Do you think another trillion in AI is justified? Is the danger from Chinese AI so big?
>>109452276Well they know what they are doing, the trump admin isn't stupid.
it's not enough
>>109452276Will it turn out better than the CHIPS Act?
>>109452276The question we should be asking is what happens if China makes some breakthrough instead of us? If China develops some hegemonic AI tech that they control (AGI, for instance) the US bubble will explode and we'll need to bail them all out. It's unlikely but with novel tech it's kind of a crapshoot as far as who has the right idea first. Look at Nikola Tesla vs Marconi with wireless communication. Now imagine if the US government sank 2 trillion dollars into Tesla's wireless communication method involving balloons or whatever it was without knowing what Marconi was working on in Italy.
>>109452401just 2 more weeks and the sigmoids will AGI!!
>>109452276>Do you think another trillion in AI is justifiedAbsolutely. In fact its the minimum. I'd argue for more.
>>109452470I said it's not likely bro. But if they have some eureka moment you have to agree it would fuck the US economy
>>109452561Its about as likely as pigs flying. Nothing at all indicates that chyna can do anything but distill what murrica already created.
>>109452581I thought their latest models came out too quickly after the most recent burger models to be distillations of them.
>>109452470Cope Luddite You are not required anymore
>>109452581Anthropic don't seem to agree with you
>>109452754even if this X memeshot is true, sonnet 4.6 is a far cry from fable 5its not SOTA
>>109452293lol
danger comes from these ack-tropican pests who spend money on a stupid hype and democrat candidates
>>109452641Arrest libtard.the boss fired you because he hates you.
>>109452276they are getting raped by based china, ofc they are shitting themselves over losing power
if china can still claude and get near claude performance, why cant they distill humans and get free AGI
An absolute zero of these dumbasses can understand 5d so good luck
Chink can't innovate only steal. All their AI progress are build upon the distillation of western models
>>109452276I think Trump was convinced that the answer to both of those was: Yes
>>109452276China has us by the balls, and Trump's little gang would do anything to not suffer humiliation from China themselves over some hallucination machine outperforming ours and gaining the upper hand. I kinda want China to make the breakthrough personally to see how full panic mode the AI bubble here will go into and the monopoly exploding.
>>109452276if government is invested 1Trillion, Government will expect a major ruling stake, like access to all chats, backward analysis of all users, user IQ extraction etc.basically a voting stake
>>109456376but is the trillion going to model controllers like OpenAI and Anthropic or to compute providers? why give so much to OpenAI and Anthropic (a foreign company) only for them to pay google, oracle and others? if the datacenters are needed and they are what costs the vast majority of that Trillion Dollars, why not invest the governments borrowed money in the compute processors? if opensource models are nypothetically going to beat openai or at least compete hard, why not control compute and encourage US companies to create opensource models and/or use opensource models? make US competitors for openai and anthropic because the US compute is going to be used?
>>109456627>encourage US companies to create opensource models and/or use opensource models?cause thats a total waste of moneyyou want to bet on the WINNING horse, not burn your money
>>109456627theres the chosen onesbut some of them are just more chosen than others
>>109452641You neither.
>>109452769opus 4.6 is about on par with fable 5, opus 5 and sonnet 5 are both better than fable 5.
>>109456376University of toronto absolutely did not develop deep learning, and deep learning was absolutely not developed in 2006.
>>109452754Anthropic is such a scam company, its unreal
>>109456627There are a number of reasons. Number 1 is that the publicly stated purpose of that trillion is not its main goal. They're looking at AI as the future of military and national security capability first and foremost, so it's something they're willing to burn nearly any amount of money on to win. Obviously, with this being the bulk of their research, they aren't going to open source anything. Second, and related to that, they want the IP to stay with US companies to prevent foreign governments and companies from copying/pasting/reverse engineering, etc. Partially so that they can recoup some investment from the consumer applications. Third, investing in compute vs capability means turning us into the AI version of what China is for tech hardware. Basically just factory slaves for the real innovators. No one wants that. Fourth, the politicians are getting kickbacks in some form or another so they'll play crony capitalism and not allow even closed source competition to enter the market without a fight
>>109452276>Do you think another trillion in AI is justified?sureretarded investors should get punished
>>109452276It's to fund total surveillance you dork
>>109456955>uno reverso>the plebs took back control of their institutions>now the survelianceshit is used to destroy criminality and corruptionim not too worried
>>109456962Topkek, it's to hold you down so you don't ragequit society but keep on slaving and get sucked dry untill the day you die.
>>109452388>that source Lol
>>109456627He literally just told you that, they want a controlling stake
>>109456975were in tech, we can rise above this shitall it takes is an idea, and perseverenceand things are rife for systemic reform in europethese reforms can spread to the rest of liberal democracies
>>109457027If you can, why aren't you?
>>109452276Let’s just call these “investments” what they are. Preemptive bailouts.It doesn’t matter what China does. Not a single AI company survives the year without your tax dollars and that will never change. Costs continue to increase while AGI fails to materialize, contrary to what clankers promised.
