Windows = Good
Linux = Bad

How do I add a "go up a folder" button to Dolphin? I get that alt+up works, but I like having a button

>>109464307
Another case of me figuring it out as soon as I ask. Gotta use the toolbar config instead of the Dolphin config.

>>109464307
>>109464338
want a startup animation for plasma 6?
>https://files.catbox.moe/f2j0p4.zip

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>>109464520
its your loss

>>109464458
my pc is so fast that i won't see it. my pc is also so stable that i never reboot because it runs 24/7. there is no point in a startup animation for me.

>>109464546
see >>109464530

i really dont want to switch away from arch bros

>>109464557
just switch to nixos already

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Chat, is that true?

>>109464557
Then don't?

>>109464307
It should be there by default...
If it isn't, right-click the toolbar, select "Configure Toolbar", and look for "Up" in the "Available Actions" column. Drag "Up" to the "Current Actions" column and apply.

>>109464558
I kinda hated Nix when I tried it. Gentoo is life.

>>109464791
>I kinda hated Nix
filtered

>>109464998
It's legitimately shit if you don't want to learn a custom domain specific language or want to use something other than Glibc+Systemd.

Gentoo is actually still quite a bit more flexible than Nix owing to its simplicity and sure, you can call that filtered but some people want to build their system rather than develop Nix.

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>>109465078
>some people want to build their system
in an unpronounceable way? miss me with that casual busywork.

>>109465093
Reproducibility is a meme when you control the build infrastructure. Nix is solving a problem nobody has and doing it in the most convoluted way possible.

>>109464998
Using Gentoo like a retard here, tried NixOS in a VM and admittably got totally filtered by it.
>>109465093
For what do I need reproducibility for?
>>109465113
What's all this "controlling the build infrastructure"? The fact I got the compiler and stuff locally?

>>109465113
what about the changes and tweaks you make to the system? do you just not care about those?
>>109465281
i just like having the system setup just the way i like it. always in the same way and across devices. what is the point in tweaking your system just how you like it just to redo it on a notebook or a new computer? just do it once bozo.

>>109465310
>across devices
Isn't the system different across devices assumed you tweaked the build for their specific CPUs and other hardware features?

>>109455523
me still.
hate youtuber scum and their like + subscribe personalities, but i have decided on fedora. any opinions on workstation vs kde plasma? i dont really make anything so i should go with kde probably, yeah? unless im missing something.
is there any way i can install directly to the drive or will i need to use a USB flash drive as a middle-man? and one final thing: any recommended vpn? thanks.

>>109465316
you can separate the "hardware" from the software changes. so you got one for the notebook and computer but the rest of the system that is independent stays the same.

>>109465310
>what about the changes and tweaks you make to the system? do you just not care about those?
I don't tweak them. I use default settings like any normal reasonable human being and only modify something if I need to. But this will likely be different on every machine as >>109465316 said.

It takes 5 seconds to open a text file in /etc and edit it as and when I need to.

>>109465320
Workstation is just a name, it's Fedora with GNOME as a desktop. KDE Plasma edition is Fedora+KDE. Same OS. You could even install Fedora without any desktop and add one yourself you're just choosing what comes prepackaged with the install when you're choosing an iso. You probably just want the KDE edition.

i wanna built an old pc to run old windows (95 to xp) but i also may run linux on it. i didn't run linux at that time (had an old compaq desktop that had an p4 in it) so i don't know how different platforms and gpus work on old and new linux distros. question is should i run an intel p4 or athlon xp and what gpu should i pick? why do i want to build something like that? because i want to run old and somewhat modern stuff on an old computer instead of running shit in virtual machines.

>>109465834
athlog xp was always better than bentium 4, as for gpu it depends. you'd probably want an ati radeon for linux support unless you plan to use an old distro for the novideo drivers. might miss out on acellerated physx but those games are probably later than you're aiming for anyway

>>109465864
that was the thing i got hung up on. ati vs nvidia. nvidia works well on 95, 98, 2000 and xp and old linux distros but would have to be used with the nouveau driver on modern linux (i guess it would be fine) while the ati gpu would be fine for 98 and up (i don't really care about 95 all that much since i don't see it as anything special since i never used it when it was new) + work well on modern linux distros but i wouldn't have a good time on old distros. i guess i can buy both and swap as i want.

>>109465926
trying both wouldn't hurt. nouveau on old cards is probably fine come to think of it. i moved to an amd card in 2012, prior to that i mostly used nvidia with the proprietary driver. nouveau has gotten better since then. i first used linux with an ati card, but that was back in the proprietary fglrx driver days

>>109464612
Frank? Yeah he's right

>>109465926
>>109465960
also, you probably won't want to play games in linux on old hardware anyway, unless you want to try old native linux games or opengl games. Directx games will use wined3d (no dxvk), which has also improved over time, don't expect games to run as well as in windows like they do on modern hardware

>>109465960
>>109465974
modern linux would just be an experience/ challenge in picking the right distro (gentoo ofc) and tweaking it to not be completely useless so i can post in this thread from it.

>>109465987
i too enjoy setting up linux on limited devices, gentoo on an athlon xp/p4 would be fun. try out some much lighter software you normally wouldn't think necessary.
browsers can be tricky, since many of them demand AVX nowadays. i use a third party build of palemoon on my core2duo laptop since the official build requires avx. sse2 is the minimum it can run on now (which the p4 supports but the athlon xp does /not/, you'd need an athlon64 for that)
cpu instruction support can limit what you can run the older you go, even on gentoo some software just wasn't written to support cpus without specific instruction support

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Yet another fun day in trying to get a very light modlist to work in Skyrim. It was working fine the other week when I tried it, but I've had to uninstall everything and start again because of reasons.

>>109464307
It's in the menu > configure > configure toolbars
You can fully customize how the toolbar buttons are laid out and which buttons are displayed. You're looking for the "^ Up" item, move it in.

>>109465320
Workstation = GNOME Edition
KDE Plasma = KDE Plasma Edition
Both are fine but the default GNOME user experience is closer to that of a smartphone than a PC. So you'll have to rely on GNOME extensions like dash to panel.
>is there any way i can install directly to the drive or will i need to use a USB flash drive as a middle-man?
You will need a middle-man, but it doesn't have to be a USB drive. It can be an Android phone which supports USB-Mountr, or an internal disk partition.
I believe there's a project which allows you to install a Linux distro from within Windows, but it's still in early development.

>>109466048
>the default GNOME user experience is closer to that of a smartphone than a PC
It's funny how easily the lack of an always-visible dock or taskbar breaks /g/

>>109466101
it has the same layout as my ios (they changed it a bit recently) phone from work. what are you talking about?

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Is Terra a complete replacement for RPMFusion or do I need to enable both and somehow manage conflicts between them?

>>109466101
The dock exists to keep track of my open apps so that I don't have to waste brain power doing that. It's one of the most important features in a desktop.
GNOME's panel is effectively a useless waste of space without docking capabilities. Why even include it then?

>>109466038
That's mod conflict not GNU/Linux issue. you'd have the same issue on Windows

>>109466234
They can't turn it into a dock because the Mac rip-off would become too obvious. They committed too hard to their original workflow and can't go back now without losing face.

Can someone blackpill me on cachyOS as a daily driver desktop OS.
Every distro has some catch like Debian, yeah it's stable, reliable and sufficiently mature to find solutions to your problems online easy enough. But to call it "up to date" is insane.

I don't game.

>>109466249
It looks like this vanilla. I suspect it's an SKSE issue, but I *really* don't want to uninstall that since I don't want to mess up other mods that depend on it.

>>109466534
It's just Arch but easier and more convenient for casuals and newfags (me).

>>109466606
are you as a newfag going to keep using arch after the malware incidents?

For clarification I'm >>109466534

>>109466673
I mean yeah, that stuff is my main concern as a noob at the moment with Arch/Cachy. I don't think I'll need a lot of AUR packages though.

>>109466534
Its the new easy to set up Arch even though Arch has archinstall
Arch is not hard to install the traditional way (i.e. manually partitioning, pacstrap) if you follow the wiki and some youtube video
Will everything work out of the box? No. CachyOS does install Nvidia drivers OOTB. But learning how to do so on vanilla Arch is good.
Missing a font? Tofu? Just install the font. Thumbnails not showing up in your files? Install some weird package that should've been installed from the start. Up to you anon, its your computer. You have a choice even though anons just tell you to install Gentoo.

>>109466724
I just want to switch over to Linux from Windows without having to get a CS degree first
I did play around installing Arch both through archinstall and pacstrap for a few months last year, and learned a lot about what actually makes up a linux install and how the pieces fit together.

However, for a daily I just don't trust myself, I would like a bit more of turnkey experience, so Cachy it is for now. But I can't ignore the huge amount of AI bug fixes and AUR malware attacks these last few months.

>>109465320
me. i got kde plasma up and running, got necessary nvidia drivers and video codecs so i can watch anime in the morning before work. peace

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I've been running more tests on my Surface Book 2. My findings so far:
>KDE Plasma (Wayland): While drawing on Krita, the system constantly overheats and eventually throttles the CPU hard, regardless of whether it's in balanced or performance mode. Worse if music or video is playing in the background. MyPaint is laggy and slow.
>GNOME: System gets warm but doesn't overheat as badly like in KDE. However, for some reason Krita is unbearably choppy and laggy. MyPaint runs flawlessly. Go figure.
>XFCE & LXQT (Xlibre): Everything runs flawlessly. My machine runs cool. Screen response feels snappier. Drawing on it feels like a dream. Nostalgic memories of drawing on my beloved now-dead Samsung Galaxy Tab A with S Pen. I am nearly moved to tears.
>Detaching the keyboard immediately causes the system to freeze and screen rotation doesn't work at all.
>welp.jpg
>KDE Plasma (Xlibre): All the problems of XFCE & LXQT, so apparently the issue of detaching the keyboard is X's fault, most likely because of the keyboard's dGPU. And it still gets as hot as the sun just by drawing in Krita.
>XFCE (Wayland): Doesn't work. At all. Immediately freezes the machine and requires a hard reset.
>BONUS ROUND! Plasma Mobile: Exactly the same as regular Plasma, but looks worse and is more annoying to use.
It seems that no matter what I do, I just can't win with this thing. Every option at my disposal has some sort of unacceptable tradeoff. KDE Plasma tries to turn my CPU into Plasma, GNOME is GNOME and also is GNOMING KDE for gno apparent reason, and anything on Xlibre makes it so most of my device's features are unusable. I could possibly fix the rotation thing but there's no point when the only way to detach or reattach the keyboard is to log out and then log back in after I'm done. I'm getting pretty fed up with the whole deal.

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I was looking around for a nice kde using distro and stumbled across “tuxedoOS.”
It is Ubuntu and kde.
Is this basically kubuntu but actually works properly?

My usages are content creation stuff like Krita and blender and a bit of gaming related stuff.
Do kde and Ubuntu play nice with each other or is tuxedoOS an exception as I haven’t seen many Ubuntu/kde distros besides kubuntu?

Most drawing tablets support Ubuntu so I am hesitant to try bazzite or nobara (not sure which is better) as I am unsure how good the opentablet program is.

>>109467320
Unless you own a Tuxedo-brand machine from them I wouldn't start using a vendor maintained distro.

does debian now include non-free firmware?

>>109467519
The base ISO includes non-free stuff now, yeah.

>>109467519
they do it happened last version i think

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>>109466994
Okay, now Krita's working fine in GNOME after switching back and forth a few times. For some reason. But now I get insane seconds-long freezes when I zoom/move the canvas... in GNOME *and* in Plasma. Okay???

Now it seems I may end up being forced to switch to GNOME (truly a fate worse than death). I had a really nice theme set up in Plasma, too :(

>>109466534
It's Arch. It has bad QA so it often breaks after updating. https://www.reddit.com/search/?q=cachyos+broke

>>109467320
>Do kde and Ubuntu play nice with each other
No.
>is tuxedoOS an exception
No.

>>109467797
its probably wayland bs causing this

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I fucking hate Secure Boot.
Why in the fuck did they even make it in the first place.
Fuck you Gigabyte for your snowflake application of it as well.
All i want to do is have a partitioned off minimum win install to play BF6 and have all my real shit in Linux.
>>109466534
You have to make sure you do not get MediaTek wifi/bluetooth chips. Or else shit does not work right.
Like others have said, because of it being Arch based, it may fuck up some shit every once in a while.

>>109466994
It's a very gimmicky piece of hardware and Linux doesn't have a good enough support for dynamically detaching and re-attaching GPUs that are in use by your host OS.

>>109467881
>Why in the fuck did they even make it in the first place.
The end goal is bootloader lockdown and hardware attestation to protect the children

>>109467881
Just turn it off, configure your setup, and then turn it back on?

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>>109467841
Possibly. Although the zoom lag was because graphics acceleration was turned off, though I swear I re-checked the box after testing the setting earlier.
>>109467904
Yeah, I figured. The wiki said that you can't detach while the dGPU is in use, although in X even plugging it in borks the system. Plasma never gave me issues with it though, the only annoying thing about it was that it never actually wanted to use the dGPU most of the time. GNOME goes all screwy if you log in while the keyboard is detached, though. Autorotate doesn't work until you reattach the keyboard and then take it back off again, and then if you try logging out it crashes the computer, regardless of whether it's attached or not. GNOME has actually been oddly buggy in general since I started using it, while Plasma had almost none at all.

>>109463851
I don't want to start a shitfest with this question but why is the topic of a desktop environment so controversial? I used GNOME all my life (started with Ubuntu, never saw a reason to switch) but any time I bring it up it always starts a war over KDE, Mate, GNOME, what dev called who what name in what thread, and some shit like this.

>>109468140
I signed my keys with sbctl and for some reason it seems to not have actually signed the bootloader and kernel correctly. Fuck knows why it seems to have this issue on gigabyte boards.
I did try turning it off and on in the bios. But i may have to nuke the entire key database. I did find a support thread on how to fix it.
Fuck Gigabyte.
>>109468282
It is just fanboy wars. It really means nothing. Use what you like. All of them have good points and bad points. The few autistics who do take it seriously are just arguing over the best way to hammer a nail. Most of it is just none authentic shitposting to stir the pot.

>>109468282
You use GNOME???????? Wtf????? You're supposed to use the DE *I* like!!!!!!!

>>109468282
It's only controversial to new linux users who probably migrated from Windows because some streamer told them to do so.

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>You use GNOME???????? Wtf?????

I have an old laptop I have hooked up to a TV that I'd like to use as a web and media server. Setting up the webserver doesn't seem too hard but I've never done media stuff before. It's running MX Linux right now.
Is there a rundown on how to set that up? Ideally being able to play media from my desktop to the laptop remotely, since I'd like to use it as a music system.

>>109468487
just ask chatgpt

>>109468487
For music it depends on how autistic you are willing to be with metadata.
Ez mode is standing up something like a webdav server, mounting it on the laptop and streaming from there.
I use a Nextcloud instance which exposes a Subsonic compatible endpoint for music, and a vibecoded connector plugin for Rhythmbox on client devices. But that requires being autistic about metadata.

>>109468487
You have a lot of options.

MiniDLNA
Plex or Jellyfin (but they're more focused for video but can do music too)
Mpd (can work really well but you have to know what you're doing: https://www.musicpd.org/)

If you want the ability to be able to "Cast" media from your laptop or phone then that's more difficult though because apps aren't really set up for that. It's something you'd think would be simple like smartphones can do to an Apple TV or Chromecast, etc, but there's no real FOSS solution to it.

>>109467881
Checkout what they write here about Gigabyte: https://wiki.cachyos.org/configuration/secure_boot_setup/
The problem is that the hardware vendors only care if SecureBoot works with Windows, so it can get finicky between different hardware vendors and even models.

SecureBoot is pretty neat to protect your kernel from being tampered with. I like what it does, but yeah, it's absolutely finicky

>>109468003
Nothing wrong with locking down a boot loader for personal security. But yeah, we need to resist the idea that we have to allow them to run their code on our machines to get access to the basic internet. The future is definitely a bit grim. But being a toddler about and refusing to understand what you're fighting against wil only help them.

>>109467881
Secureboot just werks on proper distros.

>>109467881
secure boot filters out all the bad distros and lets me used tpm 2 for auto unlock.

>>109468282
Have you never interacted with the Linux community before? Basically anything that has more than one option will result in a shitfest if you bring it up in a way that someone might take as cause for an argument.

Any way to remotely connect to a Wayland from Windows, unattended access?

>>109469781
sunshine and moonlight

>>109469781
RDP

>>109468474
My favorite thing about KDE Plasma ~6.7~ is that I can make it act 100% like Gnome. I call it K'gnome ( pronounced like knight )

>>109467881
Secureboot is literally a Microsoft plot to push other OS's out of the market, just be glad the original proposition for Secureboot didn't pass or you wouldn't be running Linux at all

>>109471100
you can setup your own keys?

>>109471118
For now

>>109471512
remind me when they change that

>>109471522
All they have to do at this point is pass age verification and start regulating component vendors. Can't have chillens building their own PC to browse porn.

>>109471719
>>109471522

>>109471719
It doesn't matter for Linux because vendor-locked ARM hardware will kill it first

>>109463884
is that shrimple

is it true that dev work is easier on linux compared to windows? i'm considering asking IT to give me access to WSL

>>109472534
If you don't have any idea it won't be easier to you.

>>109472534
It depends on how Linux-normative the toolchain is. Generally by the time you've bothered with WSL it's about the same level of pain in the ass. That's kind of why WSL has only accelerated Linux uptake. People look at it and imagine how much more convenient it would be if they didn't have the Windows layer.

>>109472534
yes, significantly so

>>109472534
dev work is best from and for the target device and operating system

>>109466785
bruh I have no idea what pacstrapping even is and I still installed Arch
https://youtu.be/oeDbo-HRaZo
This dude has great videos. No CS degree needed.

>>109470741
>I call it K'gnome ( pronounced like knight )
>doesn't know about KNOME
https://knome.carlschwan.eu/

how much more resources do flatpaks take when running compared to native packages?

>>109473598
Essentially the same. There is some extra overhead from the DBus Portals but this is negligible.
If you're thinking of overhead in terms of compute or graphics, etc, they're essentially identical. There may be some increase in memory usage due to not sharing as much shared libraries though, but that's the trade-off for a portable application.

>>109473598
i don't notice it. what i do notice is having to compile and download a bunch of shit that i don't need to run an application that isn't easily available.

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Best distro for a MacBook Pro?

>>109473970
give it back mohammed

Why would I want to use CachyOS when I could use Nyarch Linux?

Is there a single Linux distribution that can compete with OpenBSD for an x86 mini PC firewall/router OS?

>>109475510
Look into Alpine, VyOS or OpenWrt-x86
These get into OpenBSD's orbit pretty well

>>109473970
Literally any will run on the old Intel Macs, take your pick.

>>109473598
An extra 10MB of memory. CPU and GPU performance is identical to non-Flatpak.

>>109465352
>I don't tweak them
I thought Nix was a source-based system where you compile all your crap.

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>>109475510
I've done Wi-Fi routers using Arch, Gentoo, Debian and Ubuntu and they all work great. The system as a whole is so stupidly simple there's nothing that can go wrong, picture relates. That said why would you want to go for something as *exotic* as BSD?
>>109465834
Unironically Gentoo. But do all the compiling using your better PC.

When is KDE Ark going to add a progress bar for extracting .7z archive?

>>109475812
>An extra 10MB of memory
That may be true today. But if we keep standardising Flatpaks, then we will recreate the exact issues that are causing so many people to leave Windows.

>>109476097
>the exact issues that are causing so many people to leave Windows.
Those have nothing to do with performance and everything to do with the way the OS treats you and behaves.

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>everything to do with the way the OS treats you and behaves
i want to lick her feet

>>109464338
I get that with everything and been on Linux since 2002

I'm ngmi

>>109476091
I want the highest standards of security reviewed code, and the absence of all binary blobs in the kernel.

>>109476161
how much does a mac mini cost in your region?

>>109476161
>the absence of all binary blobs in the kernel
There are no binary blobs in the kernel, they are stored at /lib/firmware. And nobody is forcing you to have any blobs installed, it's a matter of your hardware.
(which makes me wonder what ever was the point of the Linux-Libre project)

>>109466994
Don't detach the keyboard?

It looks like the only way you can reach surface nirvana

>>109466534
Use endeavorOS

Stupid question, but is there any reason for me to not remove old kernel updates if I'm content with the active one?

>>109476236
>old kernel updates
(by which I meant and should have typed "old kernel versions", if you hadn't guessed)

>>109476236
You should always keep at least two so that if a kernel upgrade breaks badly or regresses you have something to boot into still.

Besides that, remove the old ones.

>>109464558
>nixos
>binary based distro
>systemd only
why would i switch to nixOS when gentoo is better?

>>109466534
unironically install gentoo, it just works

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>>109476130
have a version that isn't cropped/downscaled/compressed to shit

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>>109476498

how hard is to create your own rpm packages?

>>109476538
Not hard, just tedious. RPM spec files are pretty bullshit compared to something like a PKGBUILD or Gentoo ebuild but compared to the crap distros like Debian have, it's not so bad.

I suggest actually looking at a similar package on https://src.fedoraproject.org/
They're basically just some fancy format with a bunch of variables and macros for stuff.

>>109476558
>compared to the crap distros like Debian have, it's not so bad
What's wrong with Debian packaging?

>>109476576
Multiple ways to do the exact same thing, archaic tooling, everything's split across multiple files instead of in one single file, etc.
Nobody loves Debian packaging, it's just something that's tolerated.

>>109476582
Fair enough. Whenever I look at Debian source packages I get the impression that there is a lot to learn about how everything fits together, although it does seem more elegant and documented than RPM macros.

>>109476627
Ask Gemini something like:
>Generate an RPM spec file, Debian source package, PKGBUILD and Gentoo ebuild for GNU Hello. Compare them side-by-side..

The Debian version looks a lot more magical in my opinion. What does this even do?

#!/usr/bin/make -f

%:
    dh $@

I know what the helpers are doing but seriously, that looks so fucking opaque.

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>>109476660
The difference is that is fully documented in GNU Make and debhelper documentation. It has been a long time since I have looked at RPM spec files but I remember finding RPM macros not fully documented and wanting to read the RPM source code to figure things out.

>>109476733
Fedora does have documentation too, I know I've looked at it in the past for some things. But to be honest both Debian packaging and Fedora packaging is not ideal.
I much prefer the way Arch and Gentoo do their packaging, or even something like Alpine or Void have nice packaging too.

>>109476753
>I much prefer the way Arch and Gentoo do their packaging
Arch is definitely easier to understand at first glance, although it misses the power of deferring to helpers so everything must be updated manually. Gentoo is nice for the fact that you deal more directly with upstream, but building from source is a headache and resource drain that I just don't need. Haven't dealt with Alpine. I like how Void seems to explicitly support the end user building from source, but I dislike that distro for other reasons.
>Fedora does have documentation too
I recall checking that at the time and finding it lacking, although as I said it has been a long time. Maybe it has improved.

>caring about shitty rpm and apt packaging
just use appimage

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Guys is there a tool like monitor profile switcher for Linux?
Back when I was using Mint I wrote a few scripts to switch monitor layouts and audio outputs and it worked great, but those rely on xorg.
Wayland seems like a pain in the ass for this specific use case since it enumerates displays differently from what I can see.

>>109477147
Kanshi for wl-roots based Wayland WMs
kscreen-doctor for KDE Plasma
gnome-monitor-config for GNOME

>>109477020
Appimage is the worst of both worlds, you get a large bloated package that doesn't share system libraries and isn't actually all that portable (still depends on host libs).

>>109477198
I'll check them out thanks.

>>109477209
>Appimage is the worst of both worlds
That's just in theory, but in reality it's the best package format.
>sharing libs
Sharing libs is completely irrelevant and people who care about that are either delusional or disingenuous.

arch or fedora
i cant decide

>>109477231
>Sharing libs is completely irrelevant and people who care about that are either delusional or disingenuous.
No, we do not need millions of copies of Qt Webengine and Electron duplicated (no de-dupe either by the way since that's impossible to do when each AppImage is its own separate squashfs image).

You're not delusional or disingenuous for caring about that. You might as well use Flatpak instead at that point, at least that has de-dupe.

>>109477237
fedora if you want a working OS, arch if you want to build an OS yourself

>>109477245
>No, we do not need millions of copies of Qt Webengine and Electron duplicated
You expect every single software developer in the world to be in sync with the libraries they use? That's the delusional part. It's completely unfeasible and unrealistic. You literally cannot do that. A software/OS ecosystem like that cannot work unless it's a proprietary environment fully managed and controlled by a single authority.
>no de-dupe either
You think you're not already using a million different copies of various libraries and runtimes? No, Electron is not shared by apps. That's the disingenuous part. People who preach "shared libraries everywhere!" end up not living by what they preach and having no idea what they're talking about.

We've already seen that almost no user cares about any of this. All the user cares about is getting the app and it working.
If you're a developer making an rpm, apt and zst instead of just making an appimage (or flatpak), you're just wasting your time and being retarded for no reason. The only time a "native" package would be needed is if you're making a driver or something.

>You might as well use Flatpak instead at that point, at least that has de-dupe.
https://pkgforge-dev.github.io/Anylinux-AppImages/disk-usage-vs-flatpak.html
>AnyLinux-AppImages use 3.1 times less storage than flatpak.
>Not all filesystems support transparent compression, if this test had been done on ext4 filesystem then flatpak would have taken 14.86 GiB of disk, more than 7x compared to AppImage

what's the best download manager with a GUI preferrably on linux?

>>109477306
>We've already seen that almost no user cares about any of this.
That's just a flat out lie from a propagandist you've bought hook line and sinker.

Users absolutely care about disk space, disk space is not cheap anymore and users don't want unnecessary duplication. A lot of the time they'd rather uninstall your app if it's too bloated and doesn't respect your disk footprint.

>>109477342
JDownloader2 is still pretty great.

>>109476660
>comparing build recipes to binary packaging

>>109477247
>have a minimal system
>slap in packages until the system looks done
Honestly, is it THAT hard?

>>109477481
>>comparing build recipes to binary packaging
That's what the person I was replying to was talking about, yes. That nice binary package your distro gives you for free had to be built somehow.

>>109477370
>Users absolutely care about disk space
They do, but apps don't consume almost any space even if you limit yourself to Appimages and Flatpaks exclusively. 90%-99% of people's space is consumed by their images, videos, games and app data. Apps and dependencies themselves are minuscule in comparison.
>That's just a flat out lie
False. Just look at the gamers as a prime example. ZERO of the game engine libraries are shared between video games they play. Linux gamers also use Proton prefixes and Steam Runtimes, which are not de-duplicated.
>disk space is not cheap anymore
It quite literally is. The total cost of the extra storage required by exclusively using Flatpaks and Appimages (having 50-100 of them installed) is $1.2-$12, depending on the storage type, capacity and quality.

>>109477502
Gamers complain about disk usage all the time, especially now that they're hundreds of gigabytes in size, take forever to decompress and buying more storage is out of the question unless you plan on selling a kidney or two.

AppImage is tame by comparison but it still matters.

>>109476330
Thanks for the response!
>removed all but the six most recent kernels
>gained just under 50 GB of space
I've only had this install for three years; would never have guessed that it could have filled so much in that time. Gonna have to remember to do this more often.

>>109477505
>especially now that they're hundreds of gigabytes in size
You do realize what's causing that size, right? 95%+ of game data in those larger games are assets (videos, textures, models, music, etc). Libraries, dependencies and runtimes are so minimal that they're just a small speck of the overall disk usage.

Gamers aren't complaining about their 20 games shipping with 20 duplicated Unity runtimes+libraries, requiring 4 different Proton versions, and requiring 20 wine prefixes. Those storage costs are very minimal.
Gamers are complaining about "50GB-200GB game sizes" in general. When you actually look into it, the storage requirement primarily comes from game assets.
A simple 3D Unity game could be as small as 50MB. But once you start adding highly realistic textures, a ton of "skins", many high quality uncompressed soundtracks, pre-rendered cut scenes, voice tracks for multiple languages, etc., it can balloon to 1GB-25GB. Meaning the entirety of the Unity runtime with all libraries included ends up being just 0.1%-5% of the whole game.

So, having your 20 games share libraries and runtimes wouldn't help at all. Sure, you're saving around 500MB in this scenario and that sounds great, but then you realize that your "50GB-200GB" games are still consuming 1TB-4TB of storage. So in the end you've saved less than 1% of your storage by using shared libs.

The solution to this problem aren't shared libraries. The solution is asset optimization, which is highly unpopular these days.

>>109477707
>Gamers aren't complaining about their 20 games shipping with 20 duplicated Unity runtimes+libraries, requiring 4 different Proton versions, and requiring 20 wine prefixes. Those storage costs are very minimal.
They're minimal but only by comparison. You'd be surprised how much duplication there is, especially on Linux where every game has a completely separate Wine prefix with its own additional copies.
At least BTRFS can offset some of that with dedup and compression but it's not nothing.

arent appimages very similar to how software is distributed on windows?

>>109477751
Yeah, Appimages are basically like .exe files. Everything the program needs to run is within the Appimage.
You gotta use a manager like Gear Lever or AppManager for GUI and AppMan for CLI if you want them set up in your system properly.

>>109477481
>arch
nah it's easy
>>slap in packages until the system looks done
that's pretty much the only control arch gives

does it make sense to install cachyos on an old laptop?
i know they have packages for x86-64v3 but they also support older cpus
would their kernel modifications help with old hardware?

>>109477941
>would their kernel modifications help with old hardware?
You probably won't notice the difference in daily use

>Install COSMIC
>It borks the GNOME session for some reason
Huh???

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Is there any gotcha with MSI motherboards on Linux? I see MSI mentioned sometimes along with Gigabyte having poor Linux support. Gigabyte uses ITe SuperIO which isn't good on Linux, but I don't know what MSI's issue could be

>double click .exe by accident
>desktop almost crashes
I'm not sure how that could even work.

>>109478146
MSI cards can have a small amount of issues on Linux, mainly because MSI focuses on Windows and basically just ignores Linux testing.
Shit like ACPI bugginess (mostly with sleep states), how the sensor chip it uses isn't in the Linux kernel so you need a DKMS module for it to work, that you need OpenRGB to use any of its light shit plus how updating the BIOS on them is a hassle on Linux because they come in archival .exe files instead of just raw .cap/.rom.

Realistically is there any fucking good laptops that don't have issues?
https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/TUXEDO-InfinityBook-Pro-14-Gen10.tuxedo#configurator

I don't even want to play games just run VMs on it since windows is shit for it

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>>109478254
NTA but use a B550 tomahawk, its worked generally fine and IO has been much more reliable than my previous asus on a win7. Even the second Ethernet port is recognised fine, haven't used it for daisy chaining, but both ports can connect to LAN fine. Haven't experimented with the RGB either but idgaf.
I found the sleep states, they've been a tiny bit of a pot luck for me, about 1/25-50 chance that it won't switch back on, never thought to pin that to the mobo.

>>109478345
>I found the sleep states, they've been a tiny bit
Fuck my english
>I found the sleep states to have been a tiny bit

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>>109466534
>Can someone blackpill me on cachyOS as a daily driver desktop OS.
its alright
i dont really game either, its just arch with some essentials and utilities and i3/x11 pre-installed with some 'good enough' defaults put in.

i simply had enough of win11. if you are halfway technical and aren't afraid of using AI in a smart way (and as a learning exp), its a pretty good way of falling in luv with computers again

>>109478146
>>109478254
Some or most (!) manufacturers only care about windows specification. For example my HP workstation's acpi functions are deemed buggy and incomplete by the linux kernel. This issue is more like an opinion, manufacturers just don't implement every possible acpi call and whatnot because there is no need to do that anyway.
Your journalctl will have red messages in this case and you can just disable loading certain kernel modules but it's not that straightforward from the get go.
If you experience strange issues it could be related to this matter.
Just don't do anything stupid like acpi=off or follow retarded LLM instructions without knowing what you are doing...

>>109478146
You might not be able to set boot entries in the nvram using efibootmgr properly. It's a common problem.
MSI is, in general, the worst company I have ever owned products of, in terms of quality.

>>109477751
That depends on the software. The closest equivalents to Appimage are Windows portable apps and macOS .app bundles.
The regular Windows installers behave a bit different and are closer to the way regular packages (rpm, deb, flatpak) work, minus the "being manageable by a package manager" part.

A lot of Windows software still does require globally installed dependencies like specific versions of dotnet framework, vcredist, directx, etc.. In most cases the official installers for those dependencies are bundled into the app installer, or are pulled from Microsoft's repository or archive during the install.
As for dependencies that don't need a global installation, apps do opt to include them. But this is something you can do even with regular Linux packages. You can either include the dependencies in your binary, or unpack them somewhere like /opt and link to them.

The closest equivalent to Windows installers on Linux would be single file .sh installers which bundle everything and install software into /opt or your /home. That's how GOG games are distributed to Linux, for example.

>>109477912
>that's pretty much the only control arch gives
Or any typical binary distro for that matter. Also it's worth noting you can install Fedora or Ubuntu or any distro in the similar fashion. Some (most?) even hand out minimal root filesystem tarballs.
>>109477488
Right. But building what's inside the package is another story.

>>109478400
That's why they have specifically Linux certified models.

i'm gonna be giving a laptop to people who have only used phones their entire lives, at least i'm pretty sure that they've never used a laptop, but I honestly think windows is horrible, which linux distro would be perfect for people like that? Also FydeOS doesn't work on it, already tried.

>>109478933
i currently have Zorin OS lite on it but idk if they'll be able to get the proper updates on that without asking for my help to update things. They'll only be using it for internet purposes btw.

>>109463884
Then go to/fwt/ anon. This obviously isn't the place for you.

>>109478953
You have to know your enemy.

>>109478933
Bluefin

>>109479032
thank you, hopefully it works with a laptop that is from 2010, it has 8 gigs of ram and an SSD at least.

>>109479054
It should work considering I was using it on an HDD, although my laptop has double the RAM and is slightly more recent.

>>109479032
thats based on fedora right?
does it also come with SELinux?

>>109477342
Motrix, Xtreme Download Manager, JDownloader2, Persepolis. Choose your fav.

How autistic is something like Nix?
I'm bored and feel like using something outside of the usual.

>>109479096
>does a Fedora image come with SELinux
What do you think?

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>>109479075
any reason they got rid of this version?

>>109479132
No idea. It was probably too annoying to maintain. The Fedora version is just a Fedora Atomic image with some modifications applied during build time. So it's not a maintenance burden. With the CentOS version they were doing something different, and I believe they're moving the non-Fedora images to BuildStream and Freedesktop SDK.

k so i put bluefin on a USB stick and when I go to load i am greeted with "Welcome to GRUB!" error: symbol 'grub_is_cli_need_auth' not found.

and then put into Grub rescue, did I do something wrong with flashing of bluefin?

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why is rofi like this? looked up the manual and case insensitive is the default so why the hell would it be like this

so i'm not sure bluefin is gonna work on this laptop, i'm reflashing it with belenaetcher but my i'm not very hopeful about it at this point. Might need a different OS.

>>109463884
Did you fall in your fucking head?
This is a GNU/Linux thread, not a troll one.

>>109479471
It's sorting alphabetically and since the "Disk Usage" utility contains "Files" in its .desktop file it shows up first because D < F. Rofi ain't particularly smart.

>>109479471
>WhY dOeS rOfI Lo00o0Ok like th4t??/!!!111!!!
...
Because you did nothing to customize it.
This is how it looks by default

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>>109479618
What do I need to change to make it less retarded and actually put the thing I'm searching for in the top?

>>109479571
I see

ok so bluefin is actually amazing, didn't even ask me for a username or password. Why don't more linux systems do this?

>>109479779
>t. laptop theif

>>109479661
If you type "drun: files" it will match with d*. It's not that hard to understand.

>>109479785
never stolen a laptop in my entire life, I just hate having to type a password in whenever i want to install new software, windows never asks for that.

>>109479797
You can edit visudo and achieve the same results.

>>109479851
didn't know that, that would probably make me switch entireley to linux as long as its easy to do.

>>109479868
Pretty simple; You just add a username and the permissions you want. I did it whilst drunk, so you can manage.

>>109479892
i'll try it on my cachyOS laptop first so if i do fuck up its not a big deal.

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>>109479787
Great bait, mate. Not gonna make Rofi less shit however.

>>109479916
so uh when i typed in "Sudo Visudo" it says "no editor found"

>>109479948
Don't have nano or other terminal based text editor?

>>109479971
i have nano but its empty when i open it.

>>109479992
sudo EDITOR=nano visudo
That change anything?

>>109479779
>Why don't more linux systems do this?
because most distro maintainers are incompetent when it comes to setting up PAM with automatic login

>unraid moving away from slackware as a base because it's an outdated piece of shit
anyone unironically using slackware these days?

>>109480037
unraid using that in the first place was a mistake

>>109479924
I only use a theme file for rofi if I'm using it as a launcher and it works. Theme itself is nothing but font type definition etc.
I don't simply understand your problem.

super + r    
    sh -c 'rofi -show run -theme ~/.config/bspwm/rofi_bspwm.rasi'

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>>109480141
At the very bottom

ok before i even switch to linux, is it possible to use virtual desktop with linux? cause honestly i think that would be the only way I wouldn't switch is due to VR.

>>109464338
That was one of my only complaints when I tried KDE out; most programs have parts of their settings segregated into their own "Configure..." menu instead of everything being in a unified settings or preferences menu

>>109480330
As in virtual machines?

>>109478975
The only one who is an enemy here is the Windows user. Windows is the enemy of freedom

>>109480345
no for Virtual Reality.

>>109480330
>virtual desktop
What exactly do you mean by this? Workspaces? VR desktop? AR desktop? Virtual machines? Virtual or remote monitors? Linux supports these.

>>109480330
Yes. I use Virtual Desktop with Bazzite and it's perfect
>>109480345
Nah bro, it's a program that lets you turn a standalone inside-out tracking VR headset into PCVR headset

>>109480377
how exactly? I just installed it on cachyOS and when i went to run it nothing popped up.

honestly i think at this point imma just have windows and cachyOS on the same drive and when I wanna do VR just go back to windows because I can't be arsed to try and figure out how to get virtual Desktop on linux.

>>109480385
I dunno with CachyOS, I used Lutris on Bazzite. Although from what I hear ALVR is even better and SteamLink for steam games cuts out the middle man altogether. I use VD for the media player because I enjoy being able to watch movies and shows in my own private movie theater on a 65 foot wide screen instead of a 17" laptop display, but for gaming I use SteamLink to directly connect my Quest 2 and slimevr trackers to my laptop

>>109480782
I connect wirelessly and I don't currently play any VR games on steam, currently i'm gonna be playing gen1recomp in VR so I don't think ALVR or steamlink will work for that, its fine though I have 500 gigs of free space.

>>109480774
use wivrn+xrizer+wayvr

>>109480352
you are a threat to my democracy. consider yourself banned.

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almost finished installing, i wonder how fast my computer will be after this, i been using windows for so long on my main rig and basically never had enough space to run both.

>>109480774
It's only available to KDE I think.

>>109481204
ok so for some reason i can't boot to cachyOS, its installed but theres no way to boot to it, i guess imma just have to go fully to cachyOS at this point and figure shit out.

>>109481302
man imma miss windows a bit, and imma have to figure so much shit out.

how do i take screenshots with noctula kernal on cachyOS? for some reason printscreen does nothing.

So if the AUR has malware how the fuck do i install programs from it without it infecting me on cachyOS?

>>109482080
do not redeem the aur saar. do not redeem.

>>109482080
Is the software available outside the AUR in various formats? Is the source code available? Because you can always compile from source. You're not limited to only an .exe like on windows.

>>109481302
>ok so for some reason i can't boot to cachyOS,
Probably some UEFI fuckery
Boot to BIOS
Then pick the disk you put cachyos in

>>109482110
nigga runs cachyos. what difference does it make to him if the source code is available.

>>109482080
Read the PKGBUILD and check if it follows the upstream build instructions and fetches the source from the correct url

>>109482120
unforunately that wasn't working but its fine
>>109482110
i found it outside of the AUR thankfully, as long as gnome project software manager isn't a part of that.

>>109482080
The official Arch repos, Flatpak, Appimage, Distrobox

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>>109480782
how do i get ALVR to work? i followed the instructions and i'm getting this shitty error

why the fuck can't the devs over at virtual desktop stop being retards and make virtual desktop work with linux rather then having to fuck around with this shitty software that doesn't just work out of the box...

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also my system specs on cachy

one thing i miss that doesn't seem to be a thing on linux is mouse middle click scroll, specially with how finicky my scroll wheel is.

>>109482973
You can enable this both in firefox and chrome. I forgot which chrome flag is needed in chrome, but in firefox it's in the settings and it's called "autoscroll". Middle click on Linux has historically (and moronically) been a shortcut to paste text from a separate, hidden clipboard which automatically copies any text you select into itself.

there's some real slim pickins here for 'Linux' in the catalog.

>>109483399
thank you, still need it in other programs though.

>>109466956
me one more time
i have fucked around with fedora for a few days, nearly bricked my computer setting keys, and have determined that this OS is infinitely preferable to windows. also, davinci resolve is genuinely better than premiere pro, and is free. the dolphin file explorer has much quicker search functionality than windows, which is a blessing. i also really love the super key, and how many hotkeys you can set it to. for instance i can now blank my screen with super + n, or peak at desktop with super + d, or open dolphin with super + e. super awesome.

>>109483490
It's up to the program to implement middle click scroll in Linux. You might have luck with it if you disable the middle click paste in your system settings. It should be under "General Behavior" if you're on KDE Plasma.

>>109483464
idk this thread is entertaining >>109482350

>>109483518
Wait until you find out you can resize windows without having to specifically grab borders and move them around without having to specifically grab the title bar. The fact Windows still lacks this feature after Linux had it for 2 decades is annoying as fuck whenever I have to use a Windows device.

>>109483549
i already know about super + arrow keys, but i will have to discover the other functionality you mentioned randomly for the surprise to take full effect.
>The fact Windows still lacks this feature after Linux had it for 2 decades is annoying as fuck whenever I have to use a Windows device.
it is indeed very stupid.

ok new issue since switching to linux, i no longer know when my headset is low on battery, the woman in my headset doesn't speak to me cause i don't have ghub. Tried to install it Via Wine but it didn't work, Lutris doesn't have it anywhere either. Wtf do I do? I like knowing when my headset is low.

>>109483916
Can't clone gits without account now?

>>109484029
logitech ghub, not github.

>>109483916
>the woman in my headset doesn't speak to me cause i don't have ghub
Do you seriously need external software for that? Even the chink headset I own has that shitty engrish voice they all have without having to install anything else.

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It finally happened. I'd been waiting months for Fedora to inconvenience me so that I have a reason to make the damn switch to Debian. Today I updated Fedora and AeroThemePlasma broke. I'm almost in tears. Today is a good day.

>the average linux user rejoices at the thought of his current distro breaking
>he finally has an excuse to distro hop again
>the grass is always greener
>he is just color blind

>>109484968
This would be my first time distrohopping. I only ditched Windows in December, but I'm annoyed by Fedora's update cadence. I get blueballed every day on Fedora seeing the Discover notification in my taskbar every day, clicking on it, and having to read gigabytes worth of package names every day to determine whether anything I actually care about has updates; usually it's just irrelevant libraries. This happens every day and I hate it. But whenever you get a Discover notification on Debian, you can trust that you will give a shit about it and will optimistically read the patch notes.

>>109484988
>sudo dnf check-update | grep mesa
nothing
>sudo dnf offline-upgrade download
don't care about anything else
notifications for updates are always off

>>109485023
I don't want to type that shit

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>>109485035
your loss. learn 2 alias maybe.

>>109485048
I don't know what alias is. But I know Debian won't give me superfluous updates.

>>109485066
yeah they instead are going to give you bug fixes and security updates for two years until the next release happens.

>>109485074
Sounds good, I don't need daily library updates.

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You know, as many memes as I've heard on here 'bout KDE >krashes, I've got to say that while using KDE for the last six months after never really using it before (in the ~10 years I've used Linux OSes I mostly used Budgie and Pop's outdated GNOME) it's actually rock solid, it even handled the oddball hardware I'm on without a single issue. However, I was just recently forced to switch to GNOME because I was having some serious issues with power management and overheating under KDE, and so far, only two days in, it's been a rather shockingly buggy experience in comparison.
>If my keyboard/dGPU is unplugged before logging into GNOME, auto rotation doesn't work until it's attached and reattached again
>If you do this, logging out of GNOME crashes the device
>The desktop always fails to rotate the background of the overview when the device is rotated, leading to the empty space getting filled by afterimages of the desktop/app tray
>attempting to edit a file's name while in tablet mode causes Nautilus to crash and exit when the on screen keyboard pops up
>when saving a file, can't edit filenames in the file dialog in tablet mode because the keyboard refuses to show up at all
>multiple instances of GNOME straight up hard freezing for no apparent reason
>just had an instance today where after moving a maximized window with the touchscreen and then attempting to move another window I was puzzled as to why it wasn't working
>thought that it was a touchscreen/stylus issue since I've had many instances where the system stops responding to screen input when switching between touch/stylus input but fixes itself when the screen is turned off and on again
>tried turning off screen, power button doesn't respond
>the system was frozen and I was forced to hard reset
Pop's outdated GNOME was pretty janky too, and I've had to restart the DE many a time due to the overview getting slower/buggier the longer that I used it, but nothing quite so bad as hard freezes out of nowhere.

>>109485195
Small correction, two instances of inxeplicable hard freezing. I don't remember the exact circumstances around the first time it happened. Two times in two days is a pretty bad first impression though.

>>109485195
Whatever power management issues were having it probably wasn't KDE.
Likely an issue with what distro you were using. There is some support for power management in KDE but it's mostly a frontend to other utilities

>>109485083
who is actually forcing you to install them?

so when will linux not be paying the 20% gpu util tax on dx12 games this is pretty insane

>>109485294
When publishers start releasing native ports of their games that don't go through a billion different translation layers.

Also, they need to optimise their buggy games in general. There is some overhead from Proton and DXVK, etc, but it's not that bad. Most GPU utilisation issues can be solved by the developer giving a damn and optimising their game to not be so heavy. They won't do that do that though.

>>109485292
I don't want to read lists of packages every day. I just want my Patch Tuesday and Debian gives me that.

>>109485294
when windows finally transitions to ai powered cloud os and the games are also ai generated.

>>109485294
That's an Nvidia problem

bestest KDE theme?

>>109485455
all of them suck but gnome sucks more

>>109483916
Buy a better headset. A Bluetooth headset should automatically relay the battery status to the device it's connected to. Also a headset should be able to independently tell you the battery status without requiring software or even being connected to a device. Even cheap shitty headphones behave this way.

>>109484988
Nobody is forcing you to press the update button.

>>109485345
Debian doesn't even get most security updates. Also if you cared about security you wouldn't install random 3rd party KDE themes. Installing a 3rd party KDE plugin/theme is almost like installing an AUR package.

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>>109485455
Oxygen with Breeze cursors

xfce only needs a few extra QOL features to make it the best desktop

Which local LLM should I get for answering my stupid questions about linux?
Never tried to install ai locally. The online ai's work pretty great for this purpose, so was thinking about switching to local for total control

>>109485455
Breeze Dark

>>109485686
local ones are going to be slow as fuck unless you have two gpus. your gpu is going to sit there maxxed with vram and every time you question it it is going to spin up and make your computer even slower.

>>109485686
Ollama with gemma4 or Qwen

>>109485686
Gemma 4 is one of the best local models currently, though make sure you get a jailbroken version of it from huggingface.

>>109485696
Ok maybe I scrapbthe idea.
I have 5080

>>109485719
lm-studio is also really nice to try them out fast. basically nothing to setup. just run the appimage (maybe update) and see if you like it.

>>109485719
He's exaggerating, you can definitely use local LLMs with a single GPU, especially a 5080. It's true, they will steal all your VRAM but they'll unload the model afterwards once they're done with it so for quick fire questions it's fine.

Just maybe don't do something stupid like try to use it whilst playing a game, etc.

>>109485621
>Nobody is forcing you to press the update button
It's not about whether I'm forced to press update. It's that I don't want to have to make a decision about whether the updates are worth installing in the first place. Debian gives me absolute peace of mind that every update that comes my way is relevant.

>>109485286
I've been on Cachy this whole time. All I know is that even on balanced power mode in KDE, just drawing in Krita fullscreen would get the system crazy hot, so hot it would eventually start throttling. It would happen faster in performance mode and/or with a music player or a web browser with a video running in the background. Tried installing thermald, no dice. I haven't had that issue with GNOME, though. I drew all day with stuff running in the background and even though it got fairly hot not once did I experience throttling. I really don't know why that's the case.

>>109485743
>I don't want to have to make a decision about whether the updates are worth installing in the first place.
They never are, not even in Debian. Actually, especially in Debian.
> Debian gives me absolute peace of mind that every update that comes my way is relevant.
It doesn't.

>>109485816
>They never are
My browser updates are pretty important and worth installing. Kernel updates are also worth rebooting your system for.

>>109485819
>Kernel updates
>worth rebooting
>on Debian
No.
>browser updates
Flatpaks update separately from your OS.

>>109485834
>No.
idgi?
>Flatpaks update separately
I don't use Flatpaks.

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>>109484988
you have already posted your shitty debian propaganda before. no anon, nobody is going to use debian, a server distro, on their desktop. stop with the memes.

>>109485843
>a server distro
Servers don't even use Debian lol

>>109485837
>idgi?
Debian's kernel updates don't bring anything important. They're not "worth installing" whatsoever. Also they're frequent, yet you're complaining about the update frequency of Fedora.
>I don't use Flatpaks.
Oh wow you're so special.

>>109485857
>bring anything important
Fixing CVE's?
>Oh wow you're so special
What is the point of this jab? Don't get upset because you failed to deconstruct my use case.

>>109485857
>yet you're complaining about the update frequency of Fedora
Also, I'm complaining about the frequency of updates that I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT on Fedora. If Fedora gave me updates that I GAVE A FUCK ABOUT every day, I wouldn't have a problem. It's just that Fedora molests me with hundreds of package updates every day and I have to read through all of them to see whether anything I GIVE A FUCK ABOUT has received updates.

I'd like to make some bit videos for some friends in the style of the windows XP movie maker era style. Is there a port/clone some other option for getting that sweet sweet blue background and photo transitions?

>>109485860
>CVE's
Security theater. Kernel-level CVEs pretty much always require at least one of the following
>physical access
>an existing exploit in your application suite which can be chained to the kernel
>a running, exploitable service you've exposed to the internet

>>109485866
Okay? From the looks of it you're complaining about this every few months and it's always the same complaint against Fedora, and it's always the same "I'm switching to Debian guys!". What even is the point of all this aside from making it look like Debian users are obnoxious retards? You're not really achieving anything else.

Also, Debian kernel updates do not always contain CVE fixes. So by your standards they're irrelevant updates that YOU SHOULD NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT. Debian will make you feel molested too. You should probably just not use a computer.

>>109485748
i have seen posts on the fedora subreddit about gnome consuming less power giving more battery life than plasma
dont know how true that is

>>109485918
>Debian will make you feel molested too
What, every Tuesday? I'm fine with Patch Tuesday.

>>109485923
A DE shouldn't really affect battery life providing you're not comparing Wayland to X11.