How does it compare to CRT's?
>no tubeinto the trash
that monitor and that game doesnt exist its just ai generated slopshould be sued for false advertising by putting the official company brand on there and not disclaiming that its generated content
>>109358657what? you mean the BcvlolocVB CivvbdOc branded monitor isn't real?
>>109358289Wouldn't you say (250fps) 1000hz effective motion clarity is comparable to CRT motion clarity?
I am fine with 50 Hz. I don't need more.
>>109359629same, but only on a crt. 50hz on an lcd is abysmal
>>109358249>How does it compare to CRT's?If noone here is going to answer my question I should probably try asking /vr/ instead
>>109360995i mean, what is the cross-over of people who have used a crt monitor and people who know wtf novideo pulsar is?
>>109361104if they exist they probably lurk on this boardmaybe not
This completely replaces CRTs. Frame capped VRR latency is better than CRT vsync latency.
I'm hoping this hits TVs at some point like gsync did. This tech on a big oled would be perfect.
Reminder that we have CRT motion clarity at low hz (72-140) for LCDs and OLEDs right now but its locked behind VR headsets
>>109359588what use is clear motion with no magic glass tube
>>109358249>360hz>over 1000hz motion claritywhat
>>109358249>motion clarity>game adds motion blur to make it look more "cinematic".
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>>109365648presumably it means motion blur equivalent to a 1000Hz LCD
>>109362918you can make more money by improving things slowly, let them buy each little improvement rather than fixing it in one shot
>>109358249sort of hilarious that after 20 years of flattech, they mimic the rolling scan of crt to get a similar(inferior) result. either way, i'm happy that they finally are getting closer. sad we won't see this tech in tv's or projectors for at least another decade, if ever.
>>109365774but how does that compare to CRT's?how many Hz would an LCD need to match CRT motion clarity? 5000Hz? 10000Hz?
>>109358249>bizarre AI slop adsIt really is over.
>>109366239if it's perfectly pulsed it would be a 1:1 thing or even less since you don't have phosphor persistence on lcds g-sync pulsar is supposed to get pretty close but I don't trust the humiliation ritual known as modern monitors
>>109366239it's hard to say exactly, a crt draws pictures using a single dot, so you could argue that you'd need an lcd to draw one dot at a time, which at 1080p would need 2,073,600Hz. however, the phosphors in a crt don't stop glowing instantly, there's some persistence, so it'd be lower than than in practice
>>109366239LCDs can match CRT motion clarity at the same image refresh rate.The rate of the actual images being shoved into the LCD and shat out by it are irrelevant. The problem is that your brain has trouble interpreting a whole image, so you'll need to display it as an optical illusion in chunks that your brain then stitches together into a full image.This can be achieved in many ways whether that's by using a mechanical rolling shutter, a super fast backlight that can partially turn off rapidly, a secondary LCD in front of the actual display blocking out parts, or just giving up and bruteforcing it with a super fast high refresh rate LCD that does it all in software.
>>1093662395000Hz LCD or OLED, with perfect pixel transitions (no ghosting) would be equivalent to a CRT. Monitor manufacturers are unfortunately pursuing higher and higher refresh rates, which is the wrong approach to improving motion clarity. Development should instead go towards hardware backlight strobing technology. For fucks sake, surely some engineers can scale down the driving circuitry of CRTs to work with OLEDs, CRTs are basically just giant LC circuits anyway. Well, GSync Pulsar seems vendor locked to Nvidia graphics hardware, so it'll be a few more years until there is cross platform variant.
>>109359047Of course it's real, I've got one after returning my snsv monitor cause everything was upside down.The only issue is the blurry side on the left of the display.
>>109366413So you would need a 1250Hz display with the modern strobing technology to get CRT-equivalent motion clarity.
>>109361170anyone who has posted the autism UFO knows. I loved CRTs and have been chasing that motion quality for some time. Right now using 4K 160Hz with BFI on IPS as a stopgap until regular OLEDs get strobing and high 100% ABLs like they do in VR headsets. Seems not too far off thankfully.
>>109365784it is really quite funny how the goycattle obsess every small improvement.That monitor still needs 360hz to get close to CRT motion, which is utterly unacceptableMeanwhile my 200 euro VR headset has CRT motion clarity at 72hzI am not sure what is stopping a manufacturer from just implementing strobing like on VR headsets into a desktop monitor, flicker seems like the only issueActually in reality flatscreens in VR headsets have surpassed CRT in motion because they dont have phosphor afterglowI really want to see the strobing tech in a desktop monitor, but we will never ever get it>>109366239Around 70hz with good strobing
>>109359588you still have to run the game at 250fps to gain the benefits
>>109366928Monitor strobing is dogshit might aswell disable it on most monitors.VR headsets have CRT tier strobing, I wish Meta would publish exact specifications on how they achieve it
>>109367908strobing backlights should have been standard the moment we moved to led backlights, but they'll milk it as an expensive model upsell feature as long as they can
>>109367955LCD was turned into the cheapest ever goycattle displayThey just experimented how much they can cheap out without bthe goycattle noticing over the yearsEarly LCDs are still pretty sturdy and build well, new LCDs are practically ewaste
I think this image I took of my 200GS came out really nicecomfy Speaking of CRT, story time:>Be me today>on the way home from gym, notice black shadow in a bush, just know its a CRT>Its a relatively nice looking SDTV pots for focus and G2 are accessible without opening it and it has front RCA and S video, so I look up the model code and service manual>It requires a service remote to get into the service menuIn the trash it stays.What bullshit, I was ready to pay for the remote but i am never finding a service remote anyways
the first lcd's were already better for not having annoying high pitched whine and blurry image.
>>109365784nobody buys monitors like thatmost people are still on 1080p
>>109370328Newest GPU but 2011 Full HD panelI will never understand people like thatA good OLED is comparitively cheap and a massive improvement since its what you are looking at all the time
>>109366393Then why do cameras also show a difference if it's just all in our minds?
>>109361195CRTs don't need vsync
>>1093664131kHz refresh rate is desirable for responsiveness but not motion clarity. People don't seem to understand this.
>>109358249I'm sticking with OLED. And that technology isn't compatible with OLED so I don't care.
>>109365784The thing is gaming display controllers are a very opinionated and cost sensitive market. It's a big risk to tape out a new IC with higher cost and features people turn out to not care about. Like adaptive sync took years of Western PC game devs bitching before nVidia finally take a risk on delivering an implementation that didn't even work at a really high price, but that was finally enough to light a fire under VESA and get proper adaptive sync standardized. Similarly the benefits of beam chasing have been known for over a decade.
>>109358249I've never seen one of them in person, but I would assume CRTs are still better. As I understand these should still provide a massive improvement since they light the screen in a band that travels across the display, so it's somewhat similar to how a CRT works. Of course a CRT only lights a single point at a time, so it's likely still going to be better. Motion clarity on CRTs is basically flawless, though there can still be some trails behind bright objects due to phosphor decay time (but the moving object itself looks perfectly sharp).
>look up gsync pulsar monitors>the only ones available are 1440p, not even 4IK
>>109371726there's supposed to be 4k versions coming, I have no idea when but it's been like a year since one was announced
>>109371726I don't think they support HDR yet either, I guess with the backlight being pulsed it's very hard to reach the required brightness levels.
>>109370162Computer monitors never had any whine, not unless you're from the truly ancient days and computer "monitors" were basically repurposed TVs or security camera screens.
>>109367939Index has it as well, it's not some Faceberger exclusive. Maybe it's easier with smaller screens or something.
looks impressive. curious if your eyes start hurting after a few hours though.
>fake refresh
>>109371088>having tearingyou retard
>>109358249from what i've read. haven't seen it in action personally tho. anyone?
I'm waiting for the tech to be matureI want the full range for perfect emulation and good selection of monitors at reasonable price.
>>109358249I always disable that shit first thing I get a monitor/TV.
>>109374423>I always disable that shit first thingNot enabled by default.
What is this person holding
>>109367939VR generally doesn't use variable frequency. When game engine drops frames it uses extrapolation (asynchronous time/spacewarp).Variable frequency made backlight strobing harder.
Chasing low motion blur is largely a waste of time as more and more games switch to unreal and become blurry messes due to TAA and lumen. What are you going to see clearer with pulsar? A blurry ugly ass image?
>>109374572Super hard to tell from your thumbnail.
>>109374638>What are you going to see clearer with pulsar?I want to play retro video games with CRT motion clarity, but I don't want to buy a CRT because the high-end CRT's are so expensive and can stop working at any moment. Also I don't like how big and heavy the CRT's are. I can't mount them to a monitor arm like modern displays.
>>109358249maybe when the price comes downnobody is buying $600 1440p IPS when 4K OLED that looks way better costs that much and 1440p OLED is like $300 now
>>109374577CRTs also dont use variable frequency.It would be a good start
>doesn't work with OLEDDOA tech
>>109358249Why does the logo on the monitor look like gobblegobble?
>>109377526I should have found a real picture instead of an AI-generated one but I was lazy. My bad. Either way I still think this is an interesting topic.
lemme guess its 400 hz, 1080p with an OLED display that shows screen burn in at an average rate of 6 months
>>109372130hmm maybe you're right and im just thinking TVs. those did whine, every single one. i however vividly remember getting my first LCD and trying to use the old CRT as 2nd monitor but the image was so blurry in comparison i could no longer stand it.
>>109358249CRTs are overrated and I don't know why.
>>109377820no the current Pulsar monitors are 360Hz 1440p 27" IPS
>>109380743nostalgia for an age they went even alive for (It was terrible) because they consume old media
>>109367917For frame blur yes, for pixel persistence no.A proper 240+ hz screen set at 240hz display mode with actual 4ms transitions is still providing 4ms response no matter what the render fps is output to the screen.
Its nice the pulsar tech exist but I have litte desire to use an expensive monitor with ips level contrast so I would never, ever buy one. Im mostly hoping OLED monitors get good enough that they can be drive to have really bright pulses without burn in degradation, and the bfi works better than lcd monitors with pulsar.
>>109372130>>109377856Computer monitors absolutely had the whine. People generally lose the ability to hear it by age 15 or 16, but it could be lower than 21khz and a 19 or so year old could hear it.
>>109382005computer monitors start at 31kHz. not even babies could hear that. there might be other noises made like the vsync frequency (~60-160Hz) or other power supply stuff that isn't unique to CRTs.like, 31kHz is the lower bound, anything more than 480p60 at you're only going higher than that. i have a 1996 crt monitor here which is nothing special at all and it supports syncing up to 69kHz, which is pretty nice i must say. that's good for things like 768p85 or my favourite custom 800i160. you are not hearing that hsync coil whine near 70kHz. you'll hear the 160Hz vsync whine if you're in a quiet room, but not hsync
