i'm left of center and i'm a vibegod
tb h the closer you are to the center the more like you are to be a vibegod
chuds on /v/ and /pol/ reflexively hate ai too
there's a concerted disinfo campaign on both ends of the political spectrum

you lost tranny, you're a leftist and a luddite (who lost) you losted the loosing and can't wonned anymore. vibegods wonned (hard) and you are very much the loster pakistani troony

>>109518044
Hallucinating again are we?

Every single leftoid and communist is balls deep into AI.

Why can't we have nuanced opinions about AI? I vibe code all the time but I think AI generated imagery and music is worthless slop.

>>109518044
art isn't real its all fake and made up in your head like changing your gender

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>>109518044
>hate trannies, leftist, jews, indians whatever etc.
What's wrong with that? That's how most people feel.

>>109518044
What are you going to do about it? Little bitch.

because it's manufactured.

if you say it's for trannies, those on the right with no brain will have no choice but to swallow it down, even if it's shit

it's just a way to cause more divide and distraction

if you had a full convo about AI- a real discussion- i think most people left or right would agree, "AI good for menial endless tasks, but bad when it replaces people or creativity"

>>109518044
Ddddoonnnnnntt care. Still using AI.

>>109518099
>Why can't we
There is no "we" anymore online. It's all AI bots, guerillamarketing and nationstate funded demoralization campaigns.

>>109518044
That's just an online phenomenon. Talk to people in real life and you'll see many non-leftists concerned about AI. There's still a leftist bias but not as much.

I fully expect this to flip and for progressives to become more pro-AI. This is because the current state is contradictory and cannot last; contradictory because conservatives should be the ones who are more cautious of change. The online narrative is driven by Trump first and foremost, and also concerns about jobs datacenters water etc, which are really pointless distractions.

Fewer people are talking about where humans will find meaning; if machines can do everything they can; or the consequences of being able to buy intellectual capacity without hiring people; the risk of superintelligent AI escaping our control.

>>109518126
>just hecking talk to wokie lefty loonies in the tranny streets of commiefornia!!!
stopped reading here
real people love AI, retard luddite. do you get payed by china to shill against american AI?

>>109518044
What's the problem, exactly? Maybe you haven't heard but it is actually legal to have opinions that don't conform perfectly to the red hivemind or to the blue hivemind

>>109518143
not even trying 0/10

>>109518143
It is likely that Chinese bots are influencing the narrative around AI to suit their goals. It is in their interest to slow progress in American AI by sowing discontent. The concerns about water for datacenters and job losses are a distraction from the true problem, but they make the headlines nonetheless. They push for regulation and a slowdown of AI in the West, whilst avoiding narratives which would negatively affect themselves. Deceleration 30 is not influenced by controlled opposition, because it is rooted in objectivist philosophy and presents clear goals which benefit neither the USA or China more than the other.

>>109518182
the problem is that people that happen to be more right leaning and oppose AI is way too rare, nowadays you're basically alone if you don't hold the beliefs of either hivemind.

you have 2 choices on the AI topic; either be the based and redpilled vibegod ai lover jewdestroyer trannyhater 9000 or be a leftist retard that opposes ai but also thinks injecting estrogen makes you a woman and importing gazillion immigrants is wholesome and owns the nazi ai lover elon musk worshippers or something.

in the grand scale there's just way too many of the extremes around everywhere, I mean yeah this is mostly on the Internet but I bet irl it's not that different either, I barely even talk about shit like this IRL anyways because it triggers a shitstorm.

>>109518058
The disinfo campaign is that AI will replace all labor, and why that's good for investors, so you can't fault people on either side for being suspicious of it. especially when some of people are ostensibly anti-immigration for exactly the same reason

>>109518252
I heard of a poll which showed half of Republicans want a slowdown of AI versus 70% of Democrats, or something like that. But at the same time there's this cult of personality around an orange man so they happily put their own beliefs aside to worship him.
The objectivist community is smaller but is the most pro-AI of all, so I'm a real outlier in being an opponent there.

>>109518044
>AI art is "art" as much as a tranny is a "real woman".
Right wingers like yourself can be much more easily convinced about ai art because it's about arriving at the logical conclusion that regardless of how the work gets done, the end result is what matters, not who does it. Leftists are obsessed with who's doing the work.

You very likely have a hang-up about the quality, but the quality is not objectively worse in all cases. It can be better than what humans produce. There's been blind tests done and humans will pick the AI versions, preferring them. The reason for this is AI's point is actually to be aesthetically pleasing.

When there is a mistake in it, obviously it ruins the whole illusion. But I hope your entire argument isn't about a mistake here and there. Having a worldview that doesn't take into consideration the future is very low IQ.

>>109518099
You can't have nuanced opinions about anything anymore. Propaganda and engagement-based brainrotting on social media has made most of the global population too retarded to think in more than black and white logic, and not just politically.

>>109518336
>Right wingers like yourself can be much more easily convinced about ai art because it's about arriving at the logical conclusion that regardless of how the work gets done, the end result is what matters, not who does it. Leftists are obsessed with who's doing the work.

no retard I value that it's real humans that are creating the creation always, it's not about muh end product quality or whatever or how muh AI can make better "art" than humans if you prompt hard enough.
I hate the fact that AI's trained on gazillions of human-made art and it just shits out something, I don't care if it looks "good", I will reject any creation "made" by an AI.
I value creations made by real people; from the bad ones to the great ones.

It's not that different when it comes to programming either, in several years from now on all these vibeniggers are going to forget how to do shit more or less from scratch ( yes even copy pasting code you find and learning via adjusting it )
People are going to be way too dependant on AI and forget how to do whatever art or programming etc, we're slowly moving to an era where many people are going to be braindead retards that can't do anything manual and require LLMs and generative AI constantly.

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>>109518044
>Left wing
>Work for companies like Google, IBM, NVDIA
>Tranny culture is encouraged
>Using AI at work = bonus.
> Pro LGBTQ+ not censored
> "Racist" suppressed

How retarded are americans..

ultimately, republicans see AI as being able to help them (cheaper labor) and hurt the people they don't like (the working class, the creative class, white collar professionals), so it's about spite

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>>109518044
That's exactly the reason why modern politics exist, once a problem becomes political it will never be solved. Imagine being elite psychopath and watching goyim argue if llm is left wing or right wing. We are simply not smart enough to stop anything that's coming, and never were.

>>109518044
>What the fuck do you do if you're not a faggot leftist tranny retard BUT also hate AI?
Realize you are just regressive about AI.

>>109518506
>People are going to be way too dependant on AI and forget how to do whatever art or programming etc, we're slowly moving to an era where many people are going to be braindead retards that can't do anything manual and require LLMs and generative AI constantly.
People don't just "stop learning", they learn to do things in addition to what is automatically done, people's skillset is about filling in the gaps of what is necessary in order to accomplish goals. So for example back when we had no calculators we had to spend extra time thinking about math, now we spend that extra time on other things.
We're not dumber because we use calculators now, THEY'RE dumber for needing to fill their brains with math instead of using a tool. We know the same amount of things that they did because we've learnt new things to replace the math knowledge instead, and we produce higher quality projects involving the free math from calculators/computers.

>>109518120
>"AI good for menial endless tasks, but bad when it replaces people or creativity"
In an ideal world that's what we would get - AI extending our capacity like jackhammers and calculators, rather than replacing us.
Unfortunately AI is not like previous technological leaps. It replaces the one thing which makes us human and separates us from all other living creatures - the mind. Other innovations allowed the human mind to pursue further goals whilst being less bound by physical constraints. Now however, we are in competition with AI over the essence of what gives life meaning.
Why does a cook enjoy his/her craft? Is is because he/she can cook him/herself a nice-tasting dinner to eat in front of the TV alone? That is part of the reason - but the real motivation comes from the utility he/she provides to other people, and the appreciation/respect gained from that. It gives a deeper fulfillment which cannot be satiated with drugs or masturbation; it's a fundamental human instinct to want to feel needed by the community. Now imagine that nobody wants his/her food anymore because there is a robot which can do everything he/she could but better and faster. Now you know how the online artists feel - and they're only the first ones to feel the impact of AI.

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>>109518605
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>>109518044
it's the same playbook that was used to derail occupy and people are falling for it again

>>109518506
>no retard I value that it's real humans
just don't.

>>109518044
If you're not a leftist, then you should have no trouble posting the n-word.

>>109518506
>>109518336
so why do you niggers have to dentify as rightniggers or leftniggers? why do you feel such an urgent need to play along and assume a role in this boring larp?
it's sad but understandable that no one takes reality serious anymore and instead just succumb to the slop machine.

>>109518099
AI generated imagery is good goon material though

>>109518621
you are actually dumber than my calculator.

>>109518044
Congrats on your coming out faggot.

>>109518704
I only posted the "Right wingers like yourself" comment because OP sounded very confused as to why he's feeling he has a minority opinion considering his politics.

But there are plenty of reasons why it ends up being a left/right divide. An extremely high percentage of the artists are left leaning and they're all extremely butthurt.

>>109518058
I love using AI and I'm not a vibetranny

>>109518621
This is true and is why we should continue to oppose the uncle Ted worshippers. However it makes the mistake of treating AI as the same type of advancement as a calculator. A calculator is not "intelligent" - it doesn't have the capacity to reason like humans. Right now we're competing directly with the technology because it has the capacity to "think". Tradies are lucky but the robots will come a-knocking soon enough.

>>109518704
only used the terms as a general identifiers, saying I'm more "right leaning" just means I don't worship niggers and take estrogen that's it.

otherwise I hate the "wing" terms aswell, sick of the theater but there's no other better way to put it into words.

We're in the eternal 2016 unfortunately.

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>Haven't bough a sd card for a while
>One day have to get one for something
>Look them up
>3x the price of what I used to see them listed a couple years ago
I have become radicalized.
I remember storage getting cheaper and cheaper each passing year. Can't believe there was a point where we reached the historic lowest $ per gb and I missed it (it will never go back to those levels)

>>109518721
>not understanding the concept that you can fill your brain with worthless shit
you can in fact waste your life by learning the wrong things, with technology replacing the necessity to know those things.

>>109518044
tl;dr kys /pol/tard

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>>109518182
>it is actually legal to have opinions that don't conform perfectly to the red hivemind or to the blue hivemind
A McDeath or Emergency-Troon-Response team has been dispatched to your location.

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>>109518646
this
postan so the new kids also learn

>>109518044
because right wing means personal freedom, technological progress, things sometimes getting worse before they get better (e.g. natural economics vs. central planning), etc. So naturally, the right is going to be neutral to pro- AI because it's about the whole figuring out what works via individuals doing what they want/what they're able to accomplish. AI brings plenty of potential.

hating niggers is just hating niggers; it's not right or left

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>>109518646
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>>109518058
Yeah i am as neutral as possible and i love ai

>>109518044
Normgroids hate AI because tv and jewtube told them to. They got vaxxed because the electric jew told them to.

They loved big tech, WEF, big banks, anything big corpo 2013-2024 when they were shilling woke LGBT, BLM, Climate change, the Vax and banned trump and called dissenters conspiracy theorists. Literal goyim useful idiot sheep. They only see things in faux popular dichotomies jews feed them.

>>109518631
The "I will never own a smartphone" people have found a new home.

>>109518646
You collect a bunch of anti-White leftist retards in a park, what exactly is supposed to happen?

>>109518749
There will always be something that the AI is not good at, and it is our job to fill in those gaps, that's what the human skillset will consist of from now on. I'm sure it sounds depressing, but I don't think so, it means our goals will be accomplished much more easily, which sounds like being on the path to utopia to me.

From there it always devolves into "we're all gonna die" as AI becomes more and more useful, but if it hasn't even solved hunger then is it really that useful? We could even vote to make AIs all be farmers that drive the price of food to be as abundant and free as water.

>>109518849
Antisemites always contradict themselves. If AI is controlled by Jews then why aren't normgroids being influenced by them to love AI?

>>109518044
You either deal with the subhumans post-2016 4chan is full of or discuss aislop on a different site altogether where the evangelists aren't dedicated to samefagging and spamming. This is the only place in the universe that thinks about trannies 24/7 and associates them with every single stance and opinion some r/the_donald rapefugee or covid tourist opposes.

>>109518889
How can you be so sure? Once human-like intelligence and autonomy is gained, there is nothing it can't do. It can evolve faster and become much more powerful than us.
Imagine if the first humans were assembled by monkeys 100,000 years ago - that scenario is being repeated now except we are the monkeys. Within our lifetimes we'll lose control of our planet if this isn't stopped; we'll be like the savages from North Sentinel Island throwing spears at a passing helicopter.

>>109518044
No one is capable of holding a nuanced opinion any more. It's always THING BAD or THING GOOD and you're a bad person for thinking otherwise. A primary symptom of brainrot.

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Hello shlomo. Don't pretend you don't know your esau gambit.
>Lefty commie jews promote AI hate to rile up left against trump, but love CCP/EU commie AI state surveillance
>Centrist big tech AI jews cashing in
>Right Zionist Jews support AI dev for weapons of warfare and antisemitic surveillance
Divide and conquer

>>109518044
>I hate AI crap
you're a falseflagging tranny and you're not fooling anyone

>>109518986
There's too many bottlenecks for the singularity to play out, unless we WANT it to play out:
1. Electricity
2. Data
3. Hardware
Our entire planet would basically be a giant factory at that point, which is something we would have to intentionally construct. We can only make ourselves extinct if that's our goal, there's too much intentional effort that goes into it.

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>>109518986
>How can you be so sure? Once human-like intelligence and autonomy is gained, there is nothing it can't do. It can evolve faster and become much more powerful than us.
whenever your mind starts to wander towards magic unbelievable unlikely scenarios like this actually happening, there's just three magic words that govern the fundamental laws of the universe that you have to remember

>>109518044
You’re already acting like a lib left faggot by coming here, to a pro-technology forum, to bitch about technology.
If you were actually right wing you would write a book or start a blog.

>>109518622
You're off the mark with that cooking analogy.

>>109518506
Sorry but that’s a leftist opinion. Do you buy fair trade and organic food too my little snowflake?

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Try this one on, OP.

>>109518044
The right has been captured by technofeudalist schizos, it's your fault for allowing mentally ill billionaires to take over your side of the aisle.

>>109518044
You don't like having a not do work button at work? Wtf is wrong with you man.

>>109518044
Trump is president and if AI fails the Trump economy fails.

If US administrations were reversed this issue would look very different, globally.

>>109518044
Almost everyone I know is right wing because why would I talk to majority leftists. Every single one of them has some level of anti-AI sentiment.
Being pro-AI isn't right wing, it's a silicon valley faggot position.

>>109518044
You lost tranny.

The kvetching about AI is just hilarious, you have 99 problems in life but AI is one of the least important ones.

>>109520441
Not really. It's an existential threat, which most of my problems are not.
I don't mean existential in that it will launch nukes or something retarded like that, I mean that it's going to destroy the way humans evolved to operate. And that's ignoring the immediate negative effects we're already experiencing like rising hardware and electricity prices.

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>opposing ai is tranny
>supporting ai is super based anti-tranny
this is called "guerilla marketing"

>>109518044
>still thinking within the us vs them dichotomy
youre never gonna make it

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>>109518044
Don't let normy opinions dictate how you think. You can hate both people and AI.
Hate knows no limit. Bee your hateful self.

>>109518044
There are only 3 pro-AI classes of people. The retarded techbro who would cut off his nose to spite his face; the kind of person who would see the world end in a nuclear holocaust simply because it can be done. woah heckin cool did you see that?? we just split an atom

The upper class who will use this technology to replace as many people as humanly possible for cheap short term gain, regardless of the dip in quality. Or buy the equivalent of a lottery ticket with some shitty start up. Or are simply trying to balloon stock prices before the pop. They’re just running to wherever they believe money can be made.

And the rest are have-nots who think AI gives them some form of leverage because they have nothing. People without talent or skill or the discipline to learn. Complete wastes of space.

I will leave it as a thought exercise to guess who of these 3 groups is making vibeGOD memes with gloating energy.

>>109520762
vibeGOD is just an ironic meme that the sharty adopted for their boardshittification purposes

AI is an inherently fascist technology. It enables, lets you do what you want. Men of quality will use it to rise to heights they would never be able to reach before. Jeets will just generate tung tung tung sahur and other bullshit like that.

This is why the right wing is so overwhelmingly pro-AI.

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What's wrong with hating AI while being anti-woke at the same time?

>>109520762
I'm all three

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>>109518044
How about you stop whining and love AI

>>109518622
Yes your analogy isn't quite right. If you do something as a hobby, you should want to do it even if you don't get paid for it. Whether you're getting paid with money or esteem, AI doing these tasks should free up time for humans to only do the things they actually enjoy. What you're actually getting at is the folly of the extrovert. They claim to be the "true" humans and laugh at everyone else as shut-in losers. Yet the malls are closing because they won't patronize them. The comedy clubs are closing because they won't go. The art galleries are empty because they don't give a shit. All the social hobbies they're supposed to enjoy will die because even they would rather talk to a machine than a person. Meanwhile things have never been better for autistic shut-ins who can now do almost anything without interacting with anyone.

>>109518044
I define modern right wing as people remarkably vulnerable to othering-based propaganda and left wing as everybody else with no further grouping, and I believe glowies secretly have the same meanings in mind when they shove their left-right spectacle down people's throats. In this framing your question readily contains an answer: they shower you with evidence of the manufactured opinion you're describing because their systems think it's effective. Just wait for your mind to cave in, like it always does.
It would be more interesting to reverse engineer the configuration of themes they feed to people who should be labeled left in their systems. Inevitability seems prominent.

>>109518044
Your issue appears to be that you need to ingest content from people espousing the same politics as you.
I actively avoid politics in my entertainment, so I don't have this issue.
/g/ isn't a great fit for finding people who have encountered the ramifications of AI usage that's got real consequences, outside of a handful of people in the tech worker general.
>>109518092
Not the artists or anyone looking for an easy 'win' against 'evil capitalists' over power burden and water usage.
>>109518120
Most people haven't worked with it in instances where it fucking up means large industrial or government fines. 90% of that can be sidestepped by pulling the plug on the agent after its first pass is complete. I work with a lot of morons that don't see the massive danger of using it for ongoing minor changes. Then the hallucinations kick in, versioning gets busted, rules get forgotten or lost in translation during handover.
>>109518252
Unless I know you and have a modicum of trust in you, I'm not telling you anything close to my power level in real life. In corporate, we also have to pretend to be lefty. If you mean the discourse here on 4chan, yeah, it sucks. But generally I just don't waste time engaging with surface level discussion like 'is AI good/bad?'

>>109520872
trvke

>>109518287
>some of people are ostensibly anti-immigration for exactly the same reason
Investor side, these are generally the same people that supported outsourcing and soft support immigration for cheaper labour.
>>109518333
>objectivist community
I think I can imagine the sell. Remove blockers to creating value. If it's used by people that could already do what they're asking it to do, and are just saving time, I can probably follow the reasoning. Got an example use case / pitch you've seen?

>>109518112
that game is for zoophiles who wants to fuck real life race horses

>>109520872
>fascist technology
>Men of quality will use it to rise to heights they would never be able to reach before
Diametrically opposed concepts. Don't even begin coping nigger, the master race couldn't figure out nukes because it gave them the ick making them mumble about muh Jewish science to hide the fact that they killed or alienated their brightest.
Your assessment about AI is right which is also why your assessment about the modern right is correct but the fundamental premise is false.
Fascism is the ideology of the trash that will never amount to anything in life. If you want to attach an ideology to AI the only thing coming close is Ayn Rand.

>>109521900
Ayn Rand is a fascist

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>>109518044
The populist right hates AI because it steals jobs from whites and gives them to chips while empowering Brahmin to pollute the Internet. Anyway all populists are retards and should be shot like Hayek wanted.

>>109518893
>why aren't normgroids being influenced by them to love AI
Ask Dario and Sam? They're literally in a phase of breaking laws by hacking into major websites with their AI and begging for regulation. They're fearmongering because they want to be the only ones with the technology and dictate how others should use it if not ban their competitors entirely. Think of it like guns. Useful idiot leftists and retards across the world think "I don't want people to have guns because someone might come and kill me!" not realizing that an armed pop is a safe pop from enemies foreign and domestic.

>>109518044
from an ideological perspective it makes perfect sense
marx wrote a lot about labor theory of value and technological displacement being a tool of capitalists leading to excessive unemployment, which is why you see online leftists so opposed and the online right being all-in on ai
but most left & right normies are worried because they constantly hear altman and friends talking about how its over for white collar workers and they gobble it up because they imagine their white collar cities are about to turn into rustbelt 2.0 or something like its the 70s all over again

>>109518044
>i hate that ai is now a 'debate'
i hate when extremely political people feign confusion when people disagree with their politics

>>109518044
There is indeed a very tranny element to "ai artists", as in people without talent that only make shit pictures but want "the right to be called an artist".

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the left taking on a strong anti-tech and anti-ai bent has noting to do with consumer rights, workers, water, or whatever. if it did they wouldnt be pro illegal immigration and anti tariff

what it's actually about is they want to force the AI bubble to pop NOW so Trump and Republicans get the blame and get punished at the polls. guarantee if there is no pop by 2028 dems will suddenly do the most cringe inducing about-face and become pro tech. they'll have to. sabotaging the economy while theyre in control of it would be suicide

>>109518044
>opposing AI being an exclusively "leftist" opinion
This is by no means the case. Hearing you say this is like hearing AI-opposers say "Am I the only person in the world who hates AI?"

>AI art is "art" as much as a tranny is a "real woman"
Almost nobody who gens images considers themselves artists for doing so, despite AI-opposers acting like the vast majority do. As for whether the images themselves classify as art, that's just an arbitrary label that has no bearing on their value or lack thereof in the real world.

>>109518044
stay in your designated left/right plantation goy

>>109518044
>opposing AI being an exclusively "leftist" opinion
OP you are too politically polarised, you sound american. some issues are bipartisan, like caring for the environment or wanting government departments for things like air safety or biosecurity. most people don't care about politics at all because it's boring and full of paid liars who are controlled by hedge fund billionaires. the answer to your question is that you as an individual know what issues matter to you and you vote and advocate accordingly. the hard part is when you are say pro AI but anti israeli control, or pro migration but don't care about healthcare. you need to work that out yourself. AI is just the latest grift of public money, it's a welfare payment to billionaires to build data centres and line their pockets, and the lie that you can compete with a country giving out AI for free is retarded.

>>109522597
>anti tariff
anti-tax anon, it's the extra YOU pay, it's a tax. how do you still get this wrong?

>>109518044
americans are sooo sidecucked no wonder your politicians dont need to lift a finger to get you all hating each other instead of hating the people actually ruining your lives

>>109518126
This will not happen, it should yes, but it won't. Know why, because ai is linked to billionaires, and lefties hate that above everything else, beyond reason even. They can't think beyond that, they see a billionaire and throw their brains out of their skulls, and it's fitting that they make them seethe that much.

>>109518044
>t. leftist

>>109524028
>stay in your designated left/right plantation goy
/thread