>be you, boomer computer scientist at IBM in 1960s>got hired right out of college, they paid you to get a masters from stanford, you didn't even have to apply>work at bell labs, help invent the transistor>work at IBM, help invent the mainframe computer>work at apple, help revolutionize personal computing>every company you're at is constantly innovating, making new cutting edge products that change the world>get paid well and your company actually cares about you>never laid off>have a 40 year career, become a millionaire>retire and work as a professor or something because you're bored>be me, zoomer "software engineer" in 2020s>graduate with a 4.0 from state school>horrible job market, nobody wants to hire americans, only h1bs>even if you do get hired, all work is complete slop>bell labs broken up, no longer an engineering company, entire company is marketing phone plans to people>IBM doesn't make computers anymore, instead does vauge cloud/ai buzzword consulting slop>apple starts producing overpriced phones and computers with existing technology instead of pushing the envelope>all software development is web development now. even windows start menu coded in react native.>most startups and new companies revolve around the idea of scamming people or griftingIt's like sometime in the 1980s or 90s someone was like "okay that's enough, no more cracked american EEs writing all the code. we have enough technology now, bring in the indians!" and it's all been slop ever since.
First time learning about Ronald Reagan, huh?
>>109364237Was it him? I feel like Clinton did a lot of damage too.
1960s was a pivotal decade.A lot of foundational CS stuff happens.But also the decade where governments and other rogue powers decide to really start fucking up the social fabric and permanently hobbling progress.
>>109364255I mean seriously. People rave about how we need to be hiring labor from overseas because the people in the east are so smart and americans are so dumb. But then you stop and think about it and like, every major breakthrough in computing was done by some white guy from a middle class home in the US or Europe.
>>109364231bring in mexicans and guatemalans to take the jobs from working class americans>yay!>bring in desperate indian codemonkeys that take jobs from the middle class>what the fuck!Lmao
>>109364312One works hard and makes good food. The other doesn't.
>>109364328So you'd be okay with losing your job to someone who worked hard and made good food?
What if guys like Larry Tesler could see what happened with AI, he passed away in 2020 at age 74. Or Doug Englebart and Paul Allen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ZLtVYWMV0
>>109364336I didn't lose my job to them since I don't work the fields. Well not directly anyways, I do crop dusting during the spring and summer when I have time since it pays really well and is way more fun than my normal flying.
>>109364312Only rich boomers and j*ws cheered for immigrant workers
>>109364312i mean i never said that was good either...>>109364328also this, at least south american immigrants pretend to be patriotic. a bunch of them voted for trump lol.
>>109364353ANON. STOP NOTICING THIS INSTANT!!
>>109364328true, I like white food
>>109364353God's cursed people, remember when Jesus cursed the jews and said that rich boomers have it really hard to enter heaven?
he warned you, and you did not listen, notice how six of your complaints are about actual technology being dogshit, you are also flawed in the sense that back then there was lots of things to do or discover, theres hardly anything new that can be done these days without massive investment and it will end up being used in the most awful way probably (see AI), also why are you literally comparing yourself with the people who invented the transistor or X big thing?? you got sold on the idea every that student ends up being tony stark after graduation or some shit? lol, ..keep believing your infinite improvement myth.
>>109364464>theres hardly anything new that can be done these days without massive investmenti disagree. and the same thing was true for all of those previous advancements i mentioned.ai cost money because of hardware, not necessarily because the underlying technology required it. openai was originally a team of what, like 20 people? Ilya Sutskever led most of the development iirc.and you act like previous advancements like the internet, transistors, and personal computing didn't require massive hardware investment too. you do realize that most of that stuff was rooted in US government defense contracts, right? ffs mainframe computers were so expensive that IBM wouldn't even sell them, you were typically only allowed to lease them.>also why are you literally comparing yourself with the people who invented the transistorbecause they were like me? they were mostly middle class white guys (key word, mostly). when i went to college there were many such cases of professors that worked at bell labs or something right out college, didn't really even apply, they got recruited, and then worked on some cutting edge technology like dial up in the 80s right out the gate.these technologies were not created by one single guy like elon or tony stark, they were created by teams of everyday engineers that had salt of the earth upbringing from across america. instead, nowadays tech companies largely ignore the flyover markets, hire mostly from the coasts and overseas, and then on top of that the work you do is slop.
>>109364231You think that boomer had his education subsidized by the government in literally one fourth of the amount that a zoomer or millennial did? Most C.S. majors would have never passed middle school in the 50s simply because the tax money wasn't there to put them through it.You're not smart, you're just government educated to lower the wages of your betters.
>>109364511>You think that boomer had his education subsidized by the governmentno? i just think it was cheaper. because it literally was. college used to be cheaper than it was now, even adjusting for inflation.>You're not smart, you're just government educated to lower the wages of your betters.did you write this reply with ai or something. very saar coded.
>>109364328Mexicans cut corners all the time. Do not buy a house built within the last 10 years.
>>109364519You misunderstand just how low on the social ladder you really are.https://youtu.be/dnJLoPkmyco?
>>109364560Are you suggesting I would've been a sharecropper in the 1960s? All four of my grandparents went to college and held white collar jobs lol.
>>109364601that's not you though.
>>109364231Eh, people aren't getting hired overseas either.
>>109364231All science fields/sub fields follow S curve. >At the start some genius invents the field, >Lots of easy discoveries to be made and every year something new in the field happens shaping future history.>Every easy and obvious thing gets discovered, problems become harder to spot and harder to figure out, innovation slows downAlso there was plenty of innovation and still is. From 80s to 2010s there was massive improvements to the hardware, videogames got invented and became realistic looking and the internet had plenty of real discoveries up until at least 2005 or 2010 after which it was mostly applying existing discoveries. Now the new frontier is AI in tech, but zoomers can’t get into that because AI requires significantly more in compute compared to work required. Also internet was not actively automating internet developers away, but you can’t say the same with AI and it’s impact on the whole tech sector and beyond.
>>109364511Most CS grads wouldn’t pass today’s middle school without relearning everything in class because you forget 90% of school curriculum that isn’t related to your job or interests. Look at your old homework and ask yourself if you could do it now with A+.
>>109364719>zoomers can’t get into that because AI requires significantly more in compute compared to work requiredyou also typically need a PhD or at least a masters to be doing real AI research. i'm sure openAI and google will hire certain undergrads but the vast majority of people doing real ai development have a PhD with a specialization in the field, which is incredibly expensive and takes a lot of time.
>>109364231crapple has been jeet slop since day 1
>>109364759Yes, also AI research is incredibly centralised. You have Google deepmind, OpenAI, Anthropic, xAI and then whatever Meta is doing as the only real land with enough AI researchers, and each of them has like 300 jobs max involving AI research. Each of their respective companies have thousands in web developers and IT. AI boom in terms of jobs is nothing even close to any software bubble.
>>109364276Not every major breakthrough was done by a white guy, and those white guys have nothing do with you. You don't magically become competent and industrious just for being white. That's just woo-woo nonsense.
>>109364876>Not every major breakthrough was done by a white guyyeah you're right it was only like 99.9% of them my bad.noo saaar india is global leader in computing resource.
>>109364885That's just in the past, all of the easy stuff.
>>109364231i would have loved to work at bellno kikes, ever, despite being in NYC> ff to antitrust hearing> (((judge))) says you must break up> spin off the labs into lucent> kikes everywhere now
>>109364231>(((someone)))
>>109364876ok one jeet had one optimization algorithm. contrast that with literally everything else in telecommunications from the 20th century
There is no going back, the best you can hope for is collapse, and the system later be reconfigured to resemble the winning system (china)
>>109364231>be a computer nigga>becoming an adult just as ai is taking off>all knowledge imaginable at the cost of three cups of coffee a month>easier than ever to start your own business as you can do the work of a whole small team by yourself, for $200/moAside from silly property prices there hasn’t been a better time ever
>>109364876Normal distribution
>>109365838>there hasn’t been a better time everNeolithic?
>>109365856You can go live in a cave now, if you want to
>>109366136I can't because human societies don't let you live the life of a neolithic hunter gatherer.
>>109364276They just were more skilled than you will ever be. They didn't even have calculators when they were in the school..Dumbass.
>>109364237>>109364242https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_systemhttps://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
>>109364328> muh tacos
