In this situation, what would of you done /g/? Obviously it seems like the best solution to have a burner device if you are crossing the US border if you have "sensitive" data. But the fact that is the proposed solution sidesteps that our authorities shouldn't have this power to begin with.
I don't own a phone and I don't leave my house. Checkmate border security.
>>109362557don't bring anything sensitive with me across borders to begin with
>>109362557I wouldn't have set foot in the US to begin with.
>>109362557I thought le free speech protected you from this?
>>109362557You can store encrypted backups on your cloud provider of choice and wipe your phone before crossing the border then restore to a backup at your destination pretty easily. But yes, you shouldn't have to do this and wiping your phone in the presence of border patrol should not (and probably isn't) a crime. >>109362646It should, and perhaps it does. They can claim whatever they want, whether or not they can prosecute let alone convict is a different matter. Are you arguing in bad faith or do you really think that there are countries with stronger speech protection laws than the US?
>>109362557Lmao what kind of retard still uses a cell phone?You know.we.aurvived without them for thousands of years right?
>>109362646You have less rights at the border which is why they can search you to begin with.
>>109362557Step 1: don't enter the USBut if I had to go to that shithole, and I didn't want them to steal my data, the solution is to just not carry that data on my phone. There are a million ways to access data that isn't stored on your phone unless you're tarded
>>109362687yeah women get the ick when they see smartphones
>>109362557>Not have sensitive data stored on a phone>Not passing through totalitarian third-world shitholes>Not acting like a sperg in front of bored ZOGbots>Not having any dank memes saved>Anticipating a security check and wiping everything well BEFORE passing through border security. I did some surface-level research since OP is a reactionary retard and can't be assed to include any links. The individual in question apparently had GrapheneOS installed on his Pixel, and it's assumed that the password he provided to CBP agents to unlock his phone, was a duress password, which is a function of the OS. I can see what his idea was--giving them the password for them to unlock it so that there's "plausible deniability" when it fails to unlock and wipes itself--but that's still a bit of a stretch. I assume the reason he was asked to provide credentials for his devices (Pixel phone and e-reader) was because of the fact that he's an activist. I don't know what kind, and I don't care much about the man himself, just the situation and how it could have (easily) been avoided, whether he was an activist or not. There is, however, always the possibility that any one (or all) of the CPB agents that were processing him and the device were based enough retards that they somehow wiped the phone trying to input the pin (LOL), or that there was a bug in GrapheneOS that somehow wiped everything (LOL LMAO). And everything else is purely circumstantial evidence, including whatever contents he had on his e-reader, which may or may not have been encrypted/password-protected. Attention seems to be solely directed at the fact that he had a Pixel with GrapheneOS, and the fact that it offers a duress password functionality (in conjunction with the fact the phone fucking wiped itself).>https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72009158/united-states-v-tunick/>>109362726Search my gaped anus. I'd hold it open for them, goatse style.
>>109363529>I assume the reason he was asked to provide credentials for his devices (Pixel phone and e-reader) was because of the fact that he's an activist.this nation is so fucked. an American passport should grant you a warm smile and a "welcome back home."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuQqkfS-Ehc
>The incident took place at Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson airport in January 2025, when Tunick was returning from the Dominican Republic. His attorneys say border agents repeatedly demanded access to his phone and told him they did not need a warrant. After a passcode was entered, the screen reportedly went blank, flashed several times, and appeared to restart.>Tunick’s legal team is now trying to have the evidence thrown out. It argues that he was questioned without being read his Miranda rights, that agents repeatedly refused his requests to speak with a lawyer, and that the phone search was an unreasonable seizure. His lawyers also say questions about child sexual abuse material were used as a pretext to investigate his alleged links to the movement opposing Atlanta’s police training center, commonly known as Cop City.I want to see what information CBP has regarding people when they look them up. why the fuck do they get flagged about political activities? where the fuck have we gone wrong?
>>109362557just bring a traveling phone if you're going outside the country. You have little privacy or rights when re-entering the US. >But can't I tell the border patrol to fuck off?No, the US has unlimited physical manpower. You are just a single NEET who does not work out, and will be forced to comply one way or the other when the hordes of zogbots subdue you. >But can't I outsmart them with some cleverness with my phone? I'm much smarter than them, I can program No, the US has unlimited autist manpower. The zogbots ARE stupid, but they will indefinitely hold you in a cell while they deliver your phone to other autists they paid off (glowie cybersecurity devs), and they know every autistic way to get data off your phone. They also have all the manpower they need at their disposal that can strongarm any private US or US-aligned company to give them easy backdoors to your phone, making their job much easier. "Destruction of evidence" is also a crime btw. You have no recourse. Take a burner, try to advocate for more privacy and rights through the legal system (won't work btw, only the rich have any true rights or freedom in the US), and that's all you can do.
>>109363529>>109363688In certain special cases i,e., cases actually involving CSAM or matters of national security, it's better to get charged with destruction of evidence than to get charged with whatever's appropriate for whatever you were up to or hiding.Really makes me curious whether this was just a casualty of some retard being overconfident with his surface-level understanding of "security", and being ignorant of the fact that data destruction is a felony; or if he was actually hiding something worth keeping hidden. Makes me wonder...
>>109362579Based basement dweller
>>109363688>why the fuck do they get flagged about political activitiesThe cop city thing has involved terrorist acts, so it's normal people involved in those affairs are being prosecuted by police, since they caused terror on the local population and caused millions in damages.Still, there's absolutely no reason whatsoever that everyone has to have their rights trampled with just because they look funny and the local CBP wants to make an example out of them.
>>109362653>Are you arguing in bad faith or do you really think that there are countries with stronger speech protection laws than the US?This shouldn't be a speech issue but a privacy and data protection issue. >>109362726No, free speech still exists on the border, there's precedents
>>109362557>accusesWhat violation do they claim?It is not generally illegal to delete stuff from your devices.
Not a burger, and am prepared for law being retarded. But wouldn't they have to prove his phone held the evidence in question? Otherwise what's preventing anyone being convicted over destroying any document ever?>oh he burned this piece of paper before we arrived, must have had evidence of criminal activity
Customs and Immigration ALWAYS has the right to search at points of entry, no other rights apply. By wiping your phone because had CP, etc. you may be charged with a lessor crime, etc. If you're not a US citizen or green card holder and pull a stunt like this, expect to get deported and put on no-fly list (enjoy your SSSS). Customs and immigration can inspect any electronic devices to ascertain the purpose of your visit to the US in this instance. Refusal is grounds for adverse action
>>109362557I don’t visit authoritarian dictatorships as a general rule.
>>109362557if you're a criminal and carry evidence on your body at all times, you're a fucking retard.
>>109366310if he has an American passport, then no searching should be performed. little rule diddling boy, the constitution is clear and the judges are retarded.
>>109362582spbp /threadThe only correct answer.
>>109362557wiped phone pre-crossing -> wiping phone after crossing -> restoring with data is standard practice to prevent industrial espionage, even dinky companies with fuck all IP do thisit just werks, no need to fuck with bored law officers who are dying to pin something on you
>>109367751>le constitutionthe only amendment that's still in effect is the second one, mostly because people who like this one in particular hoard guns like it's the zombie apocalypsethe rest might as well be toilet paper
Why are they searching his phone?
Is this going to be the "I smell weed" of the mid 2020s?
>>109362582government infringes on your freedom at X time, Y place or in Z context>I simply avoid X time, Y place or Z context!
>>109370292Your rights are most relevant in the country you were born in. Anywhere else, you are but a guest protected by some international treaties that can be sidestepped if necessary. Coming back to your own country, you're treated as an unknown variable, be it for good or bad reasons.The transition points were always the most dangerous.
>>109370348>freedom>rightsTwo entirely seperate thing. Rights are a cheap replacement a government grants you in exchange for or after taking your freedom.Your assessement is also legally incorrect. Most jurisdictions grant certain rights to either everyone or nationals or foreigners. >Being treated analoguous to foreigner when entering home country is just fine.Please go away.
>>109370371I don't care about your wishes, it's simply the reality of the situation. Go protest or something if it bothers you so.
>>109362726hilarious they don't mind having like 50 million illegal spics hopping over undocumented entirely but if some canadian or European wants to go for a vacation it's full gestapo search of their entire lifelong history. America is a pile of shit
>>109370409Where have I mentioned any wish?I have merely informed you that you are wrong about most if not all jurisdictions laws.Go back to africa please.
>>109367784People have been saying they will deny you entry for this you have to wipe it like 6 weeks before and have a bunch of sanitized phone use history
>>109363688These days it could be pretty much anything. Noncitizens can be detained for hours for secondary screening because they retweeted a meme about someone in the regime photoshopped wearing a funny twirly propeller hat. Green card holders can have their green cards canceled because they said genocide is bad once. Citizens can be sent to third world dungeon prisons because they were brown and got on the wrong DHS guy's bad side. Welcome to America being Great Again.Of course any of these people will be branded "material support to terrorists" or "enemy combatants" or "pedophiles" at the convenience of whoever feels like replying to the lamestream media at this point (anyone? I think they canceled all the traditional press briefings anyway)
>>109370463okay, fantasies then. go run into reality head first and you'll find yourself sprawled on the pavement
>>109362557Print out a paper ticket, put your phone in your checked bag, and bring a chink emulation handheld onboard for entertainment. Why the hell do you need your phone, especially if you don't pay for their shit satellite service
Most of you itt are retarded and don't know how to read. >>109366251>It is not generally illegal to delete stuff from your devicesNo, but it is illegal to delete/destroy something (evidence) when it's requested by law enforcement as part of an active investigation; that's a felony. As for why they were investigating him, either it was a random stop (he just looked suspicious; he looked ethnic), or they did so as a result of his activist activities. In the latter case, there are two possibilities; either he was flagged during processing due to something illegal he must've done during a protest/demonstration (likely assault or property damage), or CBP agents were given orders from higher up to fuck with him for his involvement. If it's the latter case, then by spilling his spaghetti, he just gave the powers that be an in to rape him with the full weight of the law.
>>109362653>do you really think that there are countries with stronger speech protection laws than the US?someone unironically believes this kek
>>109362726>believing government propagandaYou have less rights when you don't spread your cheeks faggot
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>>109362646>>109366225Not the first, but the 4th
>>109362557I'm waiting to see how this turns out because if the data is "property" many things will have to change.
Respect is a two way street, why do you expect the police to play fair when Cop City destroys police property? The process is the punishment in this case. As for this case it's cut and dry destruction of evidence. Just because you're unlawfully held doesn't mean you get a free pass to commit crime. This group clearly has no respect for the laws and is willing to destroy government property. I have no clue why people are defending them.In answer to your question OP I don't associate with criminal groups. I don't post bail for criminals I don't assault officers or their property, because I'm sane and not sick in the head.
>>109362557Put all sensitive data on the SD card, put that in a tiny bag, and swallow it before crossing the border. You just have to mash your shits for the next few days to get it back.
>>109362557They can lodge all us constitution violating accusations with my lawyer. He'd love to hear about them.
>>109371899It's the only country without thought crimes and most forms of speech is tolerated. At the same time it does have some police state tendencies.
>land of the free
>>109370504BasedThey deserve it for wanting to live in the US, if its so shit why even go there, retards
>>109362557Is there a risk where they could claim anything was there as evidence?For example>You deleted the files on your device therefore it was entirely possible that you had explicit child molestation videos and thus will be punished for it.
>>109366988Cum-guzzling bootlicker retard. Having grapheneos and wrongthink opinions doesnt make you a criminal. And if it does, you live under tyranny
>>109370466>American passport should grant you a warm smile and a "welcome back home."lol>>109363688They have had no-flight lists for political reasons for a really long time and no you can't check if you're on it buy you will know when they harass the shit out of you every flight.>>109370504>Citizens can be sent to third world dungeon prisons because they were brown and got on the wrong DHS guy's bad side.Not trueWhat is true is that the idea that TSA can now audit your digital and online activity is insane.>>109371664>No, but it is illegal to delete/destroy something (evidence) when it's requested by law enforcement as part of an active investigation; that's a felony.But there is no reason to believe there was evidence, there's no real investigation, and it's not real law enforcement.>>109373292Constitution doesn't matter at the border.>>109371899>>109374673Most other countries do have infringements to free speech in the terms of hate speech.But in the US, you do not have your freedoms at the border or at an airport.In the US you can be charged with destruction of evidence just for deleting something while there was an investigation. They can just make something up and if you delete something they dont have to show that you really did a crime. In better countries, they have to prove the crime and that the evidence was connected to it.They also can't demand to go through your digital devices just because like the US can.They also don't really have secret "no fly" lists.
>>109362632I wouldn't either. But according to the title it's about an "American" (I guess they mean US American).
>>109362557>Guilty until proven innocent>B-b-but I wiped my phone. All the evidence is gone>Then I guess there's no way to prove your innocence. You go to jail by default.Do people really think this is how it works?Would people really allow this to happen if it did?
>>109362653>You can store encrypted backups on your cloud provider of choice and wipe your phone before crossing the border then restore to a backup at your destination pretty easily.Nope. And it's no that simple, with iphones you need to buy enough icloud to store the backup, upload it, wipe and hope it lets you make a new apple account (probably need another phone number)...>are countries with stronger speech protection laws than the US?There are few countries as tyrannical at the border as the US, is his point.Also >>109370466 is right. You need a plausible usage history, social media, etc.
>>109376355That is US federal law, anon.Of course it's not "jail by default", nothing is, but they don't have to prove that there was a crime or that the reason they were (Or were not, but were "about to") investigate(ing) you was justified.All they need to prove is that you destroyed data with the intent to obstruct or influence the matter/investigation.