I fell down a rabbit hole of Resident Evil games videos recently. >inb4 games reee go to /v/Bear with me. Things like lore, cut content, etc and started seeing shit about how developers managed to take Resident Evil 2 from the Playstation 1, a 1.4GB game spanning 2 discs, and managed to shrink it down to fit on an N64 64MB cartridge. This included all bonus content, bonus content exclusive to the N64 version of the game, bonus modes, cheat codes, cutscenes, the entire sound track, and all 4 stories of the game (2 per character). This was all done without making the game look like complete garbage and without down sampling the audio until it sounded like shit. Without going into the details, the devlopers had to pull some wizardry level shit, including getting the blessing of Nintendo themselves to have access to their micro-code for the console to get the game to run and fit properly. I use all this as an example. When did developers (games, programs, etc) stop optimizing for their hardware? It's extremely rare these days to see programs that aren't bloated masses of shit. The average PC these days in most households has more processing power than ever but it seems we've heavily back slid when it comes to how programs are made. Is it laziness? Lack of understanding of new hardware? Closed environments where the hardware manufacturers refuse to work with the developers? Maybe even choice of what language is used? You would think with all the focus on energy efficiency, heat generation, and so on, people would WANT to make their programs run as efficiently as possible. What would need to be done in order to make proper code optimization mainstream? Where would you start? Pic unrelated
Unused ram is wasted ram. That's the latest cope.
>>109454328Force devs at gunpoint to build everything from scratch on a business class laptop with 16GB ram and an igpu or they don't eat.
>>109454341What a stupid mentality to have. It should be more akin to "man if I optimize correctly, I have a whole lot more RAM to add features with">>109454370Perfect plan. I'm just surprised there's no sort of optimization requirement to allow a program to go live.
>>109454328The push for unreasonable install sizes is to kill optical/ROM, the honeymoon period of trying to do more with less is over because the people who made those older games have been retired for years. Realistically you shouldn't expect any franchise to survive a five year gap between releases, unless it's the core title of a Japanese publisher.
>>109454820Thing is that even modern RE titles are well within normal range for what they offer graphically and otherwise. Meanwhile you have titles that consume 100's of GB to download. Every update is another 75GB+. Warzone is a perfect example of this. What could they possibly be adding to warrant such an inflated file size? It's insane. Again, this is just games but programs aren't too far behind in regards to bloat. It's not always file size, but how the program runs as well. Mobile applications are the biggest offenders. I just don't think it should be considered rocket science anymore to achieve SOME level of optimization, especially with the ease of access and capabilities of AI models like Claude or similar. Although I do agree that those absolute arcane masters who once upon a time coded works of art are long since gone. Either retired or dead, their energy returned back to the aether.
Maybe these price hikes are good for software development, the way it was going was stupid
>>109454328Because game studios are run by faggot MBAs now.
>>109454899I was actually thinking that exact thing when I saw 32GB kits of bottom of the barrel DDR5 going for $400+ lol. Got me thinking "man, if no on has upgraded machines, devs are going to have to actually code something useable on less machines so they can make sales". What a shit timeline.>>109454906the older I get, the more I've started to appreciate indie/AA studios. Very few AAA companies actually get my money and it's usually Fromsoftware or Capcom. I also buy software when I feel their work has earned it. I own>MakeMKV (one time $50)>an actual paid for copy of WinRAR (one time $29)>Davinci Resolve (one time $360)All programs that just fucking work and don't try to jew me with subscription models. FUCK adobe
>>109454867>What could they possibly be adding to warrant such an inflated file size?Because it's all about 'muh gorgeous visuals' nowadays, no matter how much unnecessary bloat they add. Also they are not constrained by hardware performance or memory and the normiecattle will pay for whatever slop the industry throws on them because "that's what everyone is doing", that's the new trend they must follow. Strong men create good times, good times create weak normiecattle, type shit
>>109455005>Because it's all about 'muh gorgeous visuals' nowadaysSure, I can totally see a newer easier to approach game engine being less optimized, that's expected. Thing is, if the base game already has all the maps, weapons, animations, skins, etc that make it 120GB+, what could an update contain to warranty 50GB+ at at time. Surely they can't be expanding on the base game by just adding weapon skins and fortnite dances. Idk, I'm for sure overthinking it, but shit, these updates get worse and worse.
>>109455041they are probably doing something monstrous like patching something that has to be updated in all the game assets to work properly or something like that, and you redownload everything
>>109454328>I fell down a rabbit hole of Resident Evil games videos recently.Link some of those videos anon. I need some shit to watch while I eat.
>>109454771>It should be more akin to "man if I optimize correctly, I have a whole lot more RAM to add features with"no, be cause ram is not the bottleneck for features.
>>109454370>16 GBThat's too much, get it down to 8 GB, no one should need more than that for gamingAlthough 16 GB maybe necessary for faster compilation times
it's not just games. This disease has infected much of modern software development
Big western corporations are managed by useless retards, keep replacing technically competent people with dumbasses, and don't give a shit about anything other than money. News at 11.
>>109454328>I use all this as an example. When did developers (games, programs, etc) stop optimizing for their hardware?when game engines started paired with [relatively] cheaper memory, they decided to just let you optimize the code through your hardware, than them having to put in any work.you complacency bred this.
>>109454328you had to optimize to make it run at all. now you don't have to, so people lack the skills and therefore don't do it. performance also gets deprioritized for more features, but it's easy to blame management, developers could set higher standards for themselves and it's mostly a habit that doesn't take additional time. to the contrary, making the machine do less work often yields simpler and more maintainable code resulting in faster turnaround
>>109454328You almost answered this yourself. The game was 1.4 GB on the PS1, and they crammed it down to 64 MB for the N64. They obviously didn't set out to make a 64 MB game, or else the PS1 version wouldn't have been so much larger, would it? They had to spend time and wizardry (together read: money) to optimize it the way they did. But they HAD to in order to access N64 sales, and they figured it was worth it.Consider a developer today. If they make a game that is 50 GB and sells, why do more? If it takes them six months to get it down to 20 GB without meaningfully compromising quality, how many consumers will that substantially benefit? Most gamers aren't feeling cramped by that 30 GB that could be saved. Alternatively, they could spend those six months on patches, expansions / DLC, or even just the next game the studio has in mind. All of which are likely to bring in more revenue than shaving 30 GB.
meagre resource situations breed creativity - look at ultimate and latterly rare on the spectrum, SNES, then N64. Absolutely mastery of the hardware making their games shine unlike any other could. Every design choice had to be intentional. Now there is no resource constraint - no need to be intentional in design, no need to innovate or excel to succeed.
>>109454328I have been switching more to suckless softwares recently and although I knew how bloated everything is nowadays i was still surprised… even on linux all the essentials from terminals, DEs and browser eat up resources like its nothing.The last few weeks felt like a breeze and made me realize I don’t even care about 90% of the animations and eyecandy thats slowing down my machinePic related. Can’t believe they’re talking about a fucking terminal lol
>>109462959next step is to debloat your iphone
>>109462959idk about kitty, but wezterm doesn't spawn new terminals as independent processes, and has a command menu, unicode picker, lua runtime, and a bunch of other actual features that are responsible for the memory usage.
>>109454328Trepang2, although unoptimized on the cpu, runs incredibly well on a 1050ti while being made by 4 guys. All of that while having graphics you'd need a 20XX minimum to handle if it came from a big studio.
>>109454341>latestNigga that's been a thing for a decade minimum
>>109454328It doesn't only affect games. I could run Firefox with 30 tabs open on a 4gb machine 16 years ago. I do the same today with 64GB and 70% of the ram will be used by the browser
>>109455089>>109455041Often they just change a few things but they use a specialized format and package the entire asset bundle. They don't compress it or anything, so you download the whole thing even though 90% is the same as you already have on-disk.
>>109463123Looks worse than fear, which ran fine on an igpu circa 2012 on a laptop.
