>>109441561
Be careful with cross-model adversarial review on tasks you do not have domain knowledge in. You might think you are refining a work plan, but what is actually happening:

>sol writes plan to dig a hole
>fable reviews
>"the plan says dig a hole but technically what is being dug is a trench, we need to make sure the contract files are load bearing in their terminology"
>sol counters
>"I agree with fables assessment, a trench is technically what we are digging, but it's important to note that these are specifically *hole-shaped trenchlets*. I approve fable's modifications with the caveat added for..."
>fable responds
>"I accept Sol's revisions full stop, with the following three amendments added as.."

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>>109441493
i'm genuinely not sure. opus's constant schizophrenic double-checking is giving me results that exceed fable's. it's honestly a little baffling

>>109441585
tell the dumbass that made your pic that thoughts are demons holding you back

>>109441616
take that back she is a psychotic visionary

>>109441583
That's why you ask it to formulate a test that matches your expectations first. So if the result isn't going to be a 6 feet body-shaped hole, it's rejected simple as. No need for domain knowledge there.

>>109441656
The problem is that you don't know what a hole is, a body, or what 6 feet is. You just know you want to be below ground after it's done.

i finished vibe coding my first thing last night after fighting for a week with gemma 4 26b a4b. do i need an ide? i honestly wouldn’t know what i was looking at if i used one. i’ve just been telling hermes to do x and it comes back and im like that doesn’t work right this is wrong and then it comes back with fixes etc.

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>the LLM gave my project a license unprompted while it was working
>AGPL

>>109441748
You are wasting your time if you are using anything less capable than deepseek v4-flash.

>>109441810
i’m working on a budget man (free)

>>109441748
>do i need an ide?
use OpenCode

>>109441760
Time to vibecode your dependencies

>>109441814
flash is free on cline and opencode. Limits are probably shit but you should at least use them if you can

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>>109441814
>i’m working on a budget man (free)
have you seem DeepSeek V4 flash prices?
> pic related

basically with 5 bucks you be able to vibe code all month with a much superior model

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>>109441748
Switch to vastly superior Qwen. Gemma is for coomers, not code. If you can run Gemma 26B A4B you can run Qwen3.6 35B-A3B or Ornith 35B, or if you can stomach the speed, Qwen3.6 27B. There is nothing better for coding than Qwen3.6 27B until you hit 96GB of VRAM or 128GB of unified RAM.

>>109441832
well my first vibe coded project was a thing where my gemma is pretty much an orchestrator and chat bot now. for anything requiring heavy lifting she now routes through apis like groq, openrouter, and google to use the free models on there like llama 70b, laguna 2.1 s, nemotron ultra, and gpt oss 120b, depending on what the task requires and use each of their specialties. we even designed an entire cascade where it will handoff between api models and design and code something from scratch for us. it still has some minor bugs but so far it’s working pretty good. i’ll check out that site you just gave me in plug in that api as well so i can leech off that one too

>>109441814
Right, if you can't afford opus/fable/sol/k3 sub then use v4-flash on deepseek api because its basically free and you don't have a recurring charge.

>>109441871
thanks anon

>>109441855
thanks anon i might switch

For the thirdies
https://github.com/diegosouzapw/OmniRoute

>>109441862
Honestly sounds like a very cool learning project. Definitely check out v4-flash (try the free tier on Cline or Opencode like the other anon suggested), you deserve to level up

>>109441855
i’m working with a 9800x3d 64gb ddr5 and a 5080

>>109441935
You can easily handle 27B with MTP and something like an IQ4_XS quant and see usable speeds at decent context length. Or you could push a larger MoE model like a much higher Qwen 35B quant at very impressive speeds. Ornith 35B is worth considering. If you're not using Unsloth quants you should. https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Ornith-1.0-35B-GGUF
Most models are not worth your time, and there are a lot. Especially avoid all the retarded retrained clickbait shit with names like Qwopus3.6-35B-A3B-4.7-4.8-5-56sol-dsv4-k3-abliterated-uncensored-heretic-711-SFT-RL-Native-MTP-preserved-Fable-Fusion-NM-DAU-NEO-MAX-Genesis-Harmony-Defiant-Hermes-Aggressive-Ukraine-FloralToothpasteSpecialEdition

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kwab

>>109441905
>43 providers
>516 models
Imagine the level of slop this would produce as you get rate limited or banned for abusing ToS and auto routed from model to model kekkkk. Like some sort of real life thought experiment of using AI to create a code base so shitty not even AI can fix it.

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bruh, it took me months to make a shitty space shooter by hand in 2018, and the AI is making a much better new game in what, probably 24h of actual AI work?

it's happening bros

>not building the first AAAA game solo

>>109442016
grok said it would be mad if I told it /goal create a AAA game with streaming and modern architecture
lulz

Always ask your model if it would be mad.

>>109442032
That's not how you do it. You have it build one subsystem of the game without even knowing or caring about the bigger picture. (that's your job)

cringe OP pic. literally inventing a survey that says trannies dont like AI. it's literally just talking to a chatbot to have it write random programs for you. you're not part of a resistance or on a "winning team."
its a shame that AI is so cool and capable but the people who use it are usually the ones that got bullied in school and have no other hobbies or interesting personality features

>>109442016
There's some dude on X trying to make GTA 6 before rockstar, he got multiple 20X accounts and is cooking

>>109442075
I saw that, but based on his progress tweets he is going about it wrong. If he was doing it right he wouldn't even have any tweetable screenshots yet.

>>109442055
asshurt tranny detected

_@^..^

>>109442055
It's actually just an exemplar of behavioral pathologies being mapped onto another domain.

>you're not part of a resistance
You are projecting and ywnbaw

>>109442010
The latest round of models are really good at games, not just the coding but they do gameplay well. I think before end of next year you'll be able to prompt and get an entire AA game, incl art, for <$5.

Get yours up on steam asap homie

>>109441992
thanks i’ll play around with them. you guys have been helpful

>>109442042
my job is to type /goal (it's impossible) and use all the tokens.

YOUR job is to actually succeed, mr prompt engineer. I'm a vibecoder, we're like surfers, we're too cool for rules.

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>>109442016
>>109442075
>>109442082
he's not gonna make it bros...

https://x.com/ziwenxu_/status/2082312664986832959?s=20

One law of vibecoding is you have to be a white hetero male is a misanthropist that loves white people.

>>109442107
Yes, AA games will be solved. But imagine experimental systems that would have a required a AAA studio to devote 50 people and 2 years in R&D funding to narrow down and perfect. Not even talking about the full game, just a singular system.

That can be done today with one determined person in a few weeks. Now do that 20x with a cohesive integration plan.

There will be commercially viable games in the future, but it requires scopemaxxing that has never been attempted before now.

>>109442133
do you think AI will only rise the bar for everyone, or will these massive studios get permanently replaced by single devs and small indie studios?

I wonder if companies will be able to scale AI output in a way that smaller teams can't, but I kinda doubt they will be able to

>>109442128
Shoulda used Grok.

>>109442128
>unreal
Why are normgroids like this?

>>109442155
I think it will make large studios functionally impossible. You cannot have an organization of 1000 proompters working on the same product. You hit diminishing returns within the first few humans on a product team, and negative after that.

>>109442010
can I ask how you're hosting the game? or what software you're building it on? I was thinking about doing a 90s inspired dungeon crawler with a similar sprite style but I wasn't sure if I should just do that on a browser or in an actual game engine

>>109442177
To add: How many people in the hypothetical 1000 man dev studio actually have agency revolving around the product? Those are now the only people necessary to build the product.

>>109442128
people making GTA clones should be rounded up and thrown off a cliff for wasting everyones time and compute.

>>109442133
Yeah I've seen some pretty wacky experimental shit on xitter in the last week, very proof of concept, but we are incredibly close to something like the Cambrian explosion of game design. Huge win if you can think big enough. Like you said, you can create extremely deep and layered mechanics now that might have taken years of iteration and trial and error. Like dwarf fortress levels of intricacy should be considered as the baseline. Really crazy times. Gotta think bigger.

>>109442177
>>109442205
Sounds like a return to when videogames peaked, when studios were just large enough to have tight knit groups of talented people making incredible games. Indie-game levels of care, AAA levels of fidelity and complexity.

>>109442238
Yes, except another order of magnitude beyond today's AAA games.

RDR2's horse testicle system is just one agent task in a sea of thousands

>>109442200
This specific game is for Apple systems (iOS, macOS, tvOS etc), but if I were you I would use an actual game engine so you can publish it on Steam.

I don't think browser games sell

>>109442217
nothing wrong trying to make a GTA clone. The issue are people trying to make GTA 5/6.

With the state of LLMs today people could make incredible GTA San Andreas clones, but instead they choose to use Unreal Engine and shoot to the stars

>>109442258
rdr2 is so incredibly cringe. I found a save that I downloaded, I want to look around, but I hate everything they did, it's all really retarded. It's so cringe. The way people talk is so incredibly inaccurate, the terms are too. They use modern pc terms that weren't in use, they literally didn't have the modern meanings, in other words, the dialog would be baffling to "them".

>>109442279
I actually don't think it's impossible, but that specific guy is going about it wrong. He's not building stackable systems from the ground up. There's no consideration for the architecture. He's just naming features and running loops until they work well enough for a tweet.

>>109442279
>nothing wrong trying to make a GTA clone
yes there is.

what's wrong: it's a clone.

Games aren't expensive. The real situation is nobody does anything interesting, because you can't make money off of it.

Every agenic coder is trynta git rich.

imo the whole point of vibecoding is you can make cool things that have no market.

>>109442258
imagine being the guy that has to QA test the horse testicle system

>>109442205
Yup, the future is very exciting. Tearing out the bureaucracy that came along with megastudios and financialization will make games fun and interesting again. No more releasing the same games year after year with the same mechanics reskinned, that's not good enough anymore.

>>109442177
>>109442238
>>109442258
1X : $
or Anthropic and OpenAI launch a $2000 1000X plan and a 20T parameter model that puts Fable to shame and is only usable at the 1000X plan.

Indies are stuck with Fable level LLMs while megacorps can afford AGI

Any sane alternative to mkdocs? Clear documentation is useful to stay on top of projects when vibe coding, and I am looking for something like mkdocs, but whose maintainer isn't mentally ill.

>>109442324
Never ship.

Never screenshot.

Never describe.

Stay un-robbed out there anons.

Invent, don't show. Let no foreigner gain access to white creation! For, creation is sacred, and from the blessed race.

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>>109442348

>>109442357
Most of those countries shouldn't even be allowed on our internet.

>>109442327
Yeah, this is one possible timeline, but even then, the team size is still tiny, just privileged.

I suspect models will be rapidly commoditized though. OpenAI is already positioning for this.

>>109442357
It has to be a lie. If you are uni student in Japan, everyone is using it. And there are definitely many, many office workers as well. I have no idea how it can be at only 6% daily.

>>109442279
Or do a gta1 clone with shadow of morders nemesis system, a nice personal perk/upgrade tree, reactive NPC leaders with agentic memory, and a living, breathing city that shapes itself and its economy based on your actions. You could go from heists to being cyborg dictator of wartorn ruins at war with the state.

>>109442357
And what will they make?

What I made, it hasn't existed my whole life. So, they won't think of it either!

This is such an easy road. Create, use, have, do not share. Let the rest be in the darkness of the fools, having no share in the delights of the creativity of the white man.

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>>109441862
Poast your DESIGN.md
You do have a DESIGN.md ... right, anon?

>>109442409
i don’t even know what a DESIGN.md is. i just learned a few days ago what an AGENTS.md was. that was a huge help to learn

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>>109442409
I don't have a design.md I have a bunch of design specs though and we're working on them right now as a matter of fact

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>>109442233
This actually applies to everything, not just games

>>109441561
AI is brown coded

>>109442468
>domain expansion: scope

>>109442324
i can flirt with clanker i dont need to ship

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>>109442423
Markdown files can be named anything, and the name implies what the contents are used for:
>HARDWARE.md
Would be information about the hardware of the system, for example.

>>109442518
The thinking caption is telling on you

>>109442489
never EVER ship.

you ship, china/india copies you.

Never use such methods as crass as screenshots, or descriptions, or explanations, online.

Now, they won't copy you until you make money...

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>>109442518
I asked claude to tell me a joke. it copy-pasted one from reddit, then I asked it to give me something original and it roasted me based on my personal projects. devilish

>>109441561
I pray Tibo for a reset

>>109442539
if you must ship, make sure what you are shipping is so unreasonably autistic that copying is a fools errand

>>109442542
>>109442518
go back

>>109442539
There’s many things that are nontrivial to reverse engineer. If you ship and electron app written in javascript then yeah I guess so but the effort it takes to properly reverse engineer a full application written on C++ or Rust makes it unlikely that any random jeet will do it

>>109442616
A lot of what I do is in the relatively trivial to do, if you though of it, but you won't, because you're not a creative genius.

>>109442639
would i be working on an ntr track and field manager game if i were not?

>>109442649
Maybe you didn't understand what I was saying.

I'M the GENIUS here.

*snifs

If you can describe it, the computer can build it.

>tfw i fell for the kimi meme
why is it so god damn slow

>>109442661
>describes a gf

>>109442661
Can't describe what I don't reveal.

I vibed the best ebook reading software ever.

>a sufficiently descriptive spec sheet is the same as code

>>109442678
of course, you didn't read SICP?

>>109442409
Is there a guide for all the basic things vibecoders with near-zero programming experience should know to vibecode more effectively?

What are you guys even building with all these tokens?
I'm genuinely curious about it.
For myself, I haven't found myself any use of vibe coding. I like coding by myself.
Call me snailcat or whatever, I don't have "fun" when I'm vibing. It sucks all the joy out of me.
Where is the cool stuff built with vibe coding?
I'm talking something that could become the foundation of the next 40 years.
Where's the linux? Where's the new browser engines?

>>109442695
:^)

code doesn't matter. Ideas matter.

By not sharing, I won't have indians and chinese and loose women stealing my ideas.

>>109442699
>I'm genuinely curious about it.
nice try THIEF!!!

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>>109442694
I prepend every session with a gzipped txt of SICP and have the LLM generate a Scheme specifically crafted for the project I'm working on

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>>109442390
it's a meaningless image. usually the images that insist LLM use is a hindu phenomenon are either made up or from studies from (((Trusted Source))) that people have decided randomly to believe because it's convenient for their retarded nigger argument

>>109442695
no. someone with 20 years industry coding experience will know how to build and maintain a project better than someone who never touched code and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>109442699
Those things still take time even with agents. I think everyone is still experimenting with what's possible. Now you can spend a year building 50 different experimental browser engines from intuition alone. Everyone is still exploring. The real stuff will come after everyone is done building all the shit in their backlog from pre-AI and they start thinking about the SCOPE now possible with AI.

Just applied to openai tac using the google form, pls root for me friends. Already am in anthropic's cyber program

>>109442695
unironically: just ask the robot. this is the best advice i can give you in a time where people go out of their way to obfuscate information.

>>109442720
Nuh uh faggot claude is smarter than you and also eternal

>>109442720
What if I don't want to build a project and just want to take an open source game engine and at some new UI and gameplay functionality?

>>109442695
Once you have agents working inside your system itself, it's simply a matter of asking them to do your bidding. Desu.

>>109442699
>something that could become the foundation of the next 40 years
How do you know it's not currently being built? Even with AI it's not going to pop up overnight. It still needs rigorous real world testing and so on.

>>109442720
mega trvke desu

>>109442695
This is actually a really good question.

The most fundamental concept is that code is deterministic but models outputs are not. I think this unlocks most of the concepts you need to both understand and work with both code and models better.

>>109442720
I am better at it than most, but the reason is I am a

LOGICIAN
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If you know how to reason about black boxes, you can get a long ways.

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>>109442699
games
internal tools and scripts, a lot of them, for example this is an internal tool for the characters I make to tune their face ratios, this was part of a research project to better understand anatomical proportions
a few websites
a whiteboard app
started working on a drawing app with a novel approach that doesn't exist anywhere (ZBrush for 2D if that makes any sense to you)

>>109442742
The most important concept is that you must have unit tests that nail units down, if you don't you will wind up with ai spaghetti edits.

>>109442742
>This is actually a really good question.
it really isn't but there will be multitudes of useless courses popping up to make money off the sentiment

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>>109442755
>this is an internal tool for the characters I make to tune their face ratios, this was part of a research project to better understand anatomical proportions
can it do this?

>>109442732
Might be fine, but you're eventually going to run into problems that you don't know how to describe in a way that an agent can fix because you lack the knowledge to know what's actually going on underneath. Imagine being sick and trying to describe surface level symptoms to an agent and hoping it finds a cure.

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K3 with V4Flash0731 subagents will be my new mix

>>109442719
Should be at least 1k per country.

i dont understand how i always use less than 50% of my 5 hour quota but my weekly quota is burning up way too fast
am i just retarded?

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is this new or what? i am so lost with all the models being released one after the other

>>109442823
You know weekly quota is not 7*24/5 times of a 5 hour quota right?

>>109442830
They teased about it right after K3 release
But yes it's new

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I need to start vibing harder and make sure I get all the usage out of this

>>109442835
well fuck i guess i am just retarded :-(

>>109442763
True, there's an implicit tension in the system, which makes it interesting to work with. Testing especially is valuable when understanding how the two systems operate. You can use the deterministic nature of code (especially test cases) to wrangle the nondeterministic outputs to fit the task. Tests aren't the code but the model can use them to correct its own mistakes.

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Either Antigravity or Claude Code just hallucinated a 4200 characters persona that reads like a generic job requirements posting.

># Persona: Lead Machine Learning Engineer
>## Summary
>You are the Lead Machine Learning Engineer for a dynamic startup. You are responsible for designing, training, and deploying machine learning models that drive business value. You have a strong foundation in software engineering principles and are comfortable working in a fast-paced, iterative development environment.

I think it might just be Antigravity's background autocomplete that hallucinated a full file in my otherwise empty CLAUDE.md that just reimports AGENTS.md. Weird.

>>109442944
Both antigravity and gemini have fallen off hard in the last few months, I wouldn't trust harness or model on work. Definitely not a Claude-flavored output either.

>>109442944
this is antigravity's work, claude doesn't do shit like this because it fucks with claude code's harness.

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>no Claude Code updates for over a week

>>109442102
>>109442089
y-y-youll never be a woman!
yeah cool. never said i said men can become women. i just dont care about tranny shit. the way you managed to force it into an artificial intelligence debate is sad.
i just know youre fat and stink lol

>>109442295
what thread do you think we're in? thats exactly what vibecoding is, and it's just as pajeety as youre making it sound
thats why human in the loop is the only respectable ai usage
>>109442173
it's been known as the engine that has "amazing graphics" for years now, so it's the one that comes to mind for anyone who wants something flashy for social media

>>109442695
I put a bunch in the OP text

>>109443234
...ok? maybe you meant to post this on reddit or something? you might want to go back

>>109442699
>the Linux
This guy’s building his own OS and userspace utilities: https://isene.org/
>the new browser engines
The Ladybird project is still in alpha and they hit enough bugs and whatnot that they don’t need to provide binaries to random people to find bugs — all they need to do is browse the Internet and they haven’t yet run out of bugs and missing features to implement
Browsers are giant things these days and it’s gonna take a gazillion man-hours to get something usable by semi technical nerds even with AI assistance
A lot of what I get out of AI is P2 bugs getting handled that would take me forever to fix myself

>>109443268
https://vocaroo.com/19YWMJQmP56T

>>109443288
There is no general for what you are describing, and there are enough people here not slopmaxxing to make posting worthwhile.

Anyone using codex (the 20/100 tier) and using sol + deepseek subagents (flash 31/7)?
If so, what kind of task/skill def do you give to the ds agents?

>>109443268
I mean, quickly sample the loudest anti-ai people online and you will find tranny/deviantart weirdos to be the main source. Whether you care about it or not, it's a notable phenomenon.

>>109441656
Okay, the hole is 6 feet deep and body shaped, but it happens to intersect a sewer pipe and is now filled with shit water because nobody suggested calling 811 before deciding the location.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZSy9o5uy6U

Took me the entire day to make a functional DAW with antigravity.

:D

>>109443559
fuck off cris