Yep, Fedora won again. Undisputed.
He can't keep getting away with this!
>>109465895It's a great starting point, but I think I'll be switching to gentoo once I get more comfortable with linux
>newfagsInstall gentoo >gaymers Install gentoo >windows refugeesInstall gentoo >power usersInstall gentoo>devs and tech autistsInstall gentoo>content creatorsInstall gentoo>your grandpaInstall gentooAny questions?
>>109466295What would you gain if you switch to Gentoo?
>>109466316That is just an opinion. Fedora is factually and technically superior.
Literally 0 point in using fedora when silverblue and the universal blue oses - bazzite, bluefin, aurora exist.
I didn't like it at first because I needed to do fusion repo shit to get drivers and swap ffmpeg-free for ffmpeg, but yeah, it's been good to me. fedora number one, IBM best company saar.
>>109465895No, I won't fight retarded people. It's unfair and discriminatory.
>>109465895do you use the terra repo?does that conflict with rpmfusion?
>>109466410These derivative operating systems would not exist without their source, Fedora.
>>109466410Do anons in this board actually use atomic/ublue? I've seen some mention Bazzite for gaymer stuff, but the other ones are less popular around here it seems.
>>109465895>fedall that needs said really
>>109466483Stick to the rpmfusion repos. They are maintained by engineers close to Fedora.
>>109466512The feds contribute even to the Linux kernel, so your favorite amateurish distro is also affected. Fedora still winning.
>>109466410Silverblue is an official Fedora edition. The other ones are derivatives of Silverblue and ilk.
>>109466450Ad hominem, while glorious Fedora crushes the lesser distros. Nice one, anon.
>>109465895Fedora is fine but I prefer Debian. I'd rather use an RHEL clone than Fedora also
>>109466829Any technical reasons?
>Pop!_OS>VoidThese are the only options.Want a distro that just works and you don't care about systemd or age verification? Pop is for you.Want a distro that doesn't depend on Debian, Red Hat, or Arch and has no systemd or age verification that also works? Void is for you.Fagdora is corporate slop, it's as bad as Ubuntu.The reason it's shilled so much is because it's become the choice of Windows refugees who don't know shit about technology or Linux.
>>109466584Welcome former-Windows user! Fedora your first distro, Champ? Very nice! You'll have fun ChatGPTing how do this and that and one day you'll get the urge to try a new distro (as soon as reddit tells you to)!
>>109466860Fedora is not corporate slop, it is a community project, sponsored by corporations(mainly redhat). Fedora(redhat) engineers are the greatest contributors to the open source software on which all other distros depend on(including pop and void). Fedora is upstream first.
>>109466905>it is a community project, sponsored by corporationslol
>>109466905>Fedora is not corporate slop>Sponsored by a corporation>Fedora engineers --> Mostly Microsoft employees>Greatest contributorsbut but but>Not corporate slop!!!!!!!
>>109466900You are wrong, dear anon. I have experience with all the major distros and some niche ones. I have found Fedora to be technically superior.
>Fedora engineers --> Mostly Microsoft employeesSources or it didn't happen.
>Sponsored by a corporationWhich relevant distro is not sponsored by at least one corporation?
>Greatest contributorsAt least this is a fact.
I like Fedora, it's simple to use.>t. used windows for the last 18 years
I run Silverblue with a bunch of kargs I have no clue as to what they really do and it's really comfy. Toolbx is comfy. Gnome is comfy. Dash to Dock crapped itself after a month though, seems like a bug they cannot really fix so switched to Panel.
>>109467003Good for you, anon. Fedora is for everyone.
>>109467023Yep, Silverblue will be the main Fedora edition sometime in the future.
Fedora is a solid distro. But it's the not the end all be all either. This new tribalism, I suspect, is coming from the huge influx of windows refugees. I use both Pop (with GNOME) and Fedora and I noticed absolutely zero difference between them, except Pop is a little better for gaming.
Well, looks like Fedora was on top again. All the other lesser distros can put their bikinis back on now.
>>109467382Well, for starters the fedora community is super friendly and objectively the most knowledgeable. Try getting support for Pop if you are not a customer of their hardware (hint, it will be underwhelming).
>except Pop is a little better for gaming.Not in my experience. Fedora being on the latest stable kernel by default and current mesa gave me an edge in gaming.
>>109467464Except you're lying. Fedora can game and game well, but Pop is superior at it in the end.
>>109466846Debian has a broader range of packages available than Fedora and both Debian and RHEL clones like Rocky/Alma are more stable and more rigourously tested than Fedora which is more important to me than having the latest packages.
>>109467476Negative.I get more fps on fedora.
>>109467497Greater number of packages is irrelevant in the age of containers and flathub. Debian is stable in the sense of package versions changing only for security reasons, good for servers, bad for desktops, same for the Rhel clones, which are at least More professionally maintained due to the redhat heritage. If we talk about stability as in lack of bugs during daily desktop usage Fedora is ahead by a lot. So, server - use Alma, desktop - use Fedora. Easy life.
>>109467601That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. However I prefer the wider range of available packages and not using flatpaks, as well as the availability of .deb files. In my anecdotal experience I find Debian more stable in day to day usage in addition to being more stable in the technical sense of frozen packages.
>>109465895>fed
>>109467623Debian is solid. I use it as my server OS. Never had a problem.
>>109466860>Meme!_OS>Meme>These are the only options.lol'd>>109465895mogged by debian
>>109467696>DebianGood morning SAAR. Did you teh pronouns today?!?
>>109467623Don't get me wrong I respect debian a lot, mainly for its stance on open source software. I fear that its days as a relevant project are numbered though.
>>109467682As server, sure. Still inferior to Alma which is downstream of Fedora.
>>109467729Debian still has sightly more contributors than Fedora and Ubuntu, and literally an order or magnitude more than Arch or OpenSUSE. Ubuntu devs also contribute directly to Debian. They're also partially funded by Canonical, Google and Amazon.
>>109467818>partially funded by Canonical, Google and Amazon.LMAO
>>109467718my pronouns are gnu/linux
>>109467718>maintains Debian technical excellence in your path
>>10946781890 % percent of those contributors are old neck beards soon to retire. Barely any new blood is coming in and debian is doomed in a couple of years. Fedora on the other hand is flooded with new talent and its future is bright.
>>109467931Yeah I'll worry about that if it ever actually comes to pass. It's easy to switch to Fedora. But there is no reason to. Debian holds significant advantage over Fedora for its users.
>>109467931Claude says that this is bullshit
>Debian holds significant advantage over Fedora Could you elaborate?
>>109467989Human says you can't tie your shoelaces without llm.
>>109468021You sure can lie without an llm
>>109467931By the way, this >>109467919 is the chair of the Debian Technical Committee. He is 22.>>109467997Take repo size for example. Debian Unstable has 31k *source* packages, while Fedora 44 has 21k, excluding packages that only exist for each respective distro. RPMFusion has 250, btw.
>>109468037Yes, I can't seem to locate the exact thread in the debian mailing lists right now but I am one hundred percent sure of them discussing the problem with the aging debian developers.
>>109468057is debian testing viable as a desktop distro?im serously considering it
>Take repo size for example. Repo size is irrelevant in the age of containers and flathub except if it is strongly inadequate. Fedora's repo is absolutely adequate in size.
>>109468115Everything is viable if you hate yourself enough.
>>109468115i always see people say to avoid this they say it does not get security updates in time
>>109468115Just use Sid.>>109468119>except if it is strongly inadequateYou refute yourself.
>Just use SidAnd prepare for a world of hurt even if you take a course in Linux system administration.
I don't understand why people use anything but stable. Why do you need bleeding edge software?
>>109468221For new hardware mostly but also user facing apps like browsers etc. But you are right, Sid is unusable for normies. Choose fedora.
>>109468221Having a newer desktop environment on your daily driver desktop can be nice.>>109468251>/g/>normie
>>109468251Both chrome and firefox provide their own apt repos, they don't depend on debian maintainers
>>109468275Oh, one more thing you need to know and do manually in Debian. In Fedora Firefox latest version is by default.
>>109468299Does installing web browsers filter you often?
i've used ubuntu but wanted something else because of snap etc. i tried debian but sudo didn't work out of the box so into the trash it goes. now i use fedora and i'm happy. only if gnome didn't require extensions to make it usable it would be perfect.
>>109468343Fedora doesn't like filters. Fedora is for everyone but doesn't encourage proprietary software at the same time.
>>109468115>is debian testing viable as a desktop distro?It's about as stable as Fedora (which is effectively the testing version of RHEL), possibly moreso. And massively more stable than Arch.
>>109468393You're right. Fedora is fully automated bliss for the masses.https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/Multimedia
>>109468299Fedora doesn't even come with codecs ootb
>>109468373Debian Installer literally asks if you want to allow sign in as root. If you say no, sudo gets automatically enabled.
>>109468430Legal reasons. Nothing can be done about it. Codecs still available in rpmfusion or alternatively the apps on flathub come with all codecs included.
>>109468495>Nothing can be done about itWell, you could just install Debian.
>>109468428https://github.com/rpmfusion-infra/fedyEverything fedora related, codecs, proprietary shit etc, can be enabled by clicking buttons. It is while not officially (legal reasons) associated with Fedora, it practically is under the rpmfusion infra namespace, so completely trustworthy. Normies paradise.
>Well, you could just install Debian.Well, i could install Gentoo... Well, i could install LFS... Well, I could learn assembly...
>>109468584>Bro expects his mythical Fedora normie to hit up GitHubI thought Silverblue was le ebic normie distro? Or was that 3rd party Bazzite? Hmm.
>>109468430oh my god who gives a fucking shit
>>109468495>Legal reasons. Nothing can be done about it.Except Debian and its forks like Ubuntu and Mint all have easily enabled repos with proprietary drivers.
>>109468624Apparently the anon I was responding to does as he's filtered by installing a browser
>>109468638
>>109468622>I thought Silverblue was le ebic normie distro? It will probably soon be, when the Fedora developers iron out all kinks and make it the official main edition... Probably a year or two..
>>109468638No one is gonna sue Debian and Mint and Ubuntu is registered in a frickin British island. Fedora is heavily sponsored by redhat and there are lots of trolls who would love to sue redhat.
>>109468722>Fedora is heavily sponsored by the NSAFIFY
>>109468419Not in my experience. Also debian testing often lags on important security updates which is unacceptable.
>>109468980Sources or it didn't happen.
Yeah, debian was the king for a long time, now is the time for Fedora to shine. /g/ is slowly accepting the hat's technical supremacy.
>>109469189No it's not. Fagdora is only being shilled a a few techlet windows refugees. Actual Linux users don't give a fuck about distro wars.
>>109469245Well, you should give a fuck when Arch gives you aur aids and debian doesn't recognize your brand new gpu.
>>1094692701. Arch doesn't want you2. Debian has that covered - You can install an iso containing nonfree software if you want. Use the debian netinst and install testing if your drivers are super new.
>>109465895
>>109467718How's she doing anyway?
>>109469328Doing good. No issues. She's who was voted for.
>>109466317A closer relationship with the AI model of your choosing.
>>109469346So how does installing gentoo get me a closer relationship with Kimi K3?
>>109469356You'll be asking it about all the compiling errors.
>>109468115why would you do this, just use normal debian or fedora. i have machines running both right now
Fedora runs too slow for me. I don’t know what yall do to make it so dogshit slow but no other distribution runs kde plasma so awfully.
>>109469379Nah, I wouldn't, because I'd setup an MCP server for gentoo system administration. It would fetch the gentoo wiki for information (saved on local disk) any time it needed guidance for how to best configure the system. In addition, it would handle configuration of USE flags for me automatically. It would compile the system exactly to my hardware, and it would build only exactly what the computer needs (and what I define)Sound familiar? Reminder: Gentoo is used for ChromeOS. And also, I have installed gentoo in the past. I just prefer Debian.
Gentoo is your daddy.
>>109469404How does it choose flags automatically for stuff like unbound or ffmpeg? Does it just compile them with everything enabled?
I'm more into mommies but a dad would be okay too.>>109469452It has what is best described as a "decision making process" which is revealed via "thought blocks" which you can debug in an advanced client.>Does it just compile them with everything enabled?Are you asking about a hypothetical MCP server for gentoo? It would first need to index the system's hardware, then it would make a database containing that info. You could also index gentoo wiki for the use flags. There are lots of ways to achieve what you want. You would have to be specific
>>109469316As many times pointed out, debian testing can also give you aids due to often lagging in critical security updates.
>>109469402Fedora can be a little bit slower than other distros because it optimizes for security. I am willing to make that tradeoff.
>>109469538then stay on stable.
>>109469595Then I cannot use my new gpu. Can you feel the catch 22?
>>109465895>Fight meno
>>109469648Do you have an iGPU?You could also use Debian Backportshttps://packages.debian.org/trixie-backports/nvidia-driverHere you go. Assuming nvidia
Simple. https://wiki.debian.org/Backports
>>109466316No thanks. I already have fedora installed.
>>109469663Backports don't have security guarantees exactly like testing. Can you feel catch 22?
>>109469694If you want security guarantees, Debian is not for you. Install Ubuntu or Fedora.
>>109469658Opensuse is like the little brother of Fedora. Cool but not that big yet. Fedora still winning.
>>109469701Yep, that is why I prefer Fedora. Ubuntu is shit, you have to register to even receive all the security updates.
>>109466860>Voidwish their skeleton-crew of maintainers were less obnoxious
Huh, Fedora kicked some ass again. Case closed.
Fedora has also the biggest Bus Factor, right?
>>109470730Don't know about no bus factor but it has the biggest male attribute.
Does anybody dual boot with fedora and windows 10? I'm curious.
>>109469749see that's not true. Whether or not you register you get Canonical's security updates for the "Main" and "Restricted" repositories. You have to register (it's free) to get Canonical's paid programmers security updates for the "Universe" repository. If you don't you still get some, just the community ones.
>>109465895retarded reddit faggot ass name. not installing this shit. sorry bud!
>>109470926So if I don't register I have to check for every package that I install if it comes from the universe repo? Dumb and tedious as fuck.
>register (it's free) Just checked, it's free for up to five machines. Not gonna fly in my usecase. Typical canonical bulshittery.
uhm guys.. anyone else noticed lately how every anon has perfect grammar and punctuation? even in this very thread 95% of replies are>ack
Nothing to fight. Only thing that I don't like is that lot of open source software is increasingly being controlled by corporates including fedora.
>>109471042
>>109470941Not a technical reason, thus irrelevant. Keep seething.
>>109470967Many universe packages come from Debian, and Ubuntu community maintainers.You can simply accept the community-level support for packages in the universe repo, the same way many other distros handle non-core software or sub for free to get Canonical backing.
>>109471068>>109471093
>the same way many other distros handle non-core software Fedora stands out from the mass again. Fedora fixes all security bugs on all packages, no questions asked.
>>109470886I dual boot windows 11 and fedora on separate physical drives
>>109471023half of these replies are clearly just OP bumping
>>109471148Basically only Canonical will back the 70k+ packages in main, restricted and universe repos by its paid programmers. The next best thing is Fedora with a hybrid way in which some Red Hat employees will work on it's 70k+ popular packages but not all of them and the fedora community also contributes, so it's a mix of the two for Fedora. Then OpenSuse also works in the same hybrid model as Fedora. The next best thing is Mint, Pop!_OS which because of their base on Ubuntu rely on the work there done by Ubuntu's developers and community for some of their packages. Everything else (Gentoo, Void, Alpine, Arch, Debian) is all community.
>>109471660No. Ubuntu has approximately 4 000 packages in main. Fedora still winning.
>>109471790I didn't say just main, I said main, restricted and universe. That's what the Canonical team is backing. 70k+ packages.
>>109471858But only if you register for the pro version. Black pattern.
>>109471920>But only if you register for the pro versionwhich is free for up to 5 pcs. This is enough for probably over 95% of users.
>which is free for up to 5 pcs. Not enough for my usecase. But shitty practice anyway, what if I want to put Ubuntu in a school lab and have no money for their subpar product.
>>109471979it's not enough for (you), but it's enough for the rest of us.
>>109471993Ok, be a supporter of a dark pattern, then.
>>109472029>Ok, be a supporter of a dark patternWhat dark pattern? The idea they would sell businesses their programmer's support and not be expected by linux commies to provide it all for free? Is that the "dark pattern" you're talking about?
>works>up to date>stableOnly fi dnf wasn't dogshit
>>109472052Dark pattern is to deny users security updates if they are not registered.
>Only fi dnf wasn't dogshitDnf is the best package manager. Clean, logical semantics and after the rewrite in c++ also extremely fast.
>>109472092They're not denying anybody security updates. As I said if you don't register you will get community support. If you subscribe you get full community support + full Canonical support (paid after 5 pcs). Canonical's programmers are salaried employees working on those patches and fixes, it doesn't pay itself. They are more than justified in charging reasonably, leaving probably over 95% of users having full support from them for free.
>>109472116Ok, how come Fedora provides all its security updates for free, no registration, and also faster than Ubuntu?
OP, are you an employee at Red Hat and/or IBM? Be honest.
>>109472158As I wrote earlier, Fedora is backed by Red Hat which has employees who do maintain critical packages (kernel, glibc, systemd, dnf, GNOME/KDE principal components, SELinux, security tools, etc) but Fedora also relies largely on community support (what you're here complaining about)
>>109472231The NSA appreciates all your hard work.
SELinux (which Fedora uses) has been well documented as being developped with a strong implication of the NSA. Glass houses and all that.
>>109472058How is dnf dogshit? I prefer Debian but dnf is objectively good, e.g. it supports RPM transaction management whereas dpkg does not have proper transactions for APT to manage.
>>109469189That time started in 2018.
>>109472725NSA contributes to a lot of things. SElinux is open source though and anyone can look at the code, so I don't have a problem with it.
>>109472189No, I am not. I am fairly technical, though.
>>109472725NSA, national security agency, contributes to open source security software? What a shocker.
Yep, Fedora won by a mile again.
>>109465895shan't be doing anything of the sort
>>109476869Not a technical argument. Fedora still winning.
I'm using Fedora and I'm building a new PC this month and I will be installing Fedora on it.
>>109477137Good for you, anon. You made the right choice.
>FAGdoralol no. just no.
>>109477186Not a technical argument. You are dismissed. Fedora still winning.
>>109477238Fagdora only wins in the trans and LBGT communities. Straight white men use Void or Artix
the zoomer at work whos been building a new pc installed it after i recommended it. i warned him about codecs and he just said "i dont watch anyything downloaded" so good for him i guess. he seems to like kde so far which is nice. he called me a bitch for using mint.
>>109477257Not a technical argument. Fedora still winning. Next npc.
>i warned him about codecsThe full suite of codecs is easily obtainable.
>>109477313yeah, but its annoying if its your first linux experience
>>109477238>Not a technical argumentYou didn't ask for technical arguments. You asked for a fight. Sorry that you can't construct an OP to capture your actual intent. Better luck next time.
>>109477330You have a point. But Fedora cannot do nothing about it. Legal reasons.
>>109477332It is /g/ technology, right? I expect the fights here to be fought with technical arguments.
>>109477365Fedora is currently in a period of relative stability. If you look back at its long history of introducing new technologies, you will see many instances of its users suffering as said technologies stabilize. Debian users are largely sheltered from this.
>>109477381It is not a period that will come and go, software nowadays moves fast and becomes obsolete even faster. Fedora is well equipped for this reality, Debian isn't.
>>109477406Fedora's history proves otherwise.
>>109469720I just like lizards
>>109477429With AI entering software engineering, only Fedora being fast and adaptable enough stands a chance of surviving. I am pretty sure that most of/g/ see the writing on the wall, if they are honest with themselves. As for debian, debian is unfortunately history...
>>109477476>With AI entering software engineering, only Fedora being fast and adaptable enough stands a chance of survivingAnd your evidence for this is?>I am pretty sure that most of/g/ see the writing on the wallI am pretty sure a huge chunk of /g/ loves Arch and Debian.>debian is unfortunately historyIn just two more weeks, right anon?
>>109477495I said, if they are honest with themselves...
>>109477545Okay, so no evidence then?
>>109477555Don't look up, anon. I promise, nothing is happening...
>>109477603Bro folded at the slightest pressure
>>109477621Bro doesn't have the time to write a thousand page book, summarizing the weekly advances of AI in software engineering.
>>109477621you're replying to bots
>>109477665That's fine, a sentence or two will do. I'll wait.
>>109477677https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtificialInteligence/Knock yourself out. Debian doesn't stand a chance in the raging storm.
>>109477729>the facts are like, out there, man/thread
>>109477736Well, this pretty well illustrates the speed with which software moves in the last months, debian is dead in the water if a sane person extrapolates. As for the current technical advantages of Fedora over debian, don't look at this thread and the thread before that.
>As for the current technical advantages of Fedora over debian, don't look at this thread and the thread before that.Hint, Fedora absolutely kicks grandpa's ass.
>>109466316I am an old man, I have no patience for ricing, just want good defaults.
>>109477894You are welcome to Fedora, grandpa. We may sometimes joke around but actually have only respect for the elders.
Fedora won by a mile for an upteenth time. It's getting a bit boring. Case closed.
/g/ is fucked. A few faggots ruining the board>One schizo apple shill that escaped cell phone general gaslighting GrapheneOS in hundreds of threads >One schizo techlet newfag samefagging Fedora posts in multiple threads There are a couple of others too
>>109478167Butthurt much, stale cheese?
>>109478167Better than the Mint tards
>>109477894Same, an out of the box distro with sane defaults and a large enough team of contributors for decent quality control that doesn't get in your way if you want to make more advanced changes to your system is the best.I also like the Fedora update style where it's point release but also updates are frequent enough, especially with more important packages. It's a good middle ground where everything is pretty well tested but still new enough to not feel outdated.
>>109478167The whole internet is fucked after over a billion indians got on it. Also some SEA countries like flipland contribute a lot to shittery. The 4chan hack revealed that almost all of the bottom of the barrel bait/tribal/schizo posters are brown people. It's amazing really, I figured it was contributing some but didn't realize the quality of any platform would literally improve tenfold if you just rangebanned certain places.
>>109478296Yep, Debian is highly regarded in India.
>>109478378Yep, Fedora is celebrated all over the world.
>>109478399Lol
Well, bros, it was a fun three days experience in /g/. Have fun and keep supporting your favorite open source softwares. Fedora for life, lol
>>109466317USE="-systemd"
