I understand soldered ram or storage should never be an option or be normalized (it already is, yes but options exist) because it restricts you from making the most out of your device (upgradeability), especially from a poorfag perspective. But isn't paying a gigantic amount of money now for repairability a meme (e.g. framework) when your hardware will be obsolete anyway in a few years and you'll want a new laptop (mobo+cpu for framework) anyway by the time? People just say "a macbook gives you way more X for the money" everytime the price comes up.
>when your hardware will be obsolete anyway in a few yearsfalse premise
>>109414971Get a Thinkpad you fucking queer
>>109414971You're absolutely correct but only because framework is a god awful laptop runs on Linus quarter million investment.
>>109414971usually you can get laptops with soldered ram way cheaper than laptops without if you buy refurbished/outlet because of thisif you're not planning on having it than more than a few years, you don't really need the upgradabilityI just ordered a couple of refurbished thinkpad t14 gen 2 that haven't got soldered ram, but I plan on upgrading both the ssd and ram and use them for at least five years. They cost like a sixth or something compared to a new one. Even if they're five years old they're solid laptops
>>109415009more like chinkstinkpad
>>109415009An *older ThinkPad. Everything is sodered together in the newer models, making component replacement neaerly impossible.
>>109414971Framework laptops are now more expensive than a MacBook Pro.
>>109414971Macbooks are only good for entry-level Agentic computing
Something I've never understood about Frameworks: are they repairable or modular? If I want to repair my old thinkpad I go and replace the RAM, replace the socketed CPU, replace the USB ports with generic parts that you could use for anything. From what I've seen from Framework if you want to do that stuff you buy a module from Framework to do the upgrade. That doesn't seem like true repairability to me.
Yes.Repairability (and even upgradability) should never be the goal in and of itself. The goal of it is to SAVE MONEY. And secondarily, get functionality you otherwise can't.Framework and fairphone misunderstood the assignment. Shitty to mediocre overpriced products defeat the point. Especially when the parts for repair are expensive too. And the device as well as spare parts are rarely in stock and have long delivery times.Now framework doesn't even have standard DIMMs for ram so good luck with that.
>>109414971>But isn't paying a gigantic amount of money now for repairability a meme (e.g. framework) when your hardware will be obsolete anyway in a few years and you'll want a new laptop (mobo+cpu for framework) anyway by the time?vut Framework is the only laptop you can drop in a new mobo, CPU and RAM in at all
>>109419060>drop in a new moboTrue, it's expensive as fuck tho>CPUnope, it's soldered
>>109414971>when your hardware will be obsolete anyway in a few yearsdid you travel to the future from 2005?
>>109419025honestly repairability and future proofing are a meme to get easily influenced people to consuuume
For a laptop, it's retarded. Just get a MBP and use Linux on your custom built desktop
>>109419150It's the year 2026 where vibe coded memory leaks are a thing.
>>109414971>when your hardware will be obsoleteskill issue
>>109414971I'm at the point where I wish I could just solder my ram so my pins would avoid corrosion.
Framework 13 is nice for repairability but its hardware design is flawed because the boards are designed with a tiny little heat sink for the CPU. Modern CPUs need more thermal mass and without it the fan will drive you nuts.
>>109420070>Modern CPUs need more thermal massApple's M series chips don't, it's just that the Framework uses 2010s tech (x86 chips) that are incredibly inefficient and not suitable for laptops
>>109414971>when your hardware will be obsolete anyway in a few yearsWell, it shouldn't be, you stupid cocksucker. That's why devices should be repairable.You dense son of a bitch, you deserve all the abuse you get from corporations.
>>109414971Macs are built out of very nice materials, but I wouldn't call them particularly durable (speaking as someone who has been both regional IT lead for one Apple/Lenovo heterogenous shop and head of IT for an Apple-only software firm). Their expiration date is also baked in (~7 years max until dropped), which isn't a problem for corps that turn over machines every 2-4 years, but is more of a problem for someone who saves up to buy a nice laptop for $4k and wants to use it until it's too slow to be useful. I have systems from 2009 that still run the latest version of Windows and run it pretty well (16-24GB+ of RAM has been totally feasible since the DDR2 FB-DIMM or DDR3 days), which cannot be said for any Mac. The Framework, if they can manage to stay inside that thermal envelope (which seems quite possible given continuing shrinks and efficiency improvements) gives people an option other than running the system into the ground and then replacing all of it: 4-7 years on from purchase, get a current_gen-1 board from the outlet or secondary market and slap it in. Faster computer, same chassis, cost markedly less than the price of buying an entire laptop of the same quality. That advantage only kicks in over time. You have to be able to plan for the future. If your analysis is as shallow as "da Framework 13 is $2000 but da Chu-hong-gook MingWe 9000 is only $1200" then sorry but NGMI, please neckrope
>>109414971>trying to rally people about choice when people in this particular community already know about choices
>>109415009You'll cowards won't even release new thinkcentres.
>>109414971I got into it about soldered RAM in a thread some time ago and basically I was told the link between the memory controller and DRAM modules has a bandwidth threshold that can't be overcome without being wired directly into the pipeline via soldering.
>>109421660https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/107186717/#107187774This was the thread and counterpoint post that was made to my notion soldered RAM is only promoted as an advantage by corporations trying to save a buck.
