I first got a zsa moonlander, which was a big mistake, very bulky and the red thumb buttons made me angry, very ugly thing. Then I got the zsa voyager, on which I'm typing right now actually.Typing on the voyager is overall a very good experience, buttttttttI can't really explain it, but I'll try my best to do so.... somehow split keyboards just irritate me, maybe it's the way they look, they way they somehow make your desk look like a mess (especially the f'n cables! lord!) and also even though I am the only person looking at it, I feel as if it doesn't match with how I perceive myself. It looks like a contraption for the infirm, and the extremely nerdy. I just don't really see myself that way, although I'm big on ergonomics.So I considered going back to a regular keyboard. A nice clean looking one without wires and without funky design. Something that you would see on the desk of a serious person, not gale bettinger.Can anyone relate and has anyone gone through this process? Please let me know.
I never had a split-kb but I previously got myself an ergo kb and later went back to typing on a laptopI realised that your habits matter more than your hardwareLook at your posture, look at your wrist position. You can either change them, or add ergo-crutches to "fix" whatever issues you have without actually fixing anything
>>109366120even if they did fix something, I feel it's not worth sacrificing your self respect
i got a trackball and im considering getting an alyexpress fake charrybird. some key combos are hard now because of the left handed trackball. say super+scroll etc. not sure if will help me. i also find it annoying moving my hand off the mouse. when filling forms and stuff so im thinking getting thge trackball on the right side of the keyboard for fine movements when typing and kjeeping the standalone on the left for other shit
>>109366139all these weird paraphernalia will eat away at how you perceive yourself, one day you will wake up and recognize you hate what you've become
>>109366143man the trackball has been nice as fuck. i didn't get it for some bs ergo but because i was too lazy to clean up my desk and use a regular mouse . i use it on the left because as a left handed person i never felt comfortable using a mouse on the left, but with the ball, i am home.but yeah im, doubting split shit keyboards. i just use microsoft office keyboards
>>109366060>although I'm big on ergonomics.then just get a wireless split? I got mine on ali for $75, with type-c recharging. something like picrel but in black
>>109366172you're missing the point of the thread. It's about bigger things than ergonomics, it's about human dignity and not losing it
>>109366060I've been on kinesis advantage 2 since they started making them, I'll never go back
>>109366382>kinesis advantage 2>500$yeah not
>>109366391Oh i just get mine for free from my company with a doctors note for RSI accommodation
>>109366060I kinda want to get an alice keyboard. I wouldn't use an actual split keyboard because I would lose the convenience of typing with one hand while I eat snacks or drink coffee while doing something unimportant.
>especially the f'n cables! lord
>>109366804Angling it arms inward to type makes zero ergonomic sense
>>109366832i don't get it
>>109366804I have the Q8 Pro, which is very similar but with less keys. It took about a week to get accustomed to the space bars and to stop accidentally hitting one of the special keys. It rarely happens now. The only thing I really dislike is that the ESC key is next to the 1 key, making it very easy to accidentally hit. The layout you posted puts ESC on the function row, which avoids the problem.
>>109366060I used an Ergodox for a few years at home for wrist issues from a lot of computer use but I used a laptop at work with its keyboard. Was not really a fan of how bulky the Ergodox was with its cabling and although I was 99% used to the ortholinear keys and layout, that 1% of operating friction was annoying. Aesthetically I always liked human-centered design versus designs that are purely aesthetic e.g. knobs and buttons in cars rather than touchscreens. Even then, QWERTY is kind of unergonomic and when I switched to DVORAK for a while (RIP JCD), while it was superior from an ergonomic view it wasn't practical.That said I use a Razer Joro (though I think I would prefer a Logitech MX Mini because Razer software still stinks and the Logitech layout seems a little more logical) because it's a thin keyboard that helps reduce wrist flex when combined with the wrist rests from the Ergodox while at the same time looks a lot less bulky. Hopefully I won't have to bust out the Ergodox again but I'm keeping it in case.
>>109366925It prevents ulnar deviation, actually. You can type on it and keep your wrists straight. You would have to do the same thing with a split keyboard if you were keeping both halves directly in front of you instead of shoulder-width apart.>>109367039I always bind capslock to escape, anyway.
>>109366132>I feel it's not worth sacrificing your self respectThis. I started using a split mechanical keyboard at work and all I got were laughs from everybody. Switched to a Microsoft Ergo keyboard and now nobody looks twice. It's all in the perception of the thing.
>>109367139holy shit, someone actually got the point of the thread
Let me guess, you need more?
>ppl laughed at me :(>ppl got the wrong impression of me>except they didn't because i'm just in my room aloneYou are a lot more self-conscious than is warranted here. You're inventing perceptions someone might have about you, and then letting that decide how you have your room set up.It's just a keyboard. It has no connection to human dignity or self respect. Dignity is not downstream from keyboard form factor.
>>109366060>It looks like a contraption for the infirm, and the extremely nerdy. autism ass autistic ass autismal what 0 pussy does ass cringe shit
>>109367709lol this shit doesn't look very stable
>>109367139this is truly a great compromise. There's a reason he looks happy
>>109367692>Dignity is not downstream from keyboard form factor.fuck off shill, there is dignity in orthodoxy
https://www.bulsuk.com/2025/09/alternatives-to-sculpt-ergonomic-keyboard.html
>>109367838Shill for what? The concept of a split form factor keyboard? All the split keyboard companies pooled into a fund to pay me to come and post here. You caught me.It's not dignified to define yourself by such a meaningless thing as a keyboard. I assume you must have some more important things in your life to define yourself by.
dactyl 4x6 my beloved
>>109368758how can you have that on your desk and still maintain self respect?
>>109367709holy fucking chit that's me! so glad I ditched that gay ass keyboard
>>109366060Might wanna check out the Go60 which can be used without any cables at all. Very clean and low profile.
>>109369129>Very clean and low profile.are you shitting me? this thing looks huge and like it belongs in a handicapped parking spot
>>109369079by not being embarrassed about what I like
>>109369175in other words by not having self respect
>>109369181people don't think about you as much as you think they do
>>109367658LessYou just need 1's and 0's tab and enter
>>109369189they don't need to think about me a lot to see my keyboard and think what a fucking loser for life
>>109369212all you need is a smartphone
>>109369223>see my keyboard and think what a fucking loser for lifeWho the fuck does this? What kind of bottom of the barrel retards do you know?
>>109369294normal people will definitely think you're worthless incel if you use one of those weird contraptions
>heh yeah this is ergonomic superior productivity>but lets ignore 40 years of universally established gui/tui application navigation patterns by removing single key access for page down, page up, home, end, f1-12, |, del, prtsc like i irreversibly removed my penis my name is luna alice emily kids out in the public point fingers at me i havent spoken to my parents in 5 years
>>109369325I don't understand
>>109369353most of the keyboards in the images itt are impractical abominations for product aesthetic reasons with missing common keys substituted with having to hold fn modifiers or toggle weird switch button modes that makes autistic people think they're doing something elegant and smart through being preoccupied with something
i know this is bait but lets play along>OP the transgender woman, has been using a computer peripheral for two years now and is insecure on whether it matches xher personality or not and so requests help from anonymous nerds online make sure to match your nail polish with the color of you car, don't want to give xisters the ick !
>>109367709Has anyone ever tried putting keys on 2 breasts?
>>109366060Imagine having a crisis of image over the keyboard in your neet cavePathetic doesn't even describe it
>>109369397what keyboard would you recommend me? want a real good quality keyboard without looking like a fucking nerd
>>109369628don't act all high and mighty because I face my problems
>>109368758>no F row>pretentious hiragana on keycaps for an input method even natives don't useick
>>109369648corsair k55 with the rgb turned off.
>>109369872>corsair k55>gaming keyboad>wiredyeah no, I want something thats is more executive looking
>>109369910Okay, then your options are nerd keyboards. If you're not going to get a keyboard with on-board memory and reprogrammable keys just buy a $10 keyboard from walmart.
>>109369918the ZSA voyager that I'm using now has good programmability, the only thing that I hate about it is the fucking wires and the worthless top row which I don't use and is just bloat
>>109369971All of your available options will make you look like more of a nerd than you already do.
>>109367111>I always bind capslock to escape, anyway.What do you bind to capslock? Backspace?Think I might simply switch Home and ESC.
>>109367658I need th n,i,g,e and r keys
>>109369997escapeI change the capslock key to escape, and escape is still escape. I don't use capslock.
>>109369992disgusting, I don't want that, I want an executive style full style keyboard of top tier quality
>>109370055Sounds like you want to waste your money on aesthetic features just like gamers. Good luck messing up a k55 in an office or even using it to it's full potential.
>>109370078This would be perfect if it was completely black or completely white
>>109370084What's executive about it? The color gray?
my colleague uses this one, it looks pretty neat, but maybe it sucks to type on
>>109370084>"I don't want to look like a nerd.">Only wants nerd keyboards.
>>109370105I was gonna say something about logitech, but I'm not familiar with their current lineup.
>>109370105my colleague is a pretty respectable guy, I'm sure he's a huge nerd deep down, but he keeps that shit bottled up out of sight
>>109370114it's true, but autists won't agree
now also available with low profile mechanical keys.
>>109370179The fact that the function row indicated that it's back-lit is really the only thing it has going for it. If I'm going to care that much about how my keyboard looks, I might as well wear lipstick and start talking like a woman. Standard, full-size, normal profile keyboards with abs plastic are good enough, but I do like keyboards with extra keys to the left, like the k55, the g15, and some keychrons, so I can have up and down arrow keys for my left hand and have shift-tab on one key.
>>109370222>If I'm going to care that much about how my keyboard looks, I might as well wear lipstick and start talking like a woman.the height of mental illness right here
>>109370222>it's back-lit is really the only thing it has going for itwhat are you, 5 ? who the fuck turns back lighting on, the only thing it does is drain the battery and show you're a noob
>>109370282I view it as the equivalent of buying a stiletto hammer instead of a 24 oz with a wooden handle.>>109370294I use it in the dark. My keyboard moves around my desk depending on how I feel like sitting at it, and I'd rather not feel around like I'm blind.
>>109370084Would it kill keyboard makers to include those little caps and num lock lights?
>>109370375who the fuck uses a keyboard in the dark
>>109370391Me at 3 am.
>>109370416are you so poor you cant turn on a light bulb?
>>109370421I don't want to. The only reason I'd have to turn the lights on is if I can't see the keyboard in my peripheral vision. I use a full size, and only my right hand stays perpendicular to the keyboard. Without light from the keyboard, I need a to turn a light on so I'm not missing the keys I need when I go from the mouse back to the keyboard. I keep my mouse straight out from my left hand. I spend half of the time on my computer lazily slouched in my chair, sitting with the lower half of my back.
$25 for an IKEA LAGERGÅNG light. Attaches to the top of your monitor, lights up your keyboard. The rest of your grimdark existence is unaffected.
>>109370537I already have a desk lamp like a normal person, and I don't like using it if I don't have to. But of course, you're recommendation is some gay fancy light that attaches to my screen.
>>109370558>Ikea>$25>fancyPoorfag detected
>>109370583The fact that it attaches to the monitor for no good reason is what makes it fancy. It's fancy because there's extra convolution vs a normal lamp. Fancy doesn't mean expensive.
did anyone ask?
>>109368758That's a 5x7 though. Also why are you posting a pic of someone else's board?
I tried split but find I don't like not being able to span one hand across all the keys. Before trying split I tested it with two full keyboards and that was better than split. It's probably a good use for 65% keyboards.
>>109370778I bought my 4x6 from that anon and he takes better pics than I do>>109370829Yeah, it falls apart when typing with one hand
>>109369141most of that is the optional palm rest, which can be removed. the keyboard itself looks like this.glove80 is better for most usecases btw
>>109370179I'm going to buy this one. But I want the ANSI layout, in Europe they only have the ISO layout, which fucking pisses me off. Need to figure out how to import an ANSI one from the USA
I like my split because it opens my chest up
>>109366060what's some decent cheap backlit keyboard that has media buttons? hopefully something low noise, not noisier than cherry brown switches at leastmembrane acceptable I guess
>>109366060Only you can sacrifice your self-respect. I've been using a split keyboard for a while and just about the only thing that would be nice is a good place to put a mouse. I don't think I can go back, just because most monobody keyboards aren't ortholinear or they're too small.>>109367139>Picture from 10+ years ago>Using 10+ year-old office ergonomic equipmentThis is the equivalent to a modern split keeb, dual monitor Linux setup.>>109367838There is zero dignity in orthodoxy, you are just LARPing a persecution complex.>>109367709>Extreme tenting angle with two plates that are clearly intended to be screwed into something, so they just constantly wobble and need to be delicately fondled to stay in place. No wrist support either.>Vertical mouse on a slope, combining two solutions to the same thing to create something that does less than nothing>>109369079Confidence.>>109370084>Staggered typewriter rows>Perfect
>>109366060this is unironically the best keyboard i've ever used.6ish years now.
>>109366060>It looks like a contraption for the infirm, and the extremely nerdy.>although I'm big on ergonomics.
>>109366060I just settled years ago for a 40% non-split ortho board. It looks small enough and aesthetically pleasant (pure black). And then use it in a split layout made in VIAL.
>>109366060I'm using the exact keyboard in that image, actually, a Kinesis Freestyle 2. They're nothing special (no QMK, membrane keyboard), but I'd recommend it to anybody that just wants to try out a split keyboard that isn't meme shit with a bunch of layers, but also doesn't want to spend much on something they aren't sure is actually going to fix their issues. Since Kinesis is a name brand in ergo keyboards, tons of wagies buy 'em (or get them through their company), try em out, and sell em for cheap (you can find them as office surplus too, I'm sure). I got a Freestyle 2 with the accessory kit (which would normally cost $150) for $40 that looked like it was unused, still in the original packaging and everything.Personally, it helped the major wrist pain issues I had using a normal keyboard. The pain on the outside of my right hand flared up a bit when I switched to it, but I think once my hands got used to it that went away too.
>>109373373>"Extreme tenting angle with two plates that are clearly intended to be screwed into something, so they just constantly wobble and need to be delicately fondled to stay in place. No wrist support either."What do you think these recesses are for?
>>109370016Yes, I need keys for ENGINEERING letters too.
>>109366060it's a godsend for tall/large people. being able to have my arms extended naturally forward and have the keys right there is how it should be. the thumbcluster, having a few options besides space for your most agile digit is a warm welcome as well.the only thing i truly miss and required more effort than i thought, is using the keyboard as a toolbox for lets say photoshop. a flat full keyed keyboard like the old apple aluminium was great, where you slide your fingers blindy over the letters, knowing where everything is. impossible on a split or even comfortably on most mechanical keyboards.i have a long cable between both parts, which means i can extend them straight towards the back of my desk. this means no cable horizontally between them.
UHK60.>these niggers still havent released a columnar versionthe only thing stopping me from getting a UHK80 and even then im tempted to get one just to fuck all cables off
>>109369181backwards. you obviously lack self-respect and it shows in how you react to your own desk and in your lack of confidence. listen to yourself, it's pathetic
>>109369792umm actually those are katakana desu
>>109367709I'm not a woman but this autistic setup gives me the ick.
>>109386077if you were to make it look like you were putting your hand into a tunnel it would look better if not a bit more mysteriousthe whole point of these special keyboards is to type faster with less strain on the hands and part of typing is not having to look at the keyboard so hiding it in an aesthetic way seems to be a great way to making this not look nerdy
In case anyone was waiting for 'em, zeal clickies are back on preorder right now.
I really do want to try this keyboard.
>>109366120This is the final redpill, the best posture is one that you change regularly
>>109380304lol
Here's a tip I've found incredibly useful, ask:"What is the long term gain of going out of the standard."For example, i thought 2 monitors would "increase productivity", it is a non-standard approach - it never increased anything other than visual distractions. (this would be different if you were a student or need reference material)I thought going keto would make me healthier, it helped me lose >40kg but it wasn't maintainable and added a lot of friction, what's the standard diet for losing weight? Before people started basically lying on youtube videos for ad revenue it was cut out the fat and walk more, found it very easy to maintain with next to no fat + walking, near 0 friction, I'm lighter than I've ever been. (no fat + walking is what professional body builders do for contest prep, so it works)I've been dabbling with Linux for 20 years, but what have i always received for going out of the standard? Friction. I'm not a "tinkerer" and just want a stable system that doesn't break in weird ways - turns out windows IoT LTSC is perfect for that. (and the previous branches stretching back to 2016 LTSB).What's the long term gain for a split keyboard? That when you're typing it is >5%~ more efficient/faster? Now you're probably saddled with a higher entry cost, higher repair cost, a little bit of worry niggling at the back of your mind, non-standard drivers, compatibility?I bought a mech keyboard in 2015~ because i wanted increased reliability in keystrokes (because i was going fucking balls to the wall in OSRS and wanted tick-perfect 16 hour sessions), it's still good today. Just something to consider and a few examples. Sometimes the standard is fine.
>>109370856if the glove80 had an integrated trackball i would be the happiest man on the planet
Redpill me on the 8bitdo keyboardlooks nice
>>109389108Redpilling would be saying it's consumer slop meant to extract tokens you've acquired (fiat currency) in exchange for the only valuable asset you posses, time, and that you're an idiot for being a consumer.Bluepilling would be, looks neat and retro, have fun!
>>109389130yeah well that happens when you deconstruct most things, its all dumb time wastingdon't tell me you eat your food with spices
>>109389150There are extractors and generators. You can extract tokens for time, or you can spend time to generate.I can generate spices while under my own agency with complete control of my time. You cannot do the same with a consumer good, like that keyboard.
>>109366804do it. alice boards are kino
>>109369325kek>>109369353oh yes you do
>>109366060Sorry but I just can't relate to someone who is so insecure that he can't even enjoy things in the privacy of his own home without thinking about how it would make him look in public. You don't need a new keyboard you need a psychiatrist.
>>109366060foid-brained post
