Are you undervolting your GPU to maximize lifespan in these trying times?
I do but because it makes it run better. Some games were unplayable but if I undervolt it they work fine
I was but then i uninstalled adreneline so i dont think those settings are applied anymore
>>109455776No.The CEO will buy me another gayming laptop.
Yes, I do but because the electric bill is too high and coil whine is gay, I have a backup in case what I have fails.
>>109455776I’ll probably just buy AMD for my next GPU, the Njudea prices are an outright ripoff now
I just buy chesp shit so it’s of no concern of mine.I bought a 5060 ti 16 gb before prices increased, and I’ve still got my backup 3060 12 gb. I’m planning to let them last for at least ten years.
i limit it to 550 watts instead of 600 for whatever thats worth.
>>109455776undervolting doesn't even matter for longevity. it's not like an incandescent filament where reducing by 10% increases lifespan by x10, it's thermalpaste and solder and capacitors, these things have a predictable lifespan that far outlive the obsolescence of the product. the majority of nvidia titans have probably yet to see mechanical failure.if you arent overclock raping your card the paste isn't going to dry out by the time production capacity and innovation render your card uselesslike, we know when a certain brand has a bad run because they cheaped out, and we know to avoid that line, but tinkertrooning a percent of a percent out of neuroticism is stupid. if you want to negligibly optimize for the most efficient power regulation for the sake of negligibly optimizing for the most efficient power regulation, then just say that
>>109455776nope, I just don't occupy my mind with things like that.
>>109455776I use a 5070 Ti to play Binding of Isaac so, no
>>109455776>4070I hate this shit with a passion. 12GB is such a cockblocker. 5060 niggas are laughing at me.t. has 4070
>>109456340>tinkertrooning a percent of a percent200W to 150W with a 6% FPS loss isn't negligible
>>109456457correct, it's not good youre loosing 6 million fps
>>109455776does it even matter for browsing 4chan? I barely game anymore.
>>109456476I mean you can save a bit of power if you power limit just a bit so it doesn't boost to max clock all the time just for scrolling or something, up to you.
>>109456476from what i guess it only matters when you're pushing the gpu near 100%
>>109455776How does undervolting work? I have a RTX 4070 Ti Super.
>>109456340Modern GPU capacitors are rated for like 10+ years. Heat and voltage are the number 1 degraders of components, solder itself will last like 7 years from extreme abuse but preventing your card from hitting extreme temperatures and then cooling will expand that lifespan. Every time you have seen a modern CPU/GPU in the news for extremely fast degradation it has been linked to extremely high voltages. You can 100% extend a components lifespan by setting sensible voltage settings, undervolting, and disabling automated performance boosting features. You can extend the lifespan by years and prevent sudden rare failures
>>109456497post her panties
>>109456497its not complex voltage tinkering, its just changing the power limit. to set a 150W limit on my 200W 4070 on arch linux i can just enter sudo nvidia-smi --power-limit=150
>>109455776I'm still rocking my overclocked 970 and it works fine
>>109456524But Watt isn't Volt. We are talking about undervolting.
>>109456524That's not undervolting.
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>>109455776Only way I could remove coil whine, alongside changing my PSU.
>>109456043>5060 ti 16 gbAll the more relevant, it's way overvolted at stock. You're generating extra heat and stressing it more for no good reason.
>>109456340>obsolescence will outlive hardware failures due to aging I get where you're coming from. I'm running a machine built in 2014 daily and I only swapped out the gpu once.I did pay a bit extra for the motherboard, a rog maximus vii ranger, when I built it. And used corsair for the power supply and ram.In hindsight, I should have upgraded two years ago but I never really had any problems with running anything.If you want to keep a machine for the long run use high specs from good manufacturers.
>>109456497It's a bit like overclocking, keep adjusting the voltage until you run into instabilities under stress tests, and then go back to the previous value
Would be really great if other GPUs got their bios hacked and allowed vram mods similar to Chinese 4090/5090
>>109455776I got a 4070Ti Super last year and undervolted it straight away. Never goes above 80c and I got a slight performance bump from my comparisons
I have a gigabyte gaming OC 9070xt and I set the undervolt to -80mv, dropped the wattage all the way down to 231, and bumped the memory clock up to 2700mhzis this good? should I tweak it further?
>>109456516>Modern GPU capacitors are rated for like 10+ years.well beyond the time your card is going to become obsolete. incidentally, this component sees the MOST benefit by undervolting compared to the rest. and it has a predictable lifespan!running your card stock will already prevent it from hitting extreme temperatures, they start throttling around 85C. solder on the other hand doesn't benefit nearly as much as it's about power cycling rather than absolute temp. and as you said>solder itself will last like 7 years from extreme abusewhich it is not going to be subject to under stock loads, barring bad environment like poor air circulation or high ambient temps.>You can extend the lifespan by yearswhich means little when your card is going to last until obsolescence anyways>and prevent sudden rare failuresthis is neurotic, and highly conditional.
>>109456797>80 °c thermal equilibriumwith or without sidepanels on?
>>109456516>>solder itself will last like 7 years from extreme abuse>>109456813its not the max temp thats the problem with solderits the number of thermal cycles that matters (=temps go up, then go down)
>>109456834Bro stop, your neuroticism won't change a thing, just accept things as they are.
>>109455776Its really just the memory that needs it. The actual GPU is pretty darn robust.
>>109456841wym?i do accept things as they are and thats why i optimize my gear for longevity instead of raging against the passivity of the consumer market
>>109456859>why i optimizeNo you're obsessing over things that don't matter.
>>109455905Don't fall for the BS marketing anon, saying as a AMD GPU user, it sucks, there are things Benchmarks and Gaytubers won't tell you.
>>109456862im a scroogeand i need this shit for workthese things do matter for me.in return- ive never had a failure that wasnt mechanical in naturenot even from heat stresses, the only two failures i had were when i dropped a cooler on a cpu, ages agoand more recently, 3 years ago now,i created a short because the usb ports on my mobo's solder broke from all the plugging and unplugging shitif you treat your hardware right, it returns the favor
>>109455776no because picking the parts and paying some retard to put it together is only 5k and 5000 a year isn't much
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>>109456862>>109456876>i created a short because the usb ports on my mobo's solder broke from all the plugging and unplugging shitand that mobo was around 10 years old at that point
my vram hits 90°C under full loadthat's fine right
>>109456545More volt means more watt
>>109457105Happens on the 9070 XT, but I won't buy another card because some RAM is supposed to run cooler. I have Hynix GDDR6. I would buy UDNA anyway if its affordable or RMA it in worst case. My 7900 XTX also had a fault, but it was fully refunded and I did get a really good deal to keep the performance with a cheaper and more efficient 9070.
>>109456870Such as? Nvidia wants such an ungodly amount of shekels I honestly struggle to come up with reasons why I shouldn’t just save a few thousand and go with AMD. The last Sapphire GPU I got was fine, and since EVGA isn’t around anymore I don’t even expect the same quality from Nvidia GPUs
>>109457145So it's fine running that hot?Why the fuck is hynix memory running that hot anyway?
>>109455776Yes, but i also overclock at the same time. My 5070 ti is undervolted, draws 20% less power and is ~10% overclocked at the same time. Funnily enough the undervolting keeps the temperatures lower, helps with the overclocking and keeps it from thermal throttling.
>>109456809Your “OC” 9070xt is going to perform around the level of a 9070 at only 230w but if you’re fine with leaving all of the extra performance you paid for on the table, seems fine. You should have just bought a 9070, though in that case if you wanted that GPU at that power level.
>>109457268it runs tighter timings than samsung gddr6 rated for the clocks
>>109457145My 9070xt uses micron memory and it’s the only one I’ve ever seen like that. Every other 9070xt I’ve seen uses Hynix or Samsung. I wonder how they compare.
>>109457418According to forum 15° less, but I wouldn't change my GPU even if that were true. The 9070 XT is better than nothing for a decent price compared to the lousy 5080.
>>109457377that is nonsenseI tested it in stellar blade and lost a whopping 3 frames per second compared to bumping the wattage up to 297 with the same vram overclock and undervolt
>>109455776Dont buy Overclocked Editon of Cards
I am not poor so I dont bother
>>109455776Of course. I intend to use my 5070ti for the next decade.
>>109455776Yes
>>109455776no, i use amd
>>109455776Are you longing for old GPUs?
>>109455776Undervolt + OverclockIf it dies it dies
>>109458129Does that ever work? 3Dmark accepts crazy undervolts but they never run in games.
>>109455776not needed, just repair it when it breaks
>>109457477>anon realizes that two of the same GPU behaves identicallyWe have no idea what your settings are in your isolated example. Do you really think that lowering a 330w card to 230w, a nice 69% power level, is only going to reduce performance by a few frames in most games? The 9070 is literally a 9070xt at 220w, anon.
>>109458220undervolting and overclocking the memory makes up the differencestop speaking in retarded hypotheticals to someone who actually did a real performance testyou have no idea what you're talking about
>>109455776nah, never had gpu die on me and i've been aggressively pushing their limits since that was a thing.
one time, there was a guy who tried to tell me he only lost "a few" tokens per second power limiting his card by 50%.
>>109458209Yeah it's perfectly stable in games, but the net result is about a 5-7% performance increase. It ain't zero, but it's nothing like the performance you could squeeze out of GPUs back in the day.
>>109458220In my experience dropping wattage by 25% (via undervolting not facebook mom power limiting) increases performance by at least 10%. If you lose performance with your undervolt you are severely messing up
>>109455776no
>>109456809if I undervolt my 9070XT by just -25 it becomes unstable lmfao
>>109458398I won the chip lottery with my 9060 XT, but it's the most basic ASUS Dual version lmao, the memory runs up to 95 degrees.
>>109455776I’m undervolting so that it’s dead silent, dgaf about muh lifespan get a job you worthless neet
>>109455776I'm still using my 1060 6gb. If a game doesn't run on it, I just don't play that game. It's not like there's a shortage of games... So far the only one I'd be missing out on is Doom TDA. And I have a steam deck that plays that.
>>109455776Do GPUs ever actually wear out before becoming obsolete? My GPU from 2009 still works.
I repasted rx 580 in my old clunker of a desktop backup and temps went from 80 and noisy to 70 and quietAdmittedly nobody would play games on an rx 580 nowadays but to say that you will never repaste before tossing the gpu is silly, my 4080 is like 3.5 years old and is barely any worse than 5080 which is still a current and high end high end gpu, ill probably repaste it in a year or two and keep it until 2030
>>109458220>Do you really think that lowering a 330w card to 230w, a nice 69% power level, is only going to reduce performance by a few frames in most games?YesI tested it thoroughly and undervolting + memory oc on a 4070 made power draw go from 200W to 140W and fps from 100% to 97%, ie practically nothingnvidia not supporting memory oc on linux is my current biggest annoyance with it
>>109458869580 can run a lot of old games decently
>>109459000I think 580 is weaker than modern incel igpusyoure probably losing money on electricity by running old shit like that vs buying some modern budget alternative (or just, you know, upgrading to a modern non meme gpu)
>>109459055polaris memory bandwidth is twice as the bandwidth of ddr5 8000
>>109459055Its about the same but for people who rarely play it can be sufficient. When you have no GPU it gets real torture. I spend end of 24 with a 750 Ti.
>>109458825>My GPU from 2009Do you recall the model number?
>>109455776>GPU longevitygrandpa you're not going to make your defective gf8500 last it's defective from the factory and will die no matter how many times you bake it in the ovenunderfill is a non-issue on anything since 2012, that is a waste of time
>>109459310I don't know the exact model number but its a Radeon HD 5700 series.
>>109456516bollocks I have 40 year old computers that are fine
>>109459493please stop hurting the economy https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/23/how-device-hoarding-by-americans-is-costing-economy.htmlhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/americans-keeping-devices-longer-slows-productivity-and-costs-the-economy-report-says/ar-AA1R751V
>>109455776I'm using a GTX 1070, been using it for 10 years. Still plays modern games just fine if i optimize them.
>>109459491>Radeon HD 5700 seriesAccording to Wikipedia, the GPU is 40 nm.>Do GPUs ever actually wear out before becoming obsolete?Supposedly, if I recall right, CPUs 32 nm or larger are immune to electromigration. So I wonder if it works the same way with GPUs. For reference, I've been running a GT 730 (non-OC, 28 nm GPU) since, likely, July 2016. And while I thought it might've started dying (using the scroll wheel while web browsing began to lag) in, maybe, 2024, it might've been faulty browser code and/or my monitor beginning to die.
>>109455776No, I've been PC gaming for nearly 30 years and I've never had a GPU shit the bed before I replaced it
>>109458825yes
I undervolt my 9070 XT slightly but some games tend to crash with even a light UV so it depends. One solution I have found is to just not play gamesI have a 6700 XT with idle coil whine technology™ in case it fails
>>109458869>Admittedly nobody would play games on an rx 580The things Valve have been collaborating on with the mesa driver breathed life to old AMD GPUs like the 290x, the rx580 still has a long way to go.
>>109459841>optimize themHow? Just settings in game?
>>109456340>Spending 5 minutes inputting undervolt settings in AMD Adrenalin is tinker trooning
>>109461573forgotting the hours if not day of testing after
>>109456464undervolting is a form of "overclocking".it's kind of a oxymoron and it's understandable that you are confused, and it's not that easy to actually understand.In short, you get to choose the voltage that certain clock ranges operate on. Set a lower voltage, it uses less wattage but at the same performance.The problem is that silicon is like a lootbox, some silicon chips can run at a lower voltage than others, even though it's the exact same chip. The better chips usually go into laptops/handhelds/datacenter because 10% or lower power usage is a massive deal, but what happens if ALL the chips run well at a lower voltage? Than means the desktop gamer chips get the same quality but it's locked to the a higher voltage because all GPU's should operate with the same parameters of the lowest grade silicon that passes.So if you are lucky, you can try to lower the voltage and you might not find any issues.I have a 1660 TI and I'm not lucky with an aggressive undervolt, it will just crash blender with a CUDA error (it probably would work, I just haven't messed around with lowering my clock which actually affects performance, that's probably why anon lost 6% of his fps, since he likely sacrificed a tiny bit of clock, but some people see massive FPS gains from undervolting due to the GPU being constantly thermal throttled AKA 80~ degrees but it depends on the GPU, hwinfo sensors usually has a flag when it's thermal throttled).Note that if you undervolt, it will "seem" like the GPU works fine, maybe even "run" games, but you need to stress test it.
>>109463023good job typing all that or prompting it, but that was in response to a power limit...>200W to 150W with a 6% FPS loss isn't negligible
>>109459491>>109460077>CPUs 32 nm or larger are immune to electromigrationI might've made a mistake. It might be 28 nm.
>>109463036I don't know anything about the powerlimit, but on my 1660 TI GPU it's completely ignored, msi afterburner lets me set it to 58% and I can clearly see inside of my overlay that it's ignored.
>>109463056>I don't know anythingFigures...
