>built the app over the course of a few months>released, launched, looks and runs good>now have to become a sales/marketing sleazebag in order to get any usersI'm a bit frozen in place, builderbrain isn't made for salesbrain
>>109437360That's why you have to find someone ruthless to market your app before you develop it. You failed at step zero.Sorry to say programmers are not fit to market anything.
>>109437368definitely seems like this is one of the biggest reasons why most tech startups fail, outside of just not having any product fit at all. Engineerbrain and salesbrain have very little overlap and someone has to do that jewy side of things. I'm going to start email campaigns tomorrow but I'm dreading the angry boomer responses to spam lol
>>109437360Could be worse. Ive spent like 1k on claude building my app/toolset only to realise im the only spaz that would want it
>>109437483Well we gotta take our shots brother. Drop down to the $20/mo Codex sub and use 5.6 sol on high, keep plugging
>>109437360Code is cheap nowMarketing and business acumen is the new moat
>>109437360>another working-class mongoloid discovers that marketing, sales, and management was the hard work all along
People in marketing and sales would sell off their own family if it would benefit the company. If you aren't willing to do that or something similar you're just not fit for the job.
>>109437483The skills I am trying to develop is using claude free tier only. Keep projects small and manageable, build interfaces and modules that snap together rather than entire projects, etc etc.
>>109437522that's why AI has unleashed all these new unicorns held back by lack of a technical founderUnicorns like...Um..Like...hmmmm
How does one even market stuff? Do you just have to be a psycho and get in everyone face?
>>109437637mind games, social engineering, cold approaches, 0 fear of rejection
>>109437545>product fitBuilding the pipeline and adjusting to change is the hard work, regular marketing and management is not hard, you cannot call it hard work, because it is not.
>>109437382>definitely seems like this is one of the biggest reasons why most tech startups failIf we ignore just outright bad business ideas yeah in my experience pretty much. The ones that don't fail because their business idea is the equivalent to setting off fireworks in a public park and then charging people in the area that saw it often fail because they have no one that knows how to sell their product to the right customers.One of the best examples are medical and lab equipment software support, there are huge niches that in theory are wide open to anyone, in practice unless you have someone that gets you an in into those industries (not the manufacturer side the business customer side) you'd get fucking nowhere.
>>109437360>>now have to become a sales/marketing sleazebag in order to get any usersyou're supposed to find out if there's an appetite for your product before you spend months and years building it.
>>109437483>only to realise im the only spaz that would want itWhat kind of app? Surely there's at least some demand, especially if it's a niche that has not been covered often.
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>>109439381A local TTS app that has every system on it, that also saves character datasets in a way it can auto setup a voice on every system at once. Some engines are better than others for certain voices or project styles, but its hard for me to keep track of which engine is the best for X or Y voice.
>>109437554oh that explains the current state of the world. we should all kill salesmen
>>109441653That doesn't sound bad. The issue with TTS is that these days the market is oversaturated as fuck, it's hard to stand out no matter what you make.
>>109438161This. >>109437360op, no need for Opus here. Go onto free lmao ChatGPT and ask it why "build it and they will come" is a poor strategy for biz. Then ask it about agile new product development. Then explain the app to it, and have it roleplay your VP Marketing and Sales and have it explain to you how to sell it... ask for a Go To Market strategy. Then fire up Openclaw / Hermes and give the job to it to doezpzThen
>>109441776My issue was that Ive been collecting voice datasets since 11labs came out, but testing each one on new systems as they come out is a huge time sink.That plus I hate almost all AI audio/speech that I hear in AI videos and commercials.With this, you make a good base audio file for a character, pic sub variants of that file like the best 10sec, 30sec, 60sec, and then it auto sets up the voice for each system, generates variants to preview, and then you can save the engine you want as that characters default, and share the best presets.I figure with how many datasets I have, I can make a cast with enough variety that also work really well and dont sound like shit, I can market it that way.Plus, you can put in an anime, itl clean audio and split datasets by character, link them to their original voice actor, and saves manually doing 95% of the work.I dont know if this is just overkill bespoke software for me, or whether other people would like it.
>>109437368>you cant be a lying jeet tier spammer thefore you... le failed!get a job 3rd worlder stop posting your fantasies on 4chan.
>>109441707Indeed
>>109437483>Ive spent like 1k on claude building my app/toolset>not thinking that anyone interested in a toolset is going to vibe their ownwhat did you honestly expect?
>>109444812People being lazier than me?
>>109444891people lazier than you arent going to invest in a TOOLSET, they are going to spend money on someone else USING the toolset to produce x thing
>>109445199>on someone else USING the toolset to produce x thingYes, thats who im looking for, but I wasnt going to sell it, just release for free and hope people contribute. I also have a giant dataset thats worthwhile for people shopping around for quality voices.For all the AI generals, there's no synthetic speech/tts/sts general partially because zeroshot needs good starter material,and I stopped sharing when my mega links used to be everywhere.The early days of 11labs skit threads were the best
>>109437706>Building the pipeline and adjusting to change is the hard workIt is work. It might be hard, but it might not> regular marketing and management is not hardlol> you cannot call it hard work, because it is not.10xlolObv not easy for op or this dumb thread wouldn't exist.
>>109437637Depends on what you're building and whom the ideal customer is. If it's b2b then you find people who might have a use for your tool and you contact them cold, or meet them at relevant conference, or check if someone you know might know someone who needs your tool. You then have a chat about what they currently use to do the task (manual or with a competitor of yours) and you discuss what are the current strengths and weaknesses of the approach. You're supposed to do that BEFORE You build but anyway. At the end you go 'by the way I have this tool, wanna try it? It does XYZ that you said were pain points for you and there's a fully refundable (within 3 months) yearly commit to try it out". You'll sufficiently often get yes's that you'll start getting traction, and you go from there: eventually at least one client will be in love with you and your product and evangelize it to everyone else in the world for you. That's typically how you get clients ~5 through 10 or so. After that you pivot from scale and position as a more serious company and target medium-sized companies and start talks for your first big customer.For b2c you can try viral marketing, paid influencers, patreons, shilling on forums (like notch did) or other approaches of that type. If you don't like it, you have to do organic or pseudo-organic: present a demo video or a full demo on redd!t or orange redd!t and "get feedback". See who sticks around and who leaves and optimize based on this.
>>109442899So there are tons of ways you can use this. You're thinking about it purely as a software offering, but you could also use it as part of a consultancy kind of deal (people come to you to generate voiced assets and you use these tools to generate them, think voice overs or dubs etc.). You can make this part of another bigger project (think generating demo videos for products or answering calls to some extent).If you want it to be more b2c oriented, consider making fun demos. How about a choir with fully ai-generated voices? First scene: full choir. Second scene: single members of the choir singing solo lines. Third scene: full composition. Final scene: call-to-action.Text at the bottom throughout all scenes should explain what you're showing in the usual nuMarketing style. These kinds of demos are designed to be sharable and to entertain even laymen. It's how you get brand recognition and get people to try it and shit. Doesn't have to be practical, it's the same idea of all the robots doing little dances when actually they're selling to assembly line companies.
