How come 15 year old HGST DC HDDs with 100,000 hours on them are more reliable than a brand new WD/SeaShit?These old drives even more reliable than QLC/PLC SSDs.And manufactures are expecting me to pay hundreds of dollars for brand new HDDs when old HGSTs are free?
Higher density make them super unreliable. Anyway your pic is retarded (as you have suggested yourself). I have never actually seen an HDD fail, I am using a 2tb one that must be 15 years old now, and I have another that's 25 years old. Still work perfectly. I worked on large compute farms. We only had one hard drive fail in 5 years and that's with the kind of constant write workloads that make anything die.Meanwhile I've had several SDDs fail on me around the 5 years mark.
>>109393113>have 3tb wd digital green and two 1tb ones from 2013 that still pass all their smart checksThey're slow as balls but they just keep kicking.
I have a 1995 toshiba satellite laptop and the original hard drive still works
>>109393195i have a 2014 toshiba satellite and the hard drive died like 5 years ago
I had a 200MB drive from a 2003 IBM R40 fail me after I stressed it trying to reinstall (multiple times) new OS’s, although that was stupid of me on my end since it was already crashing and should’ve instead not been subjected to that sort of abuse (I wasn’t as knowledgeable at the time about installing OS’s) Kind of pissed me off that privilege escalating myself on Bodhi Linux effectively bricked my system.
>>109393160>your pic is retarded. I have never actually seen an HDD fail
>>109393278You are clinically retarded>hurr durr it maybe exists somewhere dunno nobody has ever seen one over thousands of drives but hey it must be survivorship bias 1000xinbred-tier
>>109393113>How come 15 year old HGST DC HDDs with 100,000 hours on them are more reliable than a brand new WD/SeaShit?HGST was a real company is why.
>>109393160>I have never actually seen an HDD fail,> We only had one hard drive faildon't bother responding
>>109393311I accept your surrender
>>109393311NTA but there isn't anything inconsistent about those statements
>>109393285I have never seen anyone murdered irl (therefore no one has every been murdered and murder is a myth)......this is how retarded you sound.
>>109393333>while being a crime scene investigator for one of the cities with the highest crime rates in the worldIs the way to make the analogy accurateKeep collecting L's and wasting numerals.
I'm mostly convinced that failures actually do have a root cause and in general they don't suddenly fail for no reason. Even excessive on/offs could be the cause, but also just handling them a bit rough or QC not being sufficiently strict. Saying a HDD has a finite life of 5 years or so is like saying you'll only live 20 years if you spend every day blindly crossing a street.
Ive only had one HDD failure and it was on my asus gaming laptop. It failed a couple of weeks after purchasing, so it was certainly a manufacturing defect. They replaced it for free.The laptop still works 14 years later, though it frequently blue screens.
>>109393386Anon that side salad looks pretty decent ngl. I'm trying to work more salads into my meals and I would suck that down in a heartbeat.Also to stay on topic dust your gawd dang laptop off.
>>109393397>Also to stay on topic dust your gawd dang laptop off.Impossible. It's that rubberized bullshit that turns into sticky goop and attracts everything. Attempting to clean only causes more particles to get embedded within.The salad was simply cooked pasta dressed with olive oil, garlic powder, onion, jalapeno, broccoli, and black peppah
>>10939344270% Isopropyl.it'll slowly remove the coating but who cares when it's so shit
>>109393113>usedwhat happens is you end up having your RAID controller kick them out of the array every other week.I was a datacenter monkey once and the management paid for some shitty "used drive" support contract and I was calling some jeet on the phone all the time to have them send me more used slop. I'm shocked I didn't have multiple failures that brought the whole array down because of just how shit they were.if you buy "refurbished/used" hard drives, you're a fucking retard.
>>109393195Out of maybe 25 HDDS I have had 4 fail. 1 was age related I believe, 1 was brand new and stopped working properly in less than 4 months, and the other two were physically damaged, one was on a table that collapsed while I was stoned and pushed it over by mistake when trying to move it, the other was in an old PC tower which I kicked over by mistake and slammed on the ground. My original Ps3 hdd from 2006 still works after god knows how much on time although it is slow as fuck and borderline unusable and some really old laptop drives from mid 2000s also still work. I have also bought used drives over the past 10 years and they all also still work. in fact they have been more reliable than the new drives at this point.
>>109393278It's not really got anything to do with survivorship bias though because a hard drive failing wouldn't kill him or make him incapable of telling us his experience. Survivorship bias has to have, y'know, survivors vs. non-survivors.
>>109393160Guess the "compute farms" you "worked on" must not have been very "large".
>>109393556>"compute farms" "worked on" "large"Stop that.
>>109393512You get dumber with every post.
>>109393674The term you want is "anecdotal evidence". Survivorship bias is when the threat you're trying to assess makes it impossible for the one threatened to communicate the nature of the threat. The whole point of that plane diagram is that planes which got shot in the engines couldn't make it back to base to be analysed, so they incorrectly inferred planes weren't being hit in the engines very often. It's not relevant to hard drive failure.
>>109393113HDD reliability follows the bathtub curve
>>109393278>>109393747I always think of picrel
>>109393956Funny and also someone who actually understands what survivorship bias means.
>>109393113I have 12 HDDs of various ages between 3 and 15 years. They are all in perfectly working condition.I have in fact enver had a HDD fail in my entire life.10 of them are WD 2 are Seagate.
>>109393195>tick tick tick tick fltfltfltfltfltfltfltflt tick tick tick
If the spindle motor spins freely and the heads are parked properly, you can usually revive dead HDDs by replacing a few components (diodes and caps) on the logic board.
>>109393635"Stop" what?
>>109393113I had a 4tb drive that failed after 13 years, I think I got it around the time hybrid HDDs were the hot thing, had one of those too, only worked for about 3 years because it was inside of a laptop when I was in college, I'd turn it off but lots of walking ruined it. My third failure was DOA, never buy a new drive from a store that has their HDDs in reach of anyone walking through the electronics area, retards shake, and drop the drives. Also check the capacity immediately after someone hands it to you if it's in a cabinet, women will often hand you the wrong one, not just HDDs/SSDs either, thumb drives too.On the basis of reliability and word of mouth I heard a lot of complaints about Segate back then, normalfags complained about them too. I think at my first job we had about 25 external WDs, maybe 15 or 16 failed after about two years of use. Mind you those drives were almost always the larger IDE or SATA HDDs in a branded enclosure, I assume they contained devices from the most dogshit lots to come out of the factory.
>>109393489they were selling failed drives with firmware reflashed to hide the failure, they would work until you touched the ever larger zones with thousands of dead sectors used/refurb is ok for slop data as long as it's a reliable non-scam seller, specially if they're enterprise drives not known to kill themselves
>>109398341I was always under the impression that refurbished just meant a firmware flash. Legitimate sellers now like to use that term because "used" is apparently a tainted and unclean word that's no longer allowed, but realistically what the fuck do people expect these sellers to refurbish? It's not like they're refilling the nitrogen in the case.
>>109393113Made in China
>>109393457I put 70% Isopropyl on my pasta, just like you said, and I'm not feeling so good. What do?
>>109393113>t. hgst dc hdd salesman I got lucky because don't think any hard drive i ever owned broke down on me they are just slow now and the newer ones work just fine
>>109393113That is why you only use them for storage and rarely write to them. I use 75TB of local storage for my rather large jellyfin library. It gets written to once, then jellyfin builds its database. Then it is 99% read.Have been doing it for years, have not had a single platter fail. Just make sure your hdd enclosure has decent cooling. My drives never exceed 45 °C.And most importantly: They never shut down. I run them 24/7/365. Regularly starting and shutting down hard drives kills them much faster than just letting them run.Simple math about all the MTBF numbers means that ~90 % of drives survive for 8 years and more, btw.
>>109399515add more until you feel nothing at all
>>109393160i bought a set of 4 2TB hdd's in 2010 (right before the floods), one of them was DOA, i got it replaced the next day. they lasted a good amount of time, but i think at this point only one of them still works, i haven't used it in a while
>>109393113since we're on the subject of hdd's, do not let your drives go below 30C. 38-40 is the ideal temperature.
>>109400351i've seen that backblaze study, it's surprising how bad keeping hdds actually cool is for them. according to their stats you want to keep them pretty warm
now that every drive is a helium drive what are you supposed to do when it starts to leak out? can you refill them without destroying the data?
>>109400320-- oh and, i did use the shit out of them, they were in a software raid as my main desktop mass storage, used every day.i have much older drives that i use only on occasion that work fine. like i have a 500GB early sata drive (early in that it still has the "molex" power connector in addition to the sata one) that i keep a backup on a friends' computer on which hasn't died yet, it's only used like once a year
