What's the verdict on the PS3 and Xbox 360 on a technical level?Xbox GPU had unified shaders and "almost free" MSAAx2. PS3 had CELL.
>>109416540360 was the peak of western gaming
>>109416558>sega>westernanon I... think you might be retarded.
Didn't PS3 also have half the ram of 360 and had to make excessive use of swap on the HDD
>>109416587PS3 has 256MB system RAM and 256MB VRAM.X360 has 512MB unified RAM.
Xbox 360 Xenos was factually the first commercial GPU to have unified shaders, and remained the only one until Nvidia released the 8000 series in late 2006. It wasn't possible for any contemporary GPU to do what the 360 was doing in 2005. DX9 and eDRAM, 10MB, and the Xbox 360 does MSAA for free if you can fit your render targets within that 10MB limit
>>109416540Bluray player was better
>>109416558For gaming the xbox 360 is best but for media center use PS3 mogs 360. Snoy released a firmware update for the PS3 bluray drive as recently as 2025 to keep it compatible with the latest disks. A PS3 with a 1TB drive and custom firmware is suprisingly capable for watching videos, listening to music, and game emulation.
>>109416540Playstation 3 was definitely better on the technical level, the mod scene was on par with xbox 360 but the ps3 was easier to mod, xbox 360 didn't have shit on ps3 in terms of exclusives though. I kinda wish I still had mine so i could install Yellowdog on it just for the fun of it. I remember playing Jetpack Joyride on it, along with Playstation Home. Last of Us, also Bioshock Infinite (definitely my favourite game of that generation)More on the technical level I really liked XBMC. It still exists but under the name Kodi now, which sucks. As for design the XMB was better than the Xbox 360's dashboard (especially the blade dashboard)
>>109416615I imagine the PS3 OS was heavier than the 360 OS so that RAM was actually worse
>>109416587Yeah if you removed the HDD from PS3 it no longer boots. If you remove the HDD from 360 it will still work.
>>109416894>but the ps3 was easier to modOne place the ps3 beats 360 is hard drive upgrades. On the 360 the drives are encrypted to the system but with ps3 you can just swap in any 2.5 inch computer drive and the system will accept it. One wonky thing about the ps3 though is that the drives can only be formatted FAT32.
>>109416540360 was superior CPU/GPU/unified RAM setup wise, PS3 was superior disc/build quality wise. Maybe you could get superior multi-thread perf on the Cell if you were a god programmer but most games weren't limited that way.Kinda easy to see with the party chat or just any multiplat.There was also some difference with gamma. Maybe 360 had a fucked gamma curve?360 also launched with no HDMI and I think the 360 controllers were always broke shit.
ps2 has NO GAEMS
NO GAEMS
>360512mb unified ram32mb reserved by OS480mb unified ram available for games to be split anyway they liked, and most games split it like 100/380>ps3256/256 ram/vram64/32 reserved by OS192/224 available for games, and devs COULD borrow from system ram, but it required a shit load of work to get around the horseshit that was the PPE/SPE/ram/vram swapping bullshit so most didn't bother at allso just like crapple's curryniggerbooks that's loaded up the ass with javascript hardware accelerators and is good at one specific task, it doesn't matter if no one cares about that one specific task and people actually want to do other things on it
>>109416908Probably. When I check memory usage on the PS3 using webman, it says there's less than 2MB free on the dashboard.But then in game it also says less than 2MB free, so it probably aggressively unloads most of the OS.One thing interesting about the unified memory of the X360 is that it is connected to the GPU, not the CPU, which means that cache misses are EXTREMELY costly.I'm not sure if that was worth it. Having the RAM on the CPU side seems like it would have been a better configuration.
>>109417023I remember when I installed cfw on my PS3 one of the features was recording gameplay and I tried it out on a light game (Lumines) and crashed the system from running out of ram.
>>109416997ps3bros...
>>109416540bot spam thread holy fucking chrisy
PS3 HASNOGRASS
NOGRASS
>>109416908You couldn't even access the PS3's OS whilst playing a game at launch. The 360 always had the ability to bring up the overlay to look at friends' profiles and such, whereas on the PS3 it just gave you an option to quit the game. It took Sony until July 2008 to add in-game XMB access, but even then it was painfully slow and got even slower when playing a demanding game.
>>109416540people forget that the ps3 was supposed to be the premium option>The launch MSRP for the PlayStation 3 was $499 (20 GB) and $599 (60 GB), while the Xbox 360 launched at $299 (Core/Standard) and $399 (Pro/Hard Drive modeli always prefered the ps3 aesthetically especially its menus and it had better games. but xbox 360 just had a better community since thats what everybody got. it was funner
>>109416540If MSAA can be free on console how come it's never free on a PC?
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I remember when the PS3 and x360 were "current," the comparison screenshots always looked different. The colours and contrast of the screenshots from one console were always off, as if the gamma and saturation were not right. Why was that?
>>109417159I wonder why devs even cared about the 2D grass sticking out of the ground, to me it always felt super cheap
>>109417379there was a point where 2x msaa WAS damn near free and 4x was only a few percent of loss, depended on the game and card, but dx10/11 ruined all of that because "lmao we can't pipeline msaa into PBO renders"since msaa dropped out of the rendering pipeline by necessity, gpu designers did not pursue further or continued hardware msaa handling.>>109417159sure, sure, but in that specific example the alpha dithering on the moonwalker and loss of long distance detail are noticeably worse
>>109417431Why is it some games like CS2 still have proper MSAA alongside upscalers whilst being DX11? Is it because valve are making an effort do it it?
>>109417379Because PC GPUs don't have an entire other die on the card that makes such things practically free - namely the 10MB of eDRAM that the 360 had.>>109417431>there was a point where 2x msaa WAS damn near free and 4x was only a few percent of lossThat was never, ever the case. MSAA has always been extremely heavy on PC. If you ever saw benchmarks suggesting otherwise than it was because the card was CPU-bottlenecked out the ass, which WAS common in the late 90s and early 00s. Even cards as weak as a Voodoo 3 (or Voodoo 2 SLI) were held back by CPUs of the time, which is why they overheat when paired with more modern CPUs in retro rigs and can run at their full potential (with nothing but passive cooling).
>>109417379The EDRAM had internal logic that could do the MSAA on its own.
>>109417459the peak pre-GPGPU era, the 7000 series, literally physically had hardware for 4x msaa handling on the card as part of the RBOsif the card was big enough and the game not outside of it's pixel throughput limits, 2-4x msaa was basically freeyou can call this underutilization if you want, but I'm also not going to call Crysis the typical example of use.
>>109417475I'll take shit that never happened for 500 please, Alex.
>>109416540how is this even a question> one weak in-order general purpose ppc64 core> six weird-ass coprocessors that can't even access the system memory directly> 256 mb ram> 256 mb vram> outdated curie gpuvs> three weak in-order general purpose ppc64 cores> next-gen unified shaders gpu AND a small edram buffer> 512 mb unified memorydon't get me wrong, i still think cell was an interesting idea, i even have a blade server with two cell cpus, but it just makes no sense at all in a game console
>>109417542You didn't mention that the Xbox360 CPU cores couldn't access the system memory directly.
>>109416540the 360 was a 3 core 6 threaded monster.the ps3 was single core, single thread and like 6 nigger cores that could do vector math really fast360 had better gpu, it was no wonder all the multiplatform games run way way better on the 360
>>109417578The PPU in the PS3 was dual threaded as well.
>>109416540I favor the 360 and have four of the slims and elites and some spare drives, not hating on sony, have ps2 slims and fats and ps1s that being said the original white 360s are ewaste only get the black slims or elites
My PS3 sat in storage for 10 years and booted up just fine.My friend's PS3 sat in storage for 10 years and booted up just fine.My friend's two Xbox360s sat in storage for 10 years and won't start up.
>>109417572i mentioned the opposite> general purpose
>>109417650Yeah, and that was a mistake.The Xbox CPU is two memory controllers away from the RAM.
>>109416997snoysisters... not like this...
>>109418176It is something of a cherry pickening of games. Don't pay it too much mind.
>>109418313>every multiplat in history is cherrypickedsnoycoping is real
>>109416884basically this, I still use my CFW ps3 which is overclocked and has every game on the planet and the ability to play nearly any media format assuming the CPU can decode it. Also ps3 had wireless controllers and wifi which the original 360s and some rvisions didn't have which was hyper cringe and retarded. A lot of games ran like shit on ps3 though is what it is. Xbox was definitely the better gaming machine overall
>here's your 224mb hardcapped vram bro
ps3bros... not like this...
>>109418364This one all you're picking is anti-aliasing.
>>109418404The 360 side is much softer for some reason. Losing details on the gun.Is that a failing of the person getting the images? Taking photos of the screen?
>Uncs are still arguing about their outdated 480p or less upscaled to 720p stretched across a 1080p screen pile of shit consolesLet it go man
>>109418408>snoycope
bmup
>>109417430>I wonder why devs even cared about the 2D grass sticking out of the ground, to me it always felt super cheapThe more superficial nonsense you can put on screen the more perceived power the system has. Only low power systems have to display bare bone worlds. It's a luxury thing. People back then would brag up shit like that because it showed how "real" the game was and by extension how capable the machine running the game was, which is why they attack PS3 for having no grass. I remember reading articles about Crysis back in 2007 where they were talking about how realistic the bark on the trees looked. People really cared a lot about graphics and realism back then when things were still constantly improving hardware wise.
>>109416540wii won
>>109421215I mean some stuff is just nice but those tufts of grass just never did it for me, even when considering their limitations
>>109416540bro, I just want to be 17, playing COD4 again
>>109422154you can play cod4 right now
>>109421876Yeah.
>>109416540360 was the better architecture without a doubt, absolute peak performance, brilliant bit of engineering for a use case.>PS3 had CELL.Which became redundant when they bolted last year's GeForce onto it.>>109416884Video decoding is one of those things CELL was really good at, of which there are not many.>>109416997>64/32 reserved by OSGood lord that's absolutely gimped KEK
>>109416930>One place the ps3 beats 360 is hard drive upgrades.lol wat>On the 360 the drives are encrypted to the system but with ps3 you can just swap in any 2.5 inch computer drive and the system will accept it.not a problem on modded consolePS3 is cucked to 1TB seemingly forever, 360 can be patched to take infinityTB, you've got single drives now that'll fit the whole library of that thing on them
>>109417023>But then in game it also says less than 2MB free, so it probably aggressively unloads most of the OS.yeah no shit it wasn't until 8th gen that they let you go back to dash and immediately back into the game
>>109418368360 always had wireless controllers anon
>>109417430Because it looks good? Because that's how grass looks like? PS3 there looks like it could be last gen.
>>109417459>Even cards as weak as a Voodoo 3 (or Voodoo 2 SLI) were held back by CPUs of the timeThe CPU is doing a lot of the 3D workload on these old things though.
>>109424776>PS3 there looks like it could be last gen.Looks like it could be current gen, desu.
>>109424796I wouldn't know anything about current gen, fucking nothing is worth it. Even remasters look like fucking shit.
Thoughts on /v/?
>>109416558peak western gaming was 90s PC. you could say 2nd best.
>>109416540>PS3 had CELLDESU, with how underutilized the CELL was up until the end of the generation and how many inferior ports the PS3 got as a result of its use (>>109417159,>>109417239) , this is kinda a moot point. It doesn't really matter outside of Linux tinkering if 90% of gamedevs decided its confusing architecture was a dead-weight as opposed to a strength.Microsoft understood that ease-of-use for developers was the most important thing for cultivating a console ecosystem. They took what they learned from the original Xbox to make what was basically a regular PC, just running PowerPC ISA instead of x86, because PowerPC was all the rage those days. Technically, when used correctly, the PS3 is more powerful. However, from a developer standpoint, this is one of the few times Microsoft was not too far up its own ass while Sony was miles up its own, and most of that power was left on the table by most game studios for the sake of ease of development.
Dark Souls PS3
>>109426885>Dark Souls RPCS3
>>109425778If you consider the design of the PS2, it seems clear that the concept with the PS3 was similar. Sony likely thought that developers would build new engines for the PS3 based on what they had done on the PS2, but many developers were building engines for PC where it was easier to rebuild for the Xbox360. Having to basically do an entire different engine for the PS3 required considerable work.So companies that went PS3 first had pretty good engines that used the hardware well, but companies that started on PC or Xbox360 and rushed the engine onto the PS3 had disappointing shit.
>>109427556>So companies that went PS3 first had pretty good engines that used the hardware well, but companies that started on PC or Xbox360 and rushed the engine onto the PS3 had disappointing shit.How did the PS4 and XB1 change things? They're extremely similar.
>>109427586They're basically just PCs, so doing cross platform shit was far easier.Harder to see that was the best move at the time of the PS3. The PS2 had done extremely well and it wasn't PC like at the time it was made.
>>109425778I really fucking hate how people shit on PS3 multiplats for looking like 20% worse than the 360, and say nothing about PS2 games looking 20x worse than the Xbox. the PS3/360 difference is marginal in comparison
>>109416567Sega was founded by two Americans and one was a Jew who was scamming US GIs out of their paychecks with SErvice GAmes.He switched to Coinop games like Pinball and lightgun shooters when the US Military banned slot machines and gambling machines on base.
>>109416540The first generation of Xbox 360 models were trash. No HDMI output and almost all of them died within a couple of years (red ring). Also it had no bluray player like the ps3.A later Xbox 360 model was nice though and more fun for local multiplayer. PS3 was over engineered, expensive to make and games weren't really optimized for it.
>>109428199>I really fucking hate how people shit on PS3 multiplats for looking like 20% worse than the 360, and say nothing about PS2 games looking 20x worse than the Xbox. the PS3/360 difference is marginal in comparisonPS2 owners kept saying Separate Ways made the bad graphics worth it.According to Capcom, the character Leon was modeled with 10.000 polygons on the Gamecube, and on the PS2 the polygon count will be almost half of that number. By comparison, the Snake on Metal Gear Solid 3 has 4.000 polygons, 1.000 less than the PS2 RE4 Leon.The textures, that on the Gamecube were on the 24bits color standard, will be lowered to 4 or 8 bits. On the other hand, the wider and superior memory bandwidth on the Playstation 2 will allow the use of more varied textures than that used on the Cube.
>>109428199The PS2 had far-and-away worse hardware than the Xbox, while the PS3 rivals and even surpasses the 360 under ideal conditions. It's not really fair to make a comparison between the PS2 and the Xbox when the Xbox had significantly higher clocked components, a memory space several times larger, and was more similar to a PC.
>>109424776Anon, I had neither a ps3 nor xbox 360, there's no need to bait me
>>109428951It's kinda wild how big of a gap there was between the original and ps2 port. It's like those Wii ports of CoD games.
>>109428951
>>109432722This isn't actually the GC version on real hardware, though, is it?
>>109416540ps3 was such a shit console, holy shitpeople are already forgetting how devs struggled with it, releasing sub optimal ports usually running at sub hd resolutions, lower framerates or shit AA solutionsif being a shit console wasn't enough it didn't game any games
>>109432728>GC version on real hardware
>>109416558People like you should be nailed to a cross.
>>109432753I specified that because emulator enhancements are a thing.
And this, is to go, even further beyond
>>109416540PS3 was overall better, but both were fun. I don't care about console war fags or whatever else, but the PS3 did come with better shit built in from factory. That external HD-DVD drive for the Xbox was absolutely retarded as was the external Wifi card. Also there was swapping the HDDs, where the Xbox had some bullshit proprietary case it was inside but the PS3 was just a standard drive you could slot in.I don't really play any consoles anymore but I think the PS5 still allows SSD swaps while the Xbox requires yet another proprietary memory card. Its fucking stupid. Even the PS2 had the ability to just slot in a HDD.
>>109432869>Even the PS2 had the ability to just slot in a HDD.You had to buy a proprietary adapter for it, though.
>>109430508>while the PS3 runs at 540p insead of 720p and even surpasses the 360 in a few late gen walking simswoooow
>>109431323But it does look better than the flat map surface texture.
>>109425778>They took what they learned from the original Xbox to make what was basically a regular PC360 was no regular PC. If anything the gaming PC would be made in the mold set by the 360.>just running PowerPC ISA instead of x86, because PowerPC was all the rage those days.PowerPC was fucking dying in those days. Intel wouldn't make customized CPUs for them, AMD didn't want a thing with them after they got screwed on the OG, IBM had the PPE which is pretty much exactly what MS wanted already and that piece of shit was originally developed to be used in the CELL, kek.>Technically, when used correctly, the PS3 is more powerful.Correctly as in what, video encoding? Bluray playing?Games optimized to the absolute max look the exact same between the two consoles.
>>109427556>If you consider the design of the PS2, it seems clear that the concept with the PS3 was similar.UNTIL they failed to make that and just bought last year's GeForce
>>109432869>PS3 was overall better, but both were fun.The question was "on a technical level"
>>109427655>They're basically just PCs, so doing cross platform shit was far easier.Not really. PS4 has a different api and no directx
>>109416540PS3 was more powerful, but harder to properly utilize since it needed heavy multithreading in an era when most games did almost everything in the main thread.
>>109434314>PS3 was more powerfulpatently false bullshit
>>109434339Look at some of the later PS3 titles. Also the PS3 did 1080 in many games while the 360 topped out at 720.
lollmao even
>>109434348>Look at some of the later PS3 titles.look at some later 360 titles too>Also the PS3 did 1080 in many games while the 360 topped out at 720.in what, minesweeper? 360 ran the odd few games in 1080 too.what ran 720 on 360 had to go down to 540 to run on ps3
>>109434348>Also the PS3 did 1080 in many games while the 360 topped out at 720Horse shit in both respects. There are fleetingly few 1080p games on PS3 and the 360 was capable of it as well. Virtua Tennis 3 is one of the few complex 3D games which is 1080p on both platforms. Almost everything else is basic indie shit. Sony's hype about 1080p was marketing bullshit.>muh gran turismo!!!GT5 renders at 1280x1080 in its "1080p" mode. It also uses shitty post-process antialiasing, versus 4x MSAA in its native 720p mode.
>>109434403FM4 ran in 1080 too
>>109434408Nope. It's native 720p. The 1080p mode is just upscaled internally.https://www.digitalfoundry.net/articles/digitalfoundry-tech-analysis-forza-motorsport-4
>>109432791for telling the truth?
>playing rainbow six on 360>never voice chat>never need to>one time stumble onto a team of dindus who all play together>they're average at best, decent enough to not be complete trash>i carry all their games>they keep inviting me and chatting me up>i only ever reply by text>one of them assumes im a grill because of my gamer icon>i just keep to myself because it was funny as shit they brag to the other team they got beat by a gril>other team once doubted>one of the dindus chimed in he's heard me speak before>then convinced all the other dindus im a grill too>completely crush one team one day with my famas>scrub kid on other team cried about me abusing OP super accurate weapon>dindus jump to my defense>switch to AK74U next match, one of the most inaccurate but high highest damage guns>crush the same team again>they're all dead silent after the matchfun timesdindus when they're not raping stealing and murdering are pretty funny
>>109434266>UNTIL they failed to make that and just bought last year's GeForceNo, because the GPU is analogous to the GS in the PS2, but I am talking more about the VPUs.VPU1 was often used to assist the GS, but that could be done with CELL as well, using one ore more SPUs to crunch data before sending it off to the GPU.
>>109432869>Xbox requires yet another proprietary memory cardit's just cf express
Xbox 360 had a much saner architecture, it was simply better at most things most of the time.PS3 was kind of a weird amalgamation between slightly dated architecture and something so wonderfully unique and powerful that I can't help but like it more. PS3 almost always loses in multi-platform showdowns, but it shines brilliantly in exclusives
>>109437252>but it shines brilliantly in exclusivesgood one
>ps3 in charge of graphics
Funniest part of the Uncharted screenshot is it's not even real. It's an ultra high res in-engine bullshot from a dev machine at maximum quality then downscaled for magazines and online publication, but they still can't get around the shit tier 192MB VRAM cap of the PSTriple.
>>109437403Swing and a miss. Killzone 2 does far more advanced rendering than COD. Now show me anything on 360 that comes close to Uncharted 3 or TLOU
>>109437484that is not a screenshot of RE5 on PS3. It runs with no antialiasing.
>>109437630Real screenshot of RE5 on PS3, still looks a full generation above the trash graphics of even the best PS3 exclusives.
>>109437560see >>109437484
>>109418368PS3 didn't even have rumble
>>109416540>PS3 had CELL.Which didn't amount to much, all done and said.
>>109417159touch gra-- Oh. Never mind, carry on.
>>109417239top has sovl
>>109428680>scammingbeing an idiot GI and blowing your money on gambling isn't scamming, it's enabling. Learn the difference.
>>109426885>3840x2160>PS3lol, then lmao.
>>109437698I turn it off in all my games in 2026
>>109437676yes I know what detail textures are. There's a reason why nobody has used them in 25 years.>look at this extremely high frequency fake wall texture that's just tiled over a low res base texture>NOOOooOOO don't look at the dogshit textures on the gun
>>109437660hard to tell when the screenshot is scaled to 70% of the actual resolution the game renders at
>>109416540So what exactly was so confusing about the CELL architecture?
>>109434555of course you liked all that attention, right, you little bitch?
>>109434555Thinly-veiled troon post.
>>109437943it wasn't a traditional powerpc cpu. it was like a 6 core processor when 360 was a straight foward triple core and it was during the time of crysis when dual cores were just being utilized and single cores were still the norm.
I used to go to GameSpot's System Wars, a constant theme was how Xbox 360 is 10% better looking than PS3, reality was that they both sucked donkey balls in that era with almost all games at 30 fps.
>>109438375>it wasn't traditionalYeah i don't think that was the problem. My hunch is that it was a completely retarded design that, even now, grinds development down to a halt.
>>109434562>No, because the GPU is analogous to the GS in the PS2Apart from being COMPLETELY different.>but that could be done with CELL as well, using one ore more SPUs to crunch data before sending it off to the GPU.yeah imagine the fucking code for that shit, they just made devs put 10x the effort to match what the 360 can do already and then forget it because nothing after had such a dumbassed architecture KEKthere is literally no reason why you would do it like this besides having sunk costs on a collaboration to make a stream processor with IBM... which is exactly what they did kek
>>109437943>1c2t built like a pentium 4 but worse>8 nigger-tier vector units but actually the PS3 has one disabled and actually the OS reserves one for itself>said vector units can help the vastly inferior GPU at the cost of developers' sanity
>>109438769>>109438751See, that makes way more sense.Thanks for answering btw.
>>109438769>>said vector units can help the vastly inferior GPU at the cost of developers' sanityThe most common thing they were used for was MLAA, which was a shitty post-process antialiasing solution that looked like ass, but was essentially free if you weren't using the SPUs for anything else (and most third-party devs weren't).
>>109418422Based 720p AI upscaled to 4k enjoyer
>>109424911Shilled to hell and back and lurked by /lgbt/ groomer pedos starting samefag homo threads
To think that these piece of shit 256 megabyte ram consoles held back gaming for like 15 years is absolutely fucking laughable.
>>109439108thank Tim Epic that they actually had 512>microslop wanted to ship the 360 with 256 on board until Tim Epic showed them how much better 512 made it
>>109434274>ignores the entire rest of the post that mostly talks technicalyou're a right dumb cunt ain't ya?
>>109416923Because they never tried to ship a PS3 without HDD. That was a uniquely Microsoft scam.
>>109439934>technically is better because you can swap the HDD easy>nevermind that the CPU/GPU combo is pants on head retarded so everything runs worse no that's not technicalmoron
>>109442387Not entirely correct.The superslim models come with 16GB of flash storage in them.
>>109438756>yeah imagine the fucking code for that shitThe same sort of code the devs were writing for the PS2.This is why you need to keep the PS2 in mind when considering the PS3 achitecture.
>>109416540the 2 best retro consoles
>>109418422To be fair modern consoles aren't any better with their 720p-area actual resolution upscaled to 4k.
>>109426885PS3 couldn't output 4K though?
>>109432831I remember that HD project from ages ago. Did the nigga give up when they announced the RE4 Remake?
>>109444752You may be joking, but I do consider Xbox 360 retro since it didn't even get a HDMI port until 2 years after it launched and couldn't even output 1080p until it got a software update. Watch this video to get an idea just how different the world was back in 2005; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTs0AoaMYGA
>>109444752The sliding timeline triggers people, but gen alpha are considering stuff like Angry Birds and Temple Run "retro" now. But jannies won't open a "midtro" board for stuff that's not the latest console but not "old enough".
>yet another Snoy cope thread Multiplatform games were better on 360, get over it. Microsoft provided better tools to developers and unified memory.
>>109416540>PS3Bayonetta. I don't think I need to explain why.
>>109449482it can if you strap 4 of them together
As much as I know nothing about this and am a turbo brainlet giga retard, the 360 CPU arch makes more sense to me in a gaming console because at the end of the day, you just needed to get games out on the system. The CELL seems cool on paper, but isn't writing hello world like 100 loc and to actually utilize the SPEs to do the theoretical massive floating point throughput a massive pain where you're essentially writing two programs at once? The Xenon CPU seemed more traditional where you could just throw code at a compiler and call it a day.
>>109416540The 360 was the best console of that era. You could actually install games onto the hard drive. Not to mention the Indie games were fun. This is coming from a guy who grew up with the PS3. You could not even message your friends while playing some games because the memory couldn't handle opening up the XMB simultaneously. I never had that problem on the 360.
>>109450729just ignore how the ps3 doesn't have any busses fast enough to do this in a meaningful way
>>109452357imagine the original intel atom but 3c6t and with AVX instructions, this is basically the xenon CPUit's very good for its intended use case
>>109452339>but isn't writing hello world like 100 locIt's the same number of lines as hello world on the 360 unless you want to have the SPEs do it.
>>109444035>The same sort of code the devs were writing for the PS2.except the GPU now does a lot more things than the GS did>This is why you need to keep the PS2 in mind when considering the PS3 achitecture.the RSX/GF7800 is closer architecturally to the NV2A than it is to the GeForce 8800.so nigger you need to keep the OG Xbox in mind too then?
>>109455133meant that for >>109452339 fucking misclick>>109455164>unless you want to have the SPEs do it.... which is the whole point of Cell, to have SPEs doing things, otherwise it literally becomes a third of a 360?
>>109455230>... which is the whole point of Cell, to have SPEs doing things, otherwise it literally becomes a third of a 360?Sure, but we were talking about "hello world".You're not using more than a third of the 360 to do that. You aren't parallelizing multiple threads to do it.The questioner was under the impression it was harder to do even the most basic things on the CELL. It isn't until you actually bring the SPEs into it.>>109455223You don't have to keep the OG Xbox in mind because that wasn't driving the design decision for the CELL.Why did they pursue the CELL architecture when Xenon was so much better for developers? Because Sony's previous console was the PS2 and the CELL architecture was an extension or expansion of that design.At the time it would have seemed to them like a logical progression that developers from the PS2 would be able (and willing) to shift into. That turned out not to be the case.
