>released 2012>still holds up in 2026>can't find the same features in a modern laptopDid technology plateau after this? I think laptops were solved at this very moment, and everything afterwards has been a cheap imitation.
>>109360459Can it watch 1080p youtube videos using av1 without the CPU cooking itself?
>>109360522Yes, Ivy Bridge is more than capable of this
>>109360459>still holds upif all you do is web browsing and use a WM from the 2000s, sure
>>109360551It's not, which is the point of that comment. It doesn't have the hardware decoders for that so you have to be tethered to the wall while doing that else the CPU will sap the battery in 30 minutes. All just to try to drown out the fans spinning at 100% with the shit tinny speakers. Stop going on the internet and lying to validate your old tech. It's aesthetic and I like it but no, it sucks.
>>109360617and post on lainchan to larp as le hackerman
>>109360617Don't worry, OP will either lie or move the goal post beyond the horizon with bullshit like "I don't even do that so it's irrelevant".
>>109360459My X60 and T430 both suck. I still have a T480S that works pretty well but I don't believe in forever laptops--i.e. the Thinkpad from Ebay meme.
>>109360637Lainchan is slow but objectively higher quality than this place.
>>109360459
>>109360698neat.
The keyboard, trackpad, and trackpoint is literally the only thing good, unique, and likeable about it. If you could have those three things with modern hardware and screen for $2000 you would take it in an instant (as would any /g/tard including me).
>>109360617>>109360643I do game development on mine.
>>109360759Very cool. What's your point here?
Reminder they make old computers useless with reverse moore's law, and they make old cars useless with emissions standards.
>>109360861> they make old computers useless with reverse moore's lawWat?> they make old cars useless with emissions standardsYes but what does that have to do with the first thing?
>>109360522Kek I watch 1080P youtube videos at 30 fps on a core 2 duo with GMA graphics
>>109360884>everse moore's lawIt's software bloat Anon, computers will double their RAM, and the dam soi-devs will quadruple the memory usage to the point where a laptop with a 4nm CPU, M.2 drive will have delays in the interface clicking around.
>>109360935not av1 tho, you use h264dify extension
>>109360777It's more than browsing and using a WM from the 2000s.
>>109360884Planned fecal obeisance, tardvaark.
>>109360637>>109360686stop talking about it I don't want any fucking retards migrating
>>109361026too late, here i come :^)
>>109360698Any gains are nullified by software bloat
>>109361026I would rather post with the retards here than the tranny pseuds over there. People here are at least occasionally funny.
>>109361026AAAAAIIIIEEEEEEE!!!https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/lainchan>4786 results found
>>10936045916/9 screen, YUCK
>>109361917are we serious now
>>109361026>no tooltipsim migrating
>>109360459>Did technology plateau after thisYes and it's not just laptops. Phones also had insane features and weren't just le slab. Desktop components were getting so good you could use the same GPU for a decade.
>>109360459If you seriously think an x230 is usable in the year 2026, your fucking time is worthless.
>>109360459Should I use my x220 as daily driver?
>>109362145Upgrade to a x230 and transplant the keyboard for the ultimate daily driver
>>109362145buy an x230 and do the keyboard + plamrest swap, bonus points if you install canoeboot on it
>>109362133it is if you do the quadcore cpu mod
>>109362133>usableI'm using one right now, does that count?>timeIt does everything I want it to instantly on lxqt, and it probably feels snappier than your modern shitbook running windows 11 tbqh no cap
>>109362165>>109362169x230 has the same resolution, no?? So it doesn't make any difference.I still have a t420 too, with the high resolution, but the laptop is scuffed and it's not as cute
>>109362185yes it have a 1366 x 768 display but there is an official ips option that looks much better
>>109362185>resolutionIt's the upgrade to Ivy Bridge CPU that makes the x230 cross the threshold to being usable as a modern daily driver, it has nothing to do with screen resolution kek
>>109362201>It's the upgrade to Ivy Bridge CPUi literally have no idea about that.I wrote my master thesis on this x220 in 2021 and did some mid-level FPGA dev.I spent a trillion euros to upgrade to 16GiB and then it just worked kinda - at least that's what I remember
>>109362180>>109362181You are far better off buying a G6 x1 carbon instead. Literally better in every way plus the screen is larger than your micropenis and actually usable. The x220/230 form factor is fucking retarded. And this is coming from someone with an x220 that I threw in the fucking trash.
>>109362212It's a big upgrade especially for some modern software that will be sluggish on the x220, that's all.If you are careful about what software you use then it doesn't matter
>>109362215no canoeboot support thus it's shit
>>109362050I think smartphones peaked in 2016, around the Oneplus 3. Back then I had a phone I could unlock with sunglasses on. Nowadays I have to take them off to unlock my iPhone.
>>109362215>G6 x1 carbonOh no no no no HAHAHAHAHA
>>109362221nah they peaked in 2009 with the nokia n900
>>109360459It did, for about 8 generations. Tiger lake saw about the same performance gain in one generation as all generations since ivy bridge combined.
>>109362227And? You lose 1 usb A and gain 2 thunderbolt. 100% superior tradeoff. Plus screen resolution that is actually usable.
>>109362239you can upgrade to a higher res display with a hardware mod on the x230
>>109362244And you get a device with a smaller screen, unusable trackpad, keyboard that is not any better, and heavier. You aren't looking special, you are looking retarded. The days of the 220/230 being cool ended 10 fucking years ago.
>>109362244>you can [tinkertranny for a worse result]you do you, bud
>>109362257>smaller screengood, i want my laptop to be portable>unusable trackpadit's a thinkpad, there's no point in getting one if you're not going to use the trackpoint>keyboard that's not really betterlmao>heavieryou mean buiild better and made to last
>>109362259>worseshow us a better machine that has canoeboot support, i'll wait
>>109362275x1g6 carbon is better, cope and seethe third worlder
>>109362282no canoeboot support so you're wrong
>>109362287No one fucking cares about trannyboot, cope and seethe you arent sticking it to society by purposefully using a shitty laptop.
>>109362215>x1 carbonI had one, the audio jack broke and was impossible to fix, then the speakers broke and were impossible to fix, then the keyboard broke and was impossible to fix, then the bluetooth stopped working and was impossible to fix, then the usb ports broke and now I literally can't use it at all. This all happened in the span of 3 years and is apparently not uncommon due to shitty components and the extremely retarded way it's assembled(everything is not only glued in but in reverse order so you have to entirely disassemble it to base components and empty the shell just to get to the keyboard or trackpad) Before it fell apart it was fucking great though, I got the hidpi screen and it was actually better than my desktop computer, gets so fucking red hot it practically glows though, no way you can actually use it on your lap for more than a few minutes at a time.
>>109362300cope and seethe, enjoy your backdoored machine
>>109360459>Reddit on Google Chrome on Gentoo
>>109362398I found the photo on the internet.
>>109362398
>irreparably outdated and obsolete hardware>hailed by poorfags whose greatest level of computer is taking screenshots and posting them on /g/
>>109360635dunno, I have a g75vw, 3610 inteljew cpu and use it as a bedside youtube machine. Granted, i wouldn't use it for much else, but it plays 1080p YT videos just fine.
>>109362483>poorfagsthese things cost $150 used poorfags aren't buying them
ok got it up and running. Lets try to use this entirely for coding for one week
>>10936052216 to 25% all core usage depending on bitratepretty respectable all things considered
>>109360698wake me up when linux gets ported to that thing (it won't since it's a mobile chip lmao)
>>109360459I've been daily driving a refurbished x230 tablet for several months now because I travel a lot for my job. Being able to practice drawing on the go without having to carry a clunky usb drawing pad everywhere is so nice. I don't even turn on my desktop when I get back home anymore, I just don't feel the need to. Best purchase of the year for me.>>109360522>>109360635>>109362518get the H264ify enhanced browser extension. It forces all youtube video into avc1 and keeps the old cpu of the x230 nice and cool.
>>109362564No, mommy buys it for them and they keep them for 15 years past their useful date because they can't afford anything better.>>109362743>just force youtube to use a shittier codec that looks worse because ewaste can't handle the non-shit codecs
>>109360635>It doesn't have the hardware decoders for that so you have to be tethered to the wall while doing that else the CPU will sap the battery in 30 minutes.it's more like 2.5 hours of battery if you don't have an expanded battery pack>tethered to the wallpower banks exist
>>109362275Using the trackpoint literally cured my hand tendonitis I got from heavy mouse usage. Using the thumb for clicks is so much better for the hand than using the index finger.
>>109362746>that looks worselol no
>>109362746all the yt codecs look the exact same.
>>109362614>pretty respectableNo.>all things consideredI suppose.
>>109362779cap
>>109362746I'm glad your favorite meme format looks better at similar file sizes but we could make it look the same and it would be smaller which saves us more money.
https is a meme protocol i think we should stick to http with browser extension to encrypt traffic using caesar cypher
>>109362846is this ironic?
>>109362864>>109362779>>109362765Why do you insist on deluding yourself like this? Next you'll claim 2+2=3.5.
>>109362941i'm dead serious
>>109362948So are you claiming av1 doesn't manage smaller file sizes at similar image quality or that Google doesn't want to save money at every possible opportunity?
>>109362754>power banks exist>USB-C in 2013
>>109362975slice batteries exist
>>109362310NTA, but coreboot--or any of its derivatives--alone does not remove all the proprietary firmware on the system. There's also the matter of blobs and CPU microcode, not to mention general, user-identifying habits on the network or the Internet in general. The coreboot project is neat, but fags should stop parroting the meme that it will suddenly make you untraceable to glowniggers. >>109362409Post your own. Why make a point about the X230's (and Ivy Bridge systems') usability in current your if you yourself don't use one?
>>109363073
>>109363060unbuyable in most parts of the world
>>109363060No they don't, I've been trying to find one for years.
>>109360459>gentoo >stinkpadStop falling for every single /g/ meme
>>109362975what? you just get one with a plug socket
>>109363073>if you yourself don't use one?I do use one, I just didn't feel like taking a photo of it.Cope and seethe about it kek
>yeah my thinkpad is fucking sick>I only have to carry around 50lbs in accessories for it to properly workYou guys are so funny
>>109360459>Did technology plateau after thisThe audacity of saying this while having a 1366x768 screen, you people are the whole circus.
>>109363156Your eyes can't see higher than 480
>>109360522Yeah, dav1d is goodIt actually has a harder time decoding h265 vs AV1
>>109363156I have hidpi fatigue and it's a primary contributor to battery life and thermal issues on laptops.At 12.5 inches the biggest screen I'd want is like 1600x900.
>>109363279/g/ consoomers will blow a gasket but you're right.720p ish is a perfectly fine resolution and it's nice to look at, no eyestrain
>>109360459>dual-core in 2026
>>109363314quad-core motherboards exists
>>109363342cool, but that's not what OP has
>>109363342Spending money to upgrade a 2012 system to a slightly more performant state is retarded--especially so considering the fact that it will run even hotter. Just buy a quad-core system close enough to the specs you want, at a price that's sane. The latter principle applies to older models as well. It's retarded how some people buy for-parts models and spend money "restoring/modding" them. It's little more than LEGO for performative/consumer tech autists.
>>109360459>can't find the same features in a modern laptop?
>>109363314I can't imagine using a dual core CPU in 2026, eight cores is the bare minimum
>>109362281goalposts successfully moved but also I have no idea what that is, nor do I care
>>109363533a snowflake fork of trannyboot (libreboot)
>>109363477Show me a modern laptop that has something like the ThinkLight.Also>physical wireless kill switch>kensington lock>SD card reader>multiple types of display output ports
>>109360635>disable AV1 on YouTube>go about my day with an Ivy Bridge StinkPad from 2013AV1 offers zero (ZERO) benefit at the piss tiny bitrates Google is using at the sub-4K resolutions appropriate for that display
>>109363634>not using invidious
>>109363477does it have canoeboot support?
>>109363945yes, you can put it in the boot of your canoe
>>109364065so you're saying that it can have a fully libre bios?
>>109363629>ThinkLightthis is never going back>physical wireless kill switchbest you can do is to have the wireless disabled by default on boot (only turn it on when you need it)the rest you can still easily get but not in one perfect modern machine
>>109360459Snailcat device
>>109360459>knows how to use gentoo>still using chrome>browses reddit
>>109364075nothing after core 2 has a truly "fully libre" bios
>>109364571wrong https://15h.org/index.php/Home
>>109364624>amdlmao
>>109360617>>109360635The laptop is 2012 not 2002 you retarded faggots.
>>109364571canoeboot on the x230 is libre
>>109360459>>still holds up in 2026You fags are not seriousThe only legitimate reason to use one of these things is if you're a pedo or something and you want to coreboot/libreboot itAnything else is trend chaser nonsense by pseuds
>>109365046I keep a MacBook Pro from 2012 around for the odd stone age FireWire device I'm given to troubleshoot so I don't have to waste 4-8 PCI-e lanes on a $50 1x 1394b card. And for the HFS/APFS drives. It's perfectly cromulent for web browsing and the matte screen is kinda nice.
they got smaller and more energy effecient but locked down more
>>109362968>inane gibberishwhy do you insist on pretending h264 is better than vp9 and av1 just because your ewaste hardware can't run the latter?
>>109365016Intel ME is not libre
>>109363629>>kensington lockwhy would a fucking normie EVER need that?
Will we ever make old tech last forever? I wish I could use my old laptop forever without hardware or software obsolescence.
>>109365995Somehow freetards don't care about preinstalled proprietary software, because they consider it part of the hardware. Even when it's a literal backdoor like ME.They happily run Intel ME, the outdated and insecure proprietary firmware in their atheros WiFi chip, ssd and other devices. As long as the software isn't installed by them or loaded by the OS they are OK with.
>firefox and libreoffice update>laptop becomes firebrick paperweight for 56 hours
>>109366080most hardware from the 2010s will probably outlive you if you don't subject it to insane temperatures
>>109364624we're talking about intel chips>>109365016it still has several blobs
>>109360635Why are zoomers like this?
>>109360459Laptops really got shite. I still have a 2009 packard bell I run Linux on. Nowadays you dont even have a LAN port or an insane number of USB port.I guess because Tablets also died so industry decided to merge the two.
>>109360459>X220>not getting the T420Is your dick small?>>109360522As thin client it does.>>109360551No it can't handle 4K av1 or VP9 stop making lies.>>109360635>It's aesthetic and I like it but no, it sucks.You don't know how to use it then.
>>109367071It's a x230 not a x220 fagitIt can handle videos just fineAn equivalent laptop is the t530.
>>109360459as much as i love mine, the modern web is killing it, and sometimes you just have to use some modern bloat unless you're spending your whole day on 4chan, good batteries are also harder to come by nowadays.
>>109360459>Did technology plateau after this?Kinda, my shitty dual core ivy bridge 3380m is still more than enough as a portable, and the thinkpad from 2017 I just got, I consider to be "mega overkill" because it can hold 32GB of RAM.
>>109365995canoeboot disables intel me>>109366702umm no you're thinking of libreboot
Let me guess, you "need" more?
>>109362483I buy old shit like this to shitpost on, I use real hardware aka an actual desktop to do important shit, where I don't have to worry about the default underclocked system throttling and further underclocking itself while it overheats and cooks itself giving me 35% of the performance of it's supposed hardware capabilities. Like I assume every man with a functional cock does.
>>109369984lmao it's literally worse and less private than libreboothttps://canoeboot.org/docs/install/ivy_has_common.html#intel-me>Canoeboot provides only the IFD, GbE and BIOS parts. The ME region is skipped, so you leave what’s already there from the factory intact.at least libreboot strips down the intel me to make it not a threat by nuking the minix kernel and just leaving ignition, canoeboot literally leaves the whole fucking thing intact and ignores it hoping the disable bit is enough to protect you (pro tip, it's not cause glowies can still remotely activate it)
>>109370776did you even read what you linked?>On Ivybridge and Sandybridge, there is a second setting applies: ME Soft Temporary Disable. This does the same thing as setting the HAP bit, but without needing to modify the IFD (Canoeboot does that too, on these machines).By “disable after early bringup”, we specifically mean: the ME’s ROMP and BUP modules still run at boot time. These are essentially the ME’s own boot firmware, analogous to coreboot, but other modules like the ME’s kernel and networking stack are dysfunction, and features like AMT are disabled.In other words:The ME initialises itself, and then stops. It’s comparable to running coreboot without a payload. This configuration basically bricks the Intel ME. It’s an intentional feature provided by Intel themselves, which some vendors even offer to customers when they purchase a computer.
>>109370785>pretty pretty please black box of unknown horror don't activateyeah you're a gullible fool
>>109370794you can verify yourself by running a command
>>109362746I also have an x230 and I never did anything like that. Watching HD videos puts the CPU in the 40s for me, or if I watch a bunch of stuff at the same time it will be in the 50s and the fans will start up.
>>109370802>a terminal command is proof that the fully intact black box of unknown horror with -3 ring on your systemboard can't be used by glowiesliterally lmao at how naive you are
>>109370827why would glowniggers leave a backdoor into their own systems?
>>109360884old cars just work, modern cars lock themselves in the middle of a ride because of a firmware update lol
>>109365046/g/ is swarmed by poor people from 3rd world countries, that's why Thinkpad is so popular here.
>>109362743>the H264ify enhanced browser extensionThanks dude.
>>109371185/g/ is swarmed by based Linux users that run an OS that doesn't suck resources like crazy, so yeah a 2010s laptop with 16GB of RAM and an SSD is an absolute beast, meanwhile a Windows 11 computer needs like 32GB of RAM just to run the motherfucker correctly and it's still not as snappy of an experience, that's how old Chinkpad users are so content with their performance.
>>109371185>that's why Thinkpad is so popular here.i live in the third world and nobody can afford even a used thinkpad here
>>109370785I still don't get why anyone would want to leave the full management engine on the machine instead of removing a large part of it with libreboot (me_cleaner in reality).
>>109371261boot guard nigga
>>109360617>and use a WM from the 2000s,There have been no improvements since. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cwm_(window_manager)
>>109360522I set yt to 360p for my 4k 120fps [spoiler] phone [/spoiler] screen
>>109371261xx30 series thinkpads can have canoeboot flashed via software
>>109360459>another poorfag retard makes a thread seeking validation for poorfag hardwareJust like alll the other ghetto garbage trying to boast about their i5-2500k.Why can't these poor pieces of garbage ever just stay quiet? Why must they always bake threads on /g/ boasting about their shit hardware nobody cares about?
>>109372415>not wanting backdoored hardware makes you retardedenjoy getting spied on then
>>109372415>alll the other ghetto garbage trying to boast about their i5-2500kThey kinda do get bragging rights when it comes to how useful their computers still are after all this time, I don't know if you were there, but where was a time where computers became unusable after a pretty short period of time, now it seems like everything has peaked and a computer from 10 years ago is more than good enough for everyday tasks, that's why the Chinkpad general is such a fun place, guys go out and buy a laptop for like $100, throw Linux on that bitch, maybe some more RAM, an SSD if it's old enough to not come with one whatever and get a better experience than buying a cheap ass laptop from the store.
>>109372438>poorfag idiot thinks he can escape surveillance with his shitty old hardware nobody cares aboutYou poor, pathetic piece of trash lol. And your shitty laptop isn't even old enough to not have IME. Sorry idiot, cope more.
>>109372451the ime is disabled, cope and seethe with your backdoored machine
>>109372449>more poorfag copeYou are worthless poor garbage. You are in no position to comment on the state of modern hardware because you're a poor ghetto piece of trash. Know your place.
>>109372453Evidently on top of being poor, you're also incredibly stupid and can't even do the most basic research on how this stuff works.It'll be a good day when you commit suicide The less poor filth on the planet, the better.
>>109372459the alt-me-disable bit works and has been verified as such, cope and seethe more
>>109372453>disabledimagine unironically believing this
>>109372466>i-i-it works! some article i read talking about things i have zero understanding of told me it totally works! i have escaped the botnet, i have beaten the rich people!
>>109372343>xx30 series thinkpads can have canoeboot flashed via softwareYou have done that from the original bios? Seems like its more of a hassle than external flashing. With a good chance it won't work anyway. And your ME region stay locked.https://doc.coreboot.org/mainboard/lenovo/ivb_internal_flashing.html
>>109372472Go easy on him, he's poor. He needs every coping mechanism he can get just to keep living.
>>109372474tell me what libre hardware are you running to make this post then>>109372476yes, it's easy if you do it via ivyra1n
>>109372472>>109372474>>109372478samefag
>>109372481I'm not a poor piece of ghetto garbage like you, I don't go out of my way seeking out coping mechanisms for being poor.
>>109372492>poor idiot doesn't know what samefagging meansBoy it must've sucked growing up in the ghetto.
>>109372502It's real out here
I post on /g/ about a lot of topics, but nothing triggers so much vitriolic hatred and backlash as posting about cool old laptops.There seems to be a club of people who specifically come out of the woodwork to seethe when anything related to cheap, durable, accessible technology that can be easily modded and implanted with open source firmware is brought up.The only conclusion I can arrive at is that it's actual 3-letter agents getting mad and trying to appeal to the lowest possible normalfag arguments (e.g. "you're poor lole") to try to discourage people from having sovereignty over their residential personal computing.
>>109372496so you have a backdoor machine, lmao>>109372496>>109372502>no proof givensamfagging confirmed
>>109372559Just miserable people anon. They can't see other people enjoy THING if it's not THING that they have
>>109360459have a high end pc that demolishes anything I throw at it, but if I'm being honest the most fun I've had is with old laptops/pc's. There's just something really satisfying about being able to tinker around and make something that by all means shouldn't, work in the ways you want it to.
>>109372666>>109372559>>109372703What's it like living in the ghetto?
>>109372742what's its like being the enemy on your own people?
I'm using one right now as my only computer. I love it but it can't run blender or do any modern graphics stuff.
>>109372840>the enemy on>enemy on yourThird-world literacy on full display.
>>109367071>4K av1 or VP9Meme codecs.
>>109372842You can get an older version of autodesk if you want to 3d model.
>>109363629>ThinkLightWe've had backlit keyboards for a while now, retard
>>109360459My x230 doesn't look like that in the slightest. I don't have the colored enter and the tall esc and the fingerprint reader. Is there a different fancier x230? Or maybe it's because I have the britbong version
>>109374071OPs has an x220 keyboard swap. Yours has chiclets right?
>>109373884and they suck compared to thinklights
>>109362236That 1/3 power usage between 3rd and 8th gen isn't nothing, literally makes laptops usable.
>>109360698the battery life on the neo is abhorrent, THOUGH
>>109360522>Can it do [thing you don't care about]?
>>109374234My W510 has a thinklight and that was the most dogshit thing in the world.
Is there any usable laptop with 4:3 or 5:4 screen?
>>109375496I personally wouldn't bother with 4:3/5:4 laptops for how old they are, I could understand preferring them back when a 14 inch 16:9 laptop topped out at like 900P tall, but we're at a point where sub $100 chinkpads like the T470 are less than $100 on the regular and have a 1080P tall screen, also it seems like 16:10 it making a comeback, my mom's work gave her a 14 inch Gen 5 whatever the fuck it's called and it has a 1920x1200 screen, so tallwide is apparently in again which is fucking sick, I've even been seeing brand spanking new Asus ROG gaming laptops with 16:10 and it makes me wanna cry because I thought I'd never see it again, I thought we would just be stuck at either 1080P if it's a 15.6'' laptop or 900P/768P if it's a small boi.
I gave up on my x230, it was getting too slow for my use case, especially in summer. But my w541 is still sailing smoothly.
>>109377590>But my w541 is still sailing smoothlyThose big boi 47w i7s still fuck so hard for how old they are, I like my 15w Ultrabook chips, but those old i7s smoke my dual Kaby lake, and they even beat the i7-8550U that would cost a ton of money if it's a Thinkpad T480 meme machine.
>>109372559>cool laptop>it's just a generic diamond dozen laptop from over a decade ago you sharted some linux distro on
>>109380296For me, the minimum threshold for "cool" is that it's a computer. The more inexpensive and widely available it is, the cooler it is, because of the fact that we have such powerful technology running so easily and abundantly in our society.If you don't feel the same way why are you on /g/? You don't truly love computers I think.
>>109360637>laintrans
>>109369147Make your own battery, faggot
>>109360459white guy tech vs asian / indian tech.
>>109380296>ESL
>>109360522It can using my minimalist youtube extension that filters out all their bullshit for a 96% reduction un GPU usage.
>>109360459Asahi M1 Air better
>>109380772>newfag resorts to his (incorrect) canned insult the second he sees something he doesn't recognize on account of being newWatch out, it's a doggy dog world out there.
>>109380296>it's just a generic diamond dozen laptop from over a decade ago you sharted some linux distro ona random ass laptop with Linux thrown on it is a better experience than a brand laptop at best buy, specs don't mean shit of your software sucks.
>>109383528it's dime a dozen nigger that's what he was insulting you about
>>109383565Newfag.
>buy X1 Yoga Gen 3>every model after got worse and took features away
