Man I just realized SBC-XQ is a thing and here I was struggling with picking headphones based on what stupid proprietary codecs they happen to have. This is so useful wtf.

>>109444563
help me understand this CSD vs SSD shit. Apparently, gtk apps (like my beloved thunar) must use CSD now and thats why they all have this ugly title bar

On the other hand, some DEs (like KDE, or hyprland) manage to get them to use SSD instead, how is that even possible?

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>>109444519
well it was about my confusion with div vs custom

>>109444856
Anything can be an html tag. The only difference is that some tags have predefined functionality and CSS styles. A <div> and a <span> are just the most basic tags with very minimal styling. They make for good baselines especially for layouts, which is why you see them plastered everywhere.
Aside from some semantics and querying differences, a custom tag like your <example2> is effectively just a <span>. Which is why you needed to make it a "display: block;" as otherwise it would be an inline element.

>>109444844
As usual with this kinda shit it's the GNOME team's fault. They wanted header bars uniform across everything ergo other GTK binaries follow it too. KWin and Wayland WMs use xdg-decoration by default which allows for SSD requests that overwrite it.

>>109444844
To be clear, what >>109445038 is talking about could be implemented by GNOME too, they just refuse to do so because their retarded developers can't figure out how to draw window decorations in the compositor.

Clients are not required to use SSDs, indeed some applications for a long time didn't implement decorations at all which meant on GNOME you got a window dialogue with no decorations. Nowadays there is a horrible hack called libdecor that dynamically adds client side rendered decorations for apps that don't want to implement this directly.

>>109445038
>They wanted header bars uniform across everything
That's the exact use case for SSD.

>>109445162
You're right, wanting them to be uniform is a BS excuse that doesn't add up. The real reason they love them is because it lets them add custom buttons and menu bars, etc, into the title bar in a way that server side rendering it doesn't easily allow for.

The worst thing about this is if you have any custom buttons configured by your compositor (like KWin allows for, for example) then client side decorated apps will pretty much always miss this functionality.

It is theoretically possible to have a dynamic server side decorating protocol of some sort that would allow for a best of both worlds but nobody has designed such a thing.

i wanted to move away from arch
but for example in fedora i would end up using third party repositories that provide the rpm package for some stuff like vscode
and i dont know how well that works
thats why i liked arch, if i needed something i could get it from the AUR, of course i was reading the PKBUILDS and didnt have more than 5 packages from it

>>109445194
Use Flatpaks

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That's it. I'm updating the kernel.

>>109445194
when i was using debian i was using homebrew a lot
there is also nixpkgs, but i dont know if thats any safer than the AUR

oh well, you could also build it manually if its open source (which vscodium is) or use flatpaks/appimage/official binary if they provide one

Is Cosmic good yet?

>>109445279
Nixpkgs are reviewed by people on GitHub pull requests so yes, I'd probably categorise that as safer. I'm not a member of the Cult of Nix but that's something they do seem to have a handle on.

>>109445287
No. Maybe when it gets HDR support and proper colour management, etc, I'll give it another go but it's still Alpha/Beta quality even now.

>>109445279
i was just using vscode as an example
but they provide and rpm or a reporitory for fedora
i could just use either of those but i dont know how well that works in the long run
with the supposedly unstable abi of linux

Which Distro has the best support for new Nvidia GPUs?
I'm using a RTX 5050 Laptop GPU and Mint would often freeze for me (2-3 times a week)

>>109445312
If somebody provides a repository for a specific version of a distro then that usually means they have built and compiled it using the toolchain from that distro.
Dnf is also smart enough to track ABI changes. Pacman on Arch can't even fucking do that but Dnf has no problem.

>>109445318
Not distro dependent.

>>109445287
No. It might be in 2028.

>>109445312
Just use the appimage or flatpak version then.
Although as the other anon said, dnf is a pretty good package manager. It is much better than pacman and apt. It tracks everything it does via transactions and transactions can be individually reverted. So if something gets fucked up after an update you can just roll back the changes.

>>109429125
when buttons were buttons.
i miss it.

>>109445245
Me too, it's been long enough:

$ uptime -p
uptime -p
up 1 week, 1 day, 8 hours, 10 minutes
$ uname --all
Linux localhost 7.2.0-rc4-1-cachyos-rc #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon, 20 Jul 2026 18:20:18 +0000 x86_64 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
$ updpkgsums && makepkg -sif
drivers/staging/t2bce/t2bce_audio/audio.c:444:5: error: call to undeclared library function 'strncpy' with type 'char *(char *, const char *, __size_t)' (aka 'char *(char *, const char *, unsigned long)'); ISO
      C99 and later do not support implicit function declarations [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
  444 |     strncpy(sdev->uid, uid, uid_len);
      |     ^
drivers/staging/t2bce/t2bce_audio/audio.c:444:5: note: include the header <string.h> or explicitly provide a declaration for 'strncpy'
1 error generated.
make[6]: *** [scripts/Makefile.build:289: drivers/staging/t2bce/t2bce_audio/audio.o] Error 1
make[5]: *** [scripts/Makefile.build:549: drivers/staging/t2bce/t2bce_audio] Error 2
make[4]: *** [scripts/Makefile.build:549: drivers/staging/t2bce] Error 2
make[3]: *** [scripts/Makefile.build:549: drivers/staging] Error 2
make[2]: *** [scripts/Makefile.build:549: drivers] Error 2
make[1]: *** [/home/aur/linux-cachyos/linux-cachyos-rc/src/cachyos-7.2-rc6-1/Makefile:2196: .] Error 2
make: *** [Makefile:248: __sub-make] Error 2
==> ERROR: A failure occurred in build().
    Aborting...

Do I even need a staging audio driver I wonder? Probably not.

>>109444990
ty

>>109445474
Oh, it's garbage code for Macs. Definitely don't need that.

>>109445371
yeah i think appimages are fine for a lot of stuff
i try to avoid flatpak

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>>109445474
>>109445485
Success. They need to stop allowing Mac tards to contribute code to the Linux kernel. Linux on the Mac is not going to happen. Stop trying to make it happen.

>>109444844
Tiling WMs like hyprland just maximize/fullscreen the window inside a container and draw decorations around it. It's a hack but it works

>>109445038
>>109445823
the answer was in river wiki

"GTK unfortunately does not support the standard xdg-decoration protocol but rather the obsolete KDE server-decoration protocol. See #24 for more information."

so basically kde and some wms (sway hyprland) supports both protocols

river only supports the modern xdg standard so it doesnt work

kek, good job gnome team. wayland native my ass

>>109445895
Their idea of "Wayland native" is for everything to have forced client decorations everywhere.

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If you break Linux, no one here can actually help you. So I don't see the point of these threads.

Posting this again because a janny got butthurty at my previous post because I said a no no word:
>>109444844
https://codeberg.org/MorsMortium/gtk-nocsd

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>>109446599
Can't say Nougat, can't even get your LLM to generate a cartoon image depicting Mohamed. ChatGPT says no, I cannot generate cartoons. That's offensive!

Whatever happened to free speech?

do distros matter when it comes to doing development work?

>>109446840
Not really. You can run your shit in a container if the distro doesn't have the tools you need.

>>109446840
No. Dev work doesn't rely on your distro's repositories at all. When it comes to build tools and dependencies you'd go for either one of the following:
>keep them contained in distrobox as to not pollute your OS with them, and have an easier way to manage multiple projects
>install them through homebrew
>install them through their official install scripts
You never pull them from a distro repo. As for GUI tools, most of them are on Flathub and Snap Store.

>>109446840
arch is generally the best for dev work if you want to keep everything in your host and not mess around with containers

otherwise any would do (within reason)

I still can't get over how my computer literally never lags when doing shit like browsing the internet or whatever after I switched from windows to cachyOS

How do they even do this shit?

>>109447357
Cachy's overall smoothness is one of its main features thanks to the devs tweaking the Linux kernel in a bunch of ways.

>>109446840
Debian's toolchain has no contamination if that's what you're asking.

>>109447357
It's not that Linux is good, it's that modern Windows is dogshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t992ul_IKtc

>>109447357
Modern Windows is so unbelievably dog shit that it makes you think your hardware is e-waste. There is no reason why any computer made after 2000 should have any difficulty running an office suite.

>>109444563
hello, i have a shitbox plugged into my shitty 4k tv with a passive DP to hdmi cable. how can i turn the color subsampling down so that i can run 4k60, instead of 4k30? i'm running linux mint. googling turned up a bunch of half baked 10 year old shit. AMDGPU btw.
and yes i have an active cable and yes it's shit and broken and active cables suck ass and why cant the tv oems just put fucking DP input on the piece of shit TVs because HDMI sucks donkey balls AHHHHH IM GOING INSANE

>>109447609
Does display stream compression (DSC) not work?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Stream_Compression

>>109447644
>>109447609
Although, rereading that I don't think you should even need DSC for 4K@60Hz.
Are you sure there's nothing wrong with your cable?

What is all this AUR malware targeting? Could it be mitigated by just making an alternative to makepkg?
Surely there are good ways of dealing with this. Files in /bin could just be made as bwrap shell scripts pointed to /var/opt/aur/. They could be generated from a list of quirks for specific packages or maintainers to permit access to ~/.ssh, ~/.gnupg, etc. that would need to be approved by someone in the arch keyring.

>>109447824
It can be mitigated by auditing ebuild files like you were told to. AUR isn't supposed to be responsible for your security.

>>109446495
Why would you break Linux? Stop doing stupid shit.

>>109447845
Obviously, but I'm talking about improving things for the people who are being affected by this. They probably just run yay or paru and let it rip.

>>109447891
>>109447845
>>109447824
I'm new to all of this and run cachy.
I avoid the AUR as much as I can and try to use the cachy packages.
when I have to use aur I use chaotic aur, failing that I check the pkgbuild(I dont know how it works so I ask grok)

>>109447824
Just make a dedicated AUR build user. I run all of my AUR builds as a dedicated user:

$ id
uid=250(aur) gid=250 groups=250

(For eagle eyed readers: No, it's not a coincidence that the UID/GID is the same as the Portage user's UID/GID. This is a chroot on my Gentoo system).

This doesn't actually solve anything though because as soon as you install the package it will be able to do whatever it wants to your system with post-install hooks or inject malware when you run it, etc. Protecting yourself during the build process is only one single attack vector)

other DEs keep leaking their shiddy configs everywhere. I log in to kde once and it RAPED the themes of my regural WMs

Why are they doing this to me?

>>109448004
deserved

Whats the best program for personal notes and staying organized. I dont like joplin or obsidian.
Also everything else I look at is for programmers and comes with a bunch of distracting programmer shit and formatting.

>>109448004
I have KDE related packages installed and I have no idea why. I haven't installed KDE.
I think KDE is like systemd and wants to take over your computer

>>109447609

i think panel display subpixel configuration is in (yast) display options

>>109448039
emacs, very programmer oriented though
otherwise there is like a hundred obsidian clones. zettlr maybe?

>>109448047
its not just kde though even xfce did it
kde is just the most invasive

unironically cosmic is the only DE developed by sane people it seems (for now anyway)

>>109448113
but i will add we probably need a better approach for this stuff over every de dropping text files in $HOME

>>109448113
>>109448004
KDE stores its config files in ~/.config. You probably have an older version of KDE or some old cruft that can be moved or deleted.

$ find . -maxdepth 1 -name ".*"
.
./.bash_logout
./.bash_profile
./.config
./.local
./.cache
./.var
./.ssh
./.cargo
./.bashrc
./.bash_history
./.wget-hsts
./.python_history
./.docker
./.zsh_history
./.gitconfig
./.gnupg
./.pulse-cookie
./.rnd
./.pki
./.brush_history
./.steam
./.zshrc
./.subversion
./.ollama
./.npm
./.w3m
./.steampath
./.steampid
./.zcompdump
./.viminfo
./.gtkrc-2.0
./.histfile

(None of those are from KDE in case it wasn't clear)

Does Artix have the handy install script that regular Arch does?

>>109448644
Actually I ihink I answered this. Another quick question if I game on my system alot, is it better to use Mate or Cinnamon as my main DE?

My gentoo wants to remove virtual/perl-parent when I run --depclean but I can't bother figuring out why or if it is a bad thing so I won't run depclean then. I have a feeling the system requires perl to operate.

>>109448795
Virtual packages are not real packages. It's probably fine. If it were actually removing perl you would see dev-lang/perl:
https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-lang/perl

Probably you don't have any package that depends on it and that's why depclean wants to prune it:

$ qdepends -qQ virtual/perl-parent
dev-perl/HTTP-CookieJar-0.14.0: virtual/perl-parent
dev-perl/Log-Dispatch-2.710.0: virtual/perl-parent

>>109448882
Oh damn I didn't know that removing a virtual wouldn't remove its child deps if depclean doesn't list them separately. Cheers.

>>109448795
gentoo often wants to remove old versions of packages like python or perl if you depclean. it's neither harmful or good on its own, depends on whether you want those packages or not
for example i keep multiple versions of sys-fs/fuse. The nice thing about gentoo is that it doesn't shit itself from things like that, but sometimes you can sort of automagically have the wrong version

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tick tock arch sisters

>>109449022
>new package gets uploaded that runs something via sudo
>200 more packages that do exactly the same thing get discovered
lmao

How easy is OpenRC to use? I'm about to install Gentoo for real but I want to know if OpenRC is as intuitive as runit.

>be on GNOME
>think of switching to KDE
>be on KDE
>think of switching to GNOME

>>109449535
Very easy. You just need to learn a few simple commands.

>rc-status
What the fuck is going with this machine
>rc-service
I want to start/stop/restart/check the status of a service (You can also just invoke the service at /etc/init.d/<SERVICE> since each one is a valid executable script)
>rc-update
I want to enable/disable a service
>openrc-shutdown
This is your shutdown/poweroff/reboot command (there are still real shutdown/poweroff/reboot commands but behind the scenes they invoke openrc-shutdown)

>>109445638
>Linux on the Mac is not going to happen
Since the hardware is pretty nice, it would be awesome, but yeah, after all this time Asahi still doesn't do thunderbolt... Time to throw in the towel.

>>109449594
just transition already

>>109449535
some systemd things like /etc/vconsole.conf will no longer work and it won't display a blurb of text from the journal when you query the status of a service.
also there's a file called rc.conf you might want to look into since there are some config items you may not want to leave as their default
it's easy and simple, the problem is that transitioning from systemd is painful if you're used to it

>>109449658
>transition
>think of detransitioning

>>109449687
keep transitioning and detransitioning until you're the fastest transitioner in the west

>stop distro hopping
>start reinstalling the same distro

Is there a 'small' display manager that allows xorg to be ran rootless?

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Can I get a qrd on this whole AUR malware thing? I've got a couple dozen things installed from the AUR. Haven't done any installations recently. Is there an up to date list of all the packages that are affected? Moving forward will we simply have to start cloning and building our own software which isn't in the default pacman repos?
Is this the end of arch linux? I'm ngl I've only used arch for almost a decade now. It was a big meme back in the day yknow and I fell for it but I also never felt the need to switch. Still dont desu I can just stop using the AUR
But yeah I'm having trouble finding any good info on this stuff. I found brodie's video but can't find a list anywhere (I may be retarded)
Thanks

Does the initial system update usually take forever in Gentoo? I take it I want to run the depclean commeand when I'm done?

Anyone know how to get controllers to work well for Mint these days?
Or a regular good distro that won't be abandoned or left to decay in a month to move to?

Had Cachy on my laptop but it was right before the AUR problem so that put me off some, had Arch itself years ago but it ended up with a weird audio issue it was easier to move off than solve (less common audio equipment tbf Windows did this worse). I've had a good run gaming on Linux the last 6 or so years, but this shit has gotten to me. Controllers worked fine for awhile over bluetooth, but after a point all of them have some weird error like PS5 connects but won't input or 8bitdo works but spazzes the fuck out randomly, etc. The solution use to be to rollback the bluetooth packages. Worked perfectly but with enough update to the system it can no longer rollback to the version that actually worked.

They work wired but that isn't great for battery and the nature of cases these days it means saggy USB cables running around to far which can warp them.

>>109451256
I stuck with Nobara since 2022. Why don't you just copy what cachyos does onto a vanilla arch install and stay the hell away from the AUR, it isn't necessary as a repo anyway.

>>109451245
You mean during the chroot when you're first installing? No, python was updated recently and that's why it's taking so long. That whole thing is optional and you can do it after the install, including the depclean. In fact that's what I recommend since it'll be less likely to run into problems after you have the installation set up.

However if you did change USE flags or the profile, then yes, do run the update because then it'll update those.

>>109449768
me

>>109451284
Yeah I changed to profile to KDE so that's why I'm running the update.

>>109451331
That's going to take a while especially if you're compiling everything instead of using binary packages.
A tip: If you're using the default KDE profile without any custom USE flags, almost everything will have a binary package available so you can install your desktop environment first and then start tweaking the flags after you have it up and running.

>>109451280
Well Arch was what I used in 2020 until it broke my ability switch between audio devices at which point I went to Mint. AUR was very handy in the move from Windows at the time because I was avoiding using Wine and trying to find native equivalents for a lot of software (lot of hobbies so my list of stuff I need an OS is a lot more than just a browser and Steam, while I had a lot of Linux experience to my advantage if I could move my massive uses over I think a lot of people could manage it now. Still haven't had the time to go from Fusion to FreeCAD though).

Went to Mint as a fallback as I used it before a lot and its been mostly fine the last 5 years for desktop until this issue recently. Did Cachy on the Laptop because I needed something with Windows for Fusion so I decided to use it as the experiment device and dual boot. I've usually had better luck with ubuntu/debian variants overall but maybe its my nostalgia for gnome2 10.10 Ubuntu when it did literally everything out of the box easily (except game)

So once my Gentoo install is finished for real, what if anything is necessary to optimize game performance?

>>109447855
So even less point in having this general then.

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>>109449768
>stop distro hopping
>start writing scripts for quality of life upgrades
>system upgrade major release
>scripts are now broken

>>109452596
as grok to fix them

whats a retardproof headless distro that comes with all the ssh shit like those raspberry pi distros?

>>109452677
ubuntu server

>>109452622
I mostly just rewrote them ,but I had AI attempt to fix one and it told me to use

read -r -d '' -a PARAMS_ARRAY <<< "$PARAMS"

but the code would not read the parameters and error out so I ended up reading the fucking manual and realizing I needed

IFS=$'\n' read -r -d '' -a PARAMS_ARRAY <<< "$PARAMS"

>>109452685
that doesnt seem to have a mullvad or wireguard package

>>109452775
i asked claude and he told me to use dietpi

>>109452775
https://linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-wireguard-on-ubuntu-linux/

>>109452873
nah im going with dietpi it seems to have all of that stuff built in + its debian + its made for SBCs which have 0 power so it super leightweight which is just what i need

I have a functional KDE plasma desktop, but all the apps didn't install so I'm doing that now. I feel like I gained a more insight into the inner workings of my machine by doing Gentoo.

>xlibre
>phoenix
>yserver
>frame
what's the point of all these x11 servers when the most popular distros have moved to wayland?

>>109453207
keep the retards occupied and prevent them from shitting up wayland

>>109447682
this cable worked at 4k60 with windows 11 iot but that garbage used too much memory for my shitbox thin client
>>109448059
not using suse. are you saying use suse?

Quick question, should I just use the emerge package for Opera-GX or install the flatpak version?

>>109453733
That would mean compiling a Chromium-based browser and that'll take ages if your PC isn't up to task. The flatpak will just download and werk.

if i want to run linux on an old laptop with 8 GB of RAM
would using something more "minimal" like arch actually make a difference compared to something like fedora?
the laptop can run gnome or kde plasma fine, so i would be using either of those

>>109454039
even distros using kde only use about 2gb of ram

>>109454039
arch is stupid to run on a system with not a lot of resources because they precompile their software without any optimizations basically. + it's always the newest release with all the new bugs and issues too. debian would be more ideal.

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I'm on mint. Is it worth upgrading to the latest stable mpv or is the old one in the mint repo's good enough?

>>109454276
Update. mpv updates like once a year and comes with lots of changes

>>109444563
hi guys, long time debian unstable user here.

i got a new laptop today, decided to try a new distro and i installed cachyOS. what am i in for? i've never used an arch-based distro before so still figuring out how to use pacman and AUR

>>109454337
The stable branch is quite slow while the git branch has a new version like once every other day.

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>>109454346
>no clear delineation of free and non-free software
>source code for free software not necessarily hosted by the distro
>less capable modules autodetect on the initramfs generator
>less strict packaging policy
>possible vendored dependencies
>increased disk usage
>higher package churn
>os effectively governed by one guy with corporate sponsors, versus a constitution-bound community backed by a non-profit

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I created a third party all in one game launcher for linux. It has support for NFC launching too.

https://github.com/Slycat555/omnilauncher-linux

>>109454451
Huh, nifty.
Show it off elsewhere as well to get some eyes/hands on it too.

>>109454337
cool, thank you

>>109454451
looks like the epic games launcher

>>109454346
It's Arch with optimized packages and kernel and a bunch of preconfigured defaults (like snapper and, if you went for the default picks, limine) to let you roll back if something fucks up.
You don't even need the AUR as much as in vanilla Arch since the repos it has comes with a lot of stuff, unless you have a use case for them that you can't find anyway. It's pretty good overall.
t. used Cachy for several months as my daily driver, switched to Bazzite because I fell for the immutable meme but if it gets too annoying to deal with I'll just switch back later.

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>>109454451
>I
>created

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>>109454691
Yes I inputted the prompt.

Vibegods WON.

My experience with Fedora is the single worst experience I've ever had in my life. Worse than watching my father suffer and die from pancreatic cancer as a kid. Fedora fucking sucks.
I'm excited for Linux Mint Cinnamon to go Wayland Christmastime 2026. I can erase this Fedora GayDE nightmare from my life and start anew.

>>109455128
true sister

user@fedora:~$ uptime -p
up 3 days, 14 hours, 20 minutes

>>109455128
Genuinely a skill issue, I've been using Fedora with exactly 0 problems for more than 3 years.

>>109454451
After Faugus Launcher turned into Faggots Launcher by going GNOME, I will take anything over it. Trying this.

>>109455151
Fedora sucks and makes you restart more than Windows. I ahte it so much. I know you got pending updates. And when you do them it'll take forever because they're a joke ass distro with shit servers and no good mirrors

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>>109444563
Everything listed here is a negative for Linux and regular packages btw.

>>109455175
makes you? Nigga letting software tell him what to do.

>>109455174
Faugus always used GNOME

>>109455203
No, used to open the native file manager using xdg and portals.

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>>109455175
i don't use discover to update my system. i also don't update unless there is a new browser version or mesa. i don't reboot for firefox to update btw.
>>109455196
nigga really got told by his pc what to do and went with it.

>>109455175
btw all the good Fedora mirrors are in America, Europe, and East Asia so you're just admitting to being a street shitter if your downloads are slow, Rajesh.

>>109454451
>I created
Why is it any time sometimes says this, the reality is the complete opposite? You didn't make it

>>109455240
i have to admit that it used to be slower but now it's fine. i think it used to be bad when it was fedora 40 and below? now it's fine.

>>109455240
I'm EST master race in the United States of America. Fedora updates are like .5x the speed of Mint/Ubuntu straight up. And they make you restart. And discover is complete garbage. I made a big mistake putting it on my desktop. It ruined my entire life.

>>109455274
who cares what you think you gui pleb.

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>want to modify a plasma 6 window decoration
>can't find documentation anywhere
>
>have to use SVG supported image something-thingy (inkscape / similar)
>have to properly name layers (will crash plasma if wrong)
If took me hours to find what I needed to edit to change an active window's color because this looks nothing like what I'd expect

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>>109455174
Idk I just created it because I needed a native all in one Linux library that supported NFC launching because I wanted to create a PC physical game collection.

That way I can have the best of both worlds of owning games but using platforms that are good and just werk on Linux for gaming.

I vibecoded 95% of it the rest was tweaking with NFC shit that I had made a script before and it had some trouble with the hardware capturing of it.

>>109455274
they only make you restart if you use the GUI like a Windows user, and only if you don't change the setting.
Literally filtered by a radio button.

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considering switching from windows. i fucked around with mint a year ago, it was okay and i even wouldnt mind going back if not for pic related.
i mostly just watch anime and browse 4chan, occasionally play touhou and vns. i would like to begin editing with kdenlight (im familiar with premiere pro currently), so yeah.
any distro recommendations? dont want any bloat or corporate fuckery, or at least as little as possible. thanks.

>>109455523
also should add that im considering dual booting off my 8 tb hard drive (separate from my c drive), which has room for about 3 tbs dedicated for linux.

>>109455388
That is fine, nowadays everything is 90%+ vibecoded anyways. I just want something with good UI.

>>109454039
8GB is more than enough for any distro, even the most bloated AI-infested shit like Deepin Linux.

>>109455523
Universal Blue

>>109455523
Aurora Linux. Or Bazzite if you need Steam pre-installed.

>>109455405
Oh so the update manager is garbage, gotcha and agreed wholeheartedly
>>109455297
Most of the programs I use I wrote. I'm less of a pleb than you think, and I used Linux in the year 1999 before you were born, zoomer

>>109455533
even Linux is gonna piss and moan like a little bitch if you boot it from a hard drive and it's gonna be a shitty experience.
Though really the best option that won't get you goop is gonna be Fedora. Corporate is a good thing, actually. Go use Debian if you want to see the results of insanity.

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>>109455523
>any distro recommendations?
Let me introduce you to the holy trinity: Debian, Fedora, Arch. Any of these is fine and mainstream.
>dont want any bloat or corporate fuckery
They are all pretty good on this front. Fedora is the most corporate and is sponsored by Red Hat. Debian is quality engineering with formal community governance. Arch is a casual enthusiast/hobbyist distro.
I think Debian is overall the best, but you would probably be happiest on Arch. Just don't use the AUR unless you are prepared to audit every line of every version of every package you install from it.
>>109455621
>>109455629
Atomic distros are a pain to manage if you need flexibility. And Universal Blue is kinda bloated and opaque.

>>109447609
What cable are you using?

>>109455644
>Atomic distros are a pain to manage if you need flexibility.
They're literally easier to manage than anything else.

>>109451389
Just use flatpak on Mint.

Your bluetooth issue sounds exactly like that, a bluetooth issue. Not a controller issue. Perhaps just freezing that software and never updating it will work.

>>109455676
If everything you need is in there, as soon as you need to install a driver that isn't there, oh boy - even arch will break less.

>>109455636
>even Linux is gonna piss and moan like a little bitch if you boot it from a hard drive and it's gonna be a shitty experience.
i see. my current OS is on my C drive, which is a fucking small C drive for that matter. almost embarrassingly. would you recommend i buy a bigger c drive SSD, then dual boot windows and linux (the one id be using mostly, hopefully) off it? the only problem would be that ive never transferred an OS onto another drive before, and it sounds like it would be a pain in the ass (the sole reason my drive is still so small).
>>109455644
>Debian is quality engineering with formal community governance.
the formal community governance is appealing to me for the same reasons i use 4chan, at surface level.

So I recently just learned you can tunnel into a specific port or your computer and thats supposedly more 'contained' than just ssh. Does anyone here do this? I was just thinking of running ai apps from my phone for context.

>>109455676
Not if you need flexibility, which is what he said.

>>109455744
Just keep in mind Debian "Stable" doesn't mean it doesn't crash. On the contrary, it means it crashes the same way every time.
The other reason you shouldn't use Debian Stable is you'll be stuck with the finest software updates of 1876, as Debian thinks updating major software versions is electronic Satan, and only does it every 2 years by default.

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>>109455772
okay, good to know. i assume if i were to go with debian, testing would be appropriate then.
also, qrd on pic related?

>>109455791
specifically the systemd part, and whatnot. i am literally merely an unaware /a/non who is concerned by recent politics surrounding online anonymity. not really a /g/ user, at least much previously.

>>109455744
The simplest, and obviously most expensive solution to your problem is to go buy a new drive. If you do this, do not transfer Windows to the new drive if you intend to try out Linux. Install Linux to the new drive. This is because Windows will occasionally delete grub or whatever if it notices that it is sharing a drive with a Linux installation (and every time Microsoft intentionally does this, they come up with some bullshit excuse). Dual booting with Windows works best with two drives.

If you get fed up with Linux, you can just delete it and then transfer Windows to the new drive with something like Clonezilla. But if you decide you like Linux then it'd be best to have started in the first place by letting Linux use the bigger, newer drive.

Also, about which operating system you should use, you should probably just start with the simplest one you think you want. Debian is fine, just learn how to install software you want through flatpak because a lot of Debian's software is super old, and flatpaks are always up to date.

>>109455725
Almost nobody installs drivers manually on Linux, at least not drivers that aren't already available in your repo. And if you're installing random 3rd party drivers you're better off creating your own image anyway.

>>109455757
Still untrue.

>>109455810
>Almost nobody installs drivers manually on Linux
You'd be surprised.

>>109455744
Buy a cheap SATA 120GB SSD and install your distro of choice on it since all you're doing is testing how things work outside of windows. You can even use it as a portable OS by attaching it to SATA to USB adapter and running it from a usb 3.1 port.

>>109455791
Just ignore anybody complaining about systemd. If you cared, you'd already know the controversy.

tl;dr IBM controls systemd, and while it is perfectly possible to fork it to something else, it would be a lot of work and nobody wants to do that, so systemd must be evil essentially because it is currently only developed by IBM.

>>109455819
I'm not surprised by M$ tourists doing such a foolish thing since they're coming from windows and don't understand the concept of the kernel holding everything you need already. Usage habits are a subconscious thing that's hard to stop.

>>109455823
i dont think my PC case has enough room for another drive, HDD or SSD. so the usb adapter sounds ideal in this case, for a temporary testing/middle-ground period. ill probably end up doing this.

>>109455819
I know some people do, but they're literally a single digit % minority. The most common reason to do this is to get your WiFi/Bluetooth to work. But the solution most people opt for is buying a WiFi/Bluetooth adapter instead of using shitty 3rd party reverse-engineered community drivers which barely work.
Most people can't even follow driver install instructions. They'd rather install a different distro which solves the problem for them, or buy a cheap adapter.

>>109455849
It will blow your mind that you can take that OS, plug it in to USB, and boot to it from BIOS on any computer with supported hardware. Last anon that did it and posted used Nobara.

>>109455826
okay, i see. thanks.
>>109455809
>Install Linux to the new drive. This is because Windows will occasionally delete grub or whatever if it notices that it is sharing a drive with a Linux installation
good to know
>Debian is fine, just learn how to install software you want through flatpak because a lot of Debian's software is super old, and flatpaks are always up to date.
thank you. ill go with debian then, after i buy my temporary drive.

>>109455809
>Debian is fine, just learn how to install software you want through flatpak because a lot of Debian's software is super old, and flatpaks are always up to date.
Yeah, debian is so fine you have to fix it by using fatpacks. Or you could just, you know, use a distro that's not allergic to software updates.

>>109455901
Debian is one of the most stable operating systems that exists today, unless you want to live in a walled garden. Shit like Fedora and Arch isn't stable and it shows. Last time I used Fedora, it couldn't figure out how to hardware accelerate a video through an Intel GPU. That is insane.

>>109455917
Stable in the linux lingo = don't updates, it doesn't mean it doesn't break, which is exactly the opposite, most software move 100x faster than debian ever will, which breaks as soon as there's a mismatch in dependencies versions.

Something like Arch breaks less than Debian, despite debian being the "stable" distro.

>>109455872
>thank you. ill go with debian then, after i buy my temporary drive.
Go download other iso images of linux distros and give them all a try. You have a lot of choices before you.

>>109455917
>Debian is one of the most stable operating systems
Debian is only stable by their own made up definition of stable, that being "it won't ever change so you don't have to worry about maintaining your server dependencies". Which is only relevant to server maintainers. And even then stability is irrelevant nowadays as most server admins use containers and reproducible builds. Meanwhile most IoT devices opt for Ubuntu instead of Debian.

To a desktop user "stable" means "there's less bugs, crashes and general issues". Debian is a total opposite of stability for desktop users, unless you actively avoid their repositories and exclusively use Flatpaks and Appimages.

>Shit like Fedora and Arch isn't stable and it shows.
Damn, I guess that's why they're significantly more popular than Debian? People obviously hate themselves too much and pick "inferior options"?

>>109455917
>Fedora
They have their own retardations like fear of codecs and shit.
>>109455917
>one of the most stable operating systems
Pretty much anything not called windows could claim that title

can't we just agree that "stable" almost always means "breaks the least for me specifically" because i'm pretty sure at least one faggot says his distro of choice is stable for every single one of them out there

>>109455936
>Stable in the linux lingo = don't updates
Debian gets updates.
>it doesn't mean it doesn't break
Yes it does.
>most software move 100x faster than debian ever will
No they don't. Your average video player takes a decade to become obsolete. And again, if you actually get that once in a blue moon event where you need a new video player, you just use the flatpak version.

Debian Stables gets updated every 2 or 3 years and only has minor bugs every time. Your system will boot, any minor issue it has is easily fixable, that fix will remain functional for two or three years, and it's unlikely the next version of Debian will have the same problem. Fedora gets major bugs every six months, and Arch gets them every two months. For years Arch offered scripts to install your system with btrfs that didn't work on most systems.

>>109455965
Nope, it had every codec it needed, and it wasn't a codec issue in the first place. ALL video playback didn't work properly, including open source codecs.

>>109455966
Well, no, because rolling release distros really aren't as stable and really do have problems for people. If you're going by percentages, you are much more likely to have a problem on a rolling release.

>>109455969
>Yes it does.
No, stable means that if it's broken it keeps being broken until the next major release, hence your workaround will keep working.
If it's fucked it stays fucked for years. Updates that may fix this are forbidden unless they are so called security updates.

>>109455965
The codec problem is fixed if you actually read the first run window and click yes to install the Codecs. I know you're brown and reading is hard but give it a try.

>>109455917
In Linux terminology, stable means it crashes in the same way every time. It doesn't mean it doesn't crash.

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>>109455969
>N-No, askshually, it does break, b-but it doesn't count!
With this amount of cope and lenience, any distro can be "considered" good.

>>109455994
You can keep screaming this all you want, it isn't true.

In Linux terminology, stable means tracking bug reports, compiling lists, and working through them. Debian actually does this, the list of issues is small by the time of release. As in an actual process for a stable release happens.

Fedora is literally a beta build of Red Hat and Arch just gets two months of testing until whatever state its in just get released.

>>109455987
>No, stable means that if it's broken it keeps being broken until the next major release
Incorrect, see:
>>109455969
>Debian Stables gets updated every 2 or 3 years and only has minor bugs every time. Your system will boot, any minor issue it has is easily fixable, that fix will remain functional for two or three years, and it's unlikely the next version of Debian will have the same problem. Fedora gets major bugs every six months, and Arch gets them every two months. For years Arch offered scripts to install your system with btrfs that didn't work on most systems.

>>109455969
>Yes it does.
No it doesn't.
>Debian gets updates.
It effectively doesn't. It's packages are version-frozen and only get extremely critical bug fixes for server-relevant packages, and security patches that are attached to a CVE.
>Your average video player takes a decade to become obsolete.
That means nothing to an end user. Modern day consumers want the latest software versions because they want the latest features. The OS can be outdated if it wants, but PC users want their apps to be up to date, which Debian does not offer.
Just remember that Windows users complained about the lack of webm/webp support for years. Meanwhile someone using Arch or Fedora didn't even get a chance to complain about media compatibility since their version of the file manager had thumbnails and their media editor/player/viewer supported these formats day 1.

Debian is only usable as a desktop OS if used alongside Flatpak. In fact, it was the popularity of Debian/Ubuntu 5-15 years ago that caused the demand for stuff like Flatpak, Appimage and Snap. Most people don't want their OS to dictate the pacing and availability of their app updates, they want the OS and apps to be separate from each other.

>>109456015
>In Linux terminology, stable means tracking bug reports, compiling lists, and working through them.
Nope, the other anon is correct. "Stable" factually means: "the packages have stable API/ABI for the current major release and minor releases, bug fixes and security patches won't change the APIs/ABIs."
>Fedora is literally a beta build of Red Hat
Nope.
>Arch just gets two months of testing
Do you seriously think Debian gets any testing whatsoever? The only "testing" that is done is library compatibility, if the packages build, and if the packages open without crashing. Actual application testing is something that is exclusively done by the app developers, if at all. If you want well tested software then get your software directly from the source (developer or official distributor) rather than a random distro package maintainer.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

>>109456015
>Incorrect, see:
>Debian Stables gets updated every 2 or 3 years
That pretty much proves me right.

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>>109455791
If you want Debian but not Stable, then choose Unstable. This is because Testing gets security updates last and packages are unavailable for longer while Debian maintainers sort out integration issues.

>>109456025
>No it doesn't.
Yes it does.
>It effectively doesn't.
Those are updates, you just wanting bleeding edge software "cuz" does not mean Debian doesn't get updates.
>It's packages are version-frozen and only get extremely critical bug fixes for server-relevant packages, and security patches that are attached to a CVE.
Arch introduces what would be considered CVEs in any other development model every time you update.
>That means nothing to an end user. Modern day consumers want the latest software versions because they want the latest features.
No they don't. Virtually nobody uses any of the features a video player introduces. You can actually just use a decade old video player and if it didn't indicate a date, you would not be able to tell when it was compiled. You don't actually need constant updates every two months.
>Debian is only usable as a desktop OS if used alongside Flatpak.
This isn't a criticism. Being able to just use Flatpak for the two programs you actually use that need it doesn't take away from the fact that you otherwise get an actually stable system.

>>109456040
>Do you seriously think Debian gets any testing whatsoever? The only "testing" that is done is library compatibility, if the packages build, and if the packages open without crashing.
In other words, they develop a distro. If software doesn't work on its own, then Debian doesn't ship it, at least not by default. As I said before, Arch shipped a btrfs script that didn't work on most computers for years.

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>>109455791
I would recommend against Devuan. It is good in theory, but the quality and developer discipline is nowhere near that of Debian. If you really hate systemd, Debian officially supports alternative init systems.

>>109456107
>Arch introduces what would be considered CVEs in any other development model every time you update.
The day just started but I sure hope this will be the dumbest shit I'll hear today.

>>109456107
>In other words, they develop a distro.
"Distros" is a concept that shouldn't exist. The existence of distros is what was actively preventing Linux from being a usable consumer-grade OS. All the flaws of "distros" are the most noticeable on Debian.
>then Debian doesn't ship it
Debian should not "ship" any software they don't make themselves. There's no reason why Debian should ship your media player or web browser. That's just retarded. Imagine if the only (or primary) way you could get VLC on Windows is by using the build Microsoft makes themselves and publishes to the Windows store, and each Windows build (24H2, 25H2, 26H1, etc.) had it's own separate version of VLC, plus each OEM having it's own version. That's basically what the old Linux distribution model is. Fuck that shit.

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For some reason, I'm cannot update Pikaos, it keeps telling me pika os amd64 compents is not yet available files are weak, system runs fine, just need a little troubleshooting.

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>>109456208
There are tradeoffs to that.
For example, take a look at the default configuration of Firefox in Debian compared to Fedora, Arch and openSUSE. Debian makes an effort to protect the privacy of its users by disabling Health Report upload and search suggestions by default. The upstream Firefox configuration has those things enabled by default.
Also, take a look at the care Debian takes in ensuring a cohesive, integrated system. For example, Debian Policy disallows vendored libraries. This means that if you use the Debian package of a given software title, upstream cannot get away with leaving security vulnerabilities in such libraries unpatched.
https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#embedded-code-copies

Can someone make a script to make Linux Mint XFCE only use 500 megabites of ram? The new update of Project Zomboid crashes my entire PC cuz it keeps wanting more memory. I already put a 2048 limit on the json file and it still needs MORE. There's no optimization in gaming anymore.

>>109447487
Based Debian enjoyer

>>109456343
Use a distro that actually cares about system resource usage. Mint is not it since it uses around 800-1100MB of memory after a cold boot. A mildly optimized distro would only use 300MB and still be usable as a desktop OS.

How can I change the default playlist order in Haruna? It resets back to the alphabetical order every time I close the application. I don't want to create custom playlists for each of my folders because the default playlist adds new videos automatically

There are so many different ‘gaming’-oriented distros that it’s really not easy to make the right choice.

cachyos, garuda, nobara, bazzite, pop!_os

>>109456571
CachyOS and especially PopOS are not "gaming oriented".
CachyOS is recommended to gamers simply because they have some packages which have optimized builds.
PopOS was previously recommended to people with nVidia cards because they included nVidia drivers by default. PopOS currently only exists as a distro to test the Cosmic desktop environment.

Garuda and Nobara are very bug-ridden from what I've seen and they're both managed by a single person instead of a team of dedicated developers, maintainers and testers.

The only real option here is Bazzite if all you need is an OS that stays out of your way and lets you play games with minimal or no tinkering.

qutebrowser for some magical reason bypasses my ISP's DPI

>>109455791
>>109455807
NTA, but I have been using Devuan for at least half a year now, it's basically exactly the same as Debian but without systemd, it also gets updates slightly slower, .
If you know that you don't want systemd then Devuan is a good choice for a non-systemd distro. Although you may want to learn a bit about how services work because sysvinit doesn't have user services unlike systemd, though devuan also offers openrc which has user services.

However don't do this >>109456135, switching init systems on Debian is a really bad idea some packages will start breaking, Devuan specifically compiles a lot of packages without systemd dependencies, it will surprise you how many random packages have a dependency on systemd, for example, tmux has a dependency on systemd in debian, but not in Devuan because it was recompiled without the systemd deps
To see packages that depend on systemd, run the following command on a Debian system:

apt rdepends libsystemd0

I’ve read that some people are critical of systemd? Is there any truth in that?

>>109457152
The height of that was over a decade ago at this point. It mostly just exists now, some people still having ideological issues with it (like it being an entire suite of programs instead of just an init ergo doesn't care about UNIX philosophy etc) but otherwise people don't really care that much anymore. If they still do they use protest distros like Artix/Devuan or use Gentoo which uses OpenRC by default.

I have been using bazzite with kde for a while with no major issues however i have recently installed it on a partially broken laptop screen/keyboard to use as a theatre pc so its plunged into a TV. occasionally when i boot the login screen will be black with password and restart/shutdown options available but they don't respond.
restarting fixes this every time which im starting to assume is because I'm turning the laptop on before the tv. does anyone have any experience of this?

I’m currently wondering whether to go for Cachyos (rolling release, Arch) or Nobara (semi-rolling, Fedora). Could someone perhaps explain the pros and cons to me?

>>109457183
I've had something similar happen with my old PC. If I attempted to boot up my PC before the monitor is on or plugged in, it would fail to boot. The PC would remain powered on but plugging in a display after the fact would result in a black screen. Pressing the power button would instantly shut down the PC, meaning it didn't even get to boot up fully (as otherwise I'd have to hold the power button).
I just accepted the fact that Linux can't boot correctly unless it has a display plugged in at a certain step of the boot process. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's been years since I had this issue and I never bothered enough to look into it.

I believe the only way to fix your issue is to enable automatic login. But that might affect PAM (kwallet in your case) so your stored passwords (WiFi, browser store, etc.) won't be decrypted on login I assume.

Anybody got a good terminal/ TUI mail setup going? My holy grail would be the IMAP folders mirrored locally in a format than many different mail clients can interface with, in addition to being able to inspect them with unix tools to i.e. automatically filter some emails.
I'm also interested to proxying SMTP traffic so I can give my clanker a very restricted means of sending emails.

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This literally never ends. it never stops fetching. What do I do?

>>109457428
i saw other people report that same issue
i think its the snap backend for discover
check if you have it installed and remove it

>>109457461
>fedora
>snap
?

>>109457469
yes
i dont know how but some people had the snap backend installed
maybe you do too

>>109457428
just update through the terminal?

>>109457428
>Discover
Use Bazaar and leave OS updates to your terminal. Discover is the biggest pile of shit I've ever used. Literally the worst part of Plasma.

>>109457428
flatpak update -y; dnf -y upgrade --offline && dnf -y offline reboot

>>109457152
The Systemd suite is kinda big and bloaty considering a basic desktop usage but IMO there's no point avoiding it.
>>109454444
>no clear delineation of free and non-free software
In what situations does one need it? So what if Nvidia drivers, some codecs and unRAR are in the same repositories as everything else?

>>109457528
>>109457503
>>109457461
Thanks for the info.

>>109454021
Ain't Opera-GX freeware as in closed source as in no source codes or compiling?
>>109451331
So, you got a headless setup and now you are installing KDE? Yes, compiling all that will take some time.

>>109455675
i have a monoprice active dp1.4-hdmi that glitches out after it's been on for a while, but it only does this with linux machines (they dont like its scaler or something?)
then some passive amashit basics passive dp-hdmi cable andanother noname brand passive cable.
the host machine is a hp thin client with dp.14 outputs, amd ryzen embedded gen1. so not very fast but also should not have an issue playing youtube or plex videos.

>>109457369
ah thanks i will set auto login if it becomes a pain, i did a little testing and it seems to happen when the os reaches the login screen before the tv is turned on and the pc is set as the source.

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>>109456571
>cachyos
Get this one. It's simple, highly optimized, easily updates and they have their own packages for most things so you don't have to use the aur.

>have 9070xt/9800x3d PC 32gb ram with 4k 27" oled
>install Linux mint because linooox people said it "just worked"
>Try install live, broken animations but I think whatever it will work after install and update
>Install and update
>Scaling STILL completely broken at 200%
>Not even 5 minutes after install and ALREADY a burning dumpster fire of broken shit on all AMD hardware
>Calendar/start menu animations broken and stuttering, takes multiple clicks and lag before they open correctly

>Ok I'll try bazzite KDE after that complete failure straight out the gate
>Install it and works for around 20 minutes post install before a kernel panic and the desktop freezes completely at random for no reason
>AI even confirmed this
>Use PC for 40 minutes, same thing happens again while testing a game
>PC unusable not even 1 hour from install

>>109458206
sounds like a hardware issue

>>109458212
I have another all AMD PC with a 9600x+9060xt streaming PC with a different motherboard same thing happened with Linux mint. So not a hardware problem. Also tested bazzite same thing happens. It's software.

Also here's my story with cachyos
>Install it
>Try to install an app on first boot through cachy package manager
>Repo completely fails, have to spend 20 minutes figuring out why it won't work
>Keys for the repo were broken
>FINALLY got it working after another 20 minutes of AI commands
>Think let me try to transfer and play a video from my phone with the built in video player
>Launch haruna
>Try to resize the video while playing
>Entire video player lags when moving and eventually crashes the entire desktop with a freeze
>Plasma missing all the UI
>Have to restart PC
>Have multiple UI bugs and problems over the course of days
>Games end up crashing randomly.

>>109458289
Also I tested with VLC and it can play videos and resize fine while playing with no lag in the programs UI so it's literally just shit software and lack of quality.

Also compare kcalc to the windows calculator. It's garbage and embarrassing. It's not a calculator made by someone who even understands what a calculator should function like for a desktop user. The text is too small and it's unintuitive to use.

should i stay on arch?
not like i was ever going to get infected by the AUR malware but
i dont like how they managed the AUR situation

>>109458289
Again, sounds like a hardware problem. Most likely RAM or VRAM going bad, or some kind of disk corruption.
The only software-related thing that would make sense given your symptoms is some kind of filesystem corruption, or you manually breaking something by blindly copy-pasting commands given to you by an AI.

Your hardware is standard shit that's used by many existing Bazzite, Cachy and SteamOS users who don't have these issues. There's clearly something wrong on your end. Learn how to find and read logs and actually troubleshoot.

Anyways my main point was no matter what Linux distribution anybody uses it just seems like there's no quality control or polish or anything that resembles good quality work to where it just works out of the box with no issues. Even windows 11 with all its faults still is more stable experience than Linux in 2026. When will Linux does actually take the user experience seriously instead of fragmenting things why can't they just make things stable?

>>109458373
Where would you even go to? Could you integrate into a Debian society? I doubt you'd survive the Gentoo style.

>>109458425
debian testing might be an option
whats the easiest way to get a minimal debian testing installation

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>been on arch+i3 for 5 years
>over the last 2 years
>wanted to switch to sway
>wanted to switch to hyprland
>but no time to tinker
>tested yesterday cachyOS with hyprland on some n100 mini pc
>seems good
>all is nice and I did not have to invets 10 hours of effort to tinker with stuff

should I switch to cachyOS/hyprland
should I be purist and plan to stay on arch and hyperland setup by my own self?

>>109458392
>my hardware is broken
>Linux is to blame
Anyways, you do realize that you're installing an OS manually? At that point you're the one in charge of quality control to an extent. If you want "polish" then buy a Steam Machine or something.

>>109458373
The AUR is handheld by an entirely different team. It's barely a part of the Arch project. And there's really no way to reliably validate all the content posted there. Even Google, Apple, Microsoft and Canonical struggle with malware in their app stores. A project like Arch Linux doesn't have the monetary capacity to waste resources implementing high quality automated malware scanning in a side-project like AUR.
The AUR is just a convenience so that people don't need to manually visit multiple different git hosting providers, search repositories manually, and manually follow build instructions. You've always been warned that installing software from AUR is no different than typing "download app" into Google/Github and executing a random, unverified binary.

>>109455631
>Most of the programs I use I wrote. I'm less of a pleb than you think, and I used Linux in the year 1999 before you were born, zoomer
got a hard time believing that. vibe pleb.

>>109458507
i never trusted the AUR regardless of the malware spam
so the response to this shitshow seems not serious enough because they simply dont have the resources to change things up on the AUR?

>>109458488
Distro Hop.
the grass is always greener on the other side

>>109458488
You can literally run a script to convert your Arch repos to CachyOS. Try it, don't like it then undo it.
https://wiki.cachyos.org/features/optimized_repos/#adding-our-repositories-to-an-existing-arch-linux-install

I switched my Archlinux chroot I use for gaming over to it and it was fine. Nothing exploded.

>>109458540
>they simply dont have the resources to change things up on the AUR?
Pretty much. It's either small safety measures, or abandoning AUR entirely.

The cheapest, immediate "solutions":
1. Automatically remove inactive AUR accounts and archive the packages they maintain
2. Prevent new or inactive accounts from taking in orphan packages
3. Make registration even stricter
4. Add a warning when the user tries to install an unpopular package
5. Add a warning when the user tries to install a package maintained by an inactive account, or an account made in the last 5 years

Obviously, you're still vulnerable to supply chain attacks. So none of these would fully solve the problem. The problem is the fact that Linux operates on total trust and implements very little security measures against 3rd party software that the user installs. What desktop Linux actually needs is a good background anti-malware service and strict application sandboxing. So the real solutions are:
>On the service side
Add automated malware scanning to the AUR. It would be expensive, so it's probably the last thing they'll do.
>On the client/user side
Force AUR packages to be installed and run in an unprivileged sandbox. If the user wants to opt out of sandboxing, then they should have to do it per-package. This is the ONLY real solution, by the way. Everything else is a bandaid.
You could also make an optional antivirus service for desktop Linux that runs in background and scans files for malicious patters and hashes, just for the people who love to live on the edge and run random scripts and binaries outside of a sandbox.

>>109459209
>Force AUR packages to be installed and run in an unprivileged sandbox. If the user wants to opt out of sandboxing, then they should have to do it per-package. This is the ONLY real solution, by the way. Everything else is a bandaid.
You can already do that today, you just run separate distrobox, etc, instances for each package and lock down the access to your home directory and mounted hard drives, etc.

This requires you to take responsibility yourself though. I don't think most people are getting caught in these malware attacks if they're only installing popular software though so this is a bit overkill.

>>109456343
Have you considered using ZRAM?

>>109459209
Malware scanning doesn't work, and I doubt anyone in the Arch inner circle is interested in turning it into a compulsory security theater normalfag handholding OS. toolbox already exists if you want to sandbox something, or install one of many immutable Arch projects.

>>109456343
You can disable useless services. On Fedora abrt crash reporting services take up a lots of ram and other stuff too. There isn't some magical 'script' to help you if you are a dumbass.
You could also install a plain window manager alongside xfce4 and go from there, just for gaming.
>>109456421
Always some retard telling to switch distro over some mundane issue.
Normies and Linux are a mistake.

>>109459290
>You can already do that today
You can, but I'm saying it should be the default behavior rather than something you opt into by using AUR in distrobox.
>I don't think most people are getting caught in these malware attacks if they're only installing popular software though
This is just the good old "trust me bro" approach I was talking about. It immediately breaks down in case of a supply chain attack and can only work in small and manageable repos. AUR packages not being sandboxed by default is just nonsensical.

>>109459308
>toolbox already exists if you want to sandbox something
Again, AUR package managers should be in charge of this by default. Maybe not in Arch itself if you want to keep it "the Linux purist OS for people who totally read the source code of every package they install". But Arch forks should definitely have it set up. It's the only real solution to the problem outside of "just don't install anything" and "just don't use AUR".

>>109459388
>You can, but I'm saying it should be the default behavior rather than something you opt into by using AUR in distrobox.
The default behaviour of what? Because everyone is using different helpers and tooling.

The AUR is just a website / git forge, it doesn't provide any tooling. It's up to users to decide how they want to interact with it.

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>>109444563
How would I go about mounting or extracting a Playstation 1 bin/cue CD image? In Windows I would use UltraISO and I think some of the usual compression programs would open them too but I'm at a loss in Linux. I'm using Mint.

When I disconnect from AirVPN on CachyOS my wifi breaks and i have to disconnect and reconnect every time. Never ran into this issue on Mint

>>109459423
Maybe cdemu can do it? I genuinely don't know.

>>109459431
Are you using some random app rather than importing it into NetworkManager or using OpenVPN or Wireguard native tooling, etc?

My guess would be it's messing with the routing table or firewall and disconnecting and re-connecting the WiFi has the side-effect of resetting that.

>>109459403
The default behavior of "yay" and whatever other helpers exist I guess. I think yay is the most popular one so it's the one I'd say should sandbox AUR packages by default.

>>109445245
I just updated as well.
Still on 6.18 though. Would be a huge bother to go to 7.x anyway, recompiling all the damn packages.

>>109459423
>extracting a Playstation 1 bin/cue CD image
noob here
right-click extract to with the built-in 7zip? Check if you have 7zip available in your repository

>>109459478
The trouble is, even if they offer some chroot / sandbox option to build packages in (which would be a good idea), as soon as you install it onto your host system then that package will have full access to do whatever it wants to anyway.

I don't think tools like Yay are going to become full-on container orchestration systems. It's the wrong tool for the job and users shouldn't use it for that.

just setup resolve via davincibox. i love containers now.

>>109459388
>Again, AUR package managers should be in charge of this by default.
You should be using a different distro. I know this nanny bullshit is the current """cyber security"'" meme, but to a programmer it sounds fucking deranged. I don't need an attack surface multiplier. I know what I'm doing.

>>109459500
>as soon as you install it onto your host system
That's the thing, I'm not saying only the build step should be in the sandbox. The package should be installed in that sandbox and run inside it.
In some cases this can't work since not all packages are scripts or apps, which is why I'm saying the person installing the package should be able to manually opt out of the sandbox. I'd rather take a safe default which can easily be opted out of than an unsafe default which requires more steps and knowledge to opt into.
>It's the wrong tool for the job
I don't know if I agree. What yay is effectively doing is pulling and running an unverified build script or binary, which is a potentially dangerous and system-breaking operation. So it is the weak link here that should be hardened.
I can't really think of any better permanent solution or a better place to implement the sandbox in. The only other solution I can think of is abandoning the AUR altogether and replacing it with something better.

>>109459665
>I know what I'm doing.
Famous last words of an overconfident power user.

>>109455631
>I used Linux in the year 1999
...and yet, you're still posting cringe shite at your age.

>>109459714
>That's the thing, I'm not saying only the build step should be in the sandbox. The package should be installed in that sandbox and run inside it.
But that's not the job of tools like Yay.

To do that it would have to become an entire container runtime orchestration system and have commands like

yay run <SOFTWARE>

/

yay stop <SOFTWARE>

,

yay restart <SOFTWARE>

, etc.

If people want to sandbox the software they install then their already tooling out there to do that. It's not the job of a package manager to dictate how you run the software you installed with it.

>>109459479
Why would you need to recompile anything when updooting a kernel?

>>109449022
>tick tock
Changed from Omarchy to Arch on my lappy around a month ago with latest vulnerability, Discovered Arch is perfectly usable without using the AUR.

>>109459714
>Famous last words of an overconfident power user
At this point I've gone like 30 years with no incidents, so I'll take my chances. Thanks for your concern though.

>>109459777
>It's not the job of a package manager to dictate how you run the software you installed with it.
Let's just agree to disagree then.

>>109459423
fuseiso -p <bin file> <mount path>

>>109459777
trips
NTA but who in their right minds would essentially pound on a nail using a screwdriver? That's what this is, use the right tool for the right job.

>>109459882
Indeed. I understand your viewpoint but Yay is not suddenly going to become Docker or Podman or BubbleWrap, etc.

>>109459500
You want do default sandboxing on the build, but can't chroot the application. Maybe firejail would ease the technical curve

>>109460031
Yeah, there's lots of options. Systemd nspawn is another option to consider:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-nspawn

I'm pretty sure Archlinux's build infrastructure runs on top of that. It's not something package managers are going to do for you though.

Probably, it would be best to convince people to use something like Flatpak instead if you want sandboxing by default.

>>109459889
Thanks! That worked. I just had to make sure to mount the .bin file, not the cue.

And I found this to unmount it:
fusermount -u <mountpoint>

I installed Linux Mint back in February on its own nvme. I had my Windows install on the other nvme. I just recently wiped the Windows install, but there's still a small (~500MB) partition on that drive called "Microsoft Windows Recovery Environment" and I think Mint installed its bootloader alongside the Windows one or something like that? At least I'm still seeing a Windows option in grub when I boot. Can I safely get rid of that Recovery Environment partition? And what can I do about the boot loader?

>>109460190
If grub is the boot loader, it shouldn't be a problem.

If you want to merge the free space to an existing partition, you might need to use a live image, since it's positional.

last time I was running wayland the compositor was adding an unbearable amount of latency to my games to the point where it just wasn't playable like a 30fps vsync levels of bad. Xorg worked perfectly fine but since it's not actively being developed anymore I'm wondering if there are any ways to make wayland usable for gaming. cheers. (im on nvidia gpu)

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>>109455523
this anon again.
>>109456101
so according to pic related from debian's website, unstable isnt supported by the security team at all, or at least seemingly less than testing. plus it says only experienced users should use it, which i am not. why not just go with stable, then? in my case, at least. shouldnt i be able to get the updated versions of packages through flatpak, anyway? so them being not up to date doesnt seem to be too big an issue. or am i wrong?

why is godot being such a massive bitch on linux for me? i've tried using X11 and it lags massively, i've tried using wayland but wayland on my rtx 3050 just doesnt fucking work properly (i dont know why)

whenever im debugging my game i have to click the window for it to actually start doing stuff (weird but ok its not that annoying or breaking) but then the random fps freezes happen, while debugging i can't interact with the code because it becomes extremely laggy its insane, exiting fullscreen on the game just puts the window out of reach, stuff just randomly crashes everywhere and im tired. none of this shit happens on windows 10 iot ltsc.

no, its not a driver issue. you think i should just wait until i can afford amd gpu? right now its hair pullingly annoying to use godot on linux with nvidia for me

>>109460509
>any distro recommendations?
I would say just get Linux mint, but since you're asking about Debian then yeah just pick Debian stable
>so them being not up to date doesnt seem to be too big an issue. or am i wrong?
Correct, the only exception is software that needs to interact directly with your system or kernel, such as VirtualBox.

>>109460481
How are you running the game? If it's via XWayland then I would try running it natively as a Wayland client via the appropriate environment variables instead.

This will break Steam Input and the overlay but you probably don't need that anyway.

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I'm done distrohopping.

>>109460771
just use nixos at this point

>>109460784
no.

>>109460509
when people say debian is conservative with packages they really really mean it, like even the unstable branch is not that unstable

do keep in mind debians main job is running the worlds servers.

flatpaks are cool but its really only limited to a small number of gui apps (which might be enough for you idk)
homebrew is also an option, and if you are brave enough, nix packages

That being said if you want up to date packages, no bloat, and no corporate slop, that is basically what arch is for (or a beginner friendly fork like cachyos)

>>109460771
>7.x kernel
probably not

>>109460822
>debians main job is running the worlds servers
never seen a debian server. it's always rhel, ubuntu server or alpine.

>>109460874
What's wrong with this kernel?

>>109460509
>unstable isnt supported by the security team at all
As if that matters. Debian security primarily relies on CVEs reported by big corporations. Anything that is not reported never gets patched and only silently gets fixed when you upgrade to the next version of Debian.

>>109460771
You don't turn off the iGPU? How do you know your games don't use it?

>>109461002
because games use the gpu that is connected to the monitor by default?

>>109461002
Good point actually. I'm like 90% sure they don't, but I'll disable it just to be safe.

>>109460893
one of the most popular server OSes btw, alongside ubuntu (also debian)

>>109461023
>ubuntu (also debian)
apart from everything around it + the 1000 changes the made over the years to every ubuntu release. also word press servers don't count. most servers don't face the public at all.

>>109461036
all of my server infra runs on debian :)
debian is a server distro!

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>>109461061
wrong again.

>>109460822
so then, all of this stuff about packages being conservative is making me consider fedora. ive gotta go to work in about 30 minutes, but ill look into fedora while there probably.
also, >>109455868
i found a good deal on a samsung sata SSD 2 tb, so i bought it. i did buy the sata to usb 3.1 2nd gen adapter as well, but im considering replacing my current 1tb HDD with the new 2.5" SSD, since my drive case can supposedly hold both, and since i dont think running an OS off a USB cable is a good idea long term.

>>109461009
what is the output of

 echo "$DRI_PRIME" 

>>109461083
1

>>109460509
Security are mostly ported from upstream project.
Not sure why debian is creating some myth.

Back when it was a true stable patches had to be back ported, now days it looks like automated builds under a pretentious title.

>>109461083
>echo "$DRI_PRIME"
Huh, I didn't get any output. The one game I've booted into to confirm NTSYNC was working ran just fine though.

>>109461076
me again.
considering switching vpns since the one im currently on is a bit sketchy considering its server location (take a guess), any recommendations that function on debian/fedora (one of the two ill go for most likely)? also torrent client since the one i use isn't on linux. i could hop around /g/ if this isnt the place to ask for that.