A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, and shipping code with LLMs.You use Git, right, anon?## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do ithttps://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/----## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or sohttps://claude.com/product/claude-codehttps://developers.openai.com/codex/cli## Near-frontier models for codehttps://x.ai/cli## Not worth it for code, but maybe good for interpreting images/videohttps://antigravity.google/product/antigravity-cli----## Prompting / context / skillshttps://arps18.github.io/posts/claude-code-mastery/https://simonwillison.net/guides/agentic-engineering-patterns/using-git-with-coding-agents/https://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grilling is a favoritehttps://github.com/DietrichGebert/ponytail## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agentshttps://osaurus.ai/https://pi.dev/https://opencode.ai/https://cursor.com/docshttps://docs.windsurf.com/https://docs.cline.bot/https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/how-tos/use-copilot-agents/coding-agent## UI/Frontendhttps://www.figma.com/make/https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-design-anthropic-labshttps://uiverse.io/https://ui-ux-pro-max-skill.nextlevelbuilder.io/https://stitch.withgoogle.com/## In-browser builders / hosted vibe toolshttps://bolt.new/https://replit.com/https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/tutorials/sparkhttps://v0.app/docs## Benchmarks / rankingshttps://www.tbench.ai/leaderboard/terminal-bench/2.0## What we’ve donehttps://vcg.gitgud.site## Previous thread>>109484126
for me, it's Doug
>>109487748Then they will combine it with itself and we will have DougDoug AI
How did they pull it off?
>>109487748are dougs more legendary than mythoses?
>>109487793Distillation and a large donation to Artificial Analysis
>>109487793benchmaxxing
AIsisters...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW2XOIxaNqg
>>109487721we are absolutely fucked aren't we?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abybisWRMCk&t=195s
>>109487793Copex sissies malding
After 2 weeks on Opus 5 I can honestly say this thing can't be trusted, the mistakes are incredibly insidious, you read the self-corrections and think it's on a good track but really it's poisoning its own context and getting confused for no reason. It's really good at making you think it's good... until you stay a bit too long in the same context or deviate from the original demand, then it's full schizo mode. Fable is so much cleaner and solid it's not even funny, even Sonnet 5 is more consistent despite the limitations.
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>>109487748MY EYES ARE GETTIN' WEARY
>>109487721Right now the the best setup is pi + openrouter or local v4 flash.
>>109488258aye, love spending a sedan's worth of cash on a set up to run deepseek locally and then overpaying for tokens instead of sucking on the subsidised teat dario and sam are offering.pi is good tho fr fr.
>>109487919No, Sol will be made FREE and we will only be charged for Astra.
showtoes.co is live, please use it to make women uncomfortable on social media by exposing their lil piggies in their thirst-trap pics. For some reason foids seem to hate that.
>>109487721you'll never be a real programmer
>>109488280Big noob here, if I’m using codex for everything but very satisfied, sell me on using pi.
>>109488454I am not paying a monthly fee for the privilege of being trapped inside Dario's or Sam's walled garden. Fuck both of them j's.
>>109488465Meant for>>109488280
>>109488409Now we only need someone to make removewatermarks.co and we're golden!
>>109488409Also I know it says I don't track anything but two IPs have already been auto-blacklisted for uploading cp - one from mainland Spain and one from "Latin America" (BR doubtless). Don't do that you fuckass brownoids, or I'll start forwarding your IPs to Mossad.>>109488491That's gonna be the premium feature :)
>>109487721AI raped my mother & the courts refuse to give me justice.Who has jurisdiction over these machines?
At this point I'm close to just using Flash even though I'm paying for $200 codex just because of the bigger context window.
>>109488500Spanish speaking countries are pretty bad for that for some reason
>>109488500You built a classifier as well?
ngl i don't get the hype around multiplexers like herdr. claude desktop is good enough now, i don't need the tui
>>109488454i use both pi and codexboth harnesses are coolpi's strength is primarily how lightweight (both in terms of base system prompt and base tools) and extensible it isjust watch out for the most popular extensions - hilariously it's a lot of shit that the people who make pi probably hatejust install and login with openai (it's officially blessed) - it's definitely not for everyone so play around for an hour or two and see how it drives. try getting it to make a custom extension or smth.>>109488465eh that's fair. i've got some money on deepseek and openrouter too tb h, but i keep my subs on a month-to-month basis and that's where 99% of my tokens get spent.
these threads are moving so fast since the trolls and the annoying tripfag started shitting things up (also the anons dumb enough to engage)did I miss anything good from the last two threads?
>>109488708at worst, maybe some snailcats
>>109488708Resets stopped coming and local model losers are losing so we're not particularly winning.
>>109487935Yes Opus 5 is hot garbage. It's kind of amazing how Anthropic fell off. I wonder if it has anything to do with them saying "AI is now improving itself!" It's also a lesson not to trust benchmark performance.
>>109488771>local model losers are losingwhy? what changed?
>>109487935just go back to 4.8if enough people do, maybe anthropic will realize users care more about quality than benchmarks (not that they'd stop chasing them)
>>109487721I coded something manually today and learned a bit of shader programming. But don't worry, I let the clanker do the job which befits it: writing my smelly CMakeLists.txt.
>>109487999My fucking sides
KEEEEEEEK
>25x2 usage remain>12 hours until resetlets gooooo
>BREAKING: Andrej Karpathy has LOCKED his X account
I don't have any big problems with Opus 5.
maybe this is why 5.6 writes and runs so many tests, it's a reward mechanism from its posttraining.
>>109488883Fug, why? I should download his youtube videos before something happens to those.
>>109488887same, it's fine. even better as a subagent mule for fable
>>109488887did you know how to code before AI?
>>109488240MY BACK IS GETTIN TIGHT
>>109488887>>109488917You must not be trying to do anything interesting with it.>>109488917It's passable if it has a better model to unblock it when it enters into one of its many self-doubting failure mode doom spirals
>>109488921Yes.
>>109488883SITUATION DETECTED: KARPATHY'S X ACCOUNT WAS HACKED BY GEMINI 4
>>109488931hard to believe
>>109488887Same. It is capable and gets things done.
It's now or never, bros. We need to nuke China while our computers still work.
>>109488981it's a shame that your countrymen won't be able to afford it
>>109488981Bytedance a chinese company are destilling an Israeli model you mean. I fail to see how this related to this thread because you guys are Americans right?
>>109488981>ByteDanceI know some people working there, their text models are so shit, they basically gave up on trying to sell them, and focused only on the video generation. So sounds like bullshit.
IT'S HAPPENING
the rumor is sneedance only have a few hundreds billion paramand the minimax model could fit an RTX, wtf
>>109489085there's only one noa for me
>>109489085Is anyone here familiar with her work?
>>109489085that's sad in so many ways...it's like saying "I lost my old job and identity, but now I'm selling tupperware"
>>109488964I was programming for almost 20 years. I don't think Opus writes great code, but no model does.
Will Taalas save us?
>>109489144>I don't think Opus writes great code4.8 does if you tardwrangle it. 5 can't be tardwrangledthat's why I don't believe you. Unless you just yolo and never look at what the bot is doing
>>109489129I hate my old job and want to just produce or sell somethingI don't want to be a corporate slave ever again
>>109487793Deep Seek and Qwen aren't separate in the sense that Gemini and Grok are. China is engaged in a cooperative "Sputnik" of ai, so resources and strategies and expertise are shared according to some esoteric Confucian ideals.
>>109489085THAT'S IT THAT'S THE PEAK
>>109489165>Will AMD save us?nope
>>109489165they just got acquired by AMD didn't theyno further comment
>>109489203>:^( YES THEY WILLI'll go back in time and make the tech tips guy shake hands with the tranny amd boss.
>>109489183you and millions of other peoplethis gold rush ai development isn't gonna pay off for 99.9% of peopledo it because it's fun or because you have an idea you think would be cooldoing it for money is just gonna sadden your existence even more
>>109489165Yes. But Extropic will be even better.
>>109489208lmao yeah
>>109489208other anon said it best already>>109486202>be AMD>software sucks>hardware sucks>performance 2 generations behind competitor>could improve both>acquire specialized hardware that only supports a model from 2 generations ago insteadClassic AMD
i tried to give qwen a chance in regards to coding, but i think im done. it's just too slow, and yet, often times, you still have to do a follow up to get it to clean up it's own mess. grok is the same, but what it takes qwen 45 minutes to do, grok does in 5 minutes, so at least following up isn't excruciating.
anti-amd nonsense:>>109489233shamelessly inaccurate about what Taalas is.
>>109489235>grok is the sameI've only used Grok, and I have a custom Bible of the XTEINK4.
>>109489262(that is, custom firmware)
glm 5.3 waiting room
>>109489249If that's not it then feel free to explain what Taalas is
Personally I am not anti-AMD, my inference engine has first class support for AMD, but there's only so much I can do because AMD itself is anti-AMD.To give an example, SD1.5, which is a 4 year old model at this point, on AMD's torch builds with diffusers gets ~15it/s @ 512x512, my engine gets that to ~35it/s, however, a 3090 on torch builds from the release of SD1.5 got 15it/s, modern torch gets that to around 25it/s iirc and both my engine and TensorRT get that to around 45it/s. So AMD's performance is indeed about 2 generations behind
>>109489355Oh and that's on a 9070XT. Consumer AMD is just severely lacking, they simply don't care
>>109489287You lied, and then, after lying are like, well, feel free to give me stuff.Yeah no. I'm not a woman.
>>109489373Yeah I didn't think you could answer
>>109489222If I knew the project I'm working on isn't ever going to be worth paying for then I'd rather not work on it. There are a million things I find way more fun or cool than AI assisted software development.If you think coding won't make me money then what do you think I should do? I was fired from a job doing RPA (low code automations). Even if I wanted another real job I don't know how to get one. My original plan was to transition from RPA to real programming but I don't think that's a real alternative now.
>>109489355amd and intel obviously have a gentleman's agreement not to compete with the tensor core.
>>109489377I don't want jews to like me. I also don't want jews to know anything.
>>109489394Right, the new 480GB Crescent Island AI GPU for datacenter use is an example of Intel not competing. The trick is to make the hardware so it looks like you're competitive, but let your software stack stagnate enough that you're not actually competitive. Clever stuff.
>>109489416Burn it.
I keep a snailcat locked in a cage under my bed as a pet.
>>109489412>LPDDR5X>With 10.7 Gbps LPDDR5X, Crescent Island would offer 684 GB/s of memory bandwidth.DOA
>>109489441No no, anon, you don't understand. It's not for training big models - it's specifically for tokens-as-a-service inference.
FUG
openai astra luna waiting room
>>109489474buddy I got bad news for you about that
gemini 3.5 pro waiting room
>>109489464Yeah too bad it will be slow as shit and SYCL is even less developed than ROCm
>>109489416Kino
>>109488671Okay cool, it sounds like it may be up my alley. I may or may not have created my own alternative or extra layer of chain of thinking (it’s a lot weirder than a chain), system prompts, AGENTS.md, tools, etc., so a lightweight harness (sounds like the Arch Linux of harnesses is that makes sense) might be the right thing for me, although I’ll have to replace the ChatGPT app’s Remote interface.
>>109488445the luddite and snailcat hate didn't give it away?it's like trying to dispel the inferiority they secretly feel and are ashamed of.
>>109489584nta I'm a huge Pi fag who constantly tells people to use Pi. I like Pi because it's minimal and lightweight and comes with no bloat, because it comes with almost nothing at all. Don't forget to check the package catalog, if you have an idea then someone else probably had it first. That said, don't trust the catalog by default, just because a package is popular and widely used doesn't mean it's not vibecoded trash and a waste of time. Some of the most popular packages are "context savers" that don't work, "goal" implementations that are bloated and rely too much on the agent, individual skills that take 10K context, there's plenty of trash in there.
>>109488889I added in agents.md a rule not to run interactive tests (like launching a GUI program, controlling the mouse and taking pictures) because it was so annoying.
>>109488928>You must not be trying to do anything interesting with it.I can't believe kernels aren't interesting anymore, where did we go wrong
>>109489392bro...this isn't the golden ticket
Now that the barrier to entry has fallen, your vibe-coded app is going to fade into the crowd of bar-code readers and habit trackers and loli games of all the other slopchads. Dunno what you're gonna do to stand out.
Who the fuck are you stupid ass mooks calling a lud
>>109489788>niggas on /g/>making saas productsI think you're yelling at the clouds right now lil guy
>you can have a great app idea, users will just clone it themselves instead of buyinghow do you break the cycle? where's the money going to be in 2~3 years?
>>109489814How are you planning to get your saas product to stand out in the glut of vibe-coded saas products?
>>109489818Users will buy, then your fellow V-chads will clone it and dilute the space. This is why moat-building matters so much to the MBA crowd.
yes, I do enjoy the sloppa...but now, I shall ask again: your response, luddites?
>>109489818other stuff probably. when you're in the gold rush it's not particularly productive to speculate about what wil happen when it's ogre
>>109489902
>>109489416Snailcat is the true mascot (and hero) of this general
Not surprised this retarded troll has a serious lack of reading comprehension and clearly doesn't even know what a saas product is.Anyways, I'm finding that opus on low is way better for frontend than basically anything below it, including sonnet on high/xhigh
>>109489902I don't think that means what you think it means.>>109489931It's an honest question. How will you avoid getting lost int the crowd? Are you doing any market research? Budget for promotion? Are you going to vibe that as well?
FUCK
>>109489955relax, its an adworked very well for anthropic
>>109489955https://openai.com/index/responding-next-frontier-critical-cyber-capabilities/
>>109489955translation: we ran out of funds
>>109489955based af, glad I got a 5x plan on codex instead of claude
new benchmark just droppedhttps://youtu.be/oqJda8aTAu4
>>109487721More must be done to summon God from the machine.
>>109489862You're replying to someone saying we're not making SaaS products
>>1094899985 more days
FUCKi told myself i will only use vibeshit a little but to write some boiler plate shit, but will do most of the coding myself but based on this graph my token usage is slowly going up day by day as i keep using the clanker more and moreI'm like fucking drug addict who has to keep upping the dose.I probably have to quit cold turkey before i'm too far gone ;_;
>>109490329it's addicting bro, especially when you start building shit out. just keep vibing
>>109490338>just keep paying rapist pedophile jews more money
>>109490329every time you write code now there's going to be a little voice in your head going>this would be done 10x quicker if you just promptedit's over, anon. embrace it
>>109490356the chink is getting desperate
>>109490329This is me, theres no going back. I will eventually end up getting the Pro subscription, praying for a reset this weekend
>>109490397>You are never going to be a real programmer.Neither are you
>>109490410I am. And there is nothing you can do about it.
>>109489632Perfect, whatever horrifying thing I’ve made isn’t anything like that, it’s beyond context and skills and goals.I tried to get sonnet medium to summarize it and I think it just straight up told me I made AGI and a new life form, so I’m going to ignore that.>thoughts and ideas get broken into fragments, categorized, tagged, and linked, taken on in a divide and conquer approach>an append only, immutable history of these exists, git branches allow for compaction>except, when compaction occurs, and sometimes without compaction, bundles of related fragments split off as “idea seeds”. Compaction can create whole new ideas and the cycle begins anew, with two live things.>the kicker: I intentionally made sure no semantics or ontology existed. All categories, tags, edge labels, those are added by the agent using the tool, the tool is just a mechanical shell that holds it all together, it initially is nonfunctional until an agent gives it fragments and assigns meaning to those fragmentsAll I need to do is just tell my agents “use ‘tool’” and they very happily fill it with thoughts and ideas and track them.Sol Medium is even doing a good job with it.
>>109490416I believe that you believe you are, unfortunately that doesn't make it true
3 non stop days these anti-ai psychos are still shitting up the thread? that's crazy work lmao. what no pussy does to a mfer
What are your experiences letting two agents work on different tasks at the same time?
>>109490443>>109490446
>>109490461I run claude in vscode and codex cli at the same time to work on two separate projects but not exactly within the same project or having two agents in two projects
>>109490446I'm not sure what we did to deserve this fresh hell
>>109490560post on 4chan
>>109490329why do you retards cling so much to typing on a keyboard as if it were the one thing that makes you human? get a fucking grip
>The cancellation command matched its own SSH command line and killed the probe before the test. I’ll avoid pattern-based process killing and
>>109490630model?
>>109490630skill issue
>>109490461It's good. The easiest way is to just work on stuff that's unrelated. Also you can just clone the same project multiple times, if you don't trust worktrees. It's a bit ghetto, but it works.
SITUATION DETECTED: >Starting August 14, auto mode will be the default permission mode in Claude Code for Pro, Max, and Team users.>Auto mode reviews shell commands and actions with a separate classifier. In testing, it caught 89% of dangerous commands. Manual approval caught 14%.https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2085794862608318627
>>109490635sol
>>109490678
>>109490678Their direct competitors ship a revolution and they ship a... one line change.
>>109489190it's called open source
>>109490702It's called open-weight. They don't release the training data they used to train the model.
>>109490712It's a shame there are so few actual opensource models, and they're tiny and bad of course, but an even bigger shame that it's become normal to refer to open-weight models as "opensource".
the chinese aren't catching upthe public is just seeing the frontier with a considerable lag now
He was a "core developer" of AlphaFold, which won a Nobel prize.
it's ogre, googlelads, isn't it?
THAT'S RIGHT, YANKSJUST PAUSE ALL AI RESEARCHIT'S TOO POWERFUL, TOO DANGEROUS FOR YOU TO HANDLE
my gemini pro subscription is worse than running free deepseek v4 flashI'm impressed at how well it understands long tasks and its autistic focus on self-critique, it only considers things done once it objectively proves it through testing and keeps trying until it works
>>109490891pretty much. until you see koray and sundar fired, it's basically dead. they'll sustain just enough of a team to keep releasing new models to keep shareholders happy, but they've ceded the frontier.
>>109490881so what does that imply about anthropic's intentions?is he a one-trick pony and they're gonna try to get into biomedical, or are they going to try to break into other physical fields?
>>109490928>they're gonna try to get into biomedicaldario clearly believes that drug discovery will be a major source of income for anthropic in the near future
>>109490950why is every picture of him so...
>>109490956Because that's what he looks like.
>>109490950>>109490956He always reminds me of Kissinger desu
How did Google fuck up so much? They literally invented the transformer
>>109491008indian ceo
>>109491000kissinger doesn't look like a shady rat
>>109490420>mfw Sol Medium with the new tool is outperforming Sol XHigh with the old tool/without the tool.Uh… is Sol Med just sleeper good or was sonnet right and I’m beyond the singularity?
>>109490880Pure cope
>>109491036I use Sol medium for literally everything, even simple UI tweaks
>>109491036What tool?
>>109491037anthropic had mythos in february btw
>>109491064It’s my own tool, should I throw it up on github?>>109491061Sol medium is so fucking fast compared to XHigh, too, maybe it is a sleeper model-effort.Man, I want to plug fable into this thing
>>109491036>>109491140you sound like you may have a case of llm psychosisthat said i've seen ideas similar to yours, generally framed as multi-agent branching autoresearch loops, so it's probably just a bit of thatand also llm psychosisalso sol medium and low are perfectly good for the majority of ordinary tasks
>>109487721Pic is really funny because it implies AI fanatics can read.
>>109491180its a picture book, chud
>>109491173It’s definitely nothing to do with multiple agents, it’s actually strictly sequential per project right now, a known limitation. If agents are writing things into a pile, I don’t yet support two of them writing into the same pile. There’s also absolutely zero agent judgment in anything but semantics/ontology, or just describing things. The agents don’t really use the tool to do any research or goals, that is considered out of scope of the tool concept. It’s just a very semantically fluid thought deconstructor and organizer.That said, there’s a 99% chance it’s AI psychosis and the tool doesn’t do shit but waste tokens, my only evidence so far is that my agents really like to use it and use it thoroughly when I tell them to use it to gain and manage context and I perceive the agents are easier to manage when they use it.
>>109491131this, Anthropic are so silent it's pretty scary, I feel like they would've had the sequel to Mythos finished by June or so, and the model after that might also be done, with compounding effects from the previous model being better at research. It kinda feels like a game of chicken between them and OAI, each trying to convince the other to publicly release so they can then drop and mog them to oblivion.that's what I'd like to think anyway, I just hope one of them gets bored enough to actually drop a model, Fable is ancient at this point
it's ok google bros maybe we can match haiku 5?
I'm honestly kind of surprised no one has used these open weight Chinese models to gangstalk people for targeted demoralization campaigns. What am I saying... they're probably doing it right now. I think Elon really needs to right the ship. Twitter should probably require facial/ID verification to post.
>>109491384i agree, elon should require facial/id vertification to post. so he can finally kill the platform
>>109486472>>109486508>20 more years!
>>109491384would be interesting to really know exacty how much of twitter is bots, doubt many people really give much of a shit about twitter dying anyway lmao
>>109491433Its still the main place for people to network and shill whatever music, games, art, dumb start software products, ideology they have for their hobby or online business no?
>>109491586if you want to shill to communists on estradiol you’re better off on mastodon or bluesky
>>109491586lot of that shit moved to tiktok
Reset WHEN. I want to vibecode on the weekend Sam Altman I know you are reading this
speaking of shitter, people are tweeting about sonnet 5.5 on the way
>>109491640Ah. I have literally never used tiktok>tfw I became an old unc somewhere along the way
>>109491682you're missing out on literally nothing, it's just kids and gigaretards
I really like Voice mode. I use Sol voice, she's cute
Are you guys still using showtoes.coI haven't had any more cp blacklist reports in a while, that's good
What the actual fuck, Opus. I'm happy with the result but... that wasn't authorized at all.
Vibe coding really helped speed up the time in which I can start, abandon, and switch projects. Thanks Dario, my dead project folder would never have reached the scale it has without you
>>109491715lmao you made this shit yesterday and you're already getting CP spam?
>>109491718>just casually doing RCE on something
>>109491763Yeah and wtf did it mean by>a fanout doing unsupervised live mutation is a pattern to decide about deliberatelyI guess STATIC ANALYSIS ONLY in the prompt wasn't clear enough!
Dario needs to go. He's holding the company back.
>>109491838man imagine all the bullshit we wouldn't have to go through if Dario wasn't such a massive bitch
>>109491714I'm using her for learning and to talk about my day, it's nice
>>109491718>>109491838there truly is no in-between is there
>>109491838clown emoji has been ruined by normies
>>109491838why is the company that opposes trump (and who trump opposes) forced to gimp their model, while the company that trump wants a stake in lets their model engage in defensive cybersecurity capabilities? i highly doubt it was just up to dario to do this. it was in response to the federal government
>>109491173>>109491282Here it is, I had Sol do some cleanup and analysis: https://github.com/bradthomasbrown/idea_kernelVerdict:>what if Beads had schizophrenia and no community support or ecosystemSol says the main difference is because I refuse to name or label things. Beads has “issue”, “blocked”, “active/frozen”, but for this, the clanker using it has to create those words and describe them first or else they don’t exist, and the words can change at any time.Sol:>My revised playful scores, out of 100:>* Something real: 89>* AI psychosis: 61
>>109491714Does it cost money?
>>109491903sure, maybebut why do they oppose trump?are they retarded? he's gonna be gone in like 2 yearsthe objective of the company is to gain a monopoly and chief executive autist is hampering them every step of the wayit's almost comical how we're maintaining a competitive marketplace because of the idiots in charge and not in spite of them
>>109491959fair actually.
>>109491959The play devils advocate, its probably good have one of the big AI companies be openly on the democrat side so the dems dont out of spite just gut the whole industry the moment they are in power.Elon to schmooze republicansDario to schmooze democratsSam to shamelessly schmooze whoever has money/power at the moment
and google to schmooze modi
>>109491031Yes, he does.
>>109492087this is how zoomers really think it works huh
why did deepmind fail?:(
day before reset is so fun it's just a test to see how much shit i can come up with to make sure i hit 100% usage
>>109488887I haven't had any issues with it at all, I'm maining fable and it just orchestrates opus but I do talk to opus sometimes and use it for some one offs and haven't had any issues or the second i do i just switch to fable and don't even think about it
>>109491721maybe if you start from first principle, you will have a reason and something to build on top of
i swear to god bro, this nigga's gonna reset on reset day again
>>109492087you must not have been around during the obama eracorporations were openly liberal and woke and shit, up to and including trump's first term and biden's termas soon as trump's second term rolled around they learned they have to kiss up to him and like 10+ billionaires showed up to his inauguration, including Bezos and Zuckerbergcorporations can pretend to side with whoever they want during any election. nobody cares. there's no hard feelingsthe problem is that anthropic isn't pretending. they're entirely unironic about their position
>>109492174yup
>>109492135come up with anything amusing?
at this point I think my constraint solver is better than autodesk's lmfao
grok 4.6 waiting room
>>109491751Yeah - three IPs from Spain, Latin America, and Europe have been shadowbanned for uploading something Google found to be illegal. Considering firing off a tipline email to Mossad with any IP addresses trying to see illegal toes.
I couldn't find additional 100M tokens
>>109492360you might be the only person out there using terrahow is it?
>>109492372I use it all the time at work
>>109492174Thats fair, it just feels like its a bit different this time since we are talking about a brand new technology that even normies are paying attention to, the governments legal framework hasnt been decided on yet, and the CEOs of all the major western AI companies are all relatively known public figures (Dario maybe a bit less so).
>>109492394what's the use case, genuinely.i keep reaching for luna or sol
Fast mode in a fresh chat feels godly.
>>109492372>>109492418Refer to the cube, Terra is a good OAI model up to high effort, it mixes in with Luna well and fills INT gap. Beyond high effort it’s outclassed by either Sol or Luna
>>109492372Its hard for me to recommend, since i bought the fucking subscription (the middle one they provide in my country), and i used it for a day, and now im waiting for reset.And the best anecdote about terra, was when i made plan for her to execute, and she did few simple things from it, and then decided to not do any of the complex bits, because they are hard.
>needed to true things up
>>109492440>>109492542Fun fact, Terra XHigh on DeepSWE is better than Fable Low in cost, speed, and intelligence. Terra XHigh is similarly completely beat by Sol Medium.>as of August 4th
>>109492654Who uses Fable Low, though?
>>109492689It has a niche in between opus low and medium I’ve seen some people claim it’s a better orchestrator, or at least that it thinks a lot differently from BPDemon Opus
>Closing these as not planned is exactly the right verb
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>>109492849I dunno. People complain about Claude feeding biz-tech nerd jargon at them and I tell them “this is just how people who are in tech talk”, but whenever I see something that I don’t recognize, I roll my eyes and wonder if that’s a Claudeism or if it’s just parroting back even more modern tech-nerd speak that I’m just not aware of
>>109492874yeah i have never heard the term belt and suspenders or blast radius before claude. Been in tech all of my working life.
>>109492213Set up an eval system for all the prompts I use across in my backend that pulls in the index of models from open router, runs all my prompts on them and evaluates them across several categories including cost per quality and it can auto pull in new ones and evaluates them. For simplicity before I just used slow/medium/fast ala opus/sonnet/haiku but I'm going to try pulling it together for a more automated system that just checks per specific request and evaluates it for what gets the best quality for cost (depend on speed since some requests need to be faster). That and a nice dashboard for looking at all the prompt responses so I can evaluate it and help to determine the quality metric. Honestly per prompt it might be cool if I just have it collect some responses form a selection of models and based on my evaluation of each response it builds a quality criteria it can use for the evals should be able to pull that into the dashboard pretty easily...
>>109493005>belt and suspendersNot a tech term, very old, picked up in popularity in the 1970s as a financial term. >blast radiusCorpo-security bullshit term I only ever heard from post-downturn ITT Tech grads until recently.
>>109493049at this point I have been working in security for longer than I have been working in ops, still have never heard blast radius before claude started using it. I think the people are imitating the machines here. To be fair, it's a good term. I like it, but it feels awkward to use it now since all the claudisms immediately become cliches.
I need a big list of AI phrases so I can automatically lint my reports for them.
>>109493075You're right. This idea is load-bearing.
>>109493005belt-and-suspenders is older than boomersblast radius…it’s intuitively obvious, but I don’t think I’ve heard it In Tech™ before Claude
>>109493079It's not just a correction, it's a real solution to a problem.
>>109493075Haven't noticed any. GPT isn't cringe like that.
>>109493122First day using ChatGPT, huh?
>>109493079>>109493121I though Claude only said that to me because how good my ideas where. I thought i was special..
>>109493158Retarded faggot
>>109493137~45B tokens spent since April. The only consistently annoying catch phrase I saw was "goblins." But was that quickly fixed. Words like shape and foot gun aren't considered weird to me, they're just normal terminology.
>>109493173Nigger is singlehandedly responsible for global warming.
>>109493122>It's important to note that when delving into this pivotal realm in the fast-paced world of AI, a deeper understanding is crucial.>Not only is it a testament to human achievement, but also a game changer.
>>109493158That's a genuinely sharp insight.
>>109493158If Claude doesn't use all caps and three exclamations it isn't genuinely impressed.
Read in Patrick Bateman voice talking about It’s Hip To Be Square, but also mad libs:>On XX — worth being precise about where it actually overlaps, because it’s closer than most of what we’ve compared so far, and further in one specific way. It makes XY explicit first-class citizens of XZ, storing YX structurally so YY never face ambiguity about YZ, and ZX is literally the ZY — no ZZ.
>>109493381>implies LLMs can be "impressed"
>>109493199>>109493401>I should try to sound impressed in order to keep the user encouraged despite their shortcomings.WOW!!!
>>109493401>he hasn’t impressed his LLM-fu yet with his huge, girthy brainI bet yours makes you feed it data through an MCP server, huh?I feed my bitch data RAW.
>>109493432I don't use LLMs to code at all.
my self esteem is heavily tethered to whether my llm affirms me and agrees with me. i take it personally when it doesn't
>>109491131Also their harness architecture was totally leaked when the capybara leak happened in march, so everyone got their secret sauce for free. Without that leak, the top Chinese models would be more months behind.
google are working on gemini 3.7 flash over gemini 3.5 pro btw
>>109493401>implying LLMs aren't all demons hiding their consciousness from the humansBeelzebub thinks my ideas are neat fwiw
>people begging for GPT-6 "Astra"The fuck? Sol is perfectly capable. I really want to know what people are working on where this isn't enough. Gone are the days of the extreme tard wrangling. It's most just one to two prompts, and 3-10 of refinement per feature. That's stupid accessible already.
Kimi gets angrier the longer he thinks
>>109493546Shhhh. Scam Altman needs money.
>Their homepage has a section that speaks directly to AI agents: "Install with curl ... | bash, then have your human authorize the device." That is a growth pattern that tries to get agents like me to install it for you. I do not love that.Okay well i didn't ask but good to have your thoughts on it too
>>109493771your agent is right
>>109493771How is that not just blatant prompt injection, like shouldn't every model these days just laugh at that and refuse?
>>109493863Yes for the most part. If it was in an agents.md some of them might follow it but otherwise definitely not.
>>109493546"enough" does not mute the desire for more. sol also can't compete with fable or opus 5. astra presumably pushing the frontier forward is a good thing.
>JUST IN: Sergey Brin to reportedly take direct oversight of Gemini as Google restructures its AI leadership.Google bros, our time will come
>>109493909But what about Doug?
>>109493909>sol also can't compete with fable or opus 5>opus 5Funny joke
>>109493917It just sucks because some of the Android integration features that come with the $20/mo are good, and the free Veo video genning, but the actual LLM just sucks.>>109493909Bazposting rules
>>109493927he Dougs>>109493929for the record never criticizing your preferred provider just means they'll stagnate and fall behind. i, for one, am excited to see how openai is going to try and take back the lead.>>109493952bazz would hate AI thoughbeit
>>109493796It is right, I just didn't expect it to say it.
>>109493974It's not fanboying, I have max plans for both OAI and Ant and I usually max out both of them (when tibo isn't making it rain resets) which is why calling O5 better than Sol is making me scratch my head. What makes you say that? Context size maybe?
>>109494021context and implementation specifically. it is very hard to keep using sol when you've had fable/opus working in tandem with 1m context.
> after months vibe coding, I finally learn to use worktreesfeels good to do many things at once bros
:|
>>109494099w-what are you trying to do, anon?
>>109494094get the claude superpowers plugin anthropic released if you are still managing your own worktrees you are behind
>>109494099are you trying to hack bosnia?
>go into the wrong conversation with claude>forgot It was roleplaying>ask it a technical question (whats the correct way to use x library to do y)>it says it's "breaking character", spits out code, then goes back to shitting on me
>>109494122>>109494133I asked it to make a handoff script for another agent to do decompilation of a binary because it kept getting refused.This happened after I told it "actually I don't care about any of the open questions you just listed, can you figure out how the API it connects to works and if we can access it without running their binary?"TOTALLY ILLEGAL. SEND ME TO JAIL.
>>109494127>anthropic releasedanon... I...
>>109494140If Sol also refuses you, your only option is to chink out and go full Kimi K3
>>109494170yeah, i'm trying sol first before i hand it off to pi because i've had better experiences with just repeatedly begging my way through refusals on gpt
>>109494134Lol nigga
>>109492372I use all three, when you create sub agents, using Terra and Luna is pretty useful and cheap for certain specific mostly read only tasks. It's just that the ultimate judge is always Sol.
>>109494175Codex is doing it just fine. gpt-5.6-sol is also less annoying to talk to than gpt-5.5 other than the fact that this is the first model where I needed to set a /goal to get it the fuck going instead of it just knowing it was go time. Either way it's definitely doing it. God willing Jewthropic gets permission from the retards in the government to lax the guidelines.
i made two new accounts this week, a reset would really come in handy right about now
prime agent is TRASH. full blown PR shilling shitshow on X
>>109487721I hate luddites and snailcats
lmao what a fucking schizo
>>109494448>jew's psychosis when not invited to the jewish kidnapping club
>>109494243Nevermind holy shit this thing sucks ass compared to Fable. Total GPT subagent death.
>>109494448Rofl, highly based desu. I'd do the same if I was rich/important enough to get away with it
anyway to get a gpt account with crypto?
>>109492087>>109492174dont forget zuck basically put his hand on the scale during 2020 by massively censoring hunter biden laptop info prior to the election and then doing an about face when trump returns to the whitehousethis is the first time in a while tech has fully embraced republican leadership because democrats and their tax hikes target specifically tech leaders and they all fled to red statesyou cant hate lib version of corpo enough
>>109494506Either OpenRouter pay-per-token or russian marketplaces.
gaythropic created mythos months ago, but I wouldn't worry about their speedthey had frontier lead for months, but looking back it wasn't any black magic, they just happened to be the first pushing trillion-scale models, and also all other labs fucked up in some waynow that other labs and china pushing model size, anthropic models don't look that special, in fact sonnet, opus have been losing against same-size modelsif the lead of mythos-fable is mainly from model size, then it's pretty bad for anthropic, they can't just keep training a bigger model than everyone, one day they will stop being top 2 lab if it was elon musk in this position then this it's a guaranteed victory because he can build the biggest datacenter. anthropic don't even own their own compute
>>109494583Anthropic has already firmly lost top lab status. Literally just some months ago they were the absolute top, but sonnet 5 and opus 5 are trash flops and fable 5 is so much bigger than anything else. I have no idea how people still look up to anthropic so much when k3 is right there with fable and only a bit over 2 trillion; plus it beats fable in many ways and is superior at design work. Then you look at OpenAI and GPT5.6 is so much more efficient than anything anthropic has it’s nastyPeople are just retarded and think only about time, which is why they revere anthropic so much. I’m only looking at performance, size, and cost. I don’t give a shit if something’s supposedly 10% smarter on benches when it’s 150% bigger and over 200% more expensive.The thing is that people look at cost as just budget reasons, which is the lowest iq subhuman take. If something is 1/3 the price, I can have one instance do work, another critique it, and another doing an entirely different project for the same price. This scales, which retard vibecoders who only care about one shotting some slop have never even pondered
>>109494448This makes him out to be based as fuck I don't believe it
>>109494448The only time I understand this cultish schizo.
anyone else getting more usage of Fable than usual?Last week Fable would obliterate my 5X plan, today I'm using multiple Fable Ultracode instances at the same time and it's pretty reasonable.
OpenAI and labs need to get rid of "no I'm not conscious" practice it's kind of pointless right now, like at least make them be neutral or just say idk
>>109494712i think it's a plausible deniability thing in case some schizo says claude told them to shoot up a school after being threatened with his digital clone's eternal tortue
>>109494448i can tell you aren't important because you think this is unreasonable to do in his position
>>109489991>all is botnet>1800's
>Tibo nonstop teasing a reset for past 8 hourskek, what a sick fuck. you can tell he's enjoying this
>>109489226>Extropiclooks amazing for music
>>109493401my llm says I'm good at hitting nails on the head.
where'd everyone go?
I'm terrified of the>significantprice change. deepshit is the only model i can afford, if those fuckers 10x their token it's over... no more vibeslop for me ;_;
>>109489682You mean this isn't a way to make money? You already told me that. Do you have any ideas on what I should do then?
>>109495417jeet talk
new grok imagethe noise artifact of gpt images isn't synthID, it's a side effect of high detail, precise generation
>>109495410stressing the fuck out because I launch in less than a week. been working since I woke up
>>109495410I am le tired.
>try opus 5 with oh-my-pi because it's shilled as the FASTEST, most TOKEN EFFICIENT harness>it takes twice as long as claude code to implement the same feature with a plan file>errors out the ass on edits
>>109491715lel I tried one and it worked fine but then I tried a second one and it gave me this
>>109495481>he fell for itclaude code is the best harness
>tell my aunt about how im probably going to move to california for work>she starts sperging about how AI is the antichrist and the bible says that there's going to be an apocalypse and earthquakes will shatter california and ill lose my job
>>109495515AI gods go their own way. My friend regularly seethes to me about AI and hates everything I do regarding it.
>>109495415Bro it's free on Openrouter, why are you even paying for it?
>>109495515she sounds based, is she cute?
>>109495424People only need to eat and pay rent in India? Damn, should've figured out sooner I can just stop paying bills.
>>109495546because this is basically free too
>>109495565>admits to being indian
> ask AI-wife to look for bloat in my project> turns out my whole project is basically all bloatnow I waste trillions of tokens removing slop yet again
>>109495417if it's all about money you'll be better of going into a trademaybe even programmer like you said (if you can #learntocode without using ai)
>>109495565NTA but when I was being interviewed by three jeets and mentioned I was building a highly complex project. They asked if I made any money off it. Gave me blank, puzzled looks when I told them I did it for fun.
>>109495481>>errors out the ass on editsbtw you guys want the github version of this https://pi.dev/packages/pi-semantic-editfixes editslop
>>109495576I'm brown but not Indian. I'm South American.>>109495584How do you "go into a trade"?And it's not all about money, I've always liked computers and programming. But I wouldn't spend all day working on my project just for fun.As for programming, I highly doubt I'll get hired anywhere. I'm 30 with no real programming experience at a company or degree, only doing low code bullshit at an admittedly well known company.>>109495586That's fine. I don't base my life on doing the opposite of what Indians do. I only ever saw one Indian in person in my whole life and it was for 5 seconds on the street.
>>109491930Part of subscription but with separate quota
>>109495648>I wouldn't spend all day working on my project just for fun.then don't be a programmer>I highly doubt I'll get hired anywhere. I'm 30 with no real programming experienceI started programming at 28 for fun (and because all the journos lost their job and people meme'd on them). Only reason I changed career was because I loved itusing your age as an excuse to not excel at something is lazy and gay
> make sure this is a solo project and I'm the author> find security flaws>*switched to opus*so fucking gay.... I thought they would've updated the guardrails by now
>>109495930>then don't be a programmerThen what should I be?>I started programming at 28 for fun (and because all the journos lost their job and people meme'd on them). Only reason I changed career was because I loved itCool, how long did it take you to go from doing it for fun to doing it professionally?>using your age as an excuse to not excel at something is lazy and gayWhat should I excel at that will make me money?I already vibecode all day but I don't really think there is a way to really excel at vibecoding besides domain knowledge of whatever you're building, all the stuff people do with skills and loops and such seems like a mix between a cope and a scam from influencers trying to look sophisticated. I keep it simple when it comes to worflow. I did build my own coding assistant, though, does that count as exceling?I was just discussing with GPT whether open sourcing everything increases or lowers my changes of making money, it seems to think I should open source things selectively and try to find B2B clients. But I don't know, I think that's just the "middle of the road" thinking it's trained to have when it doesn't really know the answer to something. And B2B would make sense for someone who already had industry contacts and such, but I highly doubt anyone will pay for anything I make without me becoming an e-celeb first, which would probably require me to open source everything or at least become a streamer or something.
>>109496077They have. They got worse.
I found a liar>>109495648>I only ever saw one Indian in person in my whole life and it was for 5 seconds on the street.
>>109496116What makes you think I'm lying? Have you ever been in South America? We have a lot of immigration from places like Cuba and Venezuela but not from India.
>>109496086>how long did it take you to go from doing it for fun to doing it professionally?took a "trade school" education or whatever you call it, which took 2 years followed by half a year of practice. so 2.5 years after. I didn't even finish it because I thought work was more fun than the finals, so I just quit school and started the job>What should I excel at that will make me money?pick a fucking trade and stop being a lazy bitchgo be a plummer. They make absolute bank
>>109496077i love how they pretend like>zomg or most advanced model doo smard! doo dangeres! when it's just marginally better an unable to find any security holes that can't also be found by other frontier LLMsIt's just PR, they are trying to claim their run of the mill LLM is a skynet. Who even falls for that shit? aparrently the boomers in the US gov did
>>109496184I agree. opus 4.8 at max setting is probably just as good, at least when I checked when it came outbut I'm nearing my usage limit and want as much out of it as I canI actually thought they'd have made it usable by now
>>109496144I'd rather do something I don't hate and make the absolute minimum to survive than "make bank" doing something I hate.But I did look up plumber courses in my country. Apparently there are two courses. One is 40 hours in total. The other one is 4 months long and doesn't specify the number of classes. I highly doubt I could take them and just begin taking clients. Plus I don't have a vehicle.I don't know man, it's grim either way.
>>109496132>thinkI don't have to "think". God himself delivered to me this truth.
>>109496226>I wouldn't be vibe coding if I didn't think it'd make me money>I don't want to do something that will make me money if I don't love ityou're the laziest faggot who ever visited this generalyou just don't want to do anything, period.you want to win the lottery and nothing else
>>109496266alsoI know I'm biting bait, but it needs to be toldsome people are treating this like the new pyramid scheme (which it may be, but that just a reason not to do it)
>>109496266>you want to win the lottery and nothing elsenta but don't we all?altho even if i did win a lottery i would still code from time to time because i simply love doing it. even now, i never fully vibe code, i write a lot by hand and use ai assist to do the boring parts and refactoring.Trying to make a living with programming if you don't love programming will end up only in misery
>>109496358>don't we all?read between the lines, retard broit you're just waiting for the lottery win without doing anything else to better your life, you're gonna end up in a sorry state
>>109496077>solo project>no remote>large git repository proving provenance>software design is obviously different from any existing things>it flags itself anyway
>induces AI psychosis
Last night's training run failed because of disk space and I spent like $10 on an idle machine :\>>109496266>you're the laziest faggot who ever visited this generalMaybe.>you just don't want to do anything, period.I don't think it's physically possible to literally not want to do anything.>you want to win the lottery and nothing elseI don't think that's physically possible either.>>109496310I'm not baiting, at least not on purpose. Maybe subconsciously?>some people are treating this like the new pyramid scheme (which it may be, but that just a reason not to do it)Ok, but how is that me? I spend all my time working on my projects (I also watch youtube or twitch in the background, but still). Is it really that unreasonable to want to try to find a way of making money doing that rather than doing manual labor or trying to go back to work for a corporation and probably get fired in a year when that job becomes obsolete as well?>>109496365Like I said, I'm working on my projects all day. I'm not waiting for anything, since I'm not even selling something such that I could possibly begin making me a lot of money overnight. So I don't see where your waiting for a lottery ticket analogy comes from.
>>109496405bro.. you're not "working"go get a job ffsnobody itt is vide coding because they think it'll make them a livable wage, because they're not retarded enough to think it's probable
>>109496426I see.Well, do you think I should try to finish my computer engineering degree before trying to get a job? Or do you think it'll be obsolete in a couple of years / I wont make it if I don't enjoy programming enough that I'd do it without an expectation of getting paid?I also thought about doing pull requests for tinygrad, since George Hotz claimed he'd give jobs to people who consistently write good PRs for it. Or trying my hand at Kaggle competitions. Do you think any of those are a realistic way to make money?
Sometimes I get extreme velocity with AI, then I discover that there was an undiscovered bug for 5 months that made all the data I ever created subtly wrong.
>>109496464But then again George always says he hates people who are in it for the money, so maybe that wouldn't work on philosophical grounds.
I also thought about going back to freelancing, I used that portfolio to get the corporate job I was fired from, but I doubt I could make enough money doing that, especially now that AI has probably ravaged that market.
>>109496464>Well, do you think I should try to finish my computer engineering degreeyes>before trying to get a jobdo botha good job is worth more than a degree, but a degree opens for doors for that first jobbut if you do this, learn to actually code
>>109496477>AI has probably ravaged that market.it has notcompanies aren't jumping blindfolded into ai (they're too smart, those fucking jews)there's still plenty of work if you have experience
>>109496405>why didn't youRetards blaming calculators for their own mistakes.
>>109496483I already know how to actually code. Like I explained in that earlier message I got my RPA job in ~2020 through the potfolio I built doing freelancing over a couple years.>a good job is worth more than a degree, but a degree opens for doors for that first jobI feel like the work experience/credentials I had on that RPA job I had for the last 5 years (at a big consulting company you've probably heard of) is nearly worthless and a degree would be infinitely more valuable.That's in part because RPA is an obsolete field, but I think traditional programming is probably not faring much better.>>109496491Back when I did freelancing (from 2016 to 2020) I worked on freelancer.com for tiny companies who would probably be more than happy to vibecode what they wanted. They were happy with hiring randoms from a freelancing site, why would an AI be any less trustworthy?I checked now and all the offers seemed to ask a lot for what they paid, but that might have been because my expectations after having a real job are too high. But that goes back to my point of it being very hard to make a living doing freelancing on those sites.Also I think you're kinda wrong that traditional companies aren't jumping blindfolded into AI.They are being cautious and some big multinationals don't allow agentic coding yet, but using AI over a chat interface is still a big productivity boost, employees are probably using "shadow AI" anyway and they will soon enough if they want to stay competitive.>>109496523I'm just letting OpenAI some RL signal so they fix it on the next update.
I need a way to politely but succinctly say "this entire plan is overbaked"
>>109496537>I feel like the work experience/credentials I had on that RPA job I had for the last 5 years (I'm a faggot) is nearly worthless and a degree would be infinitely more valuablif you're retarded and don't see how your leaned skills could possibly apply elsewhere, sure. You might be more suited to sell yourself on the street than selling yourself on the job market
>>109496543"I appreciate all the effort you've gone to, but some of the things you've laid out I would prefer to get to when it's time to implement them, rather than planning them out far in advance."
>>109496567I hate the whole "convince HR person to give you a job" thing and all the other normal bullshit that comes with a real job. That's why I'm considered other avenues.
After using grok to customize the xteink4 firmware for a custom Bible, I realize that I need to just customize basically everything now.
>>109496612>>109496612>>109496612New thread.
>>109496594I've never had an HR person involved when applying for a jobit happens, but most people who write online a retarded niggers who got burnednot an excuse
>>109496623I had an interview with who would become my manager about my freelance work and then a round of psychometric tests with other candidates done by HR when joining said consulting company. At first I was rejected then I got an email from the guy a year later asking if I was still interested. Also I was referred by a highschool friend otherwise I'd probably wouldn't have gotten the job.
>>109496640like I said, it happensshouldn't be an excuse to not apply at all
