in two or three cities, and leave the rest of the country to oblivion, as happened in Britain, Russia, and many US cities.

F

>>109357878
more like Farta

>>109358246

polandball car starter battery be winning this time

>>109360250
>USSR
Russia kept their manufacturing capabilities, while all the other ex-Sovjet-Commie countries killed their industry and dismantled their factories.
Eastern Europe was heavily industrialized, nowadays their only export is an endless flood of refugees and whores.
Poland used to actually produce stuff, while they were part of the Warsaw Pact. Nowadays the best thing they do is to assemble low-quality washing machines that break after five seconds of usage.

>>109358106
Is the ccp in the thread with us, anon?

>>109360186
>despite other yuro countries not having energy prices as high as germany
The only countries with lower energy prices with the EU are the ones who kept some deals with Russia, like Hungary.
Even France with its endless nuclear power has expensive as fuck energy, because thanks to the EU, the electricity market is shared :^)

How could anybody compete against China and their partially dark factories?

How could Germany, especially?

I'm German and I can honestly say my country is the all time greatest of spending money on futile war shit again and again and again the few times the politicians here agree that it is OK for Germanfucktardistan to go into debt like every other nation.

So much of this debt binge supposed to happen over the coming years will be wasted on war shit and the Bürger will benefit fuck all from it.

>>109359729
>44Ah
I thought you were bullshitting and had to look it up to confirm that such small batteries even exist for cars. I never saw anything less than 60Ah in the past decade.

Must be a Suzuki Swift or something like that, rather than a German trash car.
In which case i congratulate you for not falling for German low quality garbage.

>>109361408
>Russia kept their manufacturing capabilities

Russia has managed to preserve only a small fraction of its industry.

1) Passenger aviation is completely dead.
2) The automotive industry is virtually extinct. They tried to revive AvtoVAZ with French management and Renault, and for a moment it actually worked, but then everything collapsed after 2022.
3) All light industry - textiles, footwear - is completely gone.
4)Electronics manufacturing only exists within the defense sector now.

What’s left is petrochemicals, metallurgy, pipe manufacturing, fertilizers, and a bit of agricultural machinery.

For a country of 144 million people, that’s not a lot.

>>109357980
Germans are asking for it.

>>109361526
The USSR was never good with semiconductors or electrical components. The never had that stuff in the first place. In the 70s and 80s this was Japan dominated (thanks to the USA, this japanese foothold got fucked).

Russia is still able to produce planes.
Do they have a foothold in civilian aviation? Not at all. But they have the know-how to produce them and engineers to develop them. They also always kept their ability to go to space, even through the massive crash in the 90s.
And that's the important difference.
Various Eastern European countries could build planes in the past. But all of them lost the capability. They dont have that knowledge anymore. It's lost technology for them.

>>109361455
>How could anybody compete against China and their partially dark factories?
>How could Germany, especially?

I think Europe, and Germany in particular, simply cannot compete with China in manufacturing. Honestly, no one in the world can.

Germany's only real option is to follow the UK's path: shift the focus to finance and IT, and concentrate all the wealth and resources in three main cities - Munich, Berlin, and Frankfurt. The rest of the German states and regions should just be abandoned and turned into Detroits, much like the US and the UK did late last century. Back then, they realized that competing with Asia in industry was a lost cause, so they pivoted toward a service, finance, and tech economy. That's pretty much the only move left for first-world countries.

However, I doubt Germany can pull off this transition. In the UK, this happened largely due to Margaret Thatcher's ruthless policies - she literally gutted the industrial regions and left them to rot in poverty. You Germans are unlikely to do anything like that because of your overwhelming bureaucracy. Instead, it’s going to be a long, painful decline that will drag down all of Eastern Europe with it, given how heavily our economies depend on Germany.

>>109361579
>and IT
Not a fucking chance. A fucking Linux box running Ubuntu is still NEULAND here.

>>109361579
>just become a service economy bros
And that's the reason why the USA, that once was an industrial behemoth and war machinery on never seen before, and never reached again, scale, is losing in Iran.

Look at the US aviation losses in Vietnam.
It makes you think "holy shit, the USA lost 5000 planes!".
But then you think further and you realize that they were still able to keep the war going for 20 years.
They had the industrial capability to keep up with those immense losses of machinery.

Nowadays they throw away 20% of their total Tommahawk stock in a single week on Iran, Iran still stands, and then they have to pause (pretend its a ceasefire) while they ship in stock from somewhere else, because they have to plunder all those various countries they are active in to support that one war where they aren't even boots on the ground.

And thats the reason why they will never go boots on the ground, because the US doesnt have the industrial capacity to produce for such a war.

>>109361546
Can confirm.

>>109361576
>Do they have a foothold in civilian aviation? Not at all. But they have the know-how to produce them and engineers to develop them

To be honest, I doubt Russia has much competence left in complex engineering. Sure, they can produce 1-2 passenger jets a year without Western parts, but those planes (Tu-204/214) were designed in the late Soviet era. That is all they can manage now. They cannot even replicate the An-2 "Kukuruznik", a basic 1940s biplane used for crop dusting.

Core technical skills were lost in the 90s and 2000s. I studied at a top Russian engineering university: our 60-70yo professors spent lectures telling old jokes instead of teaching, and student quality was low. Over the last 15-20 years, all talented people went into CS instead of engineering. Places like Tupolev are mostly filled with elderly staff working out their final years.

I doubt Russia will ever catch up to present-day France in aircraft manufacturing. Without profitability, it is just a subsidized sector draining the budget, much like their space program today. While SpaceX makes money, Russian launch numbers have dropped. A relative of mine works in Russian space and things are grim. The only active project is a Starlink equivalent with a few dozen satellites in orbit; everything else lacks cash. Engineers in Moscow make ~1000-1300 EUR/month, a ridiculous small salary for living there.

>>109361579
You're probably correct.
I'd add two, three more cities to that list:
>Hamburg
Because of the port and water access.
>Stuttgart
Legacy auto industry will drag on there for quite a while.
>Nürnberg/Erlangen/Fürth
Still a mixture of legacy and other stuff around: Siemens, Schaeffler, Adidas/Puma/Reebok WHQs, Playmobil.
(AEG/Electrolux, Grundig, Metz, Quelle?? GONE!)

>>109361700
We had alumni projects with Russians and those mogged us in engineering.
Russia builds rockets, ship building, planes and has a nuclear industry (probably the only one that is truly independent).
Whatever field of engineering you are into, Russia has it.

Keeping knowledge is important. You can then always rev it up.
Creating something from scratch is the hard one.
In the Warsaw Pakt countries there were companies making big bucks on dismantling industrial plants and selling the scrap metal.
Lithuania had a nuclear missile early warning radar and they sold it for the scrap metal.

>>109361739
Who's "we"?

>>109361754
Deutschland

>>109361763
Kein Wunder

>>109358122
They can survive all that but two years of green+red killed it

Bravo

>>109357878
I dont get why they didnt do a joint venture with a chinese corp to get the sodium ion batteries to Europe wouldnt be easy but it would have helped.

>>109361763
Kek. I studied at BMSTU in Moscow and and a few of my acquaintances left for Germany to do their master's at TUM. It was around ~2015. They all kept saying TUM is orders of magnitude better than BMSTU.

But maybe you had a different experience. Russia (or rather the USSR) did accumulate a lot of tech know-how, but it feels like France today can do literally everything Russia does, plus they actually have competencies in things like high-speed rail (we don't have our own and had to buy Siemens ICEs for our railroads).
I don't really see much reason for Russia to flex here. Sure, we can pump out more different stuff than, say, Poland, Czechia, or maybe Spain, but they were never competitors for Russian industry anyway.

Eastern Bloc countries: Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania - were focused on light industry, while the USSR itself focused on heavy machinery, metallurgy, and the defense. Eastern Europe complemented our economy, but it all went down the drain in the late 1980s.

And even then, how much production is actually possible in Russia today is a huge question. We completely lost machine tool building. Literally gone. The entire industry is dead. Factories in Russia run on either European machines bought before the sanctions, or stuff smuggled in through third countries. Or, more and more often, Chinese machinery. Russia doesn't build its own machine tools, and without modern tools, high-tech manufacturing ends up looking like something straight out of the Stalin and Hitler era, kek.

By the way, some Russian factories were using captured WWII German machine tools from the 1940s all the way up until the mid-2010s, which the soviet army looted from occupied Germany. The fact that those machines were used for so many years is honestly hilarious (since we had no the money to replace them with new ones) but at the same time kinda impressive, considering they lasted over 50 years across different countries.

>>109361895
>tool building
idk from which sector you come from, but when it's about industrial automation, we used to rule that (thats from where i come from), until Stuxnet did a thing on us.

Industry in the whole world run on Siemens PLCs. Then Siemens did a joint venture with the US government and Stuxnet happened and nowadays every other country produces their own PLCs.
The dark factories in China don't run on fucking Siemens. They dont want to get their shit blown up.
And it's going downhill ever since. Siemens had to close and outsource so much in the past two decades, it's unreal.

>>109362026 (Me)
btw. that shows you how fast you can lose a business. Or create it.
You are a monopoly. You think you are untouchable. You abuse the monopoly. Another country is forced to act and ten years later your business is dead.

Especially when it's about tooling and big machinery that you need to build factories... those things arent really profitable to do for one country alone.
Lets say you develop a water turbine. Then you build ten hydraulic plants in your country. But you dont need more than ten. So what now?

You may THINK you have a monopoly, because it's hard to enter your (very expensive engineering heavy) nieche... but in reality you were just chugging alone and doing great because there was simply no incentive for someone to compete with you.

And if the Chinese can do such things in such a short time. Why would you think that you yourself can't do that?
Are Chinks just this racially superior to the rest of the world?
I dont think so. I think that as long as one keeps his own engineering capabilities in a field, he can recover very fast.

>>109361895
>Eastern Bloc countries: Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania - were focused on light industry
Kek, are you one of those Russian liberals everyone makes fun of or a western concern troll? It's always hilarious to read that type of claims about Poland. The whole Silesia was focused almost entirely on mining and metallurgy. Central Poland was primarily about agriculture and it was supported by other domestic examples of the heavy industry like Ursus. We also did a lot of work around railways and manufactured our own cars. Warsaw Pact countries were a lot more versatile than you give them credit for.

>>109358291
America consolidates her power. Europe isn't no longer needed, the new focus is China, i.e. a switch from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Also removing industrial resources competitors.

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>>109357878
Rest in piss

Has anything of value been lost? I only know them for their AA and AAA batteries
>>109358473
>>109358505
According to https://www.reddit.com/r/batteries/s/vRRY6FHajx their AAA rechargeables are better than eneloops.
Eneloops are suspiciously badly rated in this test though...
Also, are there 18650 batteries that are memed the same way Eneloops are ? Need to get some

>>109358106
>china uses all kinds of financial fuckery to dominate trade
>politely inform that they are breaking the rules of free trade and they should stop at their earliest convenience
>russia invades ukraine
>send an angry letter informing them that their war is illegal and also you're going to stop buying some of their stuff
Europe is so pathetic, goddamn. No wonder why the rest of the world walks all over them.

>>109358025
>>109358106
varta was killed because of stupid management relying on a single supplier and aggressive expansion since going public. Its the usual story of trying to appease shareholders and getting fucked in the long term. Should have stayed private.
They still have good battery tech but the vulture are already picking them apart. Smart thing would be if the government stepped in and bought the battery plant and used it for drone supplies instead they will just buy from china. Retards like always.

>>109365427
>instead they will just buy from china
China just sanctioned 14 EU companies less than 24h after the EU sanctioning 14 chinese companies because MUH UKRANDA which isn't even in the EU, lol

>>109361546
they are voting for it

>>109358067
copie kek
>>109357878
kek, another "tech" company gone to own the russian chuds!

>>109357980
it was actually revealed in the epstein files essentially german companies are undervalued right now compared to their actual economic output/potential but the issue are high taxes and social benefits and unions so essentially it's a money making scheme where they first crash the german economy, make social benefits no longer payable, turn germany into a brutal cutthroat capitalistic society and then get rich from the newly unleashed german economic power, we're still in the crashing/undermining german economy part rn

>>109357878
good fucking riddance lmao rest in piss

>>109365738
>newly unleashed german economic power
nice 60 year plan you got there, I'm sure everything will turn out as expected

>>109357878
they want to keep the regualar batteries like AA. they are closing down the industrial cell sector.

>>109359983
>because they were extremely conservative with newer tech.
they still are desu

it will never not make me mad that the west handed over all industry on a silver plate to china for short term profits.
for christs sake they dismantled plants here and then made a 1:1 copy over there and taught them everything they need to know. now that all the experts are gone/dead they cry "oh we cant keep up with manufacturing in china" well no shit you gave it away on your own free will you retards. and we still keep doing it in all tons of sectors. how could you not see this coming?

So what now should I go buy whatever Varta batteries are left in stock? They don't seem that good compared to the other ones being sold. Who will the money even go to if they're going under

>>109366104
Working exactly as our (overlords) intended btw

>>109357980
>Sleep on car, infrastructure and home batteries
>Go bankrupt
>Grrr Kinderbuchautor

Why are Ge*mans like this?

>>109357878
RIP

>>109357878
Goes hard with that Hitachi logo.

>>109365738
Yeah great plan.
Let's see how many of those German companies will be left once that super smart masterplan ran its course half way.