>>109418141
>opening the pandora box of fucking over legitimate customers
lol

windows makes up 8% of MS's revenue
99.99% of that comes from businesses
literally not a single person at MS gives a single fuck about the maybe 1mil pirates who figured out le epik hax0r activation script out of 1,000,000,000 legit windows licenses

>>109418141
idc

>>109418188
Why?

>>109418168
They do give a shit, because they want full tracking and ad services on home users, LTSC doesn't have all that bullshit enabled, their plattform is about cloud and advertising.

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>>109418207

Debloating W11 manually after a fresh install doesn't take very long. Just git gud

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>>109418141
>Let's take away the one thing that made development on windows affordable and useable
Do they really believe common end users use this shit?
Most don't even know it exists. The people that do tend to be developers. Hackers don't use windows and if they did, it's merely a proxy and they've already hacked it, so this is redundant to them.

>>109418165
This is not even thinking about the license complications here.

>>109418301
Yeah it's called installing linux because fuck that shit.

Does this affect W10 LTSC? Because if it doesn't I don't give a fuck.

>>109418277
eww mint.
That shit got pawned in 2016 just warning you.

>>109418301
>debloat meme
Saaaar

>>109418353
>the irony
Unless you're against using a bloated kernel that can't be debloated.

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>>109418305
>Hackers don't use windows

>>109418141
Better learn how Linux works, cucks.

The TPM is legitimately awesome, unfortunately tech illiterates don't know wht it is and don't even know you can use it on Linux for useful stuff

>>109418165
>>109418168
>>109418231
>>109418305
>>109418316
>>109418387
>HWID activation, the default most piracy toolkits recommend, registers a PC’s hardware ID with Microsoft’s activation servers as a legitimate digital license, permanently, with no KMS host involved.

>TSforge writes forged licensing data directly into the two files inside Windows’ Software Protection Platform that manage every legitimate activation. Neither method needs KMS.

>In short, the new KMS Hardware-Secured methods do not affect any of the existing piracy methods to activate Windows.

>>109418141
i don't give a flappochino fuck i use linux

>>109418395
I dont like the static prefab nature of it.

Its nice for anti cheat in gaming, but everything else seems like a waste.

Am I really going to trust an encryption "seed" provided by some big corporation?

>>109418141
I don't think that will end well since their customer support has literally instructed users to use massgrave on multiple occasions.

>>109418407
Big fat nothing burger then

EVERYONE, IT'S A BIG FAT AMERICAN NOTHING BURGER

I REPEAT A BIG
FAT
AMERICAN
NOTHING
BURGER

>>109418277
holy based

>>109418415
well yeah when you are dealing with a "customer" obviously trying to con a free legitimate license thats what you do.

>>109418141
Why should i care?

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Damn, you proprietary software useds sure keep having weird problems.

>>109418407
So nothing happened, thanks.

I have been using unactivated windows for 7 years.

>>109418320
Yeah, the website, duh
NTA

>>109418414
You entire computer is prefab

I'll just switch to Linux, heard good things about gaming on it lately

>>109418320
How many times do you think MS Windows got pwned, anon?

>>109418141
>our market share is shrinking, how can we JUST it even more?
>say no more

>>109418386
Well not as the host.
But you think they're using a commonly used LTSC OS that can be traced? Damn. That's reckless.

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>>109418407
>it literally only affects real developers using windows, not hackers or pirates
That's even funnier.

>>109418513
I think I found out the hard way.

>>109418517
Oh way more, absolutely.
I'm not saying it's better.

It was just mint in particular because it was shilled hard on chans in 2016 around that time.

You don't need to activate macOS or Linux

>>109418168
They care a lot. Hence why they are fucking over LTSC versions and are pushing AI into the core of OS and made TPM modules mandatory to spy on users. They are running out of public data to sell and lobby for surveillance state all the time.

>>109418407
retard
if you take away kms then everyone is funneled into hwid
kms was reliable, hwid is entirely at the mercy of microsoft who can now shoot fish in a barrel because it's obvious what the fake activations are

>>109418571
super trvke nova

>>109418141
I don't understand why people tolerate all this. Just install Linux mint or something

>>109418635
The fact that it needed an activation was the problem to begin with.
Ever since they've been implementing shit like this for security to their IP licensing regime, windows has been buggier than ever, less secure than ever and generally something you only use if you have to. Greed has killed windows the most.

>>109418375
Linux is modular, retard

>>109418681
So is windows.

>>109418301
>You need an app to open Calculator.exe
>opens all files in a zip file in new windows
It's all way too dependent on random ass shit to effectively debloat without breaking a ton of shit.

>>109418690
Bu unlike Linux, the Windows kernel is closed source, meaning users can't recompile or swap out internal core kernel components. So yes, "debloating" Windows is a meme.

The C in LTSC means canard (baby duck).

>>109418415
Have they really?

>>109418571
Red Hat servers (aka where the money is) do.

>>109418141
It's gotten to the point where i don't want this tech in my home. The unibomber was right.

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It doesn't affect W10 so I don't care.
I'd rather use pic related over using W11 ever again.

>>109418277
Great hardware, I feel like Fedora, openSUSE TW or Arch would be better for ya...

>>109418544
>>it literally only affects real developers using windows, not hackers or pirates
why?

>>109418861
why is there a 10 button instead of a 0? why are sis and grandpa there but then also randomly we have froggy and monkey? why are they trying to trick children into thinking that their family members are dogs, or that dogs need glasses, or that dogs drink coffee? i have never met a monkey or frog that knows how to operate a computer. what retard made this abomination?

WHY IS MONKEY JUST NAMED MONKEY BUT EVERYONE ELSE HAS A SPECIAL NAME? ARE THEY RACIST AGAINST MONKEYS?

>>109418414
>Am I really going to trust an encryption "seed" provided by some big corporation?
I'm afraid to use tpm luks autounlock on gun/linux, because I heard about cold boot and exploits

who the fuck uses windows in 2026

>>109419100
Wagies and Kernel Malware Gaymers

>>109418168
So they won't care too much if I stop using windows? That's good.

>>109419084
>i have never met a monkey or frog that knows how to operate a computer.
Seems like a (you) problem.

>>109418141
Just give it away for free

>>109418277
>mint on a 5090
absolute madlad

>>109419279
not him but I am using a 50s card as well but on Ubuntu 24. It's good shit

>>109418386
given that it has extra logging of GoyID - it does makes sense to not use it. why expose yourself for extra tracking? If hackers are soooo smart surelly they can instal Mint ?

>>109419111
>Kernel
Lad, I'm scared shitless about the Hypervisor bullshit. At this point I have already pirated games using the old and trusted way ™ and I will probably just buy the newer ones in Steam to be on the safe side.

>>109418386
Where have you been anon? Windows versions 7/8 had an NSA backdoor revealed back in 2017, it's a fucking ass operating system for anyone who cares about opsec

>>109418812
Yes
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-support-cracks-windows-for-customer-after-activation-fails/

You can use Windows 11 Pro indefinitely without activation, but the experience is significantly restricted. While core functionality like app installation, gaming, and web browsing remains fully operational, you will face permanent visual and functional limitations.

The primary consequences of an unactivated system include:

Activation Watermark: A semi-transparent text overlay reading "Activate Windows" appears in the bottom-right corner of the screen and is visible over all applications, including full-screen games and presentations.

Locked Personalization: You lose access to most customization options under Settings > Personalization, including changing the desktop wallpaper, themes, accent colors, light/dark modes, and lock screen settings.

Intrusive Notifications: The system frequently displays pop-up reminders and settings alerts prompting you to activate Windows, which can interrupt productivity.

Limited Updates: While critical security patches and updates are typically still delivered, you may miss out on optional feature updates, performance enhancements, and new tools.

No Support: You are ineligible for Microsoft support services, and the system is considered non-compliant in professional or business environments, potentially leading to legal or audit issues.

>>109418515
But the shit I type in is not.

>>109419099
Yeah its just way too convenient.
And it's not like that kind of exploit hasn't been done before a million times in human history.
RNG hardware has been exploited in Vegas hundreds of times.

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>>109418141
Wintoddlers BTFO!

>>109418141
>Doesn't target personal computers
L + don't care + you're brown

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>>109418141
You can just buy a key off ebay for 3 bucks. Right now you can just get it for free, but if that becomes impossible, 3 bucks is nothing.

>>109419852
Those keys will be deactivated.

>>109419877
Same bullshit every retard says about stuff like keysites and CreamAPI on Steam, yet it hasn't happened in a decade.

If in 2035 my key gets deactivated, I'll worry about it then. Judging from how it's been so far, the odds of that happening are basically zero.

>>109418141
Well windows xisters? Now you have no choice but use linux :)

>>109419100
I do. I gave Linux a try, some of my older retail games have open, unresolved issues with wine/proton still. W10 extended support was extended for another year, so I’ll try again some time in 2027, hopefully those issues are fixed by then.

>>109419111
There's millions of games without denuvo, and for the handful that still use it you can wait for a crack or buy it with a stolen credit card.

>>109419837
>>Doesn't target personal computers
Unless you use LTSC, which isn't meant for personal computers.

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>neo4chan can't even read the entirety of a twitter screencap now

>>109419388
>>109419946
I don't mean piracy, I mean Kernel Malware Games (Kernel Anti Cheat Games). To the question "Who uses Windows", I responded with that, because some people use Windows because of their Kernel Anti Cheat Games.

>>109419989
...because microsoft would rather individuals pirate windows than use linux

>>109419916
I still need to be able to draw circles, sorry!

>>109419989
personal PCs = windows 10 / 11 home activation, not LTSC.

>>109419989
I'm pretty sure Windows 10 LTSC is an enterprise license though... People just use it because their computers will have extended support.

>>109418231
>LTSC doesn't have all that bullshit enabled
lol
lmao

>>109418141
Most computerts running win11 LTSC don't even have a TPM chip. This is nonsense made up by op.

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>>109418277
>dwm + st on Mint

>>109420321
>muh snake oil snowflake alternate build
Either go full lintard or just use normal windows? Where is the issue?

Will this affect the KMS option when using MAS?
I probably won't be affected in the end since I use Enterprise edition rather than stuff like LTSC so I can always change to the HWID activation method

>>109420642
It's only for Win Server and there are already workarounds. OP is a fag.
Also you shouldn't be using the KMS option anyway

We got given a bunch of PCs abandoned by the college. All of them had Windows LTSC and cannot be activated, because they were tethered to the college intranet server. Even illegally activating them no longer works now.

>>109420703
Damn. If only there was a way to reinstall a normal edition of windows...

>>109420722
They patched that too. TempleOS it'll have to be.

>>109418168
I just won’t update. There.

>>109420665
This

>>109418141
I wonder if this impacts all the cheap keys you can buy online. Usually they sell you some business key that can be activated multiple times

>>109418141
???

HWID activates shit by manipulating Microsoft's online activation system, not KMS. Your license is issued as if it were legitimately done by phoning home so what is this fixing?

>>109418141
I'm forced to use W11 at work and it's miserable. Slow as shit, basic shit like right click has been ruined for some reason and you need registry fuckery to fix it, file explorer is buggy as shit... Why would I ever willingly want a licence for it?

>>109421072
it pushes all the cucks who thought they were safe by using LTSC out basically, and it removes all the grey market keys.
this does not affect legitimate paying customers

>>109419996
Ah, that's another flavor of cancer. You shouldn't be playing kernel anti cheat games to begin with. Still, going back to the Hyperborea cracks, I have my reserves about it. I feel that is open your butt cheeks more than people think about and I say this as mildly tech literate person

>>109421351
HWID isn't legitimately paying for shit, it just generates a license that Microsoft sees as legit.

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Fuck Windows.
Fuck Microsoft.
Fuck Bill Gates.

>>109418301
>Debloat
Cope
Enjoy your tinkertroon os

>>109421918
I thought you were taling about Linux kek

>>109418141
Old news that already has a workaround. Literally doesn't mean anything. Complete fucking nothingburger. Move along, idiot.

>>109418165
>fucking over legitimate customers
Microsoft has been doing that since they started.
>>109418168
Not only that but it's their lowest margin product. Windows dying would be great for them provided they're able to market their other services without out it. They know this and are practically milking/abandoning it.

>>109422160
What is the workaround? I know one. Not use windows.

>>109422243
The work around has existed since 1991. Not my fucking problem.

I told you dummies this sort of thing would happen as soon as they had CPU serial numbers back in the day that could be queried by software. And again when they had the Clipper Chip, and again with TPM 1.0. LOL.

>>109418141
Knowing Microsoft this will be trivial to bypass anyway because both they and their customers are incompetent retards that cannot create or adhere to a functional licensing system.

>>109422267
yeah if they make it too hard, they lost a significant portion of their "market share".

who cares nobody uses windows anyway

right

I work for Microsoft, believe me or don't.
This isn't activation, I mean it is, but like, this is for tracking purposes. They wanna know exactly what's on your hard drives even if you don't have an online account. This gives us full access.

>>109418301
>just run shady scripts to "debloat" your os and blame microsoft for any problems your malware caused

>>109418141
>oh no... I'll have to... LE GASP... PAY FOR WINDOWS!!!

>oh wait i can use a windows 7 key to activate windows 11 still never mind

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>>109418277
>perpetual beta OS

>>109423332
That's not windows 11 though

>>109418168
So what you're telling me is now that Windows is just a small portion of Microslop's total revenue, they don't give a shit about it and that is why it's getting worse by the year.

>>109418635
not him but you're the retard here, because MS cant blocklist OEM keys without fucking over millions of customers. thats the beauty of the HWID method and only literal retards use KMS

serves you all right for staying on the sinking ship i hope they start charging monthly like adobe next esp you ltt

>>109418141
Microsoft seem like they've been actively trying to leave the home user market for the past 20 years and I don't understand why a company would try so hard to reduce its own market share.

wonder if this is going to affect my AD activations...

>>109423245
no that license is tied to your hardware, if you bought a windows 7 PC with an OEM license (only AFTER you active the license, you could use the win7 license of an OEM machine to activate windows 10 on completely different hardware).
If you paid for a retail version of windows 7 and transferred it to windows 10, that's tied to your Microsoft account.
Technically you don't need a windows account to transfer a retail licence, you can manually deactivate it so that the license can be used on the new hardware.
But with a microsoft account, you will not lose the license even if you broke your SSD.

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Microsoft are such jokers when it comes to Windows piracy.

I'm not oblivious. I don't pay for Windows but I also don't pretend like I'm "circumventing the man" by doing so. I'm playing inside their ecosystem where they can monetize me other ways and that's the main reason this has never been cracked down on. The long game matters.

Microsoft Office, Xbox, OneDrive...it's all shit that being part of the Windows ecosystem connects you to and there's plenty of ways to keep your wallet lighter by being a part of it in the long term.

>>109423459
how is it hard to understand? If you have one unit of resources, and that one unit is currently used to generate one unit of revenue (the home market), but using that one unit of resource on the business market would make it generate more than one unit of revenue, then you move that unit of resource to the higher revenue source. If you have a choice between business and non-business customers, you always choose the former since you can make more money of the transaction; business pay more for shit because they are expected to pass on the expense into the costs of their product or service (thats why there are commercial licenses for software).

>>109422341
>scripts
That's not what manually debloating means.
Here's how I manually debloat a fresh W11 ISO install with Rufus without modifying the ISO with Rufus in any way: When asked to sign in the very first time, after of course disabling as many telemetry options as possible, I press Shift + F10 and enter the command "start ms-cxh:localonly" to make a local account, then once I'm at the desktop I open regedit to change SilentInstalledAppsEnabled to 0 in HKEY_CURRENT_USER -> Software -> Microsoft -> Windows -> CurrentVersion -> ContentDeliveryManager (will prevent random apps from being installed when updating windows in the long run). I then open Control Pannel to disable fast startup in power options, go to Settings in the Apps section to disable autostart apps I don't want and power down the PC for the first time.
I then power it back on, go to Control Pannel and uninstall OneDrive from Programs and Features, then go to Settings and uninstall everything I don't want from Installed Apps in the Apps section, then in System to remove what I don't want from System Components, and what I don't want from Optional Features. Then from System I got to System Information, Advanced Settings and in Remote Control tab I disable Authorize Remote Connections. Then I disable as many unneeded/unwanted settings I can in Settings, and power down the PC for a second time [1/2]

>>109423970
Cont.
Once I power it back on, I install all the PC's drivers which I loaded from an external drive, starting by the chipset driver which will ask for a reboot once installed, so I reboot. Then I install the audio driver, which asks the same thing, then the graphics driver which doesn't ask for a reboot but I reboot anyway. Then I install the Ethernet driver, and then open Optimize Drives and optimize my SSD for the first time, then power down the PC for a third time.
Once powered back on, I then plug in my ethernet cable for the first time, go to settings in windows update, and search for updates. I let everything download and install, and only reboot once everything that requires a reboot is ready for rebooting. Once all windows updates are done, I install firefox which I loaded from the external drive, and that's basically it.[2/2]

>>109419825
OS? Looks nice.

>>109418141
Didn't KMS activators get deprecated like 5 years ago

>>109418301
disabling the bloat in win10 for example, makes the settings uwp app crash every now and then, because it tries to sync to a microsoft account or something like that lol, I have open shell so it's not very annoying but still broken ass os, nothing past w7 is worth in windows

>>109419825
What DE? Looks rad

>kms killed
>everyone funneled into hwid where Microsoft can just revoke your shit easily

>>109418141
>Don't have tmp
>Did an hwid activation
Sounds like it's not my fuckin problem, chud

>>109424356
Kde plasma.

>>109418141
OMG how are they going to validate my copy of linux? Oh shit.

>>109418407
LMFAO

it's $200 dude.

>>109422147
>associating linux with trnoids
normalfag tourist microshill

>>109424521
that's 200 dollars worth of vbucks right there

>>109424546
Shut up retard

>>109424546
If they keep enshittifying everything to the point their OSes are no longer usable I'll just switch to linux, what's the big deal

>>109418407
>affect

>>109419414
hackers definitely use windows, in a VM, if anything.

>>109418141
This isn't the problem you think it is. No one uses KMS in 2026 unless you're a retard. And another thing, you know you can in fact install win11 on non-TPM machines, just use the rufus workaround. If pirating Windows wasn't so easy and required only two braincells it wouldn't have dominated the PC market.

>>109423970
>>109423978
>just jump through these 300 hoops and it's good bro
May as well just use Linux at this point

>>109418301
You're doing it wrong if you have to debloat AFTER you install it. You're supposed to trim the iso image on something like NTLite and let rufus handle the rest.

People who have huge uptime have something about their setup they have to do every time and keep forgetting how to do it.

>>109419359
That's the thing, most hackers aren't smart at all or they wouldn't get caught on goyid at the airport.

>>109419825
>KDE
Nice, you actually made it look like gnome.

>>109423443
Look at the graphs in their most recent earnings call. Windows is barely getting them revenue in comparison.

>>109425813
>>109418301

>windows
lmao

>>109426205
>it doesn't take very long!
>*describes process that doesn't even fit in one 4chan post, involves reboot the PC at least 3 times, manually installing shit from an external drive, uninstalling shit, going through layers of menus and waiting who knows how long for windows updates*
lmao

>>109426294
What's the alternative? Debloating an ISO using scripts you don't understand or tinker trooning on linux?

>>109426313
>Debloating an ISO using scripts
How about don't fucking debloat, it's a meme. The OS is useable out of the box, most problems come from dumb morons debloating and then freaking out when their games suddenly don't work for some reason related to circumcising their OS beforehand.

>>109426313
>put non-retarded Linux distro on USB
>plug usb in computer, reboot
>click next a bunch of times
>careful to choose KDE and not Gnome
>install what you want from Discover or whatever package manager UI you have
>have computer that works
There. No need for endless fighting against microslop and tinkertrooning every update. It's not the 2010s anymore you don't even need to open the terminal.

LTSC is the closest to official debloating as Microsoft goes.
There's no point going further beside flipping a couple of switches on gpedit.msc to disable auto update and telemetry.

>>109418407
This real?
So massgrave still works?

>>109418165
A business that doesn't pay for a Windows license is not a legitimate customer.

>>109418141
they are already losing money on consumer windows

>>109427864
>they are already losing money on consumer windows
lmfao how? they literally don't care about windows license prices for home users. they did in the XP or 7 era, now they just want to get you on the platform and earn money via your AD ID. Licenses only matter for big OEMs and copros with thousands of PCs.

>>109427890
>lmfao how?
idk they just do
not as bad as xbox but still

>>109425901
Windows 11 was released 6 years ago. Microsoft 365 is mostly a windows product and service. Turning windows into a fully agentic OS will unlock massive revenues. Windows has never been this important to Microsoft.

>>109418141
LINUX CHADS WE EATIN GOOD TONIGHT

>>109427864
>>109427923
I'm pretty sure you mean "losing profits" and not "losing money" because there is no fucking way they're losing money doing bare minimum maintenance with a pajeet dev team while racking up money from ads, preinstalled bloatware and licence deals from being preinstalled on virtually every consumer computer in the world.

>>109418141
Holy shit. This doesn't affect anyone using MAS since only retards use the KMS activation method through MAS. What this does affect is any company that is using older than five year old hardware, which is a significant amount. Most day to day office applications do not require that up to date hardware. Hardware from a decade ago is still plenty to run Office and use RDP. This is going to force any company that uses KMS activation to upgrade their infrastructure. This isn't an anit piracy measure. This is a measure to get thousands of small businesses to upgrade hardware that they don't really need to.

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>>109419084

>>109420350
>>109420321
This doesn't effect LTSC licenses unless you're activating it through a KMS server. Both of the main activation methods that MAS uses does not utilize KMS activation methods. This only really affects actual legit businesses that pay for KMS volume activation this forces them to upgrade their hardware to something that has a TPM chip when they absolutely don't need to. Forcing them to upgrade when PC parts are at an all time high price. So fucked up imo.

/g/ in charge of reading

I don't activate. I just kill explorer.exe so it doesn't show the warning when I'm playing games.

>>109428535
>since only retards use the KMS activation method through MAS
Can you quick elaborate on why?

>>109429781
Because HWID and TSforge don't require you to phone home to your KMS server every 30 days or whatever it is.

>>109418141
I bought a Windows 10 key on eBay for like $10 in 2016 and I've used it to activate a dozen different computers since then and it's always worked.

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>>109418407
MASSGRAVE THADS REMAIN AT THE TOP OF THE TOTEM POLE

>>109429781
KMS is Microsoft's tool to activate 100+ PC all at once. Nutella adds additional requirement of TPM 2.0 chip being mandatory for license activation.

>>109431674
You got ripped off

>>109418168
You say this yet they're putting in effort to make pirating LTSC harder.

>>109432628
Retard

>>109418861
Sis is pretty hot

>>109422165
>>109418168
Isnt 8% still a significant chunk, all the while sticking most of the karket in your personal environmnent to maximize data collection? Youtube is kept by google for thqt exact reason and its actively turning a deficit. It being profitable and a massive handle on soft power seems like a retardedly short sighted move.

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>>109418141
I just want Adobe shit to work properly on Linux so I can finally leave Windows behind.

>>109418277
>these specs on a fucking mint
An angel with clipped wings

>>109418168
>windows makes 8%
what is ad revenue though. Windows is their main ad delivery platform.

>>109432940
>NOOOOOOOOOO NOT THE 1-2% PERFORMANCE DIFFERENCE THE HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>109433018
I mightve been overdramatic

>>109418141
does massgrave even use kms? thats the old activation method afaik

Just fucking install Linux already it's not that hard

It's painfully embarrassing how incompetent you all are that you don't understand the difference between a KMS activation and a HWID one. The only people using KMS activations are businesses that use it for volume activation. Anyone installing LTSC on their personal machine using MAS isn't using a KMS activation. If you're using LTSC at home this isn't going to affect you unless you're for some reason activating with a KMS server, which you're not.

This isn't an attempt to mitigate pirated copies of Windows. This is an attempt to force businesses to upgrade their existing hardware, that isn't using a TPM chip, to hardware that does have TPM. During a computer parts crisis. Anyone who has half a brain can see what Microsoft is doing.

>>109431863
That's kind of it. Really KMS is an activation method that allows businesses to store their licenses on a server and by having the individual clients phone home to that server at set intervals to obtain an activation licenses. The license isn't actually stored on the individual client and it's hosted on the KMS server. So, it's not really a tool for actually activating 100s of machines at once, you need other scripting tools to automate that, it's just where the actual licenses are stored for an organization that needs volume licensing.

And those licenses are different from your standard license, even for LTSC. KMS uses volume licenses as opposed to individual Enterprise licenses, so again, this doesn't actually affect individual users that activate Windows, LTSC included, using MAS since the two primary activation methods aren't using a KMS server. I do recall at one point that KMS was an option in MAS, but I think I remember them pulling it from the current version once OP was announced. I don't think it's an option anymore, but I haven't run MAS in more than three years when I built my last PC so I'm not 100% sure. I didn't even need to rerun it on either of my machines when I converted their Windows installs to LTSC from Pro or Enterprise or whatever version I originally installed. I was too lazy to do a clean install and I haven't had any issues since I did the conversion last year before they killed support for Win10.

>>109427810
The issue actually affected businesses that DO pay for volume licensing. They're now requiring these businesses to upgrade their infrastructure to have hardware that supports TPM, just so they can continue legally using the volume licenses that they actually paid for.

Windows LTSC is exclusively used by tech illiterate hipster retards baited into beliving that because there are less icons on your desktop/start menu on a fresh install that the OS has less telemetry / performs better.
All the same telemetry is there, there are no additional options, the performance is exactly the same. Admitting you use LTSC says a LOT about you as a person and none of it is positive.

>>109423970
>>109423978

how do you fix the fucking start button: when you press the start menu to open, then write for example calculator, and the fucking bing searches from the internet before giving you the fucking app? The most fucking annoying thing there fucking is

>>109432916
>Isnt 8% still a significant chunk
8% out of their total revenue is A LOT. But that number is just about sold licenses. Most private users get their PC with windows preinstalled, or they upgrade for free from 10 to 11 and pirates. What I'm trying to say is: Most people don't get new licenses, their desktop market is still very important, but more because of their own subscription products like office 365, Xbox, the ms store and of course the user data + ad revenue.

>>109433537
I use it on the instrument PCs at work. No reason for a lab PC which shouldn't be used for anything except controlling the machine next to it to have constant breaking updates and bloatware.
Already had to make sure some of them have no ethernet cables nearby and warnings not to connect them to the internet because users kept letting microshit update them and break the drivers and proprietary software the jewish manufacturers put on. Thank god we keep snapshots of each system.

>>109433537
I use LTSC IoT because that's what massgrave.dev told me to use

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>>109418141
Good thing I don't buy games from microsoft

>>109432916
try reading the next line you dumb 2 second attention span zoomer nigger

>>109418141
Nothingburger of the gayest calibre by Cuckoshaft.

>Rufus bypasses all checks (TPM, RAM, CPU)
>HWID activation via massgrave, cannot be fucked with by MS in any form
>TSforge also doesn't deal with KMS

>>109435207
Based

>>109435909
>>HWID activation via massgrave, cannot be fucked with by MS in any form
Don't think that is true

>>109435909
>I hate linux tinker trannies, look I only need to do 10 steps to tinker with windows and then install all my drivers

>>109435988
>10 steps
kek, nice try faggot

>4 checkboxes when building with Rufus
>one command to activate via HWID/TSforge
>drivers install themselves over WUpdate

linux bait used to be believable

>>109436111
>brand worshiping in 2026
Thank you for defending macrosoft online, saar 10 rupees to your bank account.
>mini trvke
You are following a brand, I'm following a movement.

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>>109436156
>I'm following a movement.
>techvegan admits his tranny revolution that exists only in his head
cant make this shit up

>>109436316
Okay let's stop. I don't want a fucking flame war, also stop bringing up indians and transgenders. Microsoft's CEO is Indian and the Xbox CEO is Indian. And Microsoft started all that DEI hire shit.

So keep your mouth shut, I'm a Linux "owner" and you are a Windows "user", I'll leave this conversation now, I don't want to get baited on a Sunday, fucking NEETs.

>>109418861
>frenchman on a family call with gramps, his sister and her new boyfriend

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>>109436348
>70% chance this post was written by an indian

>>109436392
NTA (no samefag)
>Produced by Indians
vs
>Used by Indieans
Enjoy your slopware.

>>109418141
Who cares? I'm using 10 LTSC IoT until 2032, that's more than enough time to decide which Linux distro I'm going to use.

>>109418516
It's not the bed of roses what the shills are claiming. You need to understand the stack, dxvk, vkd3d, nvapi, wine, proton, umu-run, window manager exceptions, vkbasalt, mangohud, gamescope. I'm not even joking, this is how it looks for me.

So I can't KMS anymore? What do I do now?

>>109436483
>dxvk, vkd3d, nvapi, wine, proton, umu-run, window manager exceptions, vkbasalt, mangohud, gamescope. I'm not even joking, this is how it looks for me.
I don't know what half of these are, but I'm using Gnu/Linux for 3 years now.

>>109436496
nobody with a brain has bothered with KMS for a decade
HWID is infinitely easier and more reliable

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>>109418277
>NVIDIA on Linux
>A 5090, no less

>>109436483
Weird how I just open Steam or Heroic and I dont have to deal with knowing any of that

>>109436348
>I don't want to get baited on a Sunday, fucking NEETs.
Then don't post

>>109436483
>stack,nvapi,umu-run, window manager exceptions, vkbasalt, mangohud, gamescope
Nope.
>dxvk, vkd3d
Same as windows for most stuff.
>wine, proton
This is the only thing and they are practically the same minus obscure shit that won't even run on windows.

>>109418301
Why did the incompetents get so mad at this? My system works perfectly just know what you're doing and don't run random scripts.

>>109437753
probably because winfaggots spam
>It just works

When it does not just work, that's a lie.
>posted from my tinker trannied windows install

>>109436496
Anon life is worth living, just don't do it

>>109423970
>>109423978
wintroons will do absolutely anything but clicking through a linux installer and then clicking "install" on proton.

>>109435962
>Don't think that is true
TSforge is transparent and doesn't touch files, it's basically a silver bullet for LTSC. The fuck is Microsoft gonna do about it?

>lincucks trying this hard to convince Wintards to switch

keks were had

>>109439068
>keks were had
are you afraid?

>>109439068
I'm not. I hope you stay far away from linux, we're full enough as it is.

>>109436483
>gamescope
Get with the times old man, we use falcond now

>>109418168
>windows makes up 8% of MS's revenue
>their only actual product that people use
>only 8% of their revenue
the economy is fake

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>>109418413
>zey laf vhile zey kan
>but not for long

>https://linuxiac.com/eu-age-verification-project-mandates-hardware-bound-attestation/
>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49148128

>They patched that too.

Not possible. Wipe the drive. There is zero excuse for failure to understand how to perform a clean install when the info predates your life.

You had time to game but didn't study Windows? The fuck is wrong with you "people"?

>>109439240
its too late dude. the flood of normalfags already took over. see wayland for evidence.
inb4
oh nvm you are the normalfags.

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>>109418301
You know what takes even less time? Installing Arch.

>>109423970
>using linux requires jumping through too many hoops windows is so much easier all you have to do is [WALL OF TEXT]
roflmao

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>>109423978
THERE'S MORE?
>there's more

>>109418168
>ms doesn't care
No shit sherlock. Only fucking retards would think they do. The only thing a license unlocks is personalization anyway. You don't need to activate windows at all ever as a non business plebian.

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>>109439240
>said the troon that cant stop shilling his techvegan cult 400 times daily

>>109418861
What would Uncle Ted make of this conditioning?
Its bad enough baby monitors could get hacked
Your child needs GPS? Give them a paper map.
They have phones at the school they can use to call for emergency purposes
Shit your local bar has one if your cell dies and can't get it juice'd

>>109418141
>companies
nothing burger

>>109418141
Shit I didn't activate ltsc on all my machines yet. How fucked am I?

>>109446482
>How fucked am I?
Not at all, just get rufus and Gnu/Linux of your choice.

>>109446482
You aren't since MAS has removed KMS activation as an option months ago in anticipation for this. No one really used it anyway so it's not huge loss. HWID and TSforge don't use KMS so this doesn't affect people using MAS. What this does impact are businesses that use older hardware, which is a significant portion, that also use volume licensing. KMS is just a way to store Windows licences on a server as opposed to directly on the client. Business use KMS as a way to license out their fleet of Windows machines throughout their office. This is going to require them to shell out the money for up to date hardware that supports TPM in order to keep using the volume licenses they actually paid for.

Tldr: this isn't an anti piracy mitigation like Microsoft is claiming, it's a way to force businesses to buy hundreds of new computers that have TPM chips. At the height of a computer component crisis. I wonder if its the hardware manufacturers pushing Microsoft to do this or if they're just going full retard by deliberately fucking over their paying customers. They don't make much revenue from the sale of consumer Windows licenses. They make the majority of their money from companies buying volume licenses. That's why Microsoft doesn't give a fuck about MAS. It doesn't affect their bottom dollar enough to justify bringing them down.

>>109443376
>One-time tinkertrooning session vs a lifelong tinkertrooning subcription

>>109418141
>Personal PC activations remain unchanged.
Mean it doesn't matter to me.

>>109419100
92% of the fucking world

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>I don't have to learn Linux or pay the Mac Tax, I can just use LTSC

>>109442329
When the cyber 9/11 happens, governments will suddenly all independently reach the conclusion that only devices with TPMs and approved OSes should be allowed online. Your ISP will do an attestation check, and if you fail it you'll be limited to dial-up speeds.

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>>109446878
personal pc activations mean hwid retard
kms is specifically how most people did it because it's the most reliable way that doesn't phone to microsoft
meanwhile with hwid your activation status hinges entirely on microsoft not erasing your id from their big ledger of activated windows machines and pinging your pc to stop it

>>109418301
>tinkerfags
just install linux lole

>>109449544
>meanwhile with hwid your activation status hinges entirely on microsoft not erasing your id from their big ledger of activated windows machines and pinging your pc to stop it
That's why I think it's all a big honeypot and all the people who used hwid activation will be arrested when the time comes

>>109446803
Basically Microsoft making businesses see the light and switch to Linux and free software.

Which should have been the industry standard AGES ago, just like the server segment fully embraced Linux.

Okay but I can't use the Hammer++ editor on Linux even through Proton/wine and a bunch of other modding tools I need are all windows only and crash on Linux, so I don't gaf

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>>109418141
And how does this affect me and my standard win 10 edition with no updates?

>>109450384
it means that they're requiring that kms activation servers will need to pass microsoft attestation
which will effectively eliminate cracked kms activations

you will need to sign your hardware id into microsoft's servers and they will ping it for validity, they can easily revoke it too

>>109450617
I never activated windows 10. How does this actually effect me and my standard win 10 edition with no updates?

>>109451206
You mean you can handle the humiliation ritual Microsoft is putting you through?

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>>109418141
>you didn't link your Microsoft/Outlook/Xbox email to any payment method, right anon? ... right?
Why would anyone in their right mind ever give a credit card number to Microsoft?

Anything Microsoft I ever use is paid by my boss.

>>109423445
>blocklist
kys

>>109418585
if they did a w11 pro key wouldnt be $5 second hand

>>109425807
duh, obviously

>>109418141
>you didn't link your Microsoft/Outlook/Xbox
my what now

>>109419002
Why tho? I run a similar setup not as great as the other anon tho and love mint as it just werks. Maybe recompile the Nvidia driver every now and then but that's it, it does what I want. But I'm open to Dualboot into another Linux any time.

>>109423445
Do you think that the HWID register is just listing all the valid keys and when your pc asks to be revalidated it just searches that file?
Fuck no, it's Microsoft, you can bet your fucking ass they have a file just for you that makes it easy to id you
They don't collect all that telemetry for nothing

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>>109418141
based microjeet ceo reminds wincucks who's their bvll.

>>109418231
>LTSC doesn't have all that bullshit enabled
There is literally a "Connected User Experience and Telemetry" service running per default in LTSC.
LTSC is trimmed down for usage in low performances IoT devices, it's not a no-spyware version.
The Windows 10 Chinese Government Edition is the one and only currently supported Windows that actually required from Microsoft to rip out the Spyware. No connection to Microsoft being made by it.

>>109446834
>a lifelong tinkertrooning subcription
Yeah, redoing all the shit after windows update reverts the group policy changes KEK
Meanwhile I might have to fix a package conflict twice a year, you niggers told me this is the worst distro for longterm yet it just works?

>>109418141
>>109418141
Just start a business and buy a legit copy.

>>109459417
It's not the worst. Arch is just the most visible among normalfags now thanks to Valve.
install gentoo

>>109418141
They've already implemented the ultimate anti-piracy solution: make software so bad that you don't want it even for free.

>>109418141
Who is installing Windows anyways? Everyone shits on it, but it's still one of the most pirated OSes.

>>109455319
Nothing wrong with Mint, it's just a more conservative distro and AFAIK wayland is still experimental. But you should be fine with a recent kernel and up to date gpu drivers. I don't think it matters too much, but I feel like KDE or GNOME would be better, with proper wayland support. But true, Mint just werks.

>>109439426
Azure's user base is almost as big as AWS, 25% vs 31%.

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>>109418141
am i not understanding something?

>>109459642
china
the chinese love their pirated windows
don't forget the panda burning incense virus from XP days

>>109459885
The tpm requirement is not for you
It's for KMS activation servers
along with them cracking down on cracked KMS servers by requiring attestation this means they're basically dead
Now you have to activate through hwid which is basically telling Microsoft you're doing it
that means

>>109460007
Those who pirated 7, then upgraded for free to 10, then to 11 have no problems.

>>109460007
>that means
What does it mean?! You have to tell us!

>>109459532
Jokes on you this only affects businesses that purchase volume licensing.

>>109427799
massgrave has been working this whole time