yesterday i was visibly seething (i am still trying to get my ricoh sp112 printer to print natively on linux mint btw any ideas to get it working are welcome):>have old printer>windows 10 doesnt even recognise the printer>try linux mint>mint recognises the printer>great_success.webp>mint is able to send the printer a printjob>printer makes printer noises doesnt spit out printed paper>getting mildly annoyed>get idea to try it on a vm with windows 7(i know it worked with windows 7 and at this point i just want to make sure the printer isnt broken)>navigate to mint software manager>download virtualbox>virtualbox doesnt have access to usb drives>getting irritated, but whatever>cant use it because i as the admin who just installed it am not in the group vboxusers>getting a bit more annoyed>add myself to the group with a bit of hassle>try to set it up with the basic bitch settings just to get another error>virtualbox dkms someshit>anger sets in>google the error and it turns out the mint software manager version of virtualbox doesnt even work on mint>raging>go to website to manually download like i would have if i had used windows>works first try>set up the vm with basic bitch settings>start vm>i was so preoccupied with getting virtualbox to run, i didnt stop to think if my laptop can even handle a vm>starts lagging>completly freezes>try alt+f4, ctrl+alt+del, ctrl+shift+esc and windowskey+. from pure muscle memory>nothing works>oh shit im on linux>google linux force close shortcut>it doesnt existwhy doesnt it have the most basic shortcut, or why tf does mint software manager have programs that dont even fucking work.
>>109384087>open terminal>type "htop">note PID from program>type PID number with kill>kill 1234>program killedwas this really so difficult to find out? maybe use less AI shit and start using the search engine like a normal human because then you would have find out in 10 seconds
>>109384087Does Mint not have a system monitor?
>>109384148>open terminalgreat idea on a completely frozen pc
>>109384087kill>>109384212drop to a tty or use SysRq
>>109384087linux is a colonel. keyboard shortcuts are grunt work. think about your window manager/desktop environment/the program you're using. also, windows is known malware that rapes you in every way we understand rape to be possible. it shouldn't be installed or used under any circumstances.
maybe as chatLGBT before making another worthless uneducated thread
>>109384087Was the printer broken at the end?Anyways if the graphical enviroment freezes you can always switch to a tty and manually kill whatever it is hogging your shit.
>>109384212alt+SysRq, fshould call the oomkiller
>>109384087alt+f4 is not a universal force close shortcut in windows either, it is all up to each software dev to implement it.some programs choose to ignore it, some prompt "are you sure" gui etc.11 added "end task" to taskbar menu but it requires responding explorer, graphics driver and mouse.>mint software manager version of [...] doesnt even work on mintAh, the classic mint software manager experience. How they manage to stay in business pulling this bullshit for 20 years is beyond me.
>>109384276>linux is a colonel. keyboard shortcuts are grunt work.yeah and grunts get the work done>windows is known malwareif known malware is the only way to get my printer working so be it>>109384301yes, it works (on windows [7])>>109384304thank you my friend>>109384406i dont recall ever using a program that i couldnt close with alt+f4, but it could also be that i never had a program like that freeze
>>109384540>i dont recall ever using a program that i couldnt close with alt+f4Literally ms paint and any ms office applications get stuck in a loop if there are unsaved changes, probably notepad too but I have it aliased so can't check.Also many roguelikes or games with hardcore save mode choose to interpret alt+f4 as "save and exit" so you have to use "end task" in task manager to cheat it.
>>109384087
Ctrl+Alt+T to open terminalkillall -9 frozenprogramIf you can't press Ctrl+Alt+T because the computer is frozen, power cycle PSU
>>109384087>is this a joke?linux is a joke, yes.
>>109384148Why wouldn't you just kill it from within htop if you're already in the application?
>>109384087And now most systems don't even ship xkillOr even enable Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, like real Unix
>>109386353I don't know, does htop kill with -9 for example or how does it do it?
>>109385024most of the systems named in your image are constantly being iterated and improved upon which is why there is no single option that stuck for a solid 30 years. loonix has more competition in audio/display/int systems than any other operating system and that's not a bad thing. who the fuck is>weanyway?
>>109386852>constantly being iterated and improved upon>t. broken every iterationmicrosoft won because they cared about maintaining backwards compatibility>who the fuck is we anyway?the voices in my head
>>109384963>If you can't press Ctrl+Alt+T because the computer is frozen, power cycle PSUand explode it? no thanks
>>109384087linux is the kernel
>>109384087>download virtualbox >virtualboxThis was your first point of failure.
>>109384212enable ssh first
>>109384087youre fault for using a meme distro, arch is the only one thats good, also pkill -9 program name
>Linux does not have a universal default force-close shortcutyou can easily make one yourself in just a few lines. one line if you disregard any checks :Pbest not be hasty enough to hold the keybind down. remember the checks, bro.
like combining a window manipulation tool and keeping track of the process id(s). you can do it, anon. i believe in you.
>>109387483>>109384963I have set up multiple remote access points (terminal, graphical login and webui admin panel) just to attempt to debug and resolve freezes.Most of the time it works and at least allows soft shutdown, if not killing the frozen process/driver and resuming normal operation.
>>109387986>>109387961fun programming exercise but just use htop if you want a gooey
Just switch to an empty console, log in, and kill your process.
>>109384087Alt+F2xkillDone.
>>109384212>a completely frozen pcLiterally the whole point of unix/unixlike systems is to stop this from happening
>>109384212>open terminal >great idea on a completely frozen pcIf it's frozen you do REISUB with the magic sysreq key
>>109386353>>109384212When Linux gets well and truly shits itself, you can't fucking ssh into it or run htop. Happened to me in production at work.
>>109388516At that point you use sysrq to kill whatever's hogging your memory. Works great for me on my ewaste ancient laptops.>>109384148I usually pipe ps aux into grep rather than fiddling with htop.
>>109388759I don't think that's possible on a server. I can only SSH into it.
It's "Windows"+Control+Esc on my end. And you just have to click to the "window" you want to force close. Useful for some games.>>109384087Yes I love Linux but the "muh security" aspect is the worst part of it. It is also why Wayland is half ass. They should really give an option to turn off certain "safety" features but whenever you point this out they'll just say: Use Windows.
>>109388759>>I usually pipe ps aux into grep rather than fiddling with htop.pgrep is a thing. use it.
>>109384087Alt+SysRq+F (think "Free memory") should find and kill a "memory hog" process, which is probably the one hanging your system.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key>>109384276>linux is a colonel.I didn't even know he was an officer.
>>109388776there's a few ways to invoke magic sysrq, one is the keyboard, but there's also support for entering them over serial, or just any method of writing the key into /proc/sysrq-trigger will work
windows doesn't have a force close shortcut either to my knowledge. common exit shortcuts like alt+f4 and ctrl+q are available in most gui linux programs/wm's as well but like in windows they may not help with frozen applications (sometimes they can, like if you do alt+f4, which is handled by your wm, many wm's may detect the program isn't responding to it so may pop something up to kill the program instead).in typical situations, alt+f4/ctrl+q just sends a signal to the program to exit normally, it's not a "force close".most linux de's have an equivalent to windows' task manager available, too. if everything in locked up (like if you're thrashing memory and don't have an earlyoom daemon set up to handle that), you have magic sysrq keys as a last resort. anything short of a kernel panic should still allow you to use magic sysrq keys, though depending on distro you may need to enable them ahead of time. afaik windows doesn't have an equivalent to magic sysrq keys
>>109384212ctrl+alt+f1
sudo pacman -S btopjjjjjjjkHow hard is this to do bros? Besides even the driver you need can be figured out don't most printers use some standardized shitscript solution? Just install that or use one that works close to your needs.
>>109394193unrelated but what WM and theme? I like the motif style window decorations
>>109394217>WMxfwm4 (i often use DWM that looks pretty much the same)>themepicrel (suckless st)>stylingFirm 22, idk where i got it, if you cant find it i can upload you my directory
>>109384242imagine explaining that to grandma>Okay grandma, you have to press Ctrl+Alt+F2 to switch to another terminal, enter in your login and password, and type killall -9 50000. But you have to find out what the process number is first, so you have to run htop to get the process. Once you finished, press ctrl+c to get out of htop and then do the killall -9 command. Hello? Grandma?
>>109396608why is grandmas process hanging in the first place? this never happens to me
>>109396608you can issue a sigkill (-9) signal to a process from in htop, just select the process, hit F9, and select sigkill
>>109396608>Okay grandma, you have to press Ctrl+Alt+Del to switch to another screen, click on "Task Manager", and click on the processes tab. right click on the program and click on "end task". no, the other mouse button. Once you finished, press alt+f4 to get out of task manager. Hello? Grandma?
mint was giving me hell too. trash os
>>109396608Grandma can't find F4 on the keyboard.I'd just tell her to push the power button.
>Have windows 11>Printer just werksIdk bros gotta wonder if this troonix shit isn't a huge waste of fucking time
>>109384087sudo kill -9 {PID}
>>109396751Really? Your Ricoh SP112 just works on Windows 11?
>>109396751I have used 11 since launch and I can count on 1 hand the amount of actual hard issues I have had with it. All the shit I read online about it's supposed issues? I never faced. Ever. I even debloated it on my ancient as fuck laptop and it just works. I am so used to the centered start menu that when I use something like KDE Plasma or Windows 10 I get lost due to the easier muscle memory of it being smack dead center in my field of vision. I used some Linux distro that had everything setup like Windows 11 and it was nice. I liked using it. The 11 GUI and how everything is setup is actually really well designed. >muh adsturn them off.
>Tech support threads should be posted to >>>/wsr/I use bazzite and not only do all windows shortcuts work as expected, I also have no issues terminating unresponsive programs from my task manager the same as I did on windows. So I would suggest using that instead of mint.
>>109396807NTA but I had a printer that had Windows 10 only support. I fixed it by buying a new printer. Printers are really really cheap bro.
>>109396894Fedora is dropping 32 bit support, so 99% of the games and stuff you rely on is about to become unsupported for (you).
>>109396608>>109396679I don't think my grandma has ever in her life touched a desktop computer or a laptop. She's 87 years old.
>>109396913They backed off after the negative reception. As more people start using it for games, the reception will even worse by the time they try proposing it again.Actually kind of nice that a bad move was quashed with relatively light pushback, unlike some other operating systems.
Mint is a piece of shit I have no idea why it gets recommended all the time. They're packages are all out of date and they never advertise that you're using old software so you get loads of bugs like OP has. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ebkQq5TcMw
>>109388215Clearly you have never used LInux.
>>109386852>improvedlol.lmao even.
>>109384087all user error. if you had installed the dkms kernel like it told you to, the version you installed through mint would have worked perfectly.
>>109384087Linux is just a kernel
>>109398666i couldn't comment on his statement that the virtualbox modules in the mint repos don't work on mint, i suppose it's possible that they're using their own kernel but only have debian/ubuntu virtualbox modules available which are for their kernels.but even if that's the case you can still use the dkms version of the package, since the point of dkms is to build modules for whatever kernel you're currently running, as opposed to prebuilt modules.also going for virtualbox is such a windows user thing to do. other options like virt-manager don't need to install their own modules since they use what's built into the kernel already
>>109384087Firstly printers are a special kind of hell so my condolences, I bought a brother laser jet and have never had to worry about anything ever again, so far.As for the rest of that scrawl of stupidity lets take a moment out of our day to review your process and the steps you took while getting irritated at having to do things that are usually done for you.I'll give you a minute.Now that we've looked at it again and seen that you are getting angry over having to do the minimal amount of setup to get what you want I think you should either buy a new printer or go back to windows.Also for future reference this is not your fucking blog, either stop sucking ass at using computers or buy a new printer.
>>109384087>i am still trying to get my ricoh sp112 printer to print natively on linux mint btw any ideas to get it working are welcomewww.CUPS.org
>>109399167Oops wrong CUPShttps://openprinting.github.io/cups/
>>109384087I don't know why you had such troubles with VirtualBox (I'm using qemu/kvm with virt-manager). And for the shortcut to quit something, alt+f4 or ctrl+q usually werks.Seems like you didn't even use your printer on Windows 10, but suddenly felt the need to do that on Mint. I searched for your printer and found something.>https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/tutoriel/installer_imprimante_ricoh#modeles_sp-112_sp_204_et_sp_201nyou have to translate it to english, but it werks.>printers in generalIf you really need a printer/scanner etc, just get a WiFi printer, that is a solved problem, you can print from phones, pcs, tablets, laptops etc, as long as you are in the same network. IPP werks.
>>109399279modern (like 2010+) printers should just werk without any effort since they should support airprint or ipp everywhere. just be sure to use them as a network printer rather than plugging them into usb.outside of network printers, or if it's an older printer, that may require a bit more setup, but that's not unique to linux
>>109399293Exactly.>but that's not unique to linuxTrue and even then, it's more likely that some older printer werks ootb on loonix than on windows, or fucking driver hunting.
>>109399404i've used many printers in linux and i'm pretty sure i've only had to install a specific driver (outside of what comes with CUPS) for one of them.even the very first time i tried linux, on a laptop in 2004, i was amazed to find my parents' lexmark z31 parallel printer was detected and worked without any additional software. i can't deny i may just have been lucky, but if you're serious about using linux you will spend that extra minute before buying hardware to make sure it supports linux first. these days most things do and i find myself checking less and less as i've come to expect linux support, but 20 years ago you certainly needed to do some research before buying things
>>109388759If you haven't got for i in $(ps -C foobar -o pid=); do kill -s kill "$i"; done memorized I don't know what to tell you.
for i in $(ps -C foobar -o pid=); do kill -s kill "$i"; done memorized I don't know what to tell you.
memorized I don't know what to tell you.
>>109386801The kill menu in htop lets you choose the signal.Open htop, press k. SIGTERM is highlighted by default. Press 9 or press UP a few times to SIGKILL.
if you just used qemu+kvm through virt-manager instead of virtualbox you wouldnt have had this problem
>>109399529if there's one thing that hurts switching to linux (or any other os) the most, it's assumptions. like assuming virtualbox is the simplest vm solution since it's the simplest on windows. new users regularly shoot themselves in the foot by just assuming something based on past experience rather than looking up what linux users do. i did the same thing, i'm pretty sure we all did to some degree starting out, it's not and easy thing to get past. i'd only used microsoft os's before linux (not counting the mac stuff in school since that was all extremely high-level stuff not learning anything about the os) so there was many things that i thought were just how computers worked that were actually just how microsoft did things, it's hard to explain.
>>109387794>pkillmakes kill a lot faster to use as long as you know the nameotherwise i runps -xfirst to get the PID to use kill or process name to use pkill
>>109386879Not how you use t. newfag>t. microshaft cocksucker
>>109399279i already mentioned that windows 10 doesnt even recognise the printer for whatever reason. i never used the printer on windows 10 because i only switched to 10 in october/november 2021, before that i used win 7 (where everything actually just worked).i barely needed a printer the last 4,5 years (i printed maybe 10 pages).i "suddenly felt the need to do that on Mint" because we are a technically already past the win 10 eol date and my laptop doesnt have the tpm requirement for win 11. literally no better time to switch to linux (mint because of recommendations).i already have a printer i know works, i dont want to buy a printer with features i dont need.
>>109399838seems you got one of the few printers that doesn't like linux, you could try this;https://github.com/vaginessa/ricoh-sp112-ppdthough even it's own readme says "you bought the wrong printer"
>>109384148why the fuck would you even need htop you retard
>>109384087ngl as much as I generally shill linux as a daily driver for everything except online games and cad, if you want a printer to work on linux you probably need to get it blessed by popeI transfer files to a macbook before printing lmao
>>109400257you know both linux and macos use variants of the same printing software, right?
>>109384087Google's jew ai bot is hilariously bad especially because it's forced to feed upon google's pozzed and AI infested search results.You are brainless if you are really using it.
>>109399503good to know, thanks>>109400247see >>109399503
>>109400278i am using gemini for everything not code related and it's best in it since it has decades of google shit.
>>109396679>Okay grandma, you have to press Ctrl+Alt+Del to switch to another screen, click on "Task Manager", and click on the processes tab. right click on the program and click on "end task". no, the other mouse button. Once you finished, press alt+f4 to get out of task manager. Hello? Grandma?Okay grandma, so hold down Ctrl and Shift and then press Escape. There should be a window pop up. Just right click on the program and click End Task. No need to thank me!
