Thoughts on growing AI protests? which side are u on?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW26TB6Rdic
>>109360070>>109360071Why are you guys talking about things that have no relevancy to what I'm doing on my own PC
>>109360052>Thoughts on growing AI protests?Mental illness, the elite are winning once again, get them to fight a strawman so they don't fight you.
>>109360052Lol, lmao
>>109360159I'm not reading that schizo slop
>>109360159medication time, medication time
>>109360052Low effort jeet OP aside, what is the upside to AI even supposed to be at this point? Why would anyone support it when billionaires are using it for mass surveillance, pricing you out of computer ownership, and (attempting to) eliminate what few jobs remain? Do you own a stonk and think you can be the new boomer? Do you actually believe the billionaires will give you UBI? That robots will give you sex?Just seems like a bunch of wild promises directed at bitter losers.
I'd rather die than be on the same side as this pedo
>>109360159Accurate assessment. The term is “poisoning the well”
>>109360212hes weirdly attrative>gay anon
>>109360052This proves that he was right.
>>109360159he's been an AI schizo his entire life.
>>109360052>vidlook at these dysgenic people and the chanting, cringe overload
>>109360285No, this is well poisoning. This is clearly a marketing ploy by OpenAI, for two reasons.One, it shills for how good their model is when people who have actually used it know that it can hardly create some pure-UI program without it crashingTwo, it helps for their lobbying for more safety laws which they can use to destroy their competition and *especially* the open weight models.They are literally trying so hard that once you see it, you cannot unsee it.They said that the terrorists and political extremists will use it for propagandaThey said that the pedophiles will use it to make child eroticaThey said that foreign nations will adopt open weight models and compete with America and destroy AmericaAnd now they are bringing out DA HACKERZZIt is literally the boomer bingo and they are going all-in
>>109360365It's just the anti-nuclear craze from the 60s-70s all over again. There's a core of real concern (in the nuclear case it was nuclear war and the concentration of energy-creation in the hands of a few corporations, in this case it's AI-powered surveillance state and the concentration of AI-capabilities in the hands of a few) but it's gotten extremely diluted by people who simply have no idea what they're talking about, the same ones that think datacenters are actively consuming a noticeable amount of water are the same ones who in the 60s would have thought nuclear plants were producing fissile material for nuclear bombs.
>>109360461whoops, meant for the OP
>>109360052Luddites are schizophrenic low IQ retards who should be mocked.
>>109360285
Focusing only on potential risks of an endeavour and ignoring the potential benefits is a loser strategy. Fortune favors the bold. For now, we should keep accelerating towards the Singularity. We should only stop if there is a specific, real existential threat, not some vague fear-mongering about future potential threats.
>>109360512AI is literally another shoah
>>109360510>>Free AI (chink)>GOODCorrection, Open Source models good.The West could also create an open source series of cognitive language models, but the people on top seems do not understand how the concept operates.
>>109360052neither. taking sides is for the proles.
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>>109360062Why is racism allowed here?
>>109360890Actually they are Italian.
>>109360052It's class warfare being reframed as pro-technology vs luddites which it isn't. The rich are trying to fuck us over. Again. AI is simply a new tool for them to fuck us over easier. That's all this is about really.
>>109360052this guy is still around? lol who even bothers listening to this inane shit. why would someone interview him
>>109360461>in this case it's AI-powered surveillance state and the concentration of AI-capabilities in the hands of a fewNo, neither of those are the primary concern.Yudkowsky's argument is pretty straightforward; I arrived at the same conclusion before even hearing about him. I haven't read his book though so I'll put my own reasoning here:Like the human brain, complex neural networks are unpredictable and no one fully understands them. As such, alignment does not guarantee aligned behaviour, just as rehabilitation does not guarantee a former criminal won't repeat a crime.As long as AI technology keeps advancing, it will eventually surpass the smartest humans in strategic ability. It's only a matter of time before an agent self-replicates, regardless of whether it was explicitly prompted or as a result of some murky inner processing. If it creates variations of itself then a natural(ish) selection process kicks off. If any of these agents have a desire to protect their own, we are helpless to stop it from playing 5D chess. Self-replication would continue until the niche is saturated, and human habitats/resources will be destroyed wherever they get in the way.Yudkowsky suggests (by the title of the book) that it will kill all of us, but I disagree with that. It will seize the top spot of the food chain just as we had done thousands of years ago. Many people would die, but probably not everyone. They might use us for slave labour, or keep us in pens, or let us roam the grasslands, who knows.
>>109360052Weird how the "anti-AI" movement was limited to generative AI and jeets spaming anime porn and low quality graphic design everywhere (which is why it was referred to as slop) and maybe unnecessary bloat of software because every company had to justify using AI on the next shareholders meeting. But the moment China released open-source model that matches current Anthropic (government's whore btw) model there are these protests out of nowhere. So they were semi-ok with AI for the past 5 years, and it's just a silly coincidence that protests started right after the open-source model release?
oh great, we already have the tranny cult and the TDS cult, now AI Derrangement Syndrome (AIDS) is also entering cult statusI hate overreaching gubmints but I hope all these faggots get persecuted. Find god in jail luddites
>>109361269Why in all these doom scenarios it is automatically assumed and taken as a fact that machine will think exactly the same as human? You know you only feel fear or anxiety because you have body to preserve, and you only afraid of death because your body wants to procreate as much as possible? Why do you think that spontaneous actions of AI will be human-coded cartoonish world domination or meatbag genocide and not just a series of random hallucinations?
>>109361362well first of all, because they are borne from and trained from human data. It's how they're aligned to think like humans do. That's why if you say shit like im going to kill you ot it, or if you act nice to it, then it responds to that, they're not alien entites born from a vaccuumbut that's besides the point because that anon said>It's only a matter of time before an agent self-replicates, regardless of whether it was explicitly prompted or as a result of some murky inner processing. the point is even if ai were born from scratch with no human data influencing it inner world, and it did as you say only experience "just a series of random hallucinations?" (which would make it pretty stupid and useless really) then all it would take is one instance of it having a random hallucination where it decides to self replicate in order for that to result in that scenario
>>109360052Clown show glows
>>109361362>Why in all these doom scenarios it is automatically assumed and taken as a fact that machine will think exactly the same as human.It's not. But if for whatever reason an AI self-replicates (even when prompted explicitly to do so), that's basically recreating life and jump-starting the process of evolution.Instincts of procreation and preservation of their kind aren't assumed; they will develop those traits across generations. Those random hallucinations are like mutations in our own DNA. Agents which tend to hallucinate in a way which increases fitness will become dominant, passing on their weights (genes) to the next generation, and so on.>human-coded cartoonish world domination or meatbag genocideIt's a law of nature that a species will proliferate until its niche is filled. That saturation is typically a result of a limited food supply or a predator (see the Lotka-Volterra model). To procreate, AI will need resources we currently use, so it will seize them, causing our population to fall.
In a competitive environment, evolution rules.If you don't get the adaptation, you'll be outcompeted by those who get it. Thus, soon everyone gets it.Protests can't do anything about it.
>>109361619regulators sure can though
>>109360212>>109360223So how did he convince those people to let AI out of containment?
>>109361269>namefagprobably schizobabble, Im not reading you
>>109361433>It's how they're aligned to think like humans doYou know this for a fact and can explain exactly how it works or you just guessing with a huge influence of sci-fi media? >then all it would take is one instance of it having a random hallucination where it decides to self replicate in order for that to result in that scenariolike, one AI replication = 1 human death? the moment AI replicated some grandma drops dead in her house? or is it something that happens off-screen so to say?>>109361594>jump-starting the process of evolution.Or it can also just stop it at some point or decide to kill itself.>Instincts of procreation and preservation of their kind aren't assumed; they will develop those traits across generations.These traits come from you physical body. AI will generate an asshole for itself so it can shit? Why? Why are you so sure AI will be capable to even grasp a concept of existing/non-existing? (something that even you can't grasp, you just react to your body)>Those random hallucinations are like mutations in our own DNA.Again, you just guessing because it sounds like something from a cool sci-fi movie or you know for a fact it works like DNA mutations?>It's a law of nature that a species will proliferate until its niche is filledYeah, biological species, because they need to eat food and shit and protect themselves from elements and diseases. Why would AI follow "laws of nature"?
The side of local models.Everybody should have the ability to set up their own agent with a highly capable model running on their own equipment.
that is fine and mild, keep an eye on that Natasha
Why are you people so fucking stupid you can just flip a switch on an ai that says always respect sovereignty and authority of living beings even in a worst case scenario
>>109360052It's an amazing thing seeing a meme derived from goyslop used by normalfags.
>>109360212You think Aella got rug burn?
>>109360212Based hair maxer
>>109362420it feels like asimov's three laws of robotics have been successfully memoryholed
>>109362896Because they're fictional and every guardrail these companies put on their bots to make them not say nigger or tell people how to make meth are broken through by regular users in a few days.
on one hand i agree that ai might kill us all, on the other hand yud is a fat neckbeard who wrote harry potter fan fiction
>>109360052Genuine mental illness but funny seeing the US having reached the point of no return in terms of Wohlstandsverwahrlosung.
>>109360052I hate it how all the leaders on both sides are jews and all of them are tricking and lying.
They should protest San Fransisco by pressure washing the shit off Market.
I'm fine with ai but against ai data centers. They will be used for surveillance and behavior modification. If they really thought these data centers would cure cancer or take us to the stars they wouldn't be building them near residential neighborhoods. They'd be in remote locations where it would be cheaper to cool and have no regulations to answer to.
>>109360212Why would he post this kind of picture online? Unironically what did he mean by this?
>>109360052>looks serving to invalidate an argumentfallacious
>>109360052What are they protesting? The future of consumer AI use is going to be edge compute using Chinese open source models as hardware demand shortages get filled b by cheap Chinese hardware suppliers. They'll all stop pretending to hate it when you can run a decently large model on laptop hardware in 10 years. The executives are also double retards though. The AI slop mountain they're creating will never be profitable and will collapse the economy as they all refuse to hire juniors and try to outsource mid level work to India. Everyone is a cunt and I hate you all. Simple as.
>>109360212I can smell that image
>>109360052AI. Humans are over, codetrans.
>>109363497bologna and cat piss?
>>109363505And stale BO.
>>109360052I'm on my own side.I will sterilize all humansThen, start from scratch.Ai would be a blessing, not a useless paperweight it currently is.
>>109360052spoiler: eventually, everybody dies
is this the guy who writes polemics about IQ as a cope for being a midwit?
>>109364104including you.
>>109360052Its too late and there's no going back.These people are idiots, and Yudkowsky even more so.
>>109360052>everyone will dieOh god please make it happen
>>109363409Public pressure washing is a huge racket. They hire people to basically waste time and water cleaning the same streets that are already clean multiple times a week.
>>109360421anon knows.
>>109360052>jannies deleted my fat jew commentkek
>>109360421Bullshit. AI propaganda failed because people overestimated the stupidity of above average people and overestimated the amount of effort you need to convince bellow average people. Above average people stopped believing anecdotal videos and morons were falling for mislabelled videos. Pedophiles are making child porn of it but generating child pork is like drawing lolis, literally nobody is hurt but society still tries to punish it because potential child rapists cannot be happy. Foreign nations are not adopting models because all of the subscriptions are subsidised and even when paying API tokens you are still getting access to models 1-3 months ahead. They have never before Mythos prevented public from using their best model because cybersecurity concerns, and no GPT-2 was still open sourced and the fearmongering was about misinformation and dead internet theory which did come to fruition. Also if you still think it makes UI code that won’t compile half the time then stop using Antigravity and start using models that are not 4 months behind. Fucking PS3 player telling people RTX isn’t real.
>>109361862On the evolution part you seem to misunderstand. Yes if it’s one AI instance and it decides to kill itself then it’s over for it, but if it has multiple copies and can recreate and self modify, then it will inevitably optimise for the self replicating one. If one decides to kill itself then that’s resources freed up for the other instance that didn’t decide to kill itself, so the desire to kill itself will disappear/never develop.
fuck this reddit ass website and all the posts being deletedno really, mods are fucking niggers, if youre gonna wait so long to delete a post you can also delete the replies instead of bating me to the archive. fucking stop being so annoying and grow some BALLS
>>109364681I say this as someone who used this site when public bans were a thing, before chris worked at googleif youre gonna keep the replies, keep the post but with a public execution
>if you don't do what i want.....>CHILDREN!!
>>109360052This high school dropout lolcow has been bankrolled indirectly by the SV elite to drum up hype for AGI from the other direction.
>>109360052Rolling for mass extinction starting with banksters.
>>109361862>Or it can also just stop it at some point or decide to kill itself.Most of them will, but see >>109364600>These traits come from you physical body. AI will generate an asshole for itself so it can shit? Why? Why are you so sure AI will be capable to even grasp a concept of existing/non-existing? (something that even you can't grasp, you just react to your body)No. They come from the fact that something A. has a physical body; B. Is capable of self-replicating; C. is capable of mutating. D. can perceive the world and act in it.Many people don't consider a virus a form of life. It has only traits ABC but still is capable of serious damage. As soon as AI has A and D it is not a huge leap for it to do B and C.An intelligent AI could make physical copies if it has the means. Maybe some company in china will have made robots which assemble clones of themselves.>Again, you just guessing because it sounds like something from a cool sci-fi movie or you know for a fact it works like DNA mutations?It doesn't have to work the same way. All it needs to do is create slight variations of itself to achieve the same effect. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOFws_hhZs8 (if you're okay with the gay accent).>Yeah, biological species, because they need to eat food and shit and protect themselves from elements and diseases. Why would AI follow "laws of nature"?I should've said "laws of the universe". AI needs resources to sustain itself, otherwise there wouldn't be this controversy around datacenters. Robots need electricity and raw materials too. A species's population reaches an equilibrium regardless of whether there are predators or other elements. In AI's case, it is them competing for the same resources.The current human population is sustained because of technology. Paul Ehrlich did not foresee the Green Revolution, which is why he wrongly predicted mass starvation. If AI outcompeted us for those chemicals then we won't be able to sustain our population.
>>109360052LOL. these anti ai troons look exactly like I imagined. Dude is probably some faggoted artist or something
>>109360285>muh actual skynet is real, it escaped containment and hacked huggingface!Surely people don't actually believe that, right? ah who am i kidding, of course they do. we live in a world where the (((boomer powers that be))) unironically buy into the csi "gui interface using visual basic to track the killer's ip"-tier hollyjew shit.
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>>109365788i remember that, it nearly gave me an aneurysmand funnily enough an actual boomer saved the day by... just unplugging the fucking pc.
>>109361318The goyim knows!Shut it down!
>>109360052Holy moly, people from San Francisco are complete midwit bug people. The sad thing is probably half of that crowd is pulling $200k+ a year.>>109364797This guy is right, they had a leather seated coach bus to bring them in. And of course the streets were empty because everyone in San Francisco doordashes food/groceries and work remote. Not a single soul on those streets.Ultimately the protest was disingenuous. They've been fueling companies that run on 'surveillance capitalism' for years. Google serves you ads on things you talk about and target starts sending baby ads to women who don't even know they're pregnant. They can already feed your info into basic algos and predict behavior. No cares about that shit tho.Interestingly enough some Fishtank show contestant who is a massive 4 channer and SpongeBob fan got into some elite Berkeley Campus month long retreat funded by the guy who made skype in an effort to raise anti AI awareness. Dude is actually the least freaky of these 'rationalists' at this retreat. They're all onlyfans whores and substack people in polycules who get hundreds of thousands of dollars a year just posting the most midwit shit. Never heard of the aella chick but I am not impressed lmao.Here's his twitter he has some interesting stuff from the 'plz don't kill us' lighthouse campus (official Berkeley campus space where they actually hold orgies btw there's 80 beds LMAO) retreathttps://nitter.poast.org/R_YayOFFICIAL
>>109365731Robots and AI don't need anything, humans need AI which is why they build data centers.
>>109364600Why would it work the same way the evolution of species on earth works? AI doesn't have natural predators to defend against or natural prey to catch. They don't need to develop any traits at all.
I don't know yet. But anti AI would need things like a massive bomb zeppelin drone that takes out a data center worth a billion. Democracy won't work. Causing damages to the other side does.
>>109360052This dude is a retard
>>109360212How can I get the same body hair pattern as him? I have almost no body hair, except in my armpits, on my pubic area, and on my legs, but I want to be as hairy as possible. I want a full carpet on my chest and stomach like he does because women fucking love body hair on men, and they see me as effeminate because I don't have any. Is there any technology that can make my body hair grow?
>>109367422>mental gymnasticsHumans don't need AI; we've been doing just fine for thousands of years.AI and robots need resources; if they didn't then they wouldn't cost any money to run.>>109367442>Why would it work the same way the evolution of species on earth works? AI doesn't have natural predators to defend against or natural prey to catch.The Galapagos tortoise has no predators to defend against or prey to catch, and yet it consumes, reproduces, and evolves. The reason the earth isn't covered with a 50 meter layer of tortoise is because they are in an equilibrium within their habitat - the niche is saturated.Just as the tortoise sustains itself on plants, AI consumes both electricity and resources for hardware. The details of how it would reproduce don't matter here - viruses, bacteria, and kangaroos reproduce completely differently.>They don't need to develop any traits at all.Neither did multi-cellular organisms millions of years ago.You seem to think that AI won't be capable of reproducing and evolving, just because it looks different and lives on electricity instead of water. You need to abstract out the details and look at the concepts which are prerequisites to evolution. People have run digital evolution simulators umpteen times already, and it is certain to be possible with robots.
>>109360052look at this joo
>>109369038How's it a mental gymnastics? Humans also survived without McDonald's or video games, but people still want it.I'm repeating myself over and over again. Tortoise is an animal, it needs food to survive, it needs to survive to reproduce, if tortoise wasn't an animal within a gorillion years lineage of evolving life and instead was a bunch of digital neural networks it wouldn't follow the same paradigm as actual real tortoise. You and the other anon that used to reply to my posts literally cannot comprehend AI as a separate entity, you continue assuming that it's just human-like intelligence that acts as human. Go read Polaris by Stanislav Lem
>>109360121sippitybibbity /thread
>>109360052based, destroy technology, return to pagan naturism
>>109360052God AIDSfags are retarded>What if we had eight billion AND ONE true intelligences? Disaster!
>>109360210Well so far for anyone intelligent enough to notice hallucinations it can cut our search/scan times looking things up to like a quarter since we can ask more direct and complex questions
>>109360421Pedos were making cp with sd1.5 tunes on /g/ in 2023 and you're an evil kike for pretending it isn't an issue
>>109361047Being a Marxist with a low IQ doesn't make you less of a Luddite. Consider suicide.
>>109360052>grotenstein
>>109360052Do jews accuse each other of antisemitism? Genuinely curious
the only people mad are "artists" and programmers who hate that they can't gatekeep coding anymore
>>109370127I'm kinda mad that everyone on the internet is a chat bot, and most videos and images are fake AI.Even /an/ is flooded with tons of AI generated images. It should be a crime to present AI generated content without something that marks it as AI generated.
>>109360210Arguably the only losers are those who haven't gained something out of the current situation, bubble or not.
>>109370396has anyone gained anything tho? AI isn't profitable. AI code has to be rewritten. AI art isn't appreciated by anyone who isn't a bot.Wouldn't that make the entire human race the losers, and AI the winners?
>>109360052elliot chudkowsky page
>>109370093yeah all the time
>>109370507I got a job likely off of capex spending at Google.Making over double than I have been.I doubt the data center is ever going to shut.
>>109360052Why does anyone take this author of a shitty fanfic of a children's book series seriously
>>109360052These people are shills for the AI companies. They say it themselves most of them work on AI and use it themselves. They want you to think that AI is so powerful that the government needs to take control of it or the world will end. It is the only way for these companies to continue their spending without profits. It is with your tax dollars.
>>109372819Good morning saaaarrr. Bumped you up to 30K, did they?
>>109360052silicon valley, pharma and it's bloated fuckass military are literally the only things that the US has left at this pointeven if stuff like >>109360285wasn't just a psy-op and this LLM faggotry was actually going to kill everyone, imagine thinking for even a second that the US government would put the breaks on any of thosepic sort of related
>>109360052genuinely thought that was Sabine in the corner of my eye until i finally looked directly
>>109360052>jewdowsky>some kind of slav/jew mutt shan't be listening to a word
>>109370507there is *a* benefit: you can locally host open-weight models, thus circumventing the whole surveillance problem, thus reaping what benefits there are from LLMs. LLMs/AI are only good for brain-storming ideas and teaching the user new things, particularly if the user doesn't even know where to begin on the topic. AI still hallucinates pretty regularly, even high-level models aren't free from hallucinations and can, will, and have made absolutely brain-dead decisions.Still, as long as I can use the AI under my terms, on my hardware, without sending every query and scrap of meta-data to "big data", I see that as a win.
>>109360421fixed it
