Yeah, the only thing it's missing at this point is a panel with HDR support (OLED perhaps?) but good OLED monitors have become cheap enough over the past few years anyway. We are even getting ARM and RISC-V development going on now. I'm not sure what else they could even consider doing here, other than a ThinkPad-esque keyboard with nipple.Other than your /pol/tarded brain incorrectly hating [product] because [founder] has [ethnicity], what is stopping you from buying a 13 Pro other than being poor and racist? I will admit that as a recovering /pol/tard (3 years clean and sober), even I am slightly surprised the man with heritage from the Indian subcontinent was able to make the best laptop since the IBM ThinkPad.>t. have bought and sold two framework 13s since the company was founded. Now that battery life is improved I will be buying another.
>>109359397Shitty keyboard layout. They are missing a keyboard with the navigation keys on the right side as a column.
They not even have an Ethernet port. Look like a useless machine.
>>109359426make your own, the cad files of this thing are open source
>>109359426It would be physically impossible to fit those keys into this chassis without a complete redesign or abnormally (or unusably) small keys. You are interested in the Framework 16. We are talking about the Framework 13 here.Would you also complain that a Mazda Miata doesn't have 3-row seating? Of course you don't, because that's a physical impossibility given the design of the car and so even considering it is retarded.
>>109359443Ethernet expansion port is available, either as pic related or built in to a TB4/USB4 dock.Ultrabook-style laptops have never included RJ45 for as long as they've existed.
I already have an M1 Macbook.I will keep using it as long as I can get a new battery for it.
>>109359498Thinkpad T16 has an Ethernet port.
>>109359565The T16 isn't an ultrabook, nor does Lenovo advertise it as suchIf you want to buy Chinovo go ahead, but I just don't see a point when they blatantly took a fat shit all over IBM's perfection and Framework is better
It is very sexy but I already have the normal Laptop 13 so can't justify upgrading. I'm intending to run this mainboard until it breaks apart.
>>109359679They sell a kit where you can upgrade and reuse your mainboard and top half, and get better speakers, chassis, haptic touchpad, and larger battery. Selling the old parts would get you back a good percent of the cost.https://frame.work/products/laptop13pro-bottom-cover-upgrade-kit
>>109359637It is thin and lightweight.
>>109359725The chassis may be thin and light, but the 16" panel disqualifies it.
>>109359443>>109359565>doesnt use ethernet from his usb-c dock at the deskngmi
>>109359397It literally has fewer ports than a modern thinkpad P14, while being more expensive for the same specsLike look at this shit >>109359498 it's fucking embarassing
>>109359822>woah the ultrabook laptop has fewer ports than the workstation laptop! And is more expensive because of the engineering needed to fit parts into a smaller space!No shit. That's been the case since literally forever. Buy the Chinovo if you want anon. But again I don't see the point because Framework won and Chinovo can never be forgiven for what they did to the Thinkpad.
>>109359845>the laptop is 13.5'' instead of 14.5'' that means it is IMPOSSIBLE to fit any ports on!It's 15.85mm thick, a thinkpad P14s is about 16.2 mm thick (checking the random latest model). 0.4mm doesn't make the difference between fitting an RJ45 or not.Also>ultrabookIt's advertised as "the ultimate developer laptop". Nowhere in the page mentions it being an ultrabook. it's framework's choice for making their "ultimate developer laptop" 13.5'' when it's basically the same market segment as 14''.>Chinovo can never be forgiven for what they did to the Thinkpad.I don't disagree but Framework is not somehow a real thinkpad either. They're still chink laptops assembled in chinkland, just with some gimmicks like swappable bezels and the weird ass port system that takes up way too much space, and a lot of marketing about their spare parts shop.
>>109359907NTA but Framework is made in Taiwan, not the PRC like Lenovo. Big difference.
>>10935946014". full Hd. nav keys. 13 is a tad too small
>>109359845>Framework wonWon what? First place at the Autism Gala?Their entire schtick is repairability and modularity, but what the fuck is the point if the parts are expensive and the I/O is outclassed by a 10 year old walmart-grade HP?>WOAH GUYS LOOK. I can have TWO usb-c ports! And then if I want, I can just take it out and replace it with a usb-a port! Isn't that heckin' neato?>N-no. I can't have two of each I only got the model with two modul-Like, holy shit, their whole business model is made obsolete by an Amazon USB hub.
I wouldn't spend more than $500 on a laptop. Especially if screensharing from a desktop to a cheap laptop is an option
>>109360059Their business model is>repairable>upgradeable>looks nice like a Macbook>cheaper than Lenovo or Dell>100.00% Linux compatible out of the boxnobody buys it for the ports gimmick
>>109360059>Autism Galakeknow point out that its all just USB dongles, but recessed
>>109360095>repairableIf something breaks within three years, get a warranty replacement. If something breaks after that then buy a new laptop.>upgradeableAnon hardly anyone "upgrades" their custom built PC outside of maybe swapping in a new GPU at some point, how many people are you expecting to be "upgrading" their framework after speccing it?>looks nice like a MacbookJust buy a MacBook then.>cheaper than Lenovo or DellUhhhhh fuckin' wot.>100.00% Linux compatible out of the boxMost laptops are. I'm unsure how this is a favorable point.
>HDR supportit was from this moment, i knew this would be a bait thread
>>109359397their bios updates have a 20% of bricking you and they take months/ sometimes years to patch serious security flaws
>chiclet keyboard>trackpad that takes up as much space as the keyboard>despite this the trackpad doesn't even have real buttonslol noif I wanted garbage Apple design for fags and women I'd just buy a macbook
>>109360303>>chiclet keyboardand what ~13 inch laptop in 2026 isn't?
>jeet run Startup Shan't.
>>109360128bait or retardation?
>>>N-no. I can't have two of each I only got the model with two modul-What are you talking about? There's no model with only two modules. Even their cheapest 12 has 4 modules. The 13 has 4 modules and the 16 has 6 modules. And they're TB/USB4 capable which means you can just dock it at home.The desktop has 2, but it has a full I/O on the motherboard on the back but that doesn't count. What are you talking about anon? Are you retarded or just ignorant?
>>109360806meant for >>109360059
>>109360303Then I hope you enjoy your cum stained ebay thinkpad from 2011 that isn't even powerful enough to edit a 20mp photo then anon, because that's the best laptop that fits your criteria. I truly mean it.
>>109360155>Guaranteed xorg user>Guaranteed has never even seen what good HDR looks like>Guaranteed thinks OLED is shit for computer monitors (but likely thinks its fine for smartphones)>Guaranteed thinks a smartphone camera's simulated HDR is "good enough"Anything I missed?
>>109360830don't worry that anon is enjoying their macbook just fine
>>109359397fuck frameworkI know it's not their fault there is a ram shortage, but it's still annoying.I'll be buying a thinkpad x1 carbon gen 14
>>109361263>pro>16GBthey should have cancelled or postponed the pre-order this just betrays user trust in favor of making a quick buck
>>109361297>pro(stitution)Because you are now Linus's slut! Be sure to watch his next tech-home upgrade, towards which you have now contributed, on your new machine! Do remember: Ad blocking is piracy! Be a good goy and watch it without an ad blocker. Better yet, subscribe to FloatPlane! Send a comm! Buy a screw(you) driver!
>>109361382>tech-home upgradeJake's farm house videos are more entertaining
>>109359397i needed a new laptop two months ago and considered hobbling along on something shitty until this came out, but decided against it. went with a t14 running cachyos but might check this out if mine dies. not really a fan of intel cpus, even if panther lake seems decent, and it seemed like this model was kind of built around that. also the price is outrageous but that's standard for framework
>>109359397>knockoff MBPno thanks
>>109361297you can just cancel your own preorder for a full refund of your 100$ deposit at any time
>>109362702TIL macbook is modular and upgradeable, sharing component form factors for over 6 years that can be swapped with only the screwdriver included in the box
>>109359397>missing navigation keys>no clitNope.
>>109362858yeah and if I just order from lenovo or dell I get what I selected period
>>109359397>indian ceoNo
>>109359397I have a framework laptop, so no.>>109359498That module sucks so much dick it's actually crazy. Not only does it protrude like that, but the retaining mechanism will allow the plastic clip to go up and over the metal clip holders and bend the fuck out of everything if anything even considers pulling on it.
>>109359778If I would only use it docked, I wouldn't get a notebook.
>>109359748Thinkpad T14 also has Ethernet. There is no excuse to not have it.
>>109359845Framework has the same shit keyboard as the new thinkpads, but it doesn't have the clit. So it is still worse. Then it misses all the useful ports. In exchange for stupid adapters.
>>109359454Yeah, let me just buy a keyboard making factory to make one keyboard retard.>>109359460HP and other laptop manufacturers were able to do it. The right side navi keys are so comfy for coding and for browsing the web. Framework is missing a big market for people who want power user keyboards. They could charge the extra markup/tax to make up for the fact that they have to make a new keyboard layout because it's actually something someone would spend the extra money to buy for comfort for their specific use case. I'm not a fan of the thinkpad nipple and their home-nav keyboard group layout, but some people who are used to using them for tech work really dig it.
>>109359460>without a complete redesign or abnormally (or unusably) small keysOn top of what the other anon said, thinkpad keyboards don't have an extra column but they have nav keys around the arrows (which are already abnormally small) and in the F-row. The top row goes Esc, F1-F12, and then Home End Insert Delete.It looks like the framework keyboard spaces out their F-keys a ton so the top row has no space for anything else. And then the left/right arrow keys are double the size of up/down for some fucking reason which is the most retarded way to make an arrow cluster ever, and leaves no space for the PgUp/PgDn keys.
>>109359397i have a pre-order in, but everyone is affected by the trackpad and display issues, and i was affected by the ram issue as per >>109361263 , which goes against what they originally said about the configuration and the price. a similarly specified lenovo thinkpad t14 gen 7 is now cheaper.
>>109359397I'm not buying SHIT in 20 fucking 26
>>109359397>Will you be buying the Framework 13 Pro laptop computer?no, I boughted the macbook pro m4 pro and am happy
>>109366773Gonna get the framework 13 pro with the more expensive ram because a thinkpad with the same specs is still more fucking expensive in europe.Fuck I hate the current state of modern computing
>>109359397it'd be pretty much perfect if they made the keyboard better and added a nipple.
>>109361263Forced to be a ramlet
>>109366773>trackpad and display issuesjfc i was tempted as they have been around for a while now, but they still couldn't get this rightreally
>>109359397Nah, I don't currently have any real use for a laptop, I do all my computer use at my computer desk. These Framework laptops seem like an interesting idea, so maybe if the need arises in the future.
>>109361263>Guys please we just had to downgrade your RAM guys please believe us we're the victims here >Look we're giving you some money back!>No not that much chuddy, the 16GB you're getting still costs more than the 32GB you preordered but don't think about it mkay?The PR corpo soft-speak just makes it more insulting. Cancel on principle anon.
>>109360115Yep, I'll just carry a $10 used hyperdrive with me. 7 ports for $10.
>>109368801if framework got fucked but the supplier, they sure as fuck aren't taking the hit for you and would rather pass the hot potato unto you, the customerfanboys will defend this
>>109368975*got buttfucked by the supplier
>>109359990>for now
>>109362874Not only is none of these ever coming to Cuckbooks, you're not even allowed to leave the stock OS and install Linux. Anyone defending them is either a dishonest shill or severely brain damaged. These options are not mutually exclusive.
This doesn't really work when I can buy a dell xps 14 for cheaper. I just want one of the new intel x7 processors, what a pain in the ass.
>>109369088>TIL macbook is modular and upgradeablebruh both the framework and mac use usb-c donglesalso:upgrade RAM? solder a new one indead board? replace it (same as framework)SSD upgrade? solder a new one in
>>109359397I don't support indian software/hardware/companes, fuck of Sukdeek.
Did they improve the cooling at all? My Framework 13 sucks balls to use. The thermal capacity of that tiny heat sink is so bad that the fan boosts constantly with the smallest of tasks. I hate using it.
India won
>>109359397>Other than your /pol/tarded brain incorrectly hating [product] because [founder] has [ethnicity], what is stopping you from buying a 13 Pro other than being poor and racist? I will admit that as a recovering /pol/tard (3 years clean and sober), even I am slightly surprised the man with heritage from the Indian subcontinent was able to make the best laptop since the IBM ThinkPad.Yeeeeeeah if you have to make it a statement you have lost a customer
>>109370067which one do you have? i have the hx 370 one, that one still sounds like a jet engine at like 5% cpu load. i assume these new intel chips are going to be at least slightly better given the lower power usage, but it doesn't look like they improved the cooler itself much
>>109359397No I spent all my money on a real doll modeled off of Chelsea Charms
>>109368762the delays are them trying to get it right.i have not heard of any consumers receiving a laptop yet.
>>109359397Get a real computer FOSSNEET.>consistent coherent UI that just works>all your familiar unix tools on the command line>has real software for people with jobsWhy are you still using linux?
>>109359397>chicklet keysno
>>109361263so they're giving you like a thousand bucks back, right? that's the price of a 16GB stick nowadays
>>109359443it has 2.5gbe and 10gbe expansion cards
>>109370067The old macbooks had this problem too. Modders fixed it by bridging the heatsink to the bottom plate but then it burned the hell out of your lap. But just use a laptop cooler or a table or whatever and its fine >>109369088what pisses me off is that pre 2015 and pre T2 you could actually upgrade your ram and swap your battery and put linux on pretty much every apple product. they just took away this functionality for no reason
>>109359397actually i like the pro laptop a lot.
>>109359397>ethnicityWhich one is he?And no probably not. They are quite expensive and my T25 works just fine with 48GB of RAM for the times I need a laptop.
>>109359397Yeah want better display and discrete GPU, or at least better APU. Are these ryzen ai and intel ultra 3s even good?
>>109372675>but then it burned the hell out of your lap. But just use a laptop cooler or a table or whatever and its fine
>>109372717same deal with new macbook airs, people still do the mod for better cooling but its designed to overheat and just expected to throttle rather than burning your lapbut at least you don't have fan noise
>>109372673other laptops can make use of dongles too anon
>>109359397>Other than your /pol/tarded brain incorrectly hating [product] because [founder] has [ethnicity]Yeah but that pattern matching intuition turns out to be correct about people and products 99% of the time.So that statement made me curious and I decided to check the staff of the company out and I found the most redditard list imaginable. This is a company full of tons of absolute dead weight, on the left is the original, and the right is after I removed the most egregious problems.This alone is enough to convince me that I don't want to touch their product. Looks like a fucking DEI disaster of a company.
>>109372916and after you cut out the bullshit jobs, this is probably the core of the company that actually gets any shit doneThey could literally cut 80% of their employees. Just a welfare program masquerading as a hardware company.
>>109372958>You!bait
Too expensive. A used modern thinkpad workstation mogs
>>109371874>>has real software for people with jobsThat's a lie.
>>109359498>Ultrabook-style laptops have never included RJ45 for as long as they've existed.Sure, kid.
>>109371874holy baste
maybe in a few years on the second hand market
gimmick desu
>>109375824Yeah, even the supposedly unique gimmick (switchable ports) is just a variation of dongle.The only 100% original ideas it has are the magnetic bezel and the pogo pin keyboard. Which you only interact with when the laptop breaks.
Frankly I think the laptops would've been a lot better without the dongle gimmick. You just end up with fewer ports in the same space.Or at least make the USB ports built-in so you can fit a reasonable amount. Give like 2 USB-C and 2 USB-A and it'll fit 99% of usecases. Then leave two of their swappable dongles so you can choose the display out you want (HDMI or DP), a micro SD slot, or extra USB if you really want. That would've been fine, but making it all dongle-based and making it so you can only have 4 ports total is just terrible.Oh and make the RJ45 built-in too since it clearly needs proper integration into the chassis, and can't fit into the dongle form factor.
>>109359397>indian ceoI will never support indian led companies
>>109359397>costs more than my Razer>twice as slow>worse and fewer I/O portsWhy do you retards buy this garbage?>b-but muh upgradable mptherboardBy the time you "upgrade" your motherboard, whole chasis is worthless, with a shit display attached to it, and time to buy a new one anyway.
>>109359397I'm batch two, should have mine in a month or two. Apparently still getting 32 GB ram. My second FW actually, using a regular 13 with Ryzen, planning to use that mobo as an external PC for plex and such.
>>109359397SAAAAR I JAST KINDLY DOUNGRADED YOR RAMSHOW BOB AND VAGANE I REDEEM U NEXT WEEK OK
>>109359397No, chud. I believe in open borders and the destruction of the White race.
not buying a framework until they have tb5
>>109373760What an elegant solution!
Costco has an MSI prestige 16 with an intel x7 358H 32GB ram and 1TB ssd for $1400, thoughts? I wish it was the 14" but for this price I can't really complain.
>>109359397$1,499Zero interest. If I was spendiong that it would go on a GPU or DDR5
>>109359443>They not even have>Look like a useless They don't ship to your village, don't worry.
why would you knowingly buy a product that linus cucktips has a stake in?
>>109359397I've read the manuals they provide for repairs, they don't even have a FRU numbering scheme, and crappy photo driven per-part guides.All the other issues aside, the repair documentation and parts ecosystem is so awful that I have no interest in these.Then there's no trackpoint on the keyboard, the IO is dreadful (one port per module is insane).I'll stick with thinkpads myself, even modern ones are shockingly decent. I'm using my T14s gen 6 AMD to shitpost here right now.
>>109371874this
