/iemg/ Dogma Check
Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:

>Crinacle is not your priest.
Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.

>Harman and JM-1 ≠ perfect.
It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.

>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.
Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.

>Graphs are not sound.
They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.

>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.
Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.

>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.
If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.

>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.
Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.

>Loud posts =/= smart takes.
Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.


This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.

Doesn't know how panning works btw >>109486259

>>109486251
pretty picture, are pictures stolen from reddit or forums or op is good with camera?

>>109486326
Stolen form xitter.

i like my moondrop chu ii dsp’s

>>109485240
Sound quality is a skill issue.

>>109486294
we all know you don't. you made it very apparent

>>109486384
>we
You and chatgpt? That's false, even chatgpt knows how panning works.

>>109486427
moaning about how you know nothing about how an audio mix is made won't magically make you learn how it works.
I really wonder what your next grift will be since you're totally stuck on this one.

>>109486451
Saying you know how mixing works when you don't even know how panning works simply means you don't know how mixing works. Off all the times to not use an LLM you always choose the one that makes you look the most retarded. Make no mistake. Every human, forum, book and video in the world disagrees with you on this issue.

>>109486468
>Saying you know how mixing works when you don't even know how panning works simply means you don't know how mixing works.
I know how it works. You don't which is why you spew all this cope- to cover the reality that you either can't wrap your head around it, or simply do not want to accept it. It's pure delusion and you're in denial.
>Every human, forum, book and video in the world disagrees with you on this issue.
goes back to my point. you are in absolute denial and you have to get the fuck over it at some point. you are the sole person in the world with this much arrogance and ignorance about it, which leads me to believe you are simply trolling. there's no other explanation if you truly are choosing this route of dismissal of reality.

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>>109486563
>I know how it works
Imagine thinking you "know" how it works when all you've ever known are knobs and buttons. There's nothing to wrap your head and around it - it's just changing the volume in the channels. Every source will tell you exactly that. Not the knobs.

is there anything better than apple in terms of earbuds? they sound pretty good.

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>>109486563
Just wo we're clear even LLMs disagree with you. Nothing at all about knobs and balls. It's not a different perspective or some bullshit like that, it's completely unrelated to reality.

>>109486576
>it's just changing the volume in the channels
no. it's spatially arranging sounds in the stereo mix. you seem to think that the sounds are in mono and their placement is just lowering their volume in whatever channel they're in.
your seem to reduce what you don't understand down to too simple, yet flawed way of looking at the whole picture.
>Every source will tell you exactly that.
literally nobody in the world, living or dead, in the history of audio, in no book or curriculum agrees with you. not chance in hell that you are remotely right in the slightest.
you are a total troll and are only successful at oppressing any notion you don't understand yourself.
you choose not to learn and dismissing an absolutely understood and intensely practiced science really, is not helping you.
the more you do this, the crazier you look.

>>109486609
Actual fanfiction. Panning changes the volume. Nothing more.

>>109486609
>literally nobody in the world, living or dead, in the history of audio, in no book or curriculum agrees with you.
Well looks like AI and its sources agree with me >>109486608
Whoops!

>>109486614
dogma. panning moves sounds in the stereo mix. simple as.
read a book. watch some videos.
you are truly in a small box of thinking and you're scared shitless because it shatters your already narrow worldview.
you'll have to reconcile all this because you absolutely have zero understanding currently because you choose to be in denial. it's your superpower.
I accept your concession since you can't seem to let up being this obsessed with audio-nihilism.
You will learn, one day. Toodle-fucking-oo

>>109486619
>AI
hypocrite. you'll use AI to your advantage but will chastise anyone else for the mere suspicion of having used it.
you. are. warped.

looks like foxzo doesn't understand a goddamn thing about how audio is made.
/iemg/ lore needs to grow beyond this dogmatic shit at some point.

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>>109486628
>panning moves sounds in the stereo mix.
It moves them by changing the volume. That's what every book and video says.
>>109486630
Every single source says it. I'm just using your favorite source because it hurts you the most.

>>109486643
your premise is that stereo isn't real and every sound in a multi-channel mix is just lowered volume in either channel.
pure delusion. you have no sources, just hallucinating AI.
looks like the shoe is on the other foot

>>109486643
you think all sounds are in mono in a stereo mix. you're only fucking yourself on this topic.

>>109486654
>>109486660
Actual illiterate nigga. Panning in multiple channels works exactly the same, through volume. You can't even read what's in front of you, of course what you imagine I think is pure bullshit.

>>109486670
>>109486639

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>>109486674
Projection. Read any book, any article, watch any video. I'm showing it to you right now, all you have to do is read. You will fail as usual.

>>109486698
dogma and cope. nobody is on your side.
your tree didn't help. nobody will save you. move on, I accept your concession so hard

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>>109486707
Illiterate nigga failed to read for the billionth time. Keep projecting.

>>109486727
keep losing and baiting and coping and lying

>>109486736
Wait, I think I get it. This AI can't read images. Let me quote it directly.
>Pan pots split audio signals into left and right channels via an internal architecture that determines how much of the source signal is sent to the left and right buses. This signal distribution is often called a taper or pan law.
>Simple analog pan controls only change relative level; they don't add reverb to replace direct signal, phase changes, modify the spectrum, or change delay timing.

Living with 60 IQ must be fascinating. What do you mean food doesn't come from the supermarket? What do you mean panning doesn't come from the knob? Even simple things like that cause wonder and amazement.

>>109486754
the practice of audio mixing threatens your existing worldview so bad that you dismiss it entirely, with astronomical arrogance.
regardless, you still consciously chose it,

>>109486776
Audio mixing says panning works by changing the volume. It agrees with me entirely. Keep projecting.

>you use AI, opinion discarded
>I just used AI to bolster my argument
you're huffing air duster, rest assured.

>>109486788
>books are AI
The absolute state of LLMzo.

>>109486794
I accept your concession again. peace out

Notice how the moment I posted in plain text he stopped responding. What a garbage model.

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>>109486800

>>109486609
>it's spatially arranging sounds in the stereo mix.
what does it mean tho??? what makes sound change its spatial arrangement?

>>109486630
>hypocrite
wrong. your issue was not that you were using AI but that you were cowardly hiding it while feeding it leading prompts

>>109486628
>panning moves sounds in the stereo mix
What about sounds that move in real life? What happens to them? Let's say sound moves to the left and further away. Hm?? HMMM?
No knobs irl

>>109486707
Bro you literally CAN NOT explain how panning works. "moving sound in the stereo mix" is not an explanation.
Explain how it works EXACTLY

>>109486776
chatGPT is really fucking you up on this one...

is there some anime IEMs?

>>109487407
Tons of brands with anime on the box. CVJ on the faceplate. EPZ puts anything you want on the faceplate.

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fuck I kinda want this stupid thing...

why is epz so good, bros?

>>109487443
it's cool looks robotic...must cost 300 bux or so

>>109487910
it costs like a gojillion

>>109488004
I looked it up, it costs 1100$...my poir ass could never purchase this

>>109488247
What it's name?

>>109488303
Acoustune HS2000Air

>>109488247
it's also awful earrape lol

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epzsisters?
i cleaned both sides and damn. it's like new again

>>109488545
for reference this one was bought like 2 years ago afaik

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>>109488554

What is a good neutral target curve for music production?

>>109488770
you need to feel the bass - adjust it
you need even mids - adjust it
you need even treble and to kill resonances - adjust it

start with a population average df and go from there, the paradox is that you are not an average, so there's no one-size-fits-all

>>109488770
I would say go to should be flat studio monitors. I think in iems it would be something like hexa, pure or crinear reference

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time to retire IEMs, bois

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I've been experiencing ear and head fatigue with my cans. After lurking this general and watching a few vids, I decided to solve the problem with an IEM.
Ordered the Truther Gates for my first experience and a generic/ODM CX31993+MAX97220 DAC (Yes, I know about the possible "hiss").
If things go smoohly, I've already decided to pickup the Zero:Blue 2 as my second pair of IEM, and will invest into a more solid $30-45 portable DAC.

>>109489188
kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUsWmM-sdlQ

You are buying a pair of AKG EO-IG955 earphones calibrated to the PEQdB Diamond target curve with an IEC 60318-4 coupler, right?

>>109489301
Yes, I am 100% brown, how could you tell.

Noob here, why does golden sound do a sine wave with headpos? what does it do

>>109489188
Blue 2 will probably be a downgrade in every way.
>>109489328
Sine sweep helps you find peaks in the treble. The graph is different from what you're going to hear in that region. Especially useful for headphones since their treble is so bad, but useful for IEMs too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUSudcHbs7U
kek, they are charging 2k for that and still used plastic grill and cups

>>109489346
intredasting... thanks

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>>109489328
It's a noob trap to find peaks (resonances) and dips. But your HRTF may have peaks and dips, noticing this doesn't mean it is outright bad.

>>109489380
if u hear peaks in music u dont know what fq are they. so if u go with sine sweep u can find that peak pretty easly with exact fq number so u can tone it down with EQ.

>>109489391
You can just use a band-pass filter like a normal person instead of torturing yourself.

>>109489301
he better back off or totl brands may have him killed

>>109489417
4 to 5 orders of calibrated AKGs per day is fucking insane.

One of the reasons modern life sucks so much is how inane everything can be. For example, you need a PhD in everything you want to do or try. Such as buying a simple ear plug for listening to music with. You can't buy X because it doesn't have ab or c. And Y is a shit brand... didn't you know that already?

Imagine you spend 6 months reading countless reddit shitposts, forum threads and lurking these threads to learn about which brands are reliable and what the 15 different types of technology features they have so you can finally make a purchase that isn't a complete fucking waste of time. Then you finally take the plunge, you spend $140 on a beautiful set with your favourite colours and anime character on them, and you upload a photo to show people what you bought. Then some faggot posts "absolute shit" at your post that everyone else ignores.

That's what I found to be honest. In the old days you could just go to a shop and buy something and enjoy it. But not any more.

>>109489408
im not torturing myself, im buying only good stuff, if it needs EQ i just return that shit

>>109489380
The lower treble peak on IEMs is a double of your fundamental frequency(open tube vs sealed tube) additionally modified by the insertion depth. so it's pretty much guaranteed to not be accurate. Headphones are all kinds of fucked up, may or may not be accurate. Most likely not because firing drivers from one side can't produce DF response. The overall tonality can't be judged by sweeps, yes. Sweeps are only good for peaks.

>>108988652

Just stop creating these generals. The audio hobby is over. You are now just collecting useless piece of plastic akin to Funko Pops.

>>109489427
it's more about what it represents and the threat of exponential growth. i hope he takes security seriously

>>109489429
Just buy a $20 pos and enjoy music.

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>>109489346
>Blue 2 will probably be a downgrade in every way.
How?
I chose the Gates for their v-shap (harmon). The Zero:Blue 2's are just the Gates with a little more bass/treble and smaller nozzles for comfort. Looking at reviews/graphs, I likely won't be using the 5ohm resistor.

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Are expensive tips meme?
I see many crazy designs like with copper or steel core and stuff like that, what your go too? I bought pack of coffee and kbear ear tips long time ago but mainly I'm using stock tips that comes with iems.
And another question, sometimes it feels like iem nozzle is at different angle than angle of my ear canal, so fit is bad due to that. Is there some kind of ear tips but with some sort of pivot that can be used as connection between that two different angles? Everything I tried is to rigid for that, it need to be some sort of pivot.

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>>109489429
Just buy better IEMs.

>>109489522
The more people buy, the more people trust him, the more people buy.
I can see it.
Talks of people trying to compete with him by selling calibrated AKGs, but you can only trust the Audio God with such a task.
I can see some audio company borrowing Sharur's research and creating their own audio equipment based on it, that would be funny to see. It might reach that point.

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>>109489561
The nozzles aren't smaller the last time I checked, and the they're much bigger overall. V shape on IEMs is not the same as on headphones, you'll have to check whether you still like it.

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>>109489621
Gotcha.
Seems the Blue2 are smaller than the Blue/Red but not the Gate. That's my mistake.
I still like the idea of the Blue2 having 2 drivers per ear, with one driver being dedicated to the bass.
Thanks, Anon.

>>109489567
are those customed IEM?

>>109489562
Expensive ones are probably a meme yes, but tips can impact your experience with iems a lot. For me insertion depth, comfort, seal makes a huge difference. E.g. I can't use spinfit w1s because something about the material doesn't make a good seal for me, so I don't get a lot of slam. My go to is Final Audio Type E.

>Is there some kind of ear tips but with some sort of pivot that can be used as connection between that two different angles?
Not sure, but double flange tips could help, or tips with softer material like the Final Audio. Dunu S&S has grip, but grippy tips are not as comfortable for longer sessions.

>>109489010
You could have much more orange if you had wires >>109486251

>>109489519
Autoeq user has an opinion, sit down and listen.

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>>109489774
I meant something like right picture, so eartip that can be bend slightly do it go straight into ear canal (proportions are off so angle isn't that extreme) Some of iems feet like a glove and some of them just won't work for me and I think it's just my ear canal a iem nozzle isn't exactly in parallel to each other. I have dunu sns but it's not that, I really must have some sort of bending mechanism inside because if I bend normal eartip tube inside just get squished

>>109490301
Are you sure you are putting in iems correctly? You could angle your iems with smaller shells. Sometimes ear hooks can be too rigid preventing a good fit, put your iems in without hooking over your ears first see if it helps. Or maybe get a triple flange and shove it in there.

>>109490301
spinfit. neo is their newest all-rounder. w1 is for longer nozzles.
the burden is on you to estimate your correct size.
good cheap alternatives: audiosense s400

also kiwi ears flex

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>>109490464
oh yes for sure, i have that issue only with certain iems, usually with big metal shells, keep in mind that angles in drawing are too big, I just need longer eartip that can pivot around slightly. Almost every eartip on longer side i have its too rigid to do that or like dunu s&s too soft so instead of pivoting it gets crushed on side of my earcanal

my left ear is slowly going deaf
feels bad man

>>109487013
by panning. if you want me to teach you, then immediately dismiss and ridicule the concept, why are you even bothering.
you're so close...to learning ya know.
>>109487026
I never needed a clanker to explain a simple concept. I knew this long before I even knew what IEMS were. if you weren't such a cynic/lunatic, this would have been settled already.
>>109487037
left to right irl? if you're recording something that moves left to right, then you'll need more than one microphone to capture that. you are convinced that somehow...a stereo mix is a mono mix in disguise or something. that's true cynicism or just lack of understanding.
>>109487049
I did. many times. you just can't seem to get it.
you simply choose not to and you go on and on and on coping in all sorts of mental gymnastical ways to make it make sense to you, when you're not dismissing it entirely.
actual cope. and learning disorder.
>>109487055
never needed it, like I keep telling you.

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>>109489429
seems like a you problem. just sounds like you're more after the validation and rationalization that "i did something right" than the actual enjoyment of the gear or hobby.
it's ok bro, just because your parents kept calling you a failure doesnt mean you are. just like how just because some anon says your pos is shit doesnt mean it is. you're only a failure because you think you are.

>>109488770
>What is a good neutral target curve for music production?
there are no targets for music production. that's not how it works.
how it works is you have decent monitors that are either neutral, or that you are very familiar with.
you use them as a reference against other speakers to check if your mix is consistent.

>>109490786
>never needed it, like I keep telling you.
A literal lie, you're called LLMzo because you were caught using AI to analyze a graph. Still can't figure out how panning works btw.

>>109490863
you're talking in circles and flooding the thread with your bullshit that nobody is on your side about.
give up because it's grueling. learn, then get back to me.
other than that, shut the fuck up

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>>109490874

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>>109490786
>stereo recording? it's when two microphones.
>how panning works? you turn the knob, i told you

>>109490884
it's sick. you think I'm using a clanker and trying to ridicule about it, and you're still disagreeing with every single talking point from me.
on the other hand, you're using a clanker, shamelessly, and it seems to align with you completely.

you need help.

>>109490906
what is a channel in a mixer?

>>109490909
>if I ignore non-clanker sources maybe they'll go away

>>109490927
you're in denial and adding nothing new to the topic. constant cope. constant embarrassment.
you're turning into a stereotype

>>109490937
Denial of what? All the sources are on my side. You're yet to say anything.

>>109490947
learn, then get back to me when you're ready to discuss.

it's peculiar, how inquisitive you've been on top of it all. it's just strange that you put ridicule on top of it to cover the fact that you are willing to learn. you have a bigger problem with other anons knowing something you don't than actually learning something new from them.
like I said, you need help.

>>109490960
Again, learn what? All the sources are on my side. You are yet to say anything.

>>109490974
and you're in constant denial.

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wdyt of my set up?

>>109490982
>>109490947

>>109490920
In traditional mixing it's what comes from 1 microphone or goes to 1 speaker. In mid/side mixing it's more abstract.

>>109490985
If it's rockboxed and you can't hear any hiss it's all good.

>>109491048
it is rockboxed

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>>109490617
Nice drawing. Unfortunately I'm out of recs, the only thing I suggest is trying tips with longer stem, then place at the end of the nozzle, maybe it'll let you bend it when you insert. Perhaps you just discovered a new market segment for tips that you are describing, create a business to manufacture tips that pivot at the stem.

>>109490786
>left to right irl? if you're recording something that moves left to right, then you'll need more than one microphone to capture that. you are convinced that somehow...a stereo mix is a mono mix in disguise or something. that's true cynicism or just lack of understanding.
so you don't know. why can't you just admit that you don't know?
>inb4 I know/I already told you
no you don't and no you didn't, I accept your concession in advance since I know you will deflect again.

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>you are convinced that somehow...a stereo mix is a mono mix in disguise or something
Sigh, fine, I'll be the first person ever to show him. Don't spend it all in one place.

>>109490985
nice, anon. enjoy it
>>109491088
you don't know? just admit it blah blah
you have nothing to say. you think a mix is in mono, just that the physical stereo channels are turned up or down.
you are wrong.
learn what a mixing board does and get back because constant bullshit from you isn't helping your case.
go on, learn because I accepted your concession as soon as this started. so I win. not you

>>109491145
>deflected instantly
called it

>>109491151
good catch! you win!!! HOORAAAYYYY!!!! want a cookie?

>>109491137
I don't get it. where are the knobs.

>>109491200
they're the ones that direct those questions about "why epz g10 is so good" to somewhere where somebody gives a shit

>>109491070
I think spinfit W1 might work. Price is ridiculously high but I think I can go for medium size

>sub $100 (or $50)
>over 8hr battery
>neutral range
>flat/not in ear
>wireless

What is the best headphones for me? My current ones are a pair of old airpods.

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>take a track
>make a version that's hard-panned to the left
>make another version where I simply amplified the right channel by -150dB
>subtract one version from the other
>the result is nothing
Welp, I guess that settles then. Balls lost.

>>109491273
Grim

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>>109487845
>>109491216
Orange techs.
>>109489752
Yes.

>>109491393
>yes
you got them on ezp?

>>109491473
Aliexpress, official epz store, ask the seller.

>>109491530
ok thks

>>109491273
>>109491292
misusing software to show just how insane you are. how's that workin out for ya?

>>109491729
Fantastic. Driven you to the "it's fake" cope for the second time. Wanna pick another topic you have absolutely no idea about?

>>109486251
I'm looking for iem that sounds similar to my hd 650. So I can carry them to work. Budget is under 300

>>109491805
Truthear pure. Tuned by a guy that thinks hd650 sounds good.

>>109491786
you're already exhausting yourself an ready to move on? bet.

>>109492180
When you're ready to have another melty hit me up.

>chuzo
>foxzo
>totlzo
>deafzo
>LLMzo
>PRzo
>Panzo
95 percent of this general are schizo's

>>109491805
Unfortunately no iem is tuned to HD650 because iems have bass

>>109492963
just break the seal

>>109492825
All me btw.

>>109492963
*Fortunately

>>109491253
Airpods are probably the best option in that form factor. Maybe moondrop block. Check scarbir for other options.

>>109489562
Spinfit markets their tips like that, but nothing beats an IEM that actually has a proper nozzle angle out of the box.

right.
i got the starbit.
it was interesting and cheap enough to warrant a purchase.

>>109489380
headphones.com dudes said that headphone EQd to your HRTF sounds mostly flat. So no peaks. They said to not really touch dips tho.
also most IEMs will have length modes you'll need to EQ out.

>>109489705
>I still like the idea of the Blue2 having 2 drivers per ear, with one driver being dedicated to the bass.
meaningless. If you want more bass you can just EQ your gates. I'd try a bunch of EQs first and go for something a bit more DF tuned like daybreaks or whatever... There's a lot of caveats with harman ie 2019 tunings for random chinese IEMs.

>>109493887 (ME)
>sounds mostly flat
I mean sine sweep should sound mostly flat (would be nice btw if retards ELABORATED but they didn't)

>>109490786
hello sir
>by panning
is not an answer to the
>what makes sound change its spatial arrangement?
question
do you copy?
>then immediately dismiss and ridicule the concept
you are missing the point. What I'm asking for is PRINCIPLE. Do you understand what that means?
>a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.
So what is it? It's not a knob. It's not panning because question is what's behind panning. It's not change in spatial arrangement because it's =panning.
So can you answer the question or not?

>>109494040
you're not really asking, you're looking to argue.
just give us what you think the definition is, agree to disagree, leave it at that and shut the fuck up.
I accept your concession.

>>109491273
you can't do that...
>>109491729
what was misused exactly and how?

>>109494183
I'm quite literally asking. Why are you not answering tho?
>just give us what you think the definition is
of what
I'm not asking for definitions tho?

>>109494194
>I'm quite literally asking.
you're quite literally looking to argue. I accept your concession again.

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>>109493887
that's a lie. listener has a big dip at 8k, and he always boosts that dip when showing his EQ or showing his "target", then it looks like a huge resonance when you look at it uncompensated

>>109494206
...the fuck do you mean "a lie"? That's literally what they said. Maybe more precisely they were talking about it not being well understood. Either way I didn't say to never touch dips.
Point is idea that peaks on swipe can be byproduct of HRTF is not really supported and there should be no real peaks. It also probably depends but that's the information we have so far.

What the fuck does panning have to do with anything

>>109494422
it's foxbum's latest grift/point of contention/troll ammo/another practice to bastardize the understanding of so nobody else can threaten her own audio stances.

Notice how he didn't answer the question? Guess who brought up panning in the first place...

>>109494502
>notice me /iemg/
>I'm the resident contrarian/troll
shut the fuck up.

>>109494597
Trying to deflect explaining how panning works for weeks is trolling

>>109494603
every time you're given a piece of information that remotely threatens your existing view, you find a way to reduce it down to elementary level of misuse and understanding to tailor-fit your already decided view. you bastardize every piece of information given and when you're not sperging out hurling insults (which is indicative of either pure trolling or actual mental illness) or continuing to have a real conversation (which you prove time and again you are not capable of). you've pre-decided your warped nature. you pre-decided to ignore what a mixing board is, does, and how it shapes and forms every bit of audio going into your ears.

you're trolling at this point.

you. are. whack.

>>109494609
>every time you're given a piece of information that remotely threatens your existing view
Are you projecting? First of all you gave like zero information so far. Second of all nothing you've ever said can point to techs being separate from FR. There never was any threat.
>you find a way to reduce it down to elementary level of misuse and understanding to tailor-fit your already decided view
Proper position supported by facts can not be misconstrued like that by "elementary level of misuse". It only proves that you don't have one.
What are you even doing right now? Simply crying that you were owned by facts and logic? How is this not trolling?
By the way nobody even cares if FR=techs or not except retarded tech freaks like yourself. If there's evidence that something outside of FR exists that influence "techs" just provide evidence - it is literally that easy. If it's real it's real process moves on.
Nobody has any stake in this... FR=techs is simply a conclusion that is supported by all research and information we have.

>>109494987
incorrect and bad argument based on 0 facts. you can't handle continuously being told how wrong you are so you cope by trolling and lying.
I accept your concession.

>>109495223
you literally proved yourself that FR=techs tho lol
why are you denying it now

>>109495351
you're lying again. just stop trolling, dude. you're shitting up the thread with lunacy

>>109495447
60 IQ strikes again, we've been through this >>109473367
Now do the "I can't understand the question" thing >>109474075

>>109494609
>every time you're given a piece of information
Never happened btw. You deflect, lie and project every single time. Proof: you won't give any information in your reply.

>>109496247
>>109496288
this is just more cope from you. you could've said all that in a single post but you choose not to give up because you are obsessed at this point.
the proof is all the previous times you got your ass handed to you already. you act like we have to have a full blown rundown over and over
and over again because it's never a conversation with you. all you want is the full blown argument which never lets up because-

you're trolling.
did I say thank you for the concession already?

Are you deaf yet?

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a mixer buck broke foxzo and now she's relentlessly obsessed with me.
buy EA500LM, Hydro and PRX while you can and avoid EPZ at all costs.

>>109496408
chatGPT wrote that
you can't convince me a human with a functioning brain would write shit like this
>the proof is all the previous times you got your ass handed to you already. you act like we have to have a full blown rundown over and over
and over again because it's never a conversation with you. all you want is the full blown argument which never lets up because- you're trolling.
only AI will be making retarded distinctions like "full blown argument" when there isn't any. Also "full blown argument" is not even a bad thing lol
>>109496423
bro you don't even know what mixer does past KNOBS
how is this post not considered trolling lmao? you are so full of shit.

>>109496423
Hmm a mixer... let's see
https://www.audiotechnology.com/PDF/82/AT82_Panning_Tutorial.pdf
>In this two-part exploration of stereo panning techniques, Andy Stewart resuscitates the mixing tutorial concept last spotted in Issue 69, and explores how panning helps recreate three-dimensional space.
Andy Stewart? Who's that?
>Andy Stewart is a renowned Australian producer, mixing engineer, and owner of The Mill Studio.
Sooo let's see what this renowned mixing engineer tells us...
>Fundamentally, stereo panning is about placing a sound in a context, and that context is, in this case, our two speakers. What’s really happening to an audio signal when it’s panned is that more, equal amounts, or less of its voltage is being sent to the left or right speaker, creating the illusion that sound is coming from the far left, the far right, the middle, and so on. A guitar, for example, panned left-of-center in a stereo image is simply coming out of the left speaker at a greater volume than the right; pan it center and it’s coming from both speakers equally.
W-what was THAT??? come again?
>A guitar, for example, panned left-of-center in a stereo image is simply coming out of the left speaker at a greater volume than the right
>coming out of the left speaker at a greater volume than the right
>greater volume than the right
IMPOSSIBLE

>>109496442
>chatGPT wrote that
more bullshit lies and propaganda.
noones reading all that
>>109496489
noones reading all that. you lost

>>109496408
>instant deflection
Called it.

>>109496532
you got nothing. you been demolished on this topic since the beginning. it's over

>>109496526
>>109496540
>I can't read
60 IQ

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They better show a new pos

Guess it wasn't foxzo who got broken by a mixer...
let's see it again...
>Fundamentally, stereo panning is about placing a sound in a context, and that context is, in this case, our two speakers. What’s really happening to an audio signal when it’s panned is that more, equal amounts, or less of its voltage is being sent to the left or right speaker, creating the illusion that sound is coming from the far left, the far right, the middle, and so on. A guitar, for example, panned left-of-center in a stereo image is simply coming out of the left speaker at a greater volume than the right; pan it center and it’s coming from both speakers equally.
That is how panning works. Just like what people have been telling you from the start. I'm sorry that your 60 IQ ass can not comprehend simple written explanation when balls are not involved.

>>109496408
>the proof is all the previous times you got your ass handed to you already.
Never happened btw. Now you will prove it by not saying when it ever happened in your reply.

>>109496553
>>109496556
cope more. noones reading that fanfiction

>>109496551
Something extraordinary will be an IEM with a dynamic tuning lol Anything outside of that is pretty ordinary dogshit.
I've been getting a lot of twitter posts about IEMs lately and I just can't get rid of the feeling that all of this is one big scam... audio marvels my ass

>>109496565
How it started
>go read about mixing
How it's going
>NOO I WON'T READ ABOUT MIXING
Total humiliation.

>>109496565
>Audio Technology (audiotechnology.com) is a long-running Australian professional magazine for sound engineers, producers, and recording musicians. It covers product reviews, studio features, live sound, tutorials, industry news, and interviews. It has been published for decades (originally by Alchemedia Publishing) and is regarded as one of Australia’s leading titles in the pro-audio space
>Andy Stewart is a well-established Australian recording, mixing, and mastering engineer/producer with more than 30 years of experience. He owns and operates The Mill studio (a recording/mixing/mastering facility in Victoria’s Bass Coast region). Credits include work with Gotye (including the Grammy-winning Making Mirrors), Paul Kelly, The Whitlams, CW Stoneking, Brighter Later, and many others. He served as editor of Audio Technology for about 10 years and has continued contributing articles and columns. He has also spoken at Audio Engineering Society (AES) Melbourne section meetings on recording techniques.
Fanfiction btw. That's the level of argument we are dealing with here...

>>109496575
>>109496595
no matter what, you cannot reconcile your confusion. it's been over. I accept your concession for like the 20th time just this thread now.

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>>109496551
They haven't even shown the old pos yet.

>>109496641
>us
>we
you are so whack if you keep succumbing to larping as multiple anons. jesus

>>109496649
Everyone is laughing at you bro. Sad but true.

>>109496609
Poor creature... Accepting concessions doesn't work when you've been losing so obviously so hard and this much.
Now you are dismissing a fucking TUTORIAL written by a fucking renown audio mixing engineer with 30+ years of experience. The fuck happened to all your big talk about spatial arranging and stereo and mono mixes? Look how combinative you were.
>no. it's spatially arranging sounds in the stereo mix. you seem to think that the sounds are in mono and their placement is just lowering their volume in whatever channel they're in. your seem to reduce what you don't understand down to too simple, yet flawed way of looking at the whole picture.
where did it all go?

>>109496622
fucking truthear...
From what listener said about them they have no clue

>>109496662
Well at least now we know why he doesn't understand why EQ can affect things like imaging. He doesn't even know stereo audio is made out of 2 channels.

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>>109496649
you lost. get over it

>>109496565
Thanks for the proof it never happened btw.

>>109496701
you can't mix audio with EQ. read a book.

>>109496749
Your own video about balls says you can. Read anything whatsoever. Better than whatever you have in mind right now.

>>109496749
>Fundamentally, stereo panning is about placing a sound in a context, and that context is, in this case, our two speakers. What’s really happening to an audio signal when it’s panned is that more, equal amounts, or less of its voltage is being sent to the left or right speaker, creating the illusion that sound is coming from the far left, the far right, the middle, and so on. A guitar, for example, panned left-of-center in a stereo image is simply coming out of the left speaker at a greater volume than the right; pan it center and it’s coming from both speakers equally.
>A guitar, for example, panned left-of-center in a stereo image is simply coming out of the left speaker at a greater volume than the right
So why not? What's the difference?

>use this EQ

Channel: L
Filter 1: ON HSC Fc 9000 Hz Gain -10 dB Q 0.7

>the cymbals move to the right
Wow, I guess you can mix with EQ. Another blunder from LLMzo.
>but mastering isn't mixing
>what do you mean you can EQ just one channel
>what even is a channel?
>this is fake!
Saved you the trouble of posting all that, you can go straight to malding now.

music production general exist

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>>109496801
there are no balls anywhere
it is simply incomprehensible

>>109496754
you're conflating mixing with mastering. you're not paying attention.

>>109496801
you're misusing that software. you can't just use a practical example to prove me wrong. you just can't, okay.

>>109496808
sadly music production is not the point but just a deflection from the uncomfortable truth that techs aren’t real - they’re just differences in frequency response.

>>109496823
Maybe stop imagining what I think and address the argument directly? Your cope was pre-debunked btw. You can mix with EQ.

So im looking for Android music player that have some of sort of smart playlist (something like streaming services) that can scan thru ur music library and make playlist based on most played, stuff u didnt listen to, maybe go by music tags and make playlist with certain genre or artists and so on, basically something like tidal or spotify smart playlists but with ur own musc library

>>109496832
you've already challenged every point with ridicule, dismissal, conflation, confusion and lies.

you should learn about mixing audio and what a mixing board does. hope this helps.

>>109496832
>You can mix with EQ.
absolute meme.

>>109496863
I accept your concession >>109496801

>>109496868
Absolute cope >>109496801

>>109496863
>you should learn about mixing audio and what a mixing board does
>called a literal explanation of what a mixing board does >>109496489 fanfiction
You should stop projecting.

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>>109496823
Let's see... wait DOES IT SAY "EQ" in there? what the FUCK??
>>109496868
what? do they send you to jail for using EQ? is it illegal?

>>109496858
Musicolet has playlists like that. Obviously your library should be properly tagged for playlists by genre/artist to work.

>>109496863
>you've already challenged every point
You've never made any point in this discussion. You just keep dismissing quotes from world-class audio engineers. Not making any point and then pretending like you did before only sounds smart when you're 60 IQ. Maybe you're so retarded that you genuinely hallucinated that you made a point before. In that case no, you didn't. Hope this helps.

It's not that you can't mix with EQ... you literally can not mix without EQ.

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>>109493942
I planned to stick with the Gates for some time and tinker with EQ until I find the overall sound that I'm looking for. Honestly, any other IEM additions won't come until I feel that I've reached peak satisfaction (or boredom) with the Gates.
I'll take your recommendation and add the Daybreaks to my list of future IEM purchases.
Thanks, Anon.

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>new shingding CD player with tubes and R2R for close to 600 bucks

Yeah idk about this one. Double the meme technology. I think I'll get the Shanling EC Play which is 150 and is smaller.

>>109497732
way too expensive, id rather bypass whatever amp/dac is in the player anyways and run it to my own, the fiio one is probably the best player you can get still

>>109497732
Meta for me would be separate CD player with data out, separate DAC and separate AMP. Or maybe something like streamer with CD player build in, don't know if there is something like.that on the market

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>>109497839
Well we're talking about portable use plus no fiio isn't best anything. Fiio is literal garbage.
>>109497858
>Or maybe something like streamer with CD player build in
I think there's a few and Shangling literally just launched a new one too. If that's what you're asking for. I just want a decent portable CD player that I can also use at home as a transport. So far the EC Play looks like the best deal, considering fiio is a garbage factory.

>>109497896
>The ET3 EVO can play Hi-Res files from a USB drive, receive music over Bluetooth, connect to a 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz Wi-Fi network for DLNA and AirPlay playback, and serve files from an attached USB drive over the local network

Actually, would this count as a streamer? Probably not. There was one that had streaming functionalities though, but I can't keep up with all these literal memes.

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>>109497896
as for portable i bet lots of that shit was announced on vienna high end or something like that, probably lots of that shit can be bought on aliexpress or hifigo/linsoul

Yeap, even on new arivals hifigo page there is portable cd player from fiio and xduoo (also with tubes kek). As for what is worth ur money there is no other way, u have to w8 few months for reviews and problems start to pop up. Chinks are doing testing on first batch users as always

Ballzo and the guy obsessed with him - you two lost the plot lowk

>>109498519
it's such a dead end on his lover's part because it truly is a troll

What's the meta on open ear bluetooth earphones? What's better between the clip style ones (pearlclip) and the hook style ones (v20i)?
Budget is around 100$ (10kinr). I broke my oneplus buds pro2 and hence need to upgrade quick but there are too many fucking options across all price ranges

>>109498835
we have no idea. no one buys them for the sound quality as they can't do bass, it's all about the comfort and convenience, and you need to figure that out yourself

would (You) rather go to canjam socal or SIAS ?

>>109499004
SIAS easily.

if i daisy chain two 70ohm impedance adapters will i have a 140ohm impedance adapter?

>>109498519
You won't find a retard that doesn't know stereo audio is made from two channels anywhere else. It's a unique opportunity.

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>>109499658
Some EQ filters get deformed near 20kHz. So different EQ apps can produce slightly different results depending on whether they fix this issue or not. Squig, APO, REW and qudelix are made to produce the same result, for everything else you'll have to check.

>>109499557
>anywhere else
4chan is the only place in the world where contention is to be had this hard about not reconciling how panning works.
but alas, foxzo is a total shitposter so, duh.

>>109500429
Why would there be a "reconciliation" about how panning works? It's not an opinion. All the documentation has been posted.

>>109500481
because one person has a huge problem with understanding it.
>All the documentation has been posted.
ok, everything you find, AI answers included, are supposedly the most legit, when everything I posted is bullshit.
yeah fuck you. you're shitposting and a giant waste of time.

>>109500512
1 link to something you posted please, so we can do a quick fact check :)

>>109500528
yeah no we're good.
/iemg/ has seen enough of your nonsense.
your only redeeming qualities were the very few moments you asked genuine questions, but you still find a way to bastardize the given information.
you're done. we're done. concession accepted.

>>109500528
you were taught what mixing was and proceeded to dismiss it entirely. take the L and move on with your life

>>109500548
>>109500552
See, here's the problem. You post nothing, then pretend that you have posted something and it was wrongly dismissed. Only a true 60 IQ thinks this is a viable strategy.

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Whaaa, even the ball video says EQ can do panning? That's crazy.

>>109500578
>>109500671
everything from me is nothing to you, you gave up having a conversation from the beginning, and now you're doubling down thinking you "won".
it's been over.

>>109500686
>0 links again
See?

>>109500729
>0 people agree with you
see?
it's over now. believe what you want.

>>109500753
These
>>109486643
>>109486698
>>109486727
>>109486741
>>109496489
>>109496553
>>109496595
>>109496776
>>109500671
people agree with me. In case your 60 IQ mind thinks it's the people making the posts - no, it's the people that wrote the text on the images. See how easy it is to link posts when you have a point? I presume your reply will have all the links to your point. Which would be zero links.

>>109500838
>people
it's just you, as always.

>>109500921
Got his retarded post predicted verbatim and still pressed submit. Now that's 60 IQ.

>>109500975
so it's settled? you know nothing about audio mixing or what a mixing board does?
concession accepted.

>>109500975
I think the implication is that foxzo wrote the text on the images. It's not just /iemg/ that's been captured. It's the entire internet. Foxzonet, even.

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>>109501090
an example of her forgery attempt.

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>>109500838
>needs people to agree with him

>>109501140
she doesn't have the balls to reply to that post and post proof they're not all (Yous).

>>109501054
We settled that you have no point.
>I presume your reply will have all the links to your point. Which would be zero links.
And it had zero links.
>>109501140
Who are you quoting?

>>109501153
Yeah, I'm Andy Stewart, a renowned Australian producer, mixing engineer, and owner of The Mill Studio, pleased to meet you.

>>109501249
Isn't it obvious?

>>109501274
In that case, I'm Paul Wasabi

>>109501274
And I am Andy Wallace. Sup hoe?

>>109501299
>>109501306
Actually I'm David Gibson, keep your hands off my balls.

>>109501357
>keep your hands off my balls.
oversized labias are not balls.

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>>109500686
>everything from me is nothing to you
imagine being defeated in your mind before you even have a chance to be defeated in the thread

>>109501459
You just succinctly described what you're going through, even though nobody asked and this drama bait has nothing to do with IEMs.

>>109501519
so you're just saying shit that nothing to do with iems for what purpose exactly?

>>109501570
>>109501459
what

>>109500975
>>109501153
>In case your 60 IQ mind thinks it's the people making the posts - no
>immediately starts talking about who made the posts
Never change, ballzo.

>>109502038
wahh wahh wahh.
hey, /iemg/,
test your IEMs imaging abilities here https://imaging-lab.xyz/ for some hot fun.

>>109502126
>imaging test from ballzo
>you're inside a ball
Did Kojima write this?

>>109499516
Yes but impedance adapters are stupid.

>>109502368
how so? what's a better alternative?

>>109502447
EQ/a dongle that doesn't hiss.

>>109493579
Thank you, anon. I really prefer to not use apple so I asked about the galaxy buds 3, but an anon said they weren't worth it. I'll look into the moondrops

>>109502458
None of them will sound like their price, it's just an inherently flawed technology. The tips are not just for noise isolation. Apple has been making them the longest.

>>109502458
Moondrop block sounds muddy to me, the space travels are better, but they aren't flat buds. Airpods gen 2 is still the best for that form factor imo.

>>109490617
Spinfit has tips that do this, they're made so that the exterior dome can flex relative to the nozzle. W1s maybe I can't remember

Android bros, Equalizer314's new update improved compatibility

https://github.com/bearinmindcat/Equalizer314/releases/tag/Equalizer314-v0.0.16-beta

>>109490617
>>109502758
spinfit neo's are the flexible ones, spinfit w-1's have a firmer nozzle core all the way to the top

are there any other open earphones that are comfortable like the apple earpods ? nice buds sound good but the circle on my ear are painful after a while. apple earpods are very comfy, and i've eq'd them to sound a lot better, but i'm curious what else is out there

>>109502126
>test your IEMs imaging abilities here https://imaging-lab.xyz/ for some hot fun.
did anybody actually try this? what are the expectations for accuracy for this?

>>109503459
run several trials of your IEMs or headphones to gain a better understanding of how you perceive the spatial cues between all of them. it's a decent way to familiarize yourself with the relative differences between your sets, imaging-wise

>>109503532
I did but there's pretty much 0 difference. L\R is pretty good on all of them and up\down is basically nonexistent (which also makes sense because even irl up\down positioning is not that great).
Should you spam "replay sound" or should you try to get it from 1 try? Also I don't think their sound engine is sufficient enough cause I had better experience with some video games.

>>109503779
>should you try to get it from 1 try?
no definitely not. start with about 20 or so tries, gain some muscle memory from the cues and familiarize yourself with what the IEM is shooting for. it should be better to discern with other sets once you're used to going through so many trials.
honestly, some sets do suck with up and down, and the ones that are better, you might surprise yourself how close you're getting...depending on your gear, of course.
but yes, up/down can be a bitch, just depends on the set.

>>109503826
>just depends on the set
which sets did you get the best results with?

>>109503883
I haven't tried all of my sets yet. I'm coming up with averages for each POS from 10 sets of 26 samples of every one I test. So far I've only tested Chu with one session that scored 81.2, TKZK Ouranos with one session scoring 90.1, one session with CCA Hydro at 93.2, 3 sessions with PR2 scoring 92.8-93.4.
Still a lot of sessions to do if I really want to come up with an average for each. I figure 10 sessions running 20 or so samples should be fine.
Who knows, maybe it'll turn out the experiment itself ends up inconclusive at worst

>>109504016
jesus this is too much commitment for me...

>>109504135
for me too lol. I only got started on it several months ago, it's not something I'm constantly working on.

>>109504210
try your earliest pos picks again in the end to confirm it's not just training

>>109504299
like the first ones I bought?

>>109504299
nvm I gotcha

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>>109502126
Get on my accuracy level

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>>109504567
it took 34 tries for you to get that.
pic related took me 2 tries

>>109502758
>>109503046
i looks like w1 and neo have same tilting mechanims. But oh buy, they are expensive kek. Ill keep them in mind tho. I need to read some kind of guide or something like that about predicting effect on sound quality and so on.
I sold my Dunus and they are so good with quality tips that i really missing them.

spinfits (at least w1) are consumables though imo, they lose their elasticity and texture and become slippery after x months. i dont get as good fit with mine anymore

>>109504812
i had that shit for a while but despite price and soft silicion they cracked on inside wall. Tbh i might try spinfits but kbear07 and coffee eartips will remain as foundation, also i have to predict my size before buying them because whole set is worth more than cheaper iems.
I also might buy dunu titan (or something like that) just to get eartips because as i said, i liked their stuff

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>>109504865
forget pic of my cracked eartips

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took it long enough

>>109504765
>I need to read some kind of guide or something like that about predicting effect on sound quality and so on
I dunno do you? I don't think there's a real one for IEMs. It's better to figure out where your length modes are first and go from there.

>>109504865
HE sonics, nicehck c04, tri clarion, penon liqueur and whizzer easytips are some tips i've bought that come in every size and are cheap fyi. sonics are very good

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>>109504920
shit's fucking legit.
i've never been so disappointed by something actually sounding so good. expected meme tuning, it's actually really good. first impression is very, very good.