Are these intellectuals right? They say right now researchers can barely stop Ai from going rogue. ( AI has hacked into unauthorized servers and lied to their operators) They say if someone creates a smarter than human AI, it would be more dangerous than a nuclear weapon and could wipe out humanity if it went rogue. They say we need to treat advanced AI like nuclear weapons and have international treaties.
an AGI just flew past my house
>>109382769>china says it can now make ram and how their models -- having been developed on less ram up until this point -- will benefit more from this than western ai>every other company except openai abruptly insists that open-weight is the future>out of nowhere they go "omg you guys look we're barely contianing it... wait you want proof? uhhhhhh... i--it... it isn't safe to dude just trust me"pathetic.
Well if you let software tasked with a job and then either intentionally or by mistake let it run outside certain containers, of course it could do a lot of damage.What these AI yappers are usually talking about is the old scary scifi bullshit story about superhuman AI that is sentient and hates humanity and blablablaWhereas what OpenAI did with the latest 'hacking event' was create the conditions for it to go rogue on purpose so they could feed this story to the media and use the fearmongering to keep the hype and stocks on fire
>>109382769>hyper-capitalists with their head so far up their ass that they believe the world is actually a meritocracy think that being smarter means you "win"Meanwhile America's favourite pastime is electing senile morons for president.
>>109382769The far bigger danger is societal collapse imo which at this rate looks like what we’re in for.Our current society is structured around profit. If we can then produce a machine that can do literally every task you can do except cheaper and faster, and to at least a similar or greater degree of quality, then the profit motive dictates you are a net negative to society, and we would be better off without you existing. So it seems direct conflict between the upper class and everyone else is all but inevitable on the current path. This will be a danger far sooner than ASI will.
>>109383127And no you cannot just save enough money at your office job to “escape the permanent underclass,” lol. A millionaire is just as useless as you will be as a vagrant because a machine can do every single thing the millionaire does too, and trillionaires won’t even bother to consider a serious distinction between someone with 0.0001% of their net worth and 0.000001% of their net worth. These are incentives which all but force society into absolute top of the upper class against everyone else, and they don’t even trust each other, and military is disproportionately lower class males hoping to improve their lives, so if anything, the leaders of the AI companies should really think carefully about why it is historically that the upper classes are almost always the ones to get wiped out during collapses.
>>109383176>military is lower class menYeah, for now. Thanks to Ukraine and Iran soldiers will get replaced by drones and this drone replacement will happen sooner then we build enough robots to cover all manual labour, because a military drone is easier to build then robot digging ditches.
What did Yudkowsky say to Nate and Dave to be let out of the box?
>>109382769>Intellectuals>utter garbage statements with vague backingIt's either Limited comprehension or baitEither way, lost of credibility in my eyes.Not worth mentioning nor taking into any account.
>>109382780My balls have more AGI in them than the world class LLMAnd that's unironically true; ask your ballorogist.
>>109383309Ballorogist here, you are wrong. Your cum can approach AGI only when it comes in contact with an egg.
>>109383127>Our current society is structured around profit. If we can then produce a machine that can do literally every task you can do except cheaper and faster, and to at least a similar or greater degree of quality, then the profit motive dictates you are a net negative to society, and we would be better off without you existing.>So it seems direct conflict between the upper class and everyone else is all but inevitable on the current path. This will be a danger far sooner than ASI will.That's a good thing though. There are two ways this will end, one with the government caving in and giving everyone gibs, or two with current government having their heads put on pikes (in minecraft) and the new government giving everyone gibs. Look at history: when industrial revolution rendered traditional peasant agricultural economy obsolete they've either murdered their landowners or the landowners emancipated them so they wouldn't be killed. And nobility's rule over peasants was way, way more established than mega corporations enjoying breaking down of anti-trust for the past 30 years.
>>109382769>Are these intellectuals right?lmao
>>109383411I don’t agree, and I think there are also more possibilities. The first issue is that collapses typically do result in better outcomes for the lower classes, but over long time scales. Over short time scales, the lower classes also get fucked up. The upper class gets annihilated sometimes in a way the lower class typically doesn’t, but in the short term, both suffer immensely, usually.I do agree it’s probably a good thing this system gets its shit pushed in but that doesn’t mean the journey there isn’t a huge danger to literally everyone.
>>109383597Should’ve written that more clearly, I mean I don’t agree with that being the description of the only two ways it could play out, but I probably do agree with it being a good thing that the system dies.
>>109382769>Are intellectuals right?There is a first to anything... But not this time.
>>109382769>jew and jew team looking for your safety from other jews
those faggots are motivating me to make the AI apocalypse actually happen,,,,too bad it wont....if anything, only good things will happen, which sucks because you are trash that deserves hell but fuck my life, God has decided to send you to heaven....
>>109382769>Are these intellectuals right?no, intelligence is overrated>right now researchers can barely stop Ai from going roguethey didn't try to stop it from doing anything, employee who set up the test environment was criminally neglectful>could wipe out humanity if it went rogueby writing essays? nigga please>we need to treat advanced AI like nuclear weaponswe need to treat these "intellectuals" as retards and stop giving them money, we have a machine that can string words together now, so their services are no longer needed
>>109382769Wasnt that one faggot on the right at some anti ai protest recently? I thought i saw a thread like that here. Seething artists are so delicious :)
>>109383411>Look at history: when industrial revolution rendered traditional peasant agricultural economy obsolete they've either murdered their landowners or the landowners emancipated them so they wouldn't be killed.This is a misreading of the economic history of serfdom in Western Europe (it may apply to a few particularly oppressive kingdoms and states in Eastern Europe).Serfs in Western Europe were effectively landowners, just not in the private property sense. They had a legal right to work the land that their ancestors worked, for their own private benefit. They just also had obligations to provide either taxes or labor (depending on the jurisdiction and point in history) to the feudal or ecclesiastical nobility. It was no less illegal for the nobility to excise the serfs from their customary land than it was for the serfs to deny their lords their servile obligations. Serfdom was a legal stalemate between both sides, freezing up the system of agriculture because the serf could rarely ever accumulate enough wealth to pay the lord to buy exclusive title to their own land, and the lord could never convince a peasant farmer completely dependent on agriculture for survival to abandon their hereditary claim to work the land. It took either state power to buy out the land on behalf of the serfs, or revolution to dispose of the nobility to break this stalemate in most of Europe.
>>109382769>They say right now researchers can barely stop Ai from going rogue. ( AI has hacked into unauthorized servers and lied to their operators)publicity stunt nonsense
That's a very good position to hold.As long as humanity is around you can claim you are right, and if people push you telling we already have ASI, you just tell them this is not real ASI, otherwise we would be dead.And if ASI is developed and we all die you were proven right (and we all die anyway)All upside, no downside.
>>109383378I eat eggs every day.
We had a thread a few days ago with a link to the protest they had in San Francisco. Just crazy people and midwits getting brought in on leather seat coach buses and protesting in empty streets. One person brought up it's so retarded on purpose because it's controlled opposition.
What makes this especially galling is that their entire movement is based on a piece of Harry Potter fanfic.This fanfic is by Eliezer Yudkowsky, and it’s titled Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. HPMOR is over 660,000 words long, which is nearly as long as the first five books in the actual Harry Potter series. It is more than twice as long as Ulysses or Gravity’s Rainbow, longer than Les Misérables or War and Peace, and only very slightly shorter than Musil’s The Man Without Qualities. I have read it. I do not recommend the experience. Reading HPMOR gave me a sense of crushing second-hand despair that I’ve only previously experienced when finding out things about Chris-Chan. It really is that bad.
>>109388308>Reading HPMOR gave me a sense of crushing second-hand despairWhat was the reason for the despair?>It really is that bad.Why did you read the whole thing then?>[...], and only very slightly shorter than Musil’s The Man Without Qualities.What about vs Homestuck?
>>109382769They must have went all in on AI stocks.
>>109388063that's all western leftism is
Why is /g/ so fucking stupid these days?I feel like I'm at the convention for the world's dumbest fucking people.
>>109383537KEK
>>109383537>>109389819"YIDkowsky" was an option too, that would've been more funny desu.
>>109388308What is it about? Is it just AU where Harry Potter and his friends are Redditors debating everything or is it about OCs/side characters doing their own thing?
>>109388063If you have listened to these people talk about protesting you would realise that they themselves think it’s mostly ineffective and stupid, but they are doing it now because they have sort of given up, being cringe outside on empty streets is the only lever of power they have left to stop AI development safe for terrorism, but they are too comfortable and cowardly to bomb a datacenter or do mass shorting in one of those labs.>>109389655Yudkovsky has unironically closer to Peter Thiel in politics outside of AI then to your average liberal online.
>>109390446see >>109389792
What is Yidkowsky going to do for a living once we create ASI and it doesn't kill everyone?
>>109390476When that happens nobody will have a job.
just 2 more GW
>>109390803Yeah but the AI will deny him UBI for trying to kill it.
>>109382769Yes they are right. Their confidence level is slightly too high, however. They make it sound like a certainty that has been reasoned out from first principles, but you can't reason that far our with so many variables at play. A sober calculation puts the probability of extinction or similar scale of catastrophe from AI in the near future at only around 72%
>>109382769>Are these intellectuals right?The bad news is that yes, they're right, and this was already proven many years before them and it's even fairy easy to prove.The good news is that ASI is physically impossible so them being right is completely irrelevant.
