What the fuck. I used to think TSMC was the final boss, but they're basically just running equipment built by one Dutch company. They can't do anything without ASML. This one Dutch company makes the only EUV machines on the planet, $400M each and nobody has managed to copy them. They make these like 10 a year. Even the copycat king can't copy their 10 year old technology.They're rarer than B-2 bombers, and the US basically uses them to block everyone else from making modern chips. How is this company not more popular? Holy shit, the Dutch actually won, the true upcoming superpower
>>109448609i think it's quite funny how the dutch goverment seems to not have any interest at all in taking advantage of this
>>109448609Again proving the white man's superiortyAnd the white man does not even care to abuse this.
>>109448609retard
>>109448609Will be made completely obsolete by nanoimprint lithography within a few years
>>1094486091. they heavily modify the machines, that's why tsmc can print stuff that no other asml client can, even if they buy the same machines2. asml itself doesn't really do much, the most important and complex part (the euv source) is made by an american company3. most of the research to make the machines wasn't done by asml itself, it was done by the american department of energy, and then licensed to asml4. most other parts aren't made by asml either, but by a cottage industry of international contractorseverything is fake, all big brands are potemkin villages and facades that merely shuffle around shit they buy from no-brand, no-name companies and contractors that you will never hear about. why? because a business that is easy to understand is easy to tax, so adding complexity has become a vector for business optimization (tax evasion)
literally alien tech, their patent is water drops and never miss with the laser and this is the sole reason china is behind lol
>>109448626From what I understand it has always essentially been US controlled but run in the Netherlands to make the monopoly more acceptable for other countries. Maybe someone who understands the ins and outs can explain it better
>>109448609And your processor spies on your arse. Keep that in mind.
>>109448833Hopefully they love what they see.
>>109448981they don't, that's why you're going extinct
>>109448609Just a glorified printerMove on.They have ran out of idea to hype.
>>109449030Yeah, but it can print your mumma's assSo it is a god tier tech
>>109448787No, it was not US controlled but a lot of US funds bought shares in ASML, so now their ownership structure is multinational.And since Euros continue to cuck to Uncle Sam for defence, the Dutch don't dare do anything that would upset the mutts.If they were ballsy they would declare it strategic and nationalise it.And stop shipping any machines outside Europe.And tell TSMC "if you want to build chips you move here and build here"Because let's get real TSMC does this because Taiwan wants to keep the West hostage to its security interests. So they would never willingly transfer knowhow from TSMC.
>>109448609We told you it was alien space magic. No one listened.
>>109448735>2. asml itself doesn't really do much, the most important and complex part (the euv source) is made by an american companyFalse. ASML only takes some quarts and maybe some design parts from the US.But the most unreplicable part of the machine is the light source, which is based on optics made by Zeiss. You need such a level of purity that nobody on the planet can achieve except Zeiss. Not even the chinks who had engineers that worked at ASML were able to replicate that. Which is why an ASML machine is the size of a bus and can print the latest nodes, while the Chinese one is the size of a whole floor and can only do 10 years old nodes.
Its slightly frustrating that sure you have pictures and explanations of the asml machines functions but you have jack on tsmc production steps since trade secrets.Itd be really neat to see the entire process from growing the crystal monolith to a finished chip
>>109448609Holy shit, you're only finding now about one of the most important companies in the world?It's real-world value is probably higher than Apple and Microsoft combined.Wait until you learn that those machines can only be built with lenses fabricated exclusively by Carl ZEISS. So another European technology monopoly.
>>109451190I think if other companies were seriously pursuing euv theyd just have a different company to do the mirrors. Thus far no one has been doing euv besides asml so theres no reason to make flat mirrors.
>>109448609>This one Dutch company makes the only EUV machines on the planet, $400M each and nobody has managed to copy them.lol lmaoanon, the world is a lot more coordinated than you think. Competition doesn't exist for the truly important things, out of design.
>>109448722>>109448691lel having a melty already kek
>>109451261>>109451190BUT WHAT ABOUT CHINA....
>>109451190it's crazy how both of these companies basically lucked their way into successall of these other competitors going around and they just happened to really really believe in EUV while no one else did
>>109448609>I used to think TSMC was the final bossthey are. asml build the furnaces, tsmc is the cook. other companies also have asml machines (intel, samsung, ...) but none are as good as tsmc.
>>109450566Its not the lens really, do you know the process to produce the correct EV light? Its so ridiculous it was only fantasized in theory until asml actually succeeded in implementing, they hit mercury (?) droplets mid air, multiple times with lasers to transform them in the correct shape and then explode them to generate the light
Congrats anon, you just discovered <SUPPLY CHAINS>. Your units now get produced +15% faster and your caravans get 1 extra move per turn.Now go on a bit further and figure out who supplies ASML with similar, non-fungible technology (hint: Zeiss, and others). It's critical dependencies all the way down.
>>109451401tin droplets, they were hitting 60000 droplets a second, 3 times each. their goal was 100k a second for even more light
>>109448609upcoming? Dutch invented the modern world
>>109451234>Thus far no one has been doing euv besides asml so theres no reason to make flat mirrors.Maybe no one is doing EUV because it's impossible to do without ZEISS lenses.>>109451341>really really believe in EUVWhat were the other companies try to do?And about how many nm was EUV first used on?
>>109448609All these companies depend on Japanese semiconductor materials. America banned Japan from producing computer hardware in the 1990s so Japan went all in on chemical manufacturing.Japan produces over 50% of the world's semiconductor materials, holding near-monopolies on critical ultra-pure chemicals, silicon wafers, and advanced photoresists essential for global chip manufacturing by companies like TSMC, Samsung, and IntelPhotoresists (EUV, ArF, KrF): Light-sensitive polymers used to etch circuits. Japanese firms supply over 90% of advanced needs.Silicon Wafers: Raw foundational substrates for microchips. Japan commands roughly 60% of the global market.
>>109451401>>109451449We have truly achieved wizardry.
I work at an Intel fab. These machines are such fragile, buggy pieces of shit. The fact that the world depends these machines is fucking terrifying.
>>109450538>>109448626>>109448609The dutch will never again be a superpower. The last time they were, the bomb was not yet invented, and now we have nukes or at least VERY strong ICBMs. If you understand the GEO in geopolitics enough to know that Iran/Persia is and will always be in a very good spot, think of the Netherlands as the polar opposite of that. One well placed bomb at the dyke will flood nearly the entire country immediately (because it's below sea level), it's kinda like what bombing the three gorges dam would cause to china.
>>109448787basically yes>>109450538no so what is now asml was given a lot of technology by the us department of energy in the 90s. basically their entire modern technology stack comes from this. this is why the us can dictate terms in the way it does and why they still effectively control it. if you take technology like that, and it's teh same for all military technologies as well, the originating country (the us 90% of the time) can veto who you do and do not give it to. a big example of this is sensors in missiles. most of them are actually either sourced from the us or based on american technology, so you have to ask american permission to sell it on. another great example is the f-16, countries cannot sell their airframes without us permission. it's the same across all nato/western countries. same applies to all high-end, semi-national security sensitive shit. the exact motivation for this is something to speculate on, but probably was so the feds could control the world microprocessor market in a way more acceptable to eurofags, who were back then becoming more and more irrelevant each day after the fall of the soviet union and clustering around the emergent eu as their main hope for the future.
>>109451675>The last time they were, the bomb was not yet invented,nigger the fucking rifle was not yet invented. they haven't been relevant for hundreds of years.
>>109451745the point is "any quick threat to their dyke shenanigains" was not yet invented outside of the shovel.
>>109451675>the Netherlanders will NEVER be a superpower>for these reasons>by the way these reasons also apply directly to China, who is arguable more powerful than the USA at this point
>>109451761kek>>109451779seething dutch cope
>>109451401it was 20+ years of research by several companies and countries. various companies threw their hands up over cost. eventually only asml remained, and basically benefitted from all of said companies and countries spending money on them. its not like the dutch woke up with the answer one day.
>>109451517what
>>109451661i will wear a pepe under my bunny suit if you do
>>109451841D T CTC
>>109451861i say againwhat
>>109452007they used boats to ship spices around and since they used a lot of trade they needed a central bank
>>109452014that was the florentiners
>>109448626US government (israel) would flood netherlands with moroccans or other turd worlders, like they did with spain.
who caresreal question is how to get cute dutch gf
>>109448609>the true upcoming superpowerIt's always been the Dutch-Anglo-Zionist administrative complex. Why do you think the most important small company in the world is in the Netherlands?
>>109452068total anglo victory yet againdutch are basically anglos that speak a made up nonsense language anyway
>>10945206850b revenue is not a small company
>>109451858I'm already on probation for making a joke about the Hollywood class being pedophiles.
>>109448609We're still stuck at 10nm pretty much.The EUV machines is what take you there.TSMC is the final boss because they do a shitload of optimizations in the components themselves to pack more into the same space which is how they reach ((2nm)).It's "the component density that we would achieve with normal components if we could do 2nm".The main difference is that every new process makes the transistors more expensive instead of halving the costs as it was until 10nm.
>>109452275>marketing term, marketing term, marketing term.thank you for your worthless rambling.
>>109451715BS muttoid cope. If Americans were able to build ASML machines they would have done it. But they lack the advanced physics brains that can be found in northwestern Europe where physics departments are the best in the world. Same reason why Europe has the CERN, because academic physics is better in Europe than in the USA. And that's reflected in very fine hightech industry. Like optics, photonics, lasers. Of which Europe produces the best.And the USA without Chinese academics would be pretty much insignificant in this space. What fine industry does the USA have? All the advanced electronics are outsourced to Asia. What the USA has is jewish financial ponzi schemes and "design". It doesn't produce any core technology that everyone needs to build something critical like chips.
>>109452319Okay, where's the PS4 lite? like the $100 top loader piece of shit made for the third world?It's dead son, no more "wait 18 months, get twice the power for the same price".If you want more transistors, you pay more.If you want more power efficent transistors, you pay even more.
>>109452348
>>109452275you have no idea what youre talking about. stop talking.
Legend Dijkstra told the story of how during his youth he wrote code for a machine that did not exist yet, the Electrologica.https://youtu.be/RCCigccBzIU?t=1163https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrologica
>>109452223rookie move.
>>109452348>no i will NOT take 5 seconds to google what anon is saying, i will instead type up an entire paragraph of stuff i made up in my head
Didn't the Chinese buy ASML?
>>109452652hacked, yessent nationals to work there that walked out with flash drives full of goodies, yesbought, no
>>109452652They let China buy one of their lower end machines. Chang took it apart to try and reverse engineer it but then couldn't figure out how to put it back together again. They had to fly technicians in from the Netherlands to fix it for them.
it wont solve. see, the consumer aka layman electronics and workstations dont need much power for operation. military? also better stay low with improved reliability. smaller size - faster thermal death. there are limits everywhere and these machines are very complicated and production is specialized, so call it bleeding edge, okay.this is destroyed tech on the pic, in Germany btw
>>109448722Process engineer at my company when you mention a single word about nanoimprint will go on a 5 hour long tirsde how dogshit and dead end the whole technology is and that it won't ever be working because it's entire premise is against laws of physics
>>109451401>>109451190There are no lenses. The entire system works with special Bragg reflecting mirrors. There is not a single material on the earth you can use as a lens as they would absorb all the light at this wavelength
>>109451592>really really believe in EUV>What were the other companies try to doX-ray litho wound be cool.The tiny little drawback is that you need a synchrotron as a light source
>>109452812>specialnope
>>109452865The fact that it's a Bragg reflector already makes the mirror special, you dumb dumb
>>109452876nope. this shit is more than 100 years old.
>>109448689>whiteBrion Technologies was founded by 2 chinese men, and they built the software behind these machinesASML bought them
Another eurowank thread while in reality all they can innovate is water bottle caps lol
>>109451190>Wait until you learn that those machines can only be built withnigga there are a trillion hyper specialised companies making this shit possible
>>109448609>the only EUV machines on the planetIt's just a fancy black light. Calm down.
>>109453871asml desperately wants to sell their shit to china since each sale funds loads of peoples retirement
>>109451779>lobbing a (1, one) grenade roughly at the coast from a speedboat and let gravity do the restvs.>trying to get an ICBM to fly over China for roughly 1000km undetected and not shot downkanker
>>109451779>>by the way these reasons also apply directly to China, who is arguable more powerful than the USA at this pointThanks I really needed that laugh.
>>109452065Be brown
>>109454349I think he said gf, not rape
>>109448626>Why don't they take advantage of this situation?. It's their tech.That would be like an oil rich nation taking advantage of their oil instead of peacefully cooperating with the USA.
>>109451675Strait's still closed
>>109448609>>109448626The Dutch government has zero authority over this since the company basically uses 90% of American patents Also China is slowly but steady making progress
>>109448609Look at this. This is why no one will be like whites. They built the most complex shit in the world, power everything the rest of the world uses with their tech, and YET you havent seen a single brag about this machine by the Dutch, ever. They just quietly drop the highest IQ engineering on the planet and move on.Meanwhile, some self-described "upcoming superpowers" complete a basic highway or rail project and present it as a civilization-defining achievement. The emphasis often seems to be on optics, symbolism, and national prestige rather than the technical accomplishment itself. When whites do it, it's an achievement for humanity; when non-whites do it, it's an achievement for their bumfuck hole nation—the absolute dissimilitude.
>>109454950if whites are so smart why did they fill their countries with disgusting jeets though
>>109454950Yeah that's one thing that annoys me about some chinese, I saw some of them bragging that they shouldnt sell chinese air conditioners to europeans because it would mess up the historical aesthetic of their buildings (said sarcastically), nevermind that the air con, or vortex tube was invented by a frenchmanBut theyre like the US maga crowd you get idiots everywhere
>>109454966In order to continue to dominate the world via power projection, something Asian countries are finding out the hard way, imagine being lorded over by jeets.
>>109454966Jeff benzos wants cheap labour and you want cheap deliveries
>>109455018To quote an engineer: "Chinese engineering is good for only two things: Finding idiots who will buy the same product that will fail again in 10 years and being incredibly cheap."
>zoomers discovering that chip supply chains are world spanninggood, read more about this
>>109448626Because they don't own 100% of the patent.A lot of R&D was started by the USA.
>>109455055sounds like cope
>>109455191>>109454928Then why they don't just make them in murrica?
>>109450152
>>109455290That's exactly what Trump is trying to do lolAmericans gave away a lot of their industries
>>109454491>muh 20 million rape holocaustmost young European white girls are giant whores from a really young age, it's in their blood, they whore out and when they get caught they blame it on rape. It only takes browsing porn omegle clips to know how it is easy for them to be slut for faceless random strangers online, and let not talk about how easy they fold for strangers on discord and telegram. While their parents are absent because le "freedom" and especially their fathers are cucks. I remember a story of a man who his young daughter would beat him after he tried to stop her from going outside in the middle of the night in slutty clothes. Man, especially those UK girls, they're the sluts of sluts. Then you import millions of uncivilized horny turdworlders and you're creating a disaster.
>>109455436>Can't tell the difference between Americans and EuropeansImagine bragging about jerking off to illegal porn...
>>109448609Apollo tier >ASML does not actually manufacture most of the parts inside its machines. Instead, it acts as the master system integrator for over 5,000 highly specialized global suppliers
>>109455436And yet China is being beaten by them still... It's almost like its cope... Or should we start busting out the Chinese men licking and kissing the feet of women to beg for a date?
>>109450538>Because let's get real TSMC does this because Taiwan wants to keep the West hostage to its security interests.china is waiting on biden's CHIPS act to start producing results within the next 4-5 years before beginning military action.geopolitics is all theater and slow moving.
>>109451290>bricstopkek
>>109454950>They just quietly drop the highest IQ engineering on the planet and move on.except just by raw numbers, it's chinese and indians who study in western(mostly american) universities who are actually the best engineers on the planet.
>>109455519>it's chinese and indians who study in western(mostly american) universities who are actually the best engineers on the planet.It's actually white people because most of them don't get good jobs or get shipped back. If you look at all the innovation research, its lead by a white man with asians as assistants. Majority of Chinese and Indian researches spend more time faking results than actually doing anything of value, which is why India and China lag behind so much compared to America.
>>109455519Would be cool if their countries technological status reflected that
Full disclosure: I'm a Dutch citizen and work for ASML.It's more than that. First of all EUV is actually our last generation product. Our current flagship is "High-NA EUV". While EUV is in the name It's a completely new technology and only Intel has bought these machines thus far.To give you some perspective China doesn't even have a DUV level of machine which is decades old now. Xi Jinping is aiming to have a DUV capable machine by 2030 (they are behind schedule on it) and an EUV machine by 2045.I want people to realize what that means. China is proudly planning and announcing that they will have our LAST GEN machine capability in 2045. While we, in 2026 already are on the next paradigm.This is why the West is going to win the AI race and why the EU will be a big player within it. During the upscale of AI every fab will eventually need to buy our new High-NA machines. The entire AI industry will be dependent on it.
>>109455436Holy Indian postYou people should be nuked by China already
>>109455577no one buys this In 10 years China will have almost on par capabilities, they're poaching everyone and already got the memory market
>>109455548>Would be cool if their countries technological status reflected thatno it wouldn't. I would much rather have them stay in the west after they benefit from our education system.
>>109455670NTA but having the "memory market" doesn't mean anything. I work in digital design for microelectronics and their expertise is mainly in routed IPs. They know what to do with the machines, they don't know how to make the machines themselves. Someone in the thread mentioned Carl-Zeiss and this is a good example : it's the only company in the world capable of doing the UV optics for the EUV machine. No one else can, and obviously a lot tried. Sure, a lot of countries, china included, can make some wafers at EUV range, but they're done in academic labs and will never be economically viable. Couple the optic expertise with... everything else, really, and you understand how insane those machines are : the molten tin lens EUV source, the nanometer-precision carts moving at 20G's, the sensors measuring at the picometer resolutions over centimeters, the fucking algorithms that make the entire thing stable ?? people don't get it but those machines are by far more impressive that the moon landing or anything else humanity has ever made, ever.
>>109448626Start a war with NATO and find out?
>>109454889precisely. as I said, no matter how many nukes the burgers have, the Iran can just dump some mines into the straight to have an economic nuke on their hands, i.e. burgerlands archilles heel. a nuke with no (immediate, direct) deaths associated, hitting the US right in the petrodollar system where it hurts to great kvetching.
>>109455519lollmao even
>>109455830clearly ntaclearly full of shit
>>109455880I wish i worked for ASML lmfao. I'm doing something called Hardware verification (UVM) for Thales Alenia Space in France. the ASML machines specs are online, you can just check them yourself. there's a reason no one, including the US, makes them. They're a global effort, and no single country (not even the Dutch) can manufacture them.
>>109448609If the Dutch are so smart, why can't they run their own machines? Just push the button retard, it's not that hard.
>>109454966You only care about jeets because they ruined your DEI scam. Dumb commie.
>>109455577Nice but all China needs to do is to create real AI that can run on a potato hardware for free and AI race is done. Human brains work like that, even animals are conscious and self-aware to some extent, so it's only a matter of time. Chinese probably already know this.
>>109455577>While we, in 2026 already areyou dont need complicated machines, wespeaker. Turbines are also very complex devices and "winning AI" is a turbohype you bought in. provide the worker ID btw.
>>109448787Probably also because if it was in US, Chinese spies would have copied them by now or some private equity Jew would have sold the blueprints. All US technology has been copied by chunks, but lot of Euro tech is still impossible to build by Chinese. European automakers still make the best combustion engines, China just beats EU because they make better EVs.
>>109448609and Swiss make the Zeiss optics that enable this machine to exist
>>109455577China will win the AI race because US will bankrupt itself and Jacketjew will sell all NVIDIA hardware to China. China also has 2x more AI researchers then the whole west combined and 5x electricity capacity. The moment US AI companies collapse under their own terrible finances all of the data enter hardware will be sold off to China and they will run more efficient models there. And at the end of the day Jews will blame the average citizen for it because people don’t like AI, because normies calling AI videos slop is totally the reason why OpenAI has been incapable of approaching making profit.
>>109455577explain, does it still shoot tin or whatever to make UV or its some even newer thing?
>>109456458show official statements of CCP or Xi about this imaginary "AI race China wants to win".these goofy tales only come from AI-guddite's corroded brains
This is the stuff whites should be bragging about not cowboy hats and ufc
>>109448626The Dutch need H-1Bs. 50,000/annum.
>>109456498Idk, maybe the publicly available 5 year plan that China releases every 5 years? Also I agree that the AI race is mostly a meme because if US wins it they get nothing but their country ruined, and if China wins same shit happens. AGI can do everyone’s job but it’s not magic, office work gets automated and US has no real industry so without white collar labour it has nothing to make money.
>>109452055>wouldask me how I know you don't live here
>>109456536he isnt jumpstyling in public?
>>109456536ask me how i know you post on reddit
>>109456517You better home America wins considering that almost every country in the world, including China, takes US subsidies to run their own countries.
>>109452828oh, I see. And it didn't pay off?>>109453364Sure anon, such as?
>>109456920Xray litho was how euv got started. A japanese prof in the 80s. The tech evolved into what it is today because you cant buy a synchrotron at home depot.
>>109448609Wait until you learn silicon baking depends on one unique quartz deposit.https://www.techspot.com/news/102377-two-mines-north-carolina-key-suppliers-world-semiconductor.html
>>109453910If Mutts weren't guarding it with their life, Eurocucks would have sold this shit years ago
>>109456963The west is just blessed personally by god
>>109452767Well he's wrong
>>109456498AI is made to farm swarthoids.
Their history is quite nice, they weren't the only ones trying to research EUV but almost everyone had thought it was impossible while they kept going (and burning through their investment money). That being said they pretty much kicked down the ladder since their supply chain is so large and specialized no other company could do the same (not just china but also other euro and american companies, though china certainly is doing their best to copy it)
>>109448609everyone does, not just tsmc
>>109448609>Holy shit I just learned about ASML machines>What the fuck. I used to think TSMC was the final boss, but they're basically just running equipment built by one Dutch company. not just tsmc, everyone in the world>This one Dutch company makes the only EUV machines on the planet, $400M each and nobody has managed to copy them.china made their own recently >Even the copycat king can't copy their 10 year old technology.see above>They're rarer than B-2 bombers, and the US basically uses them to block everyone else from making modern chips. wtf does it even mean? also you're wrong.>How is this company not more popular? same reason companies like haas, okuma and mazak are something you also never heard of>Holy shit, the Dutch actually won, the true upcoming superpowernah nigger, like with many examples above it's just retardation acting up.
>>109448609>Show tulips to the Dutch >It's over
>>109451661>the machines are so fragileI don't see you making one that is any better?
China WON, US and EU LOST HARDER
>>109448609Thinkpads VVQN
>>109451661>these, by far, most advanced pieces of cutting edge technology in the world are fragileI'm not sure what the heck were you expecting.
wait till you learn about the machines hitting tin droplets with lasers in a way that sounds like science fiction.hopefully you will realize later how retarded and over-engineered the whole thing is.
>>109458378ok we're all waiting for your euv design then anon
>>109448609Every time I see these fags all dressed up and not wearing glasses to catch their falling eyelashes, and brows, and dead skin, and shit. I remember watching a video about that giga telescope, and how one nano-bumb on the lens's surface and its ouvre, and the people working on it are not even fully covered. It baffles me every time. Like, this is the most expensive worksite and the sterility discipline is seemingly loose!
>>109458404sure. just give me $100bnin all seriousness, I hope the chinese manage to leapfrog this shit, and they do so in a way that mass produced electronics becomes even cheaper than it was some years ago.
>>109458441Anon such photo's and videos do not actually show the people working on the thing. They hire multi-culti actors and leave that portion of the body visible on purpose so they can present it as "Look, the scientists are so diverse! There's Tyrone and Chin Chong! We even have a paki!"
>>109458475all im seeing is lizard people
>>109448626Isn't it all the US' technology anyway? The Dutch have never created anything useful.
>>109452055Why are European so weak?They're either blaming Israel and the US or Russia for a handful of illegals.Meanwhile, the Mediterranean Sea is wide open and they allow NGOs to go out and help dock countless boats with tens of millions of illegals.
>>109448609Wait till you hear about the research at IMEC in Belgium. It's insane how almost nobody out of the sector knows about it.
>>109456951>you cant buy a synchrotron at home depot.I just got one
>>109456517so nothing, only AI-guddite babble about AGI. what about NGI? do AI-guddites bear NGI or they are AGI drones
>>109448626the USA control ASML despite it being dutch. the usa will and does threaten the dutch government if asml does anything the us government doesnt like. what i find interesting is that the physics behind the machines is known, but no one can make a machine which does the process. people, me not included, understand the machines but cannot remake it.
>>109456837Do burgers really believe this shit? Unless by subsidies you mean printing money so you can cause local inflation and buy slop from elsewhere.
>>109459958You mean natural general intelligence? Yeah sorry but humans need 20 years before becoming productive and also need sleep, vacations, and eat expensive food instead of electricity.
>>109459632They are arguably the strongest collective in the world (or second strongest). It's just all the productive forces of each individual is usurped by the entities controlling their collective governance and directed back against them.
>>109458378why does this specific part of the machine impress everyone? lasers are incredibly fast and you can calculate the position of the droplet at any given time to fire of the lasers
>>109460227>Europeans once again displaying how they think knowing imaginary lines on the globe = intelligenceIt's actually true, every government on the planet takes US money to run themselves except for 2. Most European countries would be bankrupt now if they weren't spending America's money.
>>109448609the worst part is every major process leap has caused a major competitor to call it quitsnow we just have asml, and its likely to remain that way unless someone wants to dump billions into a competitor with little chance of succeeding
>>109462722I never got the geology flex either, I'd say its more of a flex that you're so successful that people in your country don't know another language or your country. It shows that you lack respect for them and their culture, the true Roman way. Holding your noses up as some backwater savage claims to be civilized because they get free healthcare while they live in poverty.
>>109458441>picthat's how much VRAM I want.
>>109448609>ASML machines3D printing nano technology is pretty elite in my opinion.
>They make these like 10 a yearAnd they sell them to whom exactly? It's only TSMC making cutting edge cpu's.. Samsung, Intel and others are shit.
>>109448609look up Lasertec Corp and Zeiss. Point is ASML isn't the only one that's the 'final boss'. Advanced chipmaking is surprisingly brittle, a single company in the pipeline going belly up can ruin the whole chain
Why don't they just make a mold for the circuit and cast it with silicon?This is retarded and overengineered.
>>109451661>>109451858>PGV
>>109448626Basically every EU country is a vassal state of the US, but especially the smaller ones like the Netherlands.
>>109463259>3d printing nano techI sleep until we can print things that aren't plastic or materials mixed with plastic if I'm being honest.
>>109462722China shills got real quiet once they saw that their Holy Cow takes and is run off of American Capital.
>>109463534This guy gets it, if you remember when Trump and Vance went to the EU and he got up there and said "If it wasn't for America, many of your countries wouldn't exist.", he wasn't joking. He is legit reminding the politicians that they traded their freedom to remain an independent state, which is incredibly ironic. It's like becoming a slave to avoid living out in the woods on your own.
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>>109448735>because a business that is easy to understand is easy to tax, so adding complexity has become a vector for business optimization (tax evasion)That's not true, in Canada (I'm not Canadian kek) they had one of their power plants hacked and the hackers destroyed the Power Plant's ability to measure how much energy the grid was using, so instead of shutting down the Power Plant to fix it, they are just charging people random fucking amounts claiming its based on "their 10 year average" except its not cause it fluctuates all the time and some people who are paying way more than they used too and others who are off the grid are getting bills and when they call to dispute it they are told that they have to pay it or they'll go straight to jail until their court date.You can always make something way too complex to the point that the people who tax it don't understand it, over tax it, and kill it. You want to walk the line that its understandable enough to tax, but not understandable enough to tax efficiently or completely.
>>109448626The Dutch government has been far too busy dealing with some made-up nitrogen pollution crisis for the past decade to focus on anything else.
>>109448609Its a fucking laser with mirrors that is well researched. And the chinks went from zero to their first prototype within two years.You are just falling for propaganda.The reason why you dont see others doing it is patents.Next you will find out that ASML actually doesnt even produce either the mirror or the laser, and you will jerk off about Zeiss.
>>109464918>The EU>"It's getting hot!">"We need a way to reduce carbon!">"Lets just let everyone die from heat exhaustion while importing people from hotter climates who don't give a fuck!"Genius....
>>109450566>ASML machine is the size of a bus and can print the latest nodes, while the Chinese one is the size of a whole floor and can only do 10 years old nodes.OP claimed that nobody else can do it.Now we already transitioned to "the Chinks can do so as well, but its larger".Funny how fast this goes.
>>109465170ASML is economically viabletsmc, samsung, intel etc make economically viable chipschina makes tools that only make sense to secure local supplyit only works with tax subsidiesthe chips arent worth it to sell abroad
>>109453009>Brion Technologies was founded by 2 chinese men, and they built the software behind these machinesASML bought themThe technology used in these machines was pioneered by white men decades ago during the cold war and refined and improved at great cost over many years. I don't care how many chinese men buy their way into a company in the present era.>also if you want to be turbo autist then korea and japan have contributed more to this industry than china has
>>109452907special things can be over 100 years old
>>109448626It's one small cuntry they'd get shitstomped by any real country
>>109455577By 2045 there will be no more native Dutch
>>109465330>actually, its decades old techlook how the more this thread progresses, the less impressive ASML soundsUntil OP makes the next>OMG I TOTALLY JUST LEARNED ABOUT ASML JUST NOW, I WAS TOTALLY LIVING UNDER A ROCK AND DIDN'T WITNESS ANY OF THE PREVIOUS HUNDRED SHILL THREADSthread tomorrow, then we are back to zero
>>109465593ASML the company is not impressive but the machines that they build with the help of hundreds of third party manufacturers and decades of R&D from thousands of different people is actually impressive. A fantastic example of the compounding effect of human achievement and discovery over the generations. ASML will not be the final step in this process of invention either, just another stepping stone on the path to progressing ever forward. Other companies will come later.
>>109465625>the machines that they build with the help of hundreds of third party manufacturers and decades of R&D from thousands of different people is actually impressiveWell, of course, in the same sense any process of manufacturing industrial equipment is impressive.They all work like this. They all have a bunch of specialized companies with R&D in the chain.Because, guess what: It's not economically viable to have lots of competition when it's about factory equipment.You see the same type of monopolies when it's about something like pumps for gas pipelines, hydraulic turbines or refinery equipment etc. All that stuff that needs to be specifically made for a specific purpose of a specific type of industrial plant.Lets say a country wants to have 10 factories producing product X and for this they need 10 devices Y that do Z. Does it make sense to spend billions to develop Y yourself, just to build it 10 times and then... dissolve that company again?... or what do i do then?So what happens is that all international actors, that are interested in building such factories, invest together to build up a production chain of Y. And they make sure that Y isn't in control of a single company, in order to not get blackmailed down the line.So the production of Y is a chain of individual companies that, every single one taken by itself, is easily replaceable. Then they add patent-cuckery on top to make them legally dependent as well.And that is what ASML is, and that is why ASML is such a cuck company that follows third party orders and why the dutch have no way of asserting power with it.
>>109455577China built a working EUV (not DUV) prototype in 2025 and is planning to go in production in 2028.Almost everything in your post is false.
>>109465625>human achievementwhite* achievement
>>109458378>over-engineeredthis word doesn't mean what you think it does.
I was with a Dutch girl from May till July.Before me, she was polyamorous and had multiple relationships at once, with multiple dudes she fucked and they knew about each other. I told her, i am not a cuckold like those pathetic "men", and told her off for how bad this is. I expected her to leave on the spot, but instead this turned her. She was a turbo slut and needed it daily, multiple times if possible, and she was actually loyal while with me.She had a humiliation fetish, liked to be told off and wanted to be slapped and beaten while getting fucked. Once she wanted to go to a pride event and i dumped redpills on her about how that degeneracy is a jewish psyop. And she loved that.But of course she would never learn anything. She has her globohomo-brainwashed mind set and whenever you questioned that, i turns into fetish play for her. And she actually does hold all those retarded globohomo takes, because she does those idiotic phrases like "we all were immigrants once :)" with people she has no sexual interest in.Eventually my brain was smarter than my cock and i got away from that whore.And experiences with other Dutschies weren't much different. They are all pathetic push-overs, it's unreal.I wonder how they ended up like this, maybe there is some historical reason, like when Napoleon dissolved their country in an evening stroll.btw. right now in this moment, they have a two weeks long LGBTQ+ festival in Amsterdam with daily events. Not even a month before that, they had massive pride events for pride month.
>>109465294it wasn't for around a decade which is something you conveniently forgot...
>>109464593What's a billion or even ten gonna do for a country like China? A drop in the ocean. And those are probably some USAID globohomo programs anyway.
>>109465940>i (lowercase) am not a cuckold like those pathetic "men">I was with a non-virginSo you are a tasteless animal, is that what you are saying?Anyway servers you right, it is literally in the name: "Hoelland"
>>109466002>servers you rightWhat do you mean? I got my cock wet and didn't join her polycircle cuckoldry garbage, despite her confessing her love (only empty words for such a person). And i GTFO before anything worse could happen.It's a win to me.Everybody knows about Amsterdams red light districts. But nobody tells you that it's a nation on a collective humiliation fetish, both male and female.The point of my post was less about the slut being a slut, then about that cultural mindset. The next time you communicate with a dutchy, consider that this person loves to be humiliated. It explains so much.
>>109448609I wish my room was this clean
>>109456920>Sure anon, such as?nigga all of fucking Eindhoven
>>109465956Anon, its literally half a billion China gets...
>>109466135>Dutch girl gets guilted into dating a brown cause "wascism">She is so repulsed by him she loses all desire to have sex with him>Makes up that she never liked sex in the first place to be nice.>"NOOOO, SHE'S A WHORE!!! THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH ME!!!! I'M SO HOT!!!!"I didn't realize thridies were so weak that 1 white women refusing to have sex with them changes their whole worldview. You're as weak minded as the women you date.
>>109467424Alarm bells should have gone off the moment he said he dated a whore, generally self-respecting men don't do that and he would have been quickly socially isolated in the conservative circles where I live.
>>109460252there are ~100 millions humanoids produced each year, let it be ~2 trillion in 20 years..so there's 2 trillions of fully-capable walking NGIs (not counting AI-guddite drones here) and you want to say that 1 AGI will solve anything? you must be retarded. increasing intelligence of currently available NGIs by 1% could have a disruptive effect. thats why propaganda stays in priority, even AI-guddites cannot do anything without propaganda.
>>109460252>humans need 20 yearsYou don't need to wait those 20 years though. There are 5 billion available right now.
>>109450538>since Euros continue to cuck to Uncle SamRemind me again, how did the Euros retaliate when Trump blessed them with 15% tariff?
>>109448689*dutchman's superiority
>>109465876Why is it wiggers like you get so proud of your race when the vast majority of you are unwashed retarded goyim slaves and the best of you died with Greece along time ago. The jews won, stop being bitter about it. If your race was truly anything to be proud of, you would not need to spam all day on this Mongolian basket weaving forum, powerful men do not scream "I'm powerful".
