Why can't Microsoft make anything decent anymore?
all the brain power over there is dedicated to trying to make AI profitable
>>109512602This, Microshaft is probably harnessing everybody's compute power and RAM in the biggest Ai botnet you've ever seen.
>>109512535why does it take 200MB to display a few numbers?
>>109512634This, even the """better""" one is still bloated the fuck out.
>>109512634It's not displaying weather information Anon, the OS is fucking spyware and because it's closed source you can't even fucking look at it, so you kind have to take their word that simple shit is using so much RAM and CPU cycles.
heh, anyone have the tweet from a Win dev who's proud that new Win11 start menu is an electron app?Only boomers still use that shitty OS.
>>109512634>why does it take 200MB to display a few numbers?Weather part is probably not 200MB in size. They're counting all the libraries it loads. But dylib uses dynamic loading so it's probably using much less.
>>109512535Just buy more ram. Are you poor?
>>10951268016G + 1TB NVMe is like $1000
>>109512704Imagine having anything other than an ultra 9 with 64 GB of DDR5 6000 RAM and a 4TB NVME just to run Windows 11 smoothly
>>109512674ok, internet connection, graphics libraries, ...still not seeing 200 MB
>>109512835UI stacks are big.
>>109512835Jesus christ 800MB more and you're looking at an entire Linux Mint operating system, which a lot of the hardcore arch autists would call bloat because they idle at like 500mb of RAM used.Basically stay the fuck away from Windows
Windows 11's weather app is littered with ads and Microsoft won't even let users pay to remove them. Apple Weather on the other hand doesn't have any ads.
>>109512942>Apple Weather on the other hand doesn't have any ads.Kek, such a sad state of affairs when given no choice of FOSS, that I would choose the fucking Apple over a PC just because Windows is s fucking horrible, never thought it would be this bad having grown up with Vista, and then seeing Windows 8 come out and so on, but here we are.
>>109512634It runs its own instance of Chrome, with its own js engineIt also runs it using gpu acceleration, so it will eat your gpu cycles and vram too.
Why would I need a stand alone application just for weather?
>>109513029It's because normies are too retarded to go into jewgle and type zip code+weather, they'd rather just have more and more shit running on their computer for no reason.
Chrome was a mistake.
>>109513071Of course it was. It the second worst thing that happened to web, just after creation of JS.
>>109512535Omarchy's entire desktop shell is 1GB, and here I thought that was egregious.
>>109512535even the poorest fags have PCs with 16GB RAM, most people have 32GB. who cares about just 1GB, it's nothing
>>109512535>anymoreThey never could. Except for pinball. That's now on Linux too.
heh
>>109513243Watch it Anon, when people start acting like ahh who cares about ram usage, 16GB is enough, do things start bloating out of control and next thing you know 32GB of RAM isn't enough, cause if you travel back in time maybe a decade ago and tell some guy hey bro your 4GB core i5 laptop is gonna be unusable in a decade, they wouldn't believe it because it was common for a high end laptop to have 8GB of RAM and 4GB was normal, but here we are, computers with 4GB of RAM really aren't usable when it comes to having chrome and other things open at the same time, it just can't do it comfortably.
>>109512535I have a VM running WeeWx that connects to a weather station in my backyard over software defined radio and that entire setup including the whole linux distro and the web server that serves up all the weather data only uses 196MB
>>10951324316 gb is just 16 "it doesn't matter"s away from oom.
>>109513303who does this shit? just use your phone, totally lost as to why anyone would do weather on the pc.
>>109512634The app is full of useless animations and liquid ass effects.
The widget? no its doesn't, its literally just a connection to the msn weather page>>109512942settings > show or hide feed > hidewhy is /g/ so tech illiterate?
>>109513311because its nifty and it keeps all the data. I can tell you for example that the hottest day this year was June 30th or the day with the most rainfall was Aug 2 with 4.15 inches.Don't you find that fun anon, collecting data.I have also had good luck feeding all the data collected into my local copy of Gemma4 and having it run an analysis while comparing it to more general weather info.
>>109513323>transparency just to see the fucking weatherJesus that's so unnecessary, I loved transparency and animations when I was 12 and got a vista computer but you get to an age where you grow the fuck up and start paying for your RAM and chip and want as few CPU cycles used as possible so that it can be used for actual shit you are doing.
>>109512535this is /g/, windows faggotry is for reddit, where r stands for retard, there is no use case for windows anymore, if you have business use in mind use Kubuntu/Ubuntuif you need some faggy creative applications, you can spin up a Windows 11 VM for 10 minutes, shit out your art there like the toilet that it is, then press the pause button and close the VM.you low IQ fags are insanely infuriating, stop making these bitching posts already
>>109513372>if you need some faggy creative applications, you can spin up a Windows 11 VM for 10 minutes, shit out your art there like the toilet that it is, then press the pause button and close the VMThat's the based why of doing things, nothing more satisfying then editing some clips together in Vegas or a shitpost in Photoshop CS6, puking it out into my shared folder, and then minimizing that piece of shit OS and going about my FOSS business.
>>109513372>>109513396Just use GIMP, morons.
>>109513372redditors love linux
>>109513410I'm sorry Anon, I know it's proprietary crap but the both of them are cracked and based Linux with virtualization will let me preserve and use them forever no matter what new hardware comes out, it's better than back when I was trying to use 7 as a main OS for the longest time lel
>>109513323it is also a embedded safari website with native wrapping ^ so very similar to how windows does it
>>109513396exactlyPirated Windows 11 VMPirated SISSY VegasPirated Adobe everythingbest of all, fully network disconnected, so no metrics
>>109512535It needs at least 1GB to load all of the ads.
>>109513367>but you get to an age where you grow the fuck upnow you see why Vista didn't make it back then - the people who didn't like it were "significantly older and didn't care about shit like that"
Word uses 10x more RAM now to display the same 584kb document.
>>109512535jeet ceo for last 10 years, same as google both are shit, not a coincidence
>>109512535They're all still convinced unused ram is wasted ram.
>>109513919It's retarded because I wouldn't mind if devs had apps hold as much of themselves in memory as possible because it's such a high speed cache and it would be snappy, but modern apps don't even do that, things are laggier and slower than ever and taking up more space.
>>109512942Lol so people really accept ads in their os? If so they deserve it.
>>109513979You really can't feel sorry for them when they complain, I have friends who have Windows 11, know it sucks with bloat, spyware, and jank, but they keep using it for vidya, it's like "you know what bro? just keep it, you're right where you need to be"
>>109512535>>109512634Electron. Every. Single. Time.
>>109512535Jeets. Jeets rule MSFT with the aid of AI. Nobody wants to deal with MS HR. They actually outsourced most of the HR.
>>109512880>I must conserve my RAMPoorfag mentality.
>>109514499>just buy more ramRetarded vibecoded React electron app mentality.
>>109513337>>109513303its cool I wanted a similar setup but always found it a pain in the ass. Its really hard to find real data on past year rainfall all you get is city averages which is useless these days.
>>109512535unused ram is wasted ram
>>109513881Indian programmers sir
>>109514975It is really easy to setup. Grab yourself something like this. The acurite 5 in 1 is about as cheap as you can get. You don't even need the base station if you want to skimp on the barometric pressure you just need the bit that goes outside.Then get yourself a cheap usb software defined radio and the rest is a linux box and the weewx software.I have mine running on a on thin lenovo minipc that runs proxmox along with a bunch of other web services for my home network.if you want to go really cool you can add another software defined radio because i heart radio branded stations in the US broadcast on their digital signal radar weather maps of your local area.you can strip out that data and host it on a local web server and you will have internet free weather + radar>https://www.weewx.com/for the weather station>https://github.com/theori-io/nrsc5>https://github.com/cmnybo/nrsc5-guiif you want to pull radar maps from hdradio signalsyou would probably have to write a bit of a custom script for that last part but i think there are some floating around github that do similar things
>>109513323I had no idea there was an official weather app.
>>109513323>>109515171COURAGE
>weather applook out the window?!?>>109512670that was a fake tweet
>>109512670>>109515239https://nitter.net/ptremblay/status/1927161666732523596
>>109512535NO REFUNDS!
>>109512535The power of AI.
>>109512535AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHGood, let those normies suffer,fuck emI wish for more bloat on windows. oh please god,anyone who uses Windows unironically today deserves the fucking worst,and no I am not kidding, fuck those idiots
>>109512535Just uninstall it then and check accuweather? Are you stupid?
>>109516000no, you are for defending cancer.
That's your brain on modern and now vibe coding.The application launches and nominally works, that's all that is required. Heavy CPU and memory pressure? Insane amount of writes? Who cares
>>109512535W10 doesn't have this problem.
>>109516081>Heavy CPU and memory pressure? Insane amount of writes?the product manager again has no idea what the fuck you are talking about you spaz. the result delivers the customer value, it was shipped to production on time and all the bug tickets are all closed and we achieved the sprint goal. your rants about technicalities are making everyone here uncomfortable.
>>109515068kek
>>109517070>there are "people" willingly uses an OS that installs shit on itself
>>109512535W10/W11 with full updates passively utilize ~12GB when nothing is open on a 64GB system, maybe with two open tabs on some webpage with only pictures/text. A computer only having 16GB of RAM in this day and age, running either version, is like having a Chromebook in 2010 with only 4GB RAM. That's the most insane part about the current memory shortage, you can shell out $250 for 16GB of DDR5 and it'll barely handle office tasks. Anything less than 24GB on modern hardware is like buying a rectangular table with only three legs.
>>109513881Word 2007 is the last good version, the exponential bloating occurs after that
>>109517070>>109517110I don't get why everyone isn't just pirating LTSC
>>109517302because in 5 years when it becomes deprecated, when then?are you stupid? make the switch to a viable operating system alreadyfucking normies are the stupidest people, yikes.
>>109517318And Windows 11 ltsc is being deprecated in 2k34, that's not better at all. Might as well use Windows 10 while you can and start testing the waters with the next LTSC release that's not even out yet.
>>109513881moving from 32 to 64bit doubled everything, but still...
>>109512535The answer, like always is: Jeets.
Windows creates a completely separate sandboxed browser instance for each service like the Weather App, so none of the libraries in the ten meter tall stack are shared between processes. This makes it into a terrible memory hog.
>>109517293Wish I hadn't upgraded to 2019 as there aren't a whole lot of new useful features but it really pushes hard to get you to put everything into one of their cloud services instead of on your local device.
>>109513253This. Why did i have to scroll so far down to find the most rational response.
>>109517293I'm still using Office 2007. I tried to use libre office but I simply refuse to use something so fucking slow.
>>109516288Talking about quality and good products is antisemitic
>>109517318This, once you stop coping with muh last gud version and accept that Windows is cooked and has generally been trash this whole time, are you really free.
no idea but you guys continue using it so...
This is the result of hiding all complexity in 11 layers of frameworks and then hiring kids to make apps
>>109512535why can't they just copypaste the windows 7 widget and change it's skin to a flat one?
You guys seen this? This is Microslop in 2026.I doubt they will recover from this. They fired all the competent programmers and have replaced them with AI and indians.
>>109517318>securitard>calling anyone normie
>>109517509I wish this was true. I would hire them immediately
>>109517524but it is true.30% was back in 2025. It's much higher now.
>>109512535everything is a web browser
>>109517533Then were are they? How do i find them for hire?
>>109517764linkedin?
Oh nooooooo not one gigabyte of memory. The horror.
>>109517845And what programs you have running to use 23 GB?
>>109517822Tried. Not a single one anywhere.
>>109512535>Why can't Microsoft make anything decent anymore?brian lunduke mentioned that at the end of his 5 year stint at microsoft from 1998 to 2003, his boss was replaced with a saar who replaced everybody on the team with saars for better team compatibility and pushed all the veterans to quit by giving them aisle level desk space. fast forward to 2026, and india is pushing for ai curriculum from age 8 onwards. microsoft has been going downhill for years and that will only be accelerated by ai.
>>109512535Origonal Skyrim 32 bit ran on 1.3-3 GB.
>>109517913It really makes me smile. Microsoft and jeets were made for each other. It is truly beautiful watching them both go down together.
i just use curl wttr.in to get a weather forecast. uses a couple megs of ram peak for a split second.>>109513263use case for considering performance?
curl wttr.in
>>109515000you'll say that until you need it one day.
>>109515000wasted ram is wasted ram. my ram is always fully used, just not wasted
>>109512719Don't know how these plebs even code when Visual Studio recommends 64GB.
>>109517872wallpaper set to a picture of you're mum
>>109517931that'd be pretty bad considering 32bit windows ootb has a 2GB userland address space limit, and requires a kernel parameter to bump it to 3GB
>>109512535Why do we need more than 16-64MB for the OS and background services?
>>109517450>accept that Windows is cooked and has generally been trash this whole timeLinux will always be trashier than Windows.If I can't run all versions of After Effects, Maya, 3DS Max, Redshift Renderer, Photoshop, FL Studio, and every VST with ZERO bugs/compromises, then Linux is completely and utterly useless to me.
>no one itt complaining about 500mb-1gb ram use per browsing TAB>act surprised why everything went to shit
>>109518892Uhh anon, it's kind of been a meme for years and years how much RAM chrome uses
It's not just Microsoft. It's Google and others. Gmail takes about as much memory to show you your inbox >>109513243Fuck yourself. I want to use that 6% of my memory for doing meaningful work. But every shitty slop software company decided, with your logic, that it's okay to waste memory doing nothing, so now we have full stacks of shit software that all takes minimum 1gb memory each to do almost nothing. So now checking the weather forecast, checking your email, and running a chat client together now consumes 20% or more of your memory before you've even opened any real software to do real work. It's so much bullshit that we have miraculously fast computers today but they feel slow because the quality standard of software development is utter fucking dog shit. and everything is slop running on top of slop in huge towers of absolute garbage. everything is shit and you fucking stupid people just shrug like "duh everyone has at least 16gb now"
>>109519117>should I close the program when I'm done with it?>no, I NEED to seethe on /g/Fucking poser. Hardware is strong enough now to not need to be pedantic about memory capacity, and in the OLD GOOD era you're undoubtedly trying to champion with your whining, it was the norm to shut off windows and applications you're not actively using precisely to ration resources.
>>109519169Are you 19 years old or something? Probably never experienced a time when developers (including those who made websites and web apps) actually had to care that they weren't making 100% complete dog shit. Maybe you're also a shitty web dev who's self conscious that you don't know how to do anything meaningful without importing 100mb of libraries.Linux user since 2005. i remember routinely running web browser + chat + music + email client + virtual box running windows 2000 on a system with 2gb memory. I can probably dig out a screenshot of myself doing just that circa 2011. It swapped a bit but it was very workable. And now today, 4gb memory is not enough to comfortably run a web browser and a few tabs, no other apps.Fuck you, the world is a worse place because you people accept and defend mediocrity to protect your own ego
>>109519264not him but 2GB of ram in 2005 was quite a lot, i had 256MB of ram in 2005 (512MB in 2006), i could run a handful of things at a time in windows xp on it>4gb memory is not enough to comfortably run a web browser and a few tabs, no other apps.for you
>>109512535>Why can't Microsoft make anything decent anymore?They're now a too-big-to-fail business like what IBM was from the 90's onward. When you get that big, you don't need to put in the R&D money to be good anymore because you have enough enterprise license slaves to stay solvent for at least the next century.
>>109519431>for youFor the average person. And especially in any realistic real world usage scenario, like if you're actually visiting normie websites and using real web apps like email etc. You're not really proving anything by running a very stripped down Linux in a vm with restricted memory (but probably running on a fast host) and managing to browse one tab of 4chan on it
>>109519570yea if you want to browse fat websites like youtube or facebook on up to date windows with 4G of ram... have fun with that. 4chan thankfully is still a pretty light website, despite being entirely incompatible with older/simpler browsers due to cuckflarejust somewhat humorously pointing out that you still can if you want to
>>109512880A full X environment with OpenBox and a single terminal window open running htop used to take just under 70mb of memory some 15 years ago on pretty much any Linux distro whether it was Arch, Gentoo or Ubuntu
>>109519637>>109519570oh and, i do know what you meant.a few common programs/websites on windows today will chug with 4G of ram while in 2005 your 2G could have a few websites open, your IM, your email client, and winamp... in the background while you play the latest AAA game.but 2005 was over 20 years ago, if anything we're in a better position now since there so many more choices available. you could just as well argue that needing 2G of ram was "bloat" because you could do the same in windows 95 with 64M of ram 10 years before that
Is it always running?
>>109519712a screenshot/photo i took in 2013 floated around for a while showing xfce running on a thinkpad (not a vm) using 65M of ram (on the desktop with xfce4-terminal and screenfetch visible). i don't have that picture anymore.i don't think you could do that now that xfce is no longer using gtk2
>1.2 GB for the Weather App>1.2 GB for the WhatsApp App>You have now used 30% of your RAM in your MacBook Neo killerhttps://www.windowslatest.com/2026/06/13/whatsapp-is-eating-1-2gb-ram-on-windows-11-even-as-microsoft-kills-web-app-slop/
>>109519712>>109519835actually that one wasn't the thinkpad, it was an hp compaq nx6120, still have it somewhere
>>109519264Are you actually trying to "no u" me after I outed you as a young retard talking about shit he doesn't understand?>muh 2gb system 21 years ago!!!!!!The average computer 21 years ago had 256mb-1GB of RAM. The system you're pretending you had was a high end system. The computer my family had at the time, a brand new Dell, had 256 megs. A huge upgrade from the 64 meg emachine we had prior.The time period I'm talking about was the 90s. I know you zoomers think the world didn't exist before you were born, but come on. >today, 4Gb is not enough4GB was outdated 9 years ago you absolute tardbrain.
>>109519780Yeah but the thread is about a fuckin weather tracker app taking a whole gigabyte of memory to tell you the weather forecast, and that's just one example, the modern software ecosystem is full of things as shitty and wasteful as that, and they all add up.
>>109520176sure, and you can just not use weather apps that use 1G of ram, is what i'm saying
>>109512535>Why can't Microsoft make anything decent anymore?Because they have crunched the numbers, done the market research, and confidently arrived at the following correct conclusion:No matter how bad Windows becomes, (You) will keep using it anyway.Technically superior alternatives to Windows have been available for many years, but (You) will simply not use them. You will accept the 1GB weather app and you will continue using Windows.
>>109520196Yeah for now. But it's hard to avoid having to use other dog shit garbage software which is as badly made as that, like discord as a prime example - it's on about the same level of quality as that Microsoft weather app, but unlike a shitty weather tracker you can easily just not use, you can't simply choose not to use it if you have contacts who can only be reached through it. And like i said earlier, gmail is getting to be about as shit too, and that's pretty hard to avoid for a lot of people.The quality standards slip further every day, at some point "just don't use the stuff that sucks" doesn't work anymore once most stuff is as shit, and we're pretty much already there and have been for a while
>>109520524This, as much as people who know how to computer will scream and ditch windows, it's a minority, there's a whole lot of nigger cattle that will keep using it and that's where the money is at, that's why they do what they do, it's the same reason why an indian scammer doesn't want to talk to smart people, they're not giving you the money, it's the crayon eaters who want to play their little vidya games.
>>109520176I'll bet none of you tards complaining about the RAM usage even knows what the app is doing.
>>109520827We can't know because it's a closed source piece of dogshit
kek
>>109520856>MUH SOURCE CODE I'll never ever read it but I want itLook at the picture, retard. It was even drawn out for you.
>>109520948you need to be over 18 to use this site
>>109512649How shit is your spyware optimization that it has such a massive hardware footprint?
In case anyone wants a definitive answer as to why it uses 1gb+;It's a fucking web app. Opening the weather app means you're actually opening Microsoft Edge, which will use 1gb of ram right off the bat. Couple that with the app being infested with ads, of course it's such a disaster.
>>109519800If you have in in your taskbar, which is the default behaviour, probably.
>>109520992>can't figure out what an app is doing when presented a photo of all of its features
>>109512535>five times lessIt's one fifth the amount.It's not five times anything.
>>109520545you might hope the current and likely continuing for a while ai memory stranglehold would help with that a bit, but considering software developers are currently at the "vibecoded javascript" stage, there's probably little hope
>>109521439Start menu is a web app too.
>>109515177how is it even possible for curryjeetOS to need 50GB on boot with zero programs installed?
>>109514006fucking hell. the jew were right about goyim
>>109513881Webslop is the worst thing to ever happen to computing
>>109521516>>109520827yes little guy I understand your doodle perfectlyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_DfCFHOD9E
