So what are the main reasons why Hobbit-like housing isn't more popular? I assume that because of the moisture industrial grade insulation materials need to get used but beyond that?
Why do hobbits prefer adirondack chairs?Are they from New York?
>>109478078People like windows. Yes, these houses have windows, but the options are more limited. Hobbits loved to stay outside anyway, so it was not a problem for them.
>>109478078humidity, mold
>>109478078It's insanely ridiculously more costly upfront and requires extremely costly long term upkeep.>bb-b-but it looks niceIf you're a hobbit maybe.
>>109478503>extremely costly long term upkeep.Even if you use industry grade materials?
>>109478814"industry grade materials"
>>109478814The problem is the water / dirt / plants not what materials you use to build underneath them.
>>109478078Thinking about it myself it's mostly the need for constant dehumidifying and flooding risk.Windows are surely not an issue as you can have them, either hobbit style or even on the roof.
>>109478078buy 3 shipping containers, weld them togethercut entrances in sides to make hallwaysmake middle one the entranceput cool rocks in frontBury the entire thing in rocks and dirtplant lots of fernsstart talking like Gollum
>>109478814The problem with these things is the water leaking into the concrete and the very own concrete becoming extremely old and dated over time.Right now you can just go to any old house built on an slope that has a brick and mortar wall to keep off the slope terrain, and in the vast majority of cases the wall will have extreme water leakage issues and is probably either about to fall off or is extremely cracked up, even with industry grade materials.
>>109478271No, that's just where they vacation, they live in New Jersey.
>>109478078The only way this would work is if the dwelling is dug into solid rock. If it's in soft forest soil, you're just going have more maintenance problems.
>>109478078I lived in a house like that and it was a pain to maintain.
>>109482184How come rabbits and other animals can live in dirt tunnels without problem, but humans can't?Skill issue?
>>109482477They're smaller and were evolved to live in dirt tunnels.
I used to live in a dimly lit piece of shit apartment and it's actually really depressing and gets on your nerves quickly. Not like pic related but similar. Turns out people like windows and sunlight and need it to live
>>109478078>So what are the main reasons why Hobbit-like housing isn't more popular? Without skilled builders you'll just have extreme levels of moisture plus more insulation issues.Even in Switzerland where some of the practical houses like this stand (not least because of the underground shelter and tunnel construction experience) it's still typically easiest to construct by removing the soil and then re-adding it, probably doesn't even cost much less than adding another floor.You pay for the architectural statement.
>>109482510it's not that extremely depressing just expensive
>>109478078Look into monolithic domes. They work pretty well for earth-bermed and underground housing. But the real issue they're not as popular is because:1. Higher upfront cost2. Domes require more intelligent interior design due to rounded edges (although this is not true for rectilinear structures, but those are not as strong and good at bearing loads as domes are, so I am not considering them as candidates for underground housing)3. Ostracization. Being seen as the "weirdo" who lives in a home that's different from what most people have is not something the average person can either handle let alone wants. Most people prefer what is convenient and "normal" over what is functional and differentI want a monolithic dome myself, since I think they're so functional, so I am obviously biasedAlso absolutely do NOT do what >>109481768 says. I get that they're meming, but shipping containers do not have the structural strength needed to handle being buried underground and remain safe. You WILL get buried alive if you do thisIf you're intrigued by underground housing, you can also look up Coober Pedy. It's a town in rural Australia famous for having much of its structure underground due to how hot it gets in the area
watch this rare and actually interesting /g/ thread get janny'd for being off-topic while doomposting and ragebait get to make it to archive
>In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort.
>>109478078dampcarbon dioxide suffocation
>Muh maintenance If you use high grade waterproof membranes on the exterior and install French drains to divert the ground water what can go wrong?>Muh lightYou can have a sun fountain thah drains the light through a crystalized top mirror
>>109478078they are traditional in some parts of Chinagoogle yaodong
>>109482507humans are conquered the world, yet some dirt stop us?
>>109483185It's practicality, not the dirt itself specifically. Rabbits and other animals can create tunnels that are easy to maintain. Humans creating tunnels require a lot more materials and maintenance, and living in tunnels won't be comfortable.
>>109483345Why would human tunnels need more material and maintenance than a rabbit tunnel?Seems retarded.
>>109482510It's comfy, bright sunlight pisses me off if anything. I live in perpetual blackout (PC monitors aside), and would only have it any other way if it was always overcast at most. Alas, here it isn't.
>>109478078Your image looks like weird eye from the thumbnail
>>109478078Ground is constantly shifting and moving energy into structuresYou cannot collect rain water from roofingHumidity + moldYou have constant pressure of water infiltration to your entire structureAny floors you have will have shifted dramatically in 20~ yearsFreeze/thaw cycles will destroy everythingRoots can damage your structureRoof is subject to catastrophic collapse without signs or warning due to excess weight
>>109478078It's too expensive. It's cheaper to build out of toothpicks and styrofoam
>>109481831Literally just build it like any other cistern. You put a liner in between two layers of inflation molded concrete. The problem is building codes and cost, same as every alternative housing. We build cheaply and build shitty, but it's to code.
>>109483022Absolut Kino.
>>109483022I googled your dong instead. Sorry not sorry.
>>109482611>shipping containers do not have the structural strength needed to handle being buried underground and remain safe.wut
>>109484805If you were held to account for every post you've ever made, you'd be designated as a retard who shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion until further education.
>>109478078Scandinavians literally already did this, most of them are still there.
>>109484861>3 feet of dirt crushes shipping container, entire family of hobbits lost
We have hobbit like rooms called "cellars"People typically put food in there to be cool and moist, but they dont want to live there unless the mongols are coming to rape the village.
>>109478078Build up not down.
>>109485234I feel there's a thaumcraft dark node inside.
Switzerland has some modern hobbit holmes.
>>109486092Its probably cheating if you build a house on top of the ground, then cover said house with 5cm thick astroturf
>>109478078>barely any way to let in natural lightsuch a mystery
>>109478078>Hobbit-like housingI don't what thatI just want to see more round doors..no one is making/using them for some reason
It sucks having earth keeping moisture and plants growing into your roof, destroying it.You can make one but it should have a proper roof, to make sure the water runs off and plants can't grow.>why are they not more popularIt is, it's just that we put houses on top of our roofed hobbit houses and moved the roofs up. A basement is just optimal.
>>109478078What's the difference between a Hobbit hole and a bunker? A lot of people have bunkers.
>>109484411>The problem is building codes and costExactly. And the building codes can depending on where you want to build drive up the costs so much further than the usual building materials / construction needs already do.It isn't technically impossible, it's just almost no one has the money for this shit and is willing to spend it.
>>109488573>usualunusual for fucks sake
>>109478483yeah thisand all the bugs and water seeping through the soil up top
>>109485234those are cellars though not for living
>>109478078closer to the ground, more constrained.though, i rather live in tents, like a nomad or in a cart like the travelers/gypsies of europe.
>>109482477dirt remains more compact when rabbits/tunnelers dig holes, when humans dig holes, the physics does not carry over to the size, so collapse is more likely to happen.to build a hobbit house, that wont fall on you, you'd need to build it out of stone, covered with dirt, then in the inside line it with wood, it'd be too great of a project for a small community.not impossible, just impractical.sticks and animals skins are a lot easier to gather, and a teepe/tent is simpler to make, and better for your health.
>>109488694use clay in alternating levels, on top of stone slabs.wood : for the living space (inner core)stone : for the foundation, walls and roofclay :to seal cracksthen alternate, dirt clay dirt clay dirtthen grass : to coverwith that you should be fine, the secret is the stone shell and clay layers, without those two, the wood will rot from the water that will seep in and from the contact with the dirt.
>>109478078What exactly is the benefit?You'd need it lined with stone/concrete/ect so you'd just have a house with an underground look. It's just adding extra problems for no real reason.
>>109486169It's not astroturfed, but the houses were indeed pre build.
>>109478078I've always wanted an earth sheltered house but the costs are astronomical compared to a regular timber frame house on a concrete slab, and there's a ton of shit to go wrong long term
>>109484805Nta but I work with containers every day. They're laid on top of each other with the feet of the container on top on the stacking pins of the one below. The weight is transferred through the corner posts, which are designed to be load bearing. The rest of the roof is just w flat, thin piece of metal that isn't designed to bear any weight at all.
>>109481768>Bury the entire thing in rocks and dirtcongratz the containers just collapsed
>>109485254>>3 feet of dirtcubic, this weighs hundreds of poundsso multiply it with the rest of the dirt and what do you get? potentially a steel wall caving in and falling on you but definitely a wall that is no longer straight.
>>109492009Water pressure is even worse and even moreso after compromising the wall with windows. That video is 100% fake.
>>109492034>That video is 100% fakewe found the smartest guy on 4chan
>>109492034no shit sherlock
>>109492009awesome ai slop video, so happy for modern cutting edge technology enabling browns to pretend they are capable of anything
>>109492009>handsaw with a tape measure in the handle and a sledgehammer head at the tip which he wiggles next to laid out tape measurewut
>>109492106you dont use one of those?
>>109491010stability of temperature, with little variation it's warm in winter and fresh in summer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kkbT3Zu7vs
>>109478078Its because alot of men are still living in the Old Testanment and want a Tower of Babel. Tech wise is skill issues, social shame and too much work.
>>109486092you just know
>>109482611Monolithic domes are interesting but they don't have basements and only one company can build them
>>109478078dig holelay a foundation of prestressed concretebuild forms, install rebar, pour wallsbuy 3 shipping containers, weld them togetherinstall inside concrete bunkercut entrances in sides to make hallwaysmake middle one the entrancebuild forms on top, ensuring load is distributed primarily on four points of shipping containersinstall molten-salt reactor for power supply put cool rocks in frontBury the entire thing in rocks and dirtplant lots of fernsstart talking like Gollum
Technically it should be about 5 stories underground, repeating the process for each story of the hobbit house and each set of shipping containers connected by steel I-beams, distributing the load, with at least 3 feet of concrete between each floor. This will allow the hobbits to properly install their salt reactor and run their gas tunable enrichment process on the lowest level, thus ensuring a higher probability of survival in the event of a direct attack from orcs.The entire operation will give the hobbits a nuclear deterrent thus opening up negotiations with Sauron and the other major powers of middle earth.
>>109493451die of c02 poisioningwalls of shipping containers collapse inwards burying you
>>109493618>The entire operation will give the hobbits a nuclear deterrent thus opening up negotiations with Sauron and the other major powers of middle earth.hobbits sanctioned, ale and sausage shortages, nazguls and eagles start joint operation to bomb the shire and hit the mushroom farms, asylum rejected in bree, no second breakfasts.
>>109493633The reinforced cast concrete walls would protect from wall collapse. The salt reactor would supply enough power to operate grow lamps for growing whatever herb Gandalf likes to smoke, not including the fact that the entire hobbit house would have a state of the art a.i. driven hvac system monitoring c02 levels as well as live tracking of all occupants. We would also have Tom Bombadil on speed dial for any unforeseen threats.>>109493664Messing with Gandalf's grow operation would be unwise.
