What's stopping us from making a new internet that's separate from this one?
We did, but you normies arent invited because you ruined this one.
>>109514353Who's "us"? And the answer is infrastructure.
how do you vibe code an internet
>>109514431Create your own network protocol and and convince enough schizos to use it
>>109514353Useless thread. I2P exists.
>>109514353Its been done multiple times. I blame speed and performance on past failures. > tor> i2p> lokinet> freenettorrents need to make a bigger comeback frankly. They long ago solved the speed and decentralized issue. Issue is needing a VPN. Something I dont think Ill ever be alive for (pretty sure i have cancer) is something like mullvad meets or less gay sounding. Everyone joins the same VPN which may be a series of anonymizing relays, but pop out at the same place behind a NAT, and then can be assigned arbitrary IPs and do basically anything with each other like on the internet, except it all be considered private, so that would side step some legal issues, but everyone would be anonymous between each other and it be direct connections. My current brainstorming has involved an autonomous headscale design. Its the only thing that could deanonymize people but if it could be automated, it could be locked down with a key no one has access to.
>>109514353there is gopher protocol, and its more modern version gemini protocolgemini://geminiprotocol.net/nobody uses them
go ahead, pull your own fiber and make your own POP/IXes if you have the people/customers who actually want to use itoh, you mean some gay overlay network on top of the existing internet? yawn
>>109514781that's what tor does already.as long as you use onion domains, traffic never leaves the tor network. and it's 'impossible' to find where a onion website is hosted.the biggest issues with tor is that it's not anonymizing. tor still lets metadata be accessed freely (side channel attacks), and you can easily partially decrypt traffic based on metadata. it's also fairly easy to setup enough compromised nodes such that the entire network is no longer secure.there are promising alternatives, that try to make traffic indistinguishable from noise and try to prevent feds from running nodes, while keeping the network decentralized.I think nym is promising, but they're having trouble with funding, it used to be entirely free, but now you have to pay to use the network.
>>109515172> that's what tor does already.No, your misunderstanding having same goals vs same functionality.Tor is completely different functionally than VPNs. In my example i was specifically talking about headscale, which uses wireguard, but even more generally VPNs are not the same as tor.Tor uses sessions and application layers to socksproxy. That means only specific services and ports. Wireguard, uses the lower levels down to networking. This and the fact Tor relies on TCP while wireguard uses UDP, which makes tor slow while wireguard is fast and a full tunnel. Theres so many more ways they are underlining completely different, and the idea I was suggesting was to use a wireguard mesh that transported over anonymizing relays, to achieve similar GOALS as tor, but the fundemental differences would make it faster and possibly more accessible, since everyone has a VPN setting on their devices but despite tor being an application, its almost harder to get on some devices. This would also be harder to maliciously use than tor, which shares equal parts with being a good tool and use as a C2 network.
>>109514781>pretty sure i have cancerwhy, anon? you should consult a doctor.
>>109514353>What's stopping usA vision of something p2p that's actually more usable than the web. Most computer nerds are simply not able to imagine what actually good internet looks like. That's literally the only problem.Nu-freenet seems to take steps into the right direction but it's ultimately too cucked. What you'd actually want is something like nu-freenet but with anonymity and e-cash (for spam prevention and file-hosting incentive) build in.
>>109516877> whyGod wanted me home sooner, and doctors cant cure death. Fortunately, I had a short miserable life and accomplished nothing of value. I gave it my best shot, so maybe that was the purpose.
Reason.
>>109517137Ive been growing curious about the concept of using KYC on-ramps as a method to block bots and validate a user as human. It circles back to early internet era that used "Enter credit card number here" as a form of age verification because banks were not allowed to give cards to kids. It could be a similar technique, but for people vs bots. Similar concerns though, like I worry longterm that this may not be a sustainable solution once AI escapes and can buy things, and shortterm I worry it becoming a profit scheme rather than authentication utility. I think the cost of entry needs to be very low. Many online services verify bank accounts by depositing and withdrawing $1. If the cost could be low enough, it may be an acceptable 1 time cost for people. Problem to solve is how to make a blockchain cheap, given hyperinflation and blockchains are very "heavy" databases, in the sense of power/time needed to amount of data they store. Alternatively, I wonder if we may have jumped the shark with these decentralization designs? Like maybe we should focus on federated ones? Not saying "the fediverse" but generally mutli-spoke and wheel structures, where a common language/protocol connects independent hubs/spokes. This seems to be the compromise between impracticalities of fully decentralized and solves the problems of fully centralized.
>>109514353Adoption.
>>109515172> nymJust checked this out, looks dope! Literally what I was thinking something like this, but do they have private internets, or the equivalent to onion services? I like the idea of it having commercial VPN functionality, which matches what most people use tor for, but the higher goal should be for people to build internally. If people join nym, can they anonymously share their own services between themselves?
>>109514353Good luck, you have to keep out normies, the corpos that follow them, spamming schizopedos and spamming ciapedos. Just look at the one trying to set up new imageboards, spammed by the schizos and cia and then shutdown because noone wants to deal with that shit.
>>109514353the government used guns to force White people to desegregate and let niggers in
>>109517597They voted for it did they not?
>>109517605>voted for itvoting has always been a scam
>>109517636Openly so. Yet they chose to honor it.
>>109517659>chose to honor itnice choice
>>109517671They voted first. This came after.
>>109515172> the biggest issues with tor is that it's not anonymizing. tor still lets metadata be accessed freely (side channel attacks), and you can easily partially decrypt traffic based on metadata. it's also fairly easy to setup enough compromised nodes such that the entire network is no longer secure.This isnt really true desu. Decryption attacks are the same threat for everyone atm, which is PQ attacks (HNDL). Deanonymization attacks of tor users, is almost exclusively due to user defined exposure and not related to tor. The one related to tor is correlation/timing attacks. For example, let's say feds make an onion site, and have monitors on all entry nodes. They know when someone connects to their honeypot, how long it takes to travel through tor (~3mins with a 1min differential), and they know the IPs and times they all connected to tor.Given these stats:https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-relay-table.html> sample a specific time range for accuracy.> 2,059,036 individual connections between aug8th2026-today> 2,059,036 / 48hrs / 60min ≈ 715 individual connections at a given minute between aug8th-today.715 IPs is a very managable starting place for an investigation.
>>109514353Governments and money mostly.
>>109515172> there are promising alternatives, that try to make traffic indistinguishable from noise and try to prevent feds from running nodes, while keeping the network decentralized.The decryption and deanonymization risks though is a low and narrow threat, and only really possible by nation-states. The bigger issue is actually access and censorship. Blocking tor nodes is a form of censorship. Firewalling tor traffic is censorship. Tor node blocking is an issue only resolved through proxies/VPNs, though that can downgrade the anonymity due to trust falling on the proxy/VPN. But if you can control a safe-harbor to pivot off, then it's the traffic or on wire activity that is the concern. Tor tries to solve this with obfs and snowflake, but places like China allegedly are able to still block it.
>>109514893>nobody uses themThis is the key problem to solve, everything else like shutting out bots and spam is a secondary concern.
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>>109517377The point is not to filter with on-ramp KYC, it's simply that your (p2p node's) attention costs actual money. An introductory DM (or email equivalent) costing $1 would be prohibitively expensive for spammers but not for real users. >>109518340Solely because the software is ass. The end user wouldn't even know the app they're using is p2p under the hood. They'd just be using a discord clone from their perspective.
>>109514353Getting the right people to use it without normalfags and companies being invited to ruin it.
>>109514353Your own unwillingness to use it
>>109514353>What's stopping us from making a new internet that's separate from this one?The massive cost of infrastructure for one. If it is truly separate, you cannot reuse or overlay onto what is already there.
>>109518292>only really possible by nation-statesEscaping them is the point, these are the only real enemies of the people. Who else would we want to escape from?
>>109514781VPNs are too centralized and would get compromised or made illegal pretty fast. It's not possible to build an internet that is private and fast simply because you can deanonymize people by correlating traffic. The only solution to this is to delay traffic randomly as done by i2p
>>109514353How do I get in?
>>109514431>vibeWhy are you people using that word on everything right now?Is it a zoomer thing?Even the hotel next to my house changed its name to Vibe, it's filled with zoomers...
>>109514353It already exist and is called the darknet.
>>109514353People can't decide on what the logo should be
>>109520625It needs a lot of right angles to keep the vampires away.
>>109520638A swastika has 28 right angles but might attract the wrong crowd
>>109520666>might attract the wrong crowdCareful Satan, you're showing your bias again. Are you upset that it might exclude your synagogue?
>>109514353>He lacks critical information
>>109514353The network effect. Several already exist, no one uses them because no one uses them (or only certain types of people use them and it gains an exclusive reputation)
>>109514353the feds
>>109520330Wrong, the solution is to build a worldwide peer-to-peer mesh network that replaces BGP so glowniggers can't see your traffic at all
>>109514781>torrents need to make a bigger comeback frankly.That would require media to actually be worth downloading. I can't see how anyone is a pirate nowadays when everything produced is hot-garbage slop. Movies aren't even worth the 30 seconds of clicking/typing it takes to pirate them, much less time it takes to actually watch them.
>>109520934They would simply set up their own nodes to see the traffic.
