now SUNO is dead, where am I supposed to make my chiptune remixes now?luddites not welcome here. AI music is now good. or was before Suno got sued to death.
Check out FL Studio.
Reaper's pretty good, too. But if you want to really get into chiptune, pxtone is a fun daw. Though I'd use the modern (unofficial) version ptCollab.
>>109544446>>109544457I have zero musical talent, can those apps create music from an mp3 that I upload?
>>109544480just start pressing buttons, bro.
What happened?
>>109544506Suno got taken over by Warner music, their current AI model ends in 2 weeks. paid subscribers can only download 20 songs a month. free users can only download 7 songs EVER then no more.the worst part is all their AI models are ending and being replaced with v6 which is a "copyright friendly" model. its trained on Warners music only.
>>109544624That is so fundamentally gay, though the only use I ever got from Suno was making joke songs so I guess nothing of value was lost
>>109544624everything past v5 started sounding sloppy. v4.5 had the most varied sounds between songs
>>1095448654.5 was great for creation, it just sounded so rough and badly mixed. 5.5 fixed the sound quality but killed the creation, for me anyway.
>>109544440>where am I supposed to make my chiptune remixes now?In Cubase.Or if you really want an AI to do everything for you, install ACE-step-1.5 and do it locally.>>109544624>got taken over by Warner music>replaced with v6 which is a "copyright friendly" model>trained on Warners music onlyThis doesn't make sense to me.
>>109544922>doesn't make sense to me.it means anything you create with Suno will be owned by Warner music, and it will be AI watermarked to make sure every other music platform knows this.
>>109544882i think creativity matters more. i still like listening to poor quality cassette tapes of song that are interesting to me. i listened to lots of 5.5 songs from different genres and most of them had the same style intro and same bass sounds
>>109544440>now SUNO is deadwhat happened to sunoor is this 'dite fanfiction
>>1095450104.5 was supposedly the full uncensored model that was trained on all the worlds music, untethered.Suno then brought in 5.0 and 5.5 to please the likes of Sony and Warner with their legal demands, it still wasnt enough.if you plan to use 4.5 for anything best get on with it its dead on September 3rd.
>>109545062i wasn't generating anything with suno, i just liked checking out what people were making. udio might still be around, it was the most creative that i heard before they forced browser DRM to listen to their stuff. treblo seems like it has a good balance of sound quality and sound variance, but i noticed the songs are pretty repetitive. can't wait for local music to finally catch up so i can input songs i like and make it come up with similar ones
>>109545044they sold out to Big Music. its over
>>109544624What if I only generate non pop/rap(e), or other popular slop music gerne?
>>109544624So China really is going to win the AI race? Fascinating.
>>109544440learn to compose
suno 5.5 was kinda ass so this makes sense. the download limit is the most jew thing ive ever seen
Suno have gone into full panic mode by slashing the price of the premier sub by 40%. Users are mass cancelling their subs in disgust
Why so much hate about suno? V6 will be better than older models and you will be able to use and acess them still...lol is this the only ai tool that creates so much reeeeee?Are you poor enought to not have 10 bucks per month? And now you talking big about learning cubase ou fl studio? Yeah lol go for protools even you dumb redditors. This is not the kind of skills toi learn in two weeks lmao fuck off you dumbfucks.
>>109544847I made a whole album about recreational drunk driving
>>109546359Kek you have no idea how cucked v6 will be, its trained on legally available free music only. And all the older models are being removed.
>>109546378Lol no
>>109546385Suno just lost a court case to Warner music and are going to lose against Sony. They both own all the worlds music. The au models cant be he used anymore. Wake the fuck up
>>109546403They dont use my music that I made by farting into ableton and then amping it up with ai tools
>>109546359Idk if you are a shill or just a dumb fuck but its over. We will have to wait for a competitior.
The main Suno problem and what you have to understand is : You cannot generate good music with 2 or 3 generations.Most people on the site have 0 skills, do not care and are not even interested in music creation,BUT the amount of really bad anime electro boom boom songs, awful nightcore tries, disgusting trials at meme music phonk, copy pasted pop music made by braindead retarded golems are in fact a huge problem.Because there is a lot of people out there who make good attemps at creating real original songs and some even do accomplish it...however, doing so requires hundreds of upload/gens/cover/remaster attemps combined and believe it or not, real composition work by real sound engineers and composer before using the AI to polish the job.Most people tend to believe Suno is a meme but it is not when the good kind of people use it, but Suno themselves are to blame for it, pushing the most poopoo caca songs on their main page and this from the start of the site...so most people see a fucking ear rape bad mixed song with an anime girl moving on the miniature and that's it...so you end up with 500 000 views anime/kpop bump techno songs and shitty country/rock music made by degenerate boomers on the verge of death.As long as you can upload a source and work from it you have almost unlimited creation capability, but the plebs assumes that you just click "generate" and you done and this is what hurts Suno the most in my opinion.Warner could as well kill Suno or making it greater than ever...maybe even filter normies out of it for the greater song quality and community good.
Has anyone tried Soundverse AI
>noooooo not my slop generatorLearn how to compose.
>>109544440>AI music is now good.lmao, lol even
You guys should have a look at ACE-step-1.5. It's like Suno but running locally on your own computer, no censorship, no copyright issue, and nobody will come to delete it from your hard disk. The quality is better than the free version of Suno. It works perfectly on my "old" RTX3060, I even got it working on Win7 with prehistoric drivers and cuda version.
>Suno for free trial normies was so cheap to a point they raped the dowload features with the worst songs ever created by mankind.>Generating a good quality song will cost you around 5 to 10$ in credit value sometimes even more.dear oh dear
>>109544440>I don't even know how to figure out what notes are in a i7 in the key of A.>I can't play an instrument>All of my favorite music nigger retard nursery rhymes>AI music is good
>>109544440>AI music is now goodKys retard
>>109546359if not b8 how the fuck would v6 be better if v5 and 5.5 already are worse than 4.5 bc of all the copyright shit
>>109548126>v5 and 5.5 already are worse than 4.5skill issue
>>109548126eh4.5 glitches out more
Have Suno's models leaked anywhere?
AI music isn't music
>food is not food
>>109546339They broke uploading your own music files a few months ago. People were patient but as it became clear that this feature was never going to work again everyone started canceling. It's basically the main thing of value to anyone paying to use Suno who isn't a spamming pajeet.
>>109546376I want to hear Cruisin' with a Buzz but searching Suno it doesn't come up. not public?
>>109546635>doing so requires hundredsskill issue. I found that it took more like 5-10 and at most 20 generations to get what I wanted most of the time. The feature that let you snip a lyric and change/correct it was really great even though the interface was ass.
>>109546376Its a shame that leftists hate fun so much
>>109547483>ACE-step-1.5.What kind of interface do I have to work with if running this locally? I'm not entering lyrics via terminal
>>109548189Hopefully their rock vocal models never leak because every male singer sounded like an absolute faggot and made it useless to generate an entire genre.
>>109544440>AI music is now good.No it's not.
>>109544440MiniMax released a music model today, sounds a bit worse than suno but the weights are published and it will probably be tuned quite well for particular things.
UDIO MOGS
>>109548627It's like Stable Diffusion, you launch it then you open "http://127.0.0.1:7860/" in your browser and you have a web interface as if it was a website except that it's running locally.Then you click "initialize", you wait a few seconds for it to load everything, you enter your description, if you want you can load a song as example and set how much you want it to get inspired from it, or generate a prompt from it to copy its style, you have it generate lyrics or you enter your own, then you click "generate" and it generates two versions of the song.
>>109548692China can't stop winning
>>109548866ok so you're saying it has a web interface, thanks
>>109548871I respect the Chinese and their AI contributions and also like them in many ways but if there's one thing I do not want to hear it is their AI for MUSIC GENERATION. This is not their lane. The Russians could probably nail it though.
>>109548427Art is not food you fucking fatass. Art is a form of communication. Just as a book conveys the author's ideas, so too does a song or picture.Nothing is communicated from an AI-generated song. It would be fine if it didn't imitate something that it's not. You don't understand why it matters when a painting is a forgery.
>>109548427You’re so fat you eat computers?
The only way to have a company that can offer SaaS with AI music would be to train your model on 78 rpm records. You just have to create the interest for vaudeville songs, blues and ragtime.
>>109548989he is noobishrandom gen while rearranging these lyrics>>>/wsg/6207803this is what you will run into if you pursue that model, my observations>>109551879
version 3.5 was my favorite, because they were not scanning lyrics yetthis was the closest i got to completely replicating a hit song, i couldnt figure out how to get major lazers synth solo in it thoughhttps://files.catbox.moe/mdka3j.mp3
>>109548692I am already making bangers with it. But I cannot get good outros...fade out time so lame.
>>109547483Minimax just came out with a music model that beats it
>>109553266We'll see. It shows promise but the knowledge of styles is limited when it should be the most important thing in a music model, you need to distinguish between Death Core Metal and Death Turbo Metal immediately.For singing lyrics I think it does a very good job.
>>109546874>>109546896luddite seethe
>>109553782You genuinely enjoy this slop? Seriously.
>>109553803stay mad lad
>>109544440Pray someone makes a good finetune from open source models. Hailuo released an open source music model literally just a day ago but apparently it's not that great. Honestly I never liked AI music models. It veered to generic sounds all the time and trying to make it create something unique was really difficult unless you were feeding it your own samples.
3.0 was peak svolThe technical quality of the outputs did steadily improve but 3.0 would hallucinate a lot of little flourishes that made the songs feel more human-like. 4.5 adding the ability to steer an entire song was probably the most important development. But 5.0 and on even though the steerability and overall output quality improved everything started feeling very "same song". It would lean very heavily into certain motifs that were overly familiar sounding. In technical neural network training models, 5.0 and onward are completely over-fit to the point that its out-of-distribution performance is hurt.
>>109553814You dont enjoy it either? Then why are you mad at 'da luddites'?
>>109553570>Death Core Metal and Death Turbo Metal immediately.what a retard generation all of you zoomers++.made a fkn encyclopedia of 'genres' and all of them are slop.then they say 'how come ai models are slop?'.garbage in garbage out.
>>109544440>now SUNO is deadF. This fucking sucks. suno was one of the best AI tools ever made. I'm so tired of jews fucking ruining everything. These kike retards are unbearable. Sending out emails to all your paying customers about being able to only download 20 songs a month is so fucking stupid. https://suno.com/@mysterydiver - I made some fucking good ones fells.
>>109546376post the fucking sauce nigga. this is my jam. >>109546635>You cannot generate good music with 2 or 3 generations.skill issue.
this one is coolhttps://suno.com/song/f34e1f39-10aa-4fb6-a7c1-e340e36e32e3
Might as well share something since we're all herehttps://suno.com/song/d094445b-9dc4-45c5-85bc-c6e6179d4f8f
>>109553266>MinimaxCan it be used locally? I had a look but I only found the website similar to suno with a few free credits and paid plans, not a github to install it.
>>109554228Maybe you should look better
Can these audio AI thinguies be used to only improve my music, apply a better mix and mastering but keep everything else intact? Like "Here is my trance track, only improve the mix and mastering so it sounds as good as Armin Van Buren".
theres too much good real music out there to be spending time listening to ai musiceven if it sounds okay it's just pointless, it's like listening to whale sounds or listening to bird chirping
>>109554266> t autist.
>>109554260Yeah. With the paid version of Suno you can upload samples up to 30 minutes long.
r8https://suno.com/s/p3HLEDhgrBgqvhpT
Was Boom Boom Tel-Aviv made with Suno?
>>109554303Conceptually I like what you have going on there. It fucked up your vocal instructions a few times but that's not your fault.Something like that instrumental portion at 3:39 would have made for a sick lead-in. It would be the perfect attention grabber and tone setter for a naïve listener.
>>109554260you can get ai mastering. ai mixing isn't really possible because to mix properly you need multitracks. ai mastering is eqing, some spatial stuff and harmonics to make it FAT.it won't sound as good as AVB because he knows what he is doing and pays people to make it sound good.
>>109554260Not really, the results are subpar, even for amateur standards
>>109544440Why are you so afraid of learning things? Scared that the jews will give you the Epstein treatment if they realize you don't depend on them?
>>109554458>>109555196Too bad. That would be a fair use of AI.Anyway, how does it work, you give it a file and you ask it to only "improve" it?
>>109555880VST plugin
>>109554260Yes, that's the difference between you and AVB, just the mixing and mastering.
>>>/wsg/6188801
>>109553944I'm not glad to say it but China is our only hope
>>109544480Apply yourself retard, it isn't hard
>>109556690>I'm not glad to say it but China is our only hopethe only ones standing up to the kike manace.
>>109544440AI slop is not and will never be good. Cope, seethe, and kill yourself.
might as well burn my account out
>>109544440Minimax Music 3 is now local. Mogs Suno, is on par with Udio but it requires you not be a brainlet when prompt engineering ithttps://files.catbox.moe/8au6uh.mp3
>>109556690>>109557352How does generating shitty copycat music help anybody? Doesn't it degrade the concept of working to hone a skill? Do the Chinese allow their citizens unlimited AI goon-banks?
>>109560154>How does generating shitty copycat music help anybodyLook at the top 100 charts, then ask yourself that question buddy.>Doesn't it degrade the concept of working to hone a skillAI has more skill than the humans you're defending. I like certain kinds of music, and with AI I can curate my taste. Lol about working to "hone a skill". Capitalism doesn't care how the music is made, it's what created the conditions for AI to exist.
>>109560135>is on par with UdioNot even close when it comes to rock music. Show me Minimax Music 3 doing a DEVO pastiche this convincing:https://files.catbox.moe/w0jpum.mp3
>>109560811You know, it's only a matter of time before the model gets reference songs and LoRA training now that it's local. Not saying it can't do it, but without the actual prompt metadata (which you don't have, because Udio hides that from its users) it'd be impossible to attempt recreating it in Minimax.
>>109560982I don't mean recreating that exact song, I just mean literally any rock style from the 70s through 90s that doesn't accidentally use electronic dance rhythms, autotuned sounding singing, or other things that make it sound like total slop.Here's another one that comes amazingly close to vintage Jesus Lizardhttps://files.catbox.moe/swtl39.mp3
>>109560811man I hate nu udio. lmaoahhhhhhanyway, nobody's going to make the dentists and lawyers happy like big fake titty and leather seat car.
>>109561072I'm dicking around in Udio right now for the first time in 2 years and it's still better than anything else I've seen
>>109561023Nah, it can do them with prompt engineeringThis one was for 80s rockhttps://files.catbox.moe/w5tatd.wavThis one for Jap shoegazehttps://files.catbox.moe/hnscm9.wavIf you have trouble getting the voices to sound distorted or different you can try adding kws like "reverb" and such to the vocal which can be controlled directly.
>>109561074Minimax is prompted in a very specific way, you're going to have an easier time prompting Udio as a beginner to these models, but all of its gens can be recreated with Minimax. I recommend checking this prompt guide https://huggingface.co/spaces/multimodalart/minimax-music3-prompting-guide
>>109561080Can I upload my own recording to Udio and have it use it as a reference?
>>109561074Yes, but, counterpoint, you're stupid.
>>109561080The shoegaze one was actually pretty convincing, but the "80s rock" one is still off. The drum pattern is too simple, the vocal melody is too stiff and poppy, the riff has no play to it. Compare to something like this and it's still so far awayhttps://files.catbox.moe/lodzng.mp3>>109561094I'll mess with the "style families" parameter and see if that works>>109561105In theory yes but I've tried and it just returns an error, might need to pay for it
>>109561105That's not Udio, that's Minimax Music 3 which is open source. You won't be able to upload refs yet, but eventually you will.
>>109561080>wavlmao why
devo, by the way, is such garbage as to be unlistenable.
>>109561141oh look, it's a guy who has never listened to Devo.
>>109561157I just loaded "best of devo" on yt. Couldn't make it through one song, utter trash. Whuffs wrangwidchu
>>109561162Here you go, bud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UKtZwWLMp8
RIP Suno, I made a full visual album and loved mixing irl samples with ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zQD0Kizizo
we're past peak ai since its now in the overregulation phase. plebs are worried about it, the bubble is about to pop, china is delivering results for cheaper, chatgpt and anthropic arent sure how to achieve profit beyond "agi coming bro". it sucks because it can be capable of more but USA/EU will choke it with regulations. we must look to china
>>109561218If you're going to be stupid, at least be a woman that's really hot.
>>109561218China releasing the open weighted models is probably the only way the west probably can enjoy it to its fullest extent now. It's borderline impossible to fully regulate unless the kike US companies pressure distributors to cut off outputs from specific models. And even then there'll be ways around that I bet too.
>>109544440how exactly is suno dead, worked fine for me few days ago
>>109561252the same way google ai search is dead. They greatly increased its stupidity.
>>109544624wooooow thats lame i made some amazing music, this is so lame, i made truly some amazing music
Suno employees please release weights and source code. You got acquired so you will all be fired anyway.
>>109561293they could face prison.
>>109561080>>109561122Here is early 90s "Noise Rock / Post-Hardcore" from Minimax (obviously a much longer optimized prompt)https://files.catbox.moe/94z881.mp3Keep in mind this is not necessarily the best the model can do, with a LoRA it will nail the style, or just about any style. Likely, it is "slopped" a bit since they RLHF'd on high quality audio, different seeds/prompt combinations can help with that, but close source will not really compare to a LoRA on this.
What can I do with Suno now?I resubbed to Suno to use their model creation feature only to discover their copyright system is much more aggressive than before, flagging every song I tried to upload (I could use the songs I'd uploaded before, but only had 5 for that artist and the model reflected melodies in the songs which made it kinda useless).Used to feed it songs and then generate covers.
>>109544440Damn I wonder what Backwoodz808 is going to use to make new music now.
>>109562375adaptations.Only local models can do covers, and none of them are exactly great at it.
>ask suno to create a valkyrie warsong with extreme power metal base>it creates an adventure song for childrenI was about to delete this failure but it's so fucking beautiful! ToTEnjoy: https://n.uguu.se/ELSbUnjr.mp3
>>109561421but millionaires would hurt
>>109563592reuploaded because catbox is working again: https://files.catbox.moe/1q2n9c.mp3
>>109563653It's truly awful.
>>109563633I want them to shut down and be forgotten, it's a turd of a model.Udio's old original model was 8^J
>>109563844https://files.catbox.moe/o7uyjl.mp3
Why the hate for Suno model? You all talk shit but nobody is posting any "better" music here. Do you even generate?
>>109564287we don't hate the Suno model we like it, even though it's got some gaps. Suno AI is a good service but it has now been crippled and you can't use it to do what makes it worth paying for. That's why there is discussion about alternatives.Some whine about the "20 downloads limit" but that's a techlet problem. The real issue is that they broke uploading. You used to be able to take a base music file and have Suno build off of it, use the progressions, etc. This was very useful for musicians and the best way to get Suno to work as a music-creation tool. That no longer works (they pretend the feature is still there but it refuses everything falsely as copyrighted). Without that feature I can't justify paying even the nickels Suno costs monthly.
>>109564370The voice upload feature works pretty well though, I made some stuff from my own recordings.
>>109564412Recently? This change was over the last couple months.
>>109564412have you rubbed your 2 braincells together and realized why they have voice upload working but not upload for your own music? hmmmmmmmmm
>>109564370Using Suno imo has always been a techlet problem. Imagine being a musician and putting the music you make in hands of a greedy American corp, or any corp for that matter. Udio was arguably way better than Suno, but when they censored that, the writing was on the wall. Open alternatives are being discussed for a reason. You should familiarize yourself with all their features, attempt tuning models yourself, etc...
>>109544446>>109544457or be a real man and use a tracker if you want to make chiptune music
>>109546376+4 for requesting a share link for that playlist, there is way too much dickless music on suno that just shitty ass radio pop without direction.
>>109564533Drive the chips directly for the best chiptunes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXQEDZFzPcw
>>109564485you love jerking off, we get it
>>109544440Tried Mureka yet? Probably behind, but not sure buy how much as I haven't used Udio or Suno for years.
>>109544440oopsie daisies looks like you'll have to learn how to play an instrument and cant trick art hoes into thinking you have talent anymore sukdeep
So mad the music up loader thing is busted. I had one last idea I wanted to do on the service before it's gutted in 2 weeks.
>>109544950>you create with suno
>>109544440>>109544440Another shot in the foot by the US. Just wait until China creates an alternative to Suno.ai that doesn't care about American copyrights and is open-source, and then American companies will be furious.
>>109544922Fuck off. Why don't you put down your Cubase and pick up a real bow you poser!That's, literally what you sound like. If it sounds shitty then they aren't a threat to you. Just let people have fun faggot.
Anyone using Minimax's Music3? Suno met their match for opensource.
Can I feed suno MP3 melodies and have it recognise the notes or even make midis?
Question for those who know Ace-step-1.5: no matter what song I give it as "reference audio" it totally ignores it. "LM codes strengh" has no effect either. I don't understand. Doesn't it work like img2img where you tell it how much to stay close from the original?
>>109572788Align your cover to the lyrics of OG song including syllable count. Use cover-nofsq with 0.5 strength on any model merged with Turbo. Play with strength to be up or down depending on results.ACEStep 1.5/XL btw has been recently deprecated by Minimax Music 3 in terms of audio quality in case you're not awareMinimax Music hard trancehttps://files.catbox.moe/ozrq4c.mp3(though reference songs and LoRA training not currently available in it, but that's subject to change in the future).Only caveat with Minimax is increased prompting difficulty (ACEStep is simpler to prompt and also controllability is easier, but its final audio quality is nowhere near Minimax which is itself Udio tier)https://huggingface.co/spaces/multimodalart/minimax-music3-prompting-guide
>>109573377>Use cover-nofsqAlso that assumes you're using acestep.cpp where the feature liveshttps://github.com/ServeurpersoCom/acestep.cpp
>>1095674158 bits is 8 bits, nigger.
>>109561173Here's what real music sounds like, for future reference:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wawOVkCBBIUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS_r1M3L878https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B06YPp9X7k4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYbu9YRzD3Y
>>109561270the key word here is *made*.you *made* some music... let me guess, a year ago? same with everyone else.the novelty wore off, and the company started to very clearly head towards bankruptcy.so they sold. same thing happening to midjourney - the novelty of imagegen wore off very quickly, so now theyre desperately trying to pivot into the medical space to turn a profit.
>>109544440>chiptune remixesYou can't type three chords into fasttracker? How retarded are you?
>>109574635Go ahead anon. Share your chiptune masterpieces that are so easy to make and mog a prompt to song workflow (unless you have immense talent, I doubt it). If making music (or any kind of art for that matter) were simply about using the tools to create songs then everyone would be a musician.
>>109574711Wow AI can do IV-V-I-V-IV-I. Even if it could come up with some fun new way to resolve a iii, the finer production details will be totally absent. This is a meaningless detail for normie music, though. All of that might as well have already been AI generated for the past 15 years or so.
Thanks for these suggestions, I'm also leaving Suno after this download crap. No way am I paying to generate songs I can't even download easily
>>109574588They were still making $200 million yearly no? At least that's what the reports said. Probably be much less soon
>>109574711>If making music (or any kind of art for that matter) were simply about using the tools to create songs then everyone would be a musician.Most normal people do know enough to stumble through sheet music and even among the ones who don't lots of tracker programs will just insert the chords for you. Yes, there is in fact automatic music sequencing software, it's been around since the first computer sound projects. Writing harmonic music is incredibly easy. It's like drawing with crayons. You just have to be able to count to 8 and 12.
>>109574319Using your iPad to simulate a chip isn't the same as driving a chip.
>>109556708I never hear you retards say this for any other form of AI art
>>109559661>>109560154>>109568928>>109569706>>109574635>>109576365You don't care when it concerns writing or art or film, your fake outrage convinces nobody.
>>109544440death of suno feels like when they killed VINElike it will never come backwe should not support next suno with our money unless weights will be open sourced, with billions of torrented songs, lets do this bros
>>109577188>I never saw a vine, it was a subculture.
>>109577057I don't care regardless. Just the same if you can't write without an LLM there's a very real sense in which you're a lesser person.
> just 2 more weeksThey can’t even make this profitable, and yet the failed crypto shills want me to believe AI will replace programmers
>>109544446Fl studio is crap and plugins cost arms and legs. I remade all my songs on Suno and downloaded them. >Inb4 no longer yours. Zero fucks given. They sound a lot better and I can now hear them as I intended.
>>109570080I remixed songs From Alysia Dragoon I downloaded from YouTube. turned them into chamber music, orchestra and goth metal. And it was kino.
>>109570080You used to be able to, which is what it was most useful for. That is no longer working which is why people are abandoning Suno
>>109576959You can vibecode a synthesizer with an arbitrary bit depth.
>>109581229cardinal/vcv rack is op, you don't need any other daw plugins unless you need to post-process a musical instrument because you don't have real hardware. Even then, you could probably do it with a patch in cardinal or vcv. The biset tracker is 100% cooler than using a midi roll. Though stopping the tracker at the end of an arrangement, so it doesn't loop, takes 7 modules.
>>109584062Who cares
>>109544440Jews
>>109584115I mean, one could bitch about gay daw plugins, or they could learn how to use vcv rack which has like a 1000+ free modules. There's not a single synth I would pay for that isn't hardware when i can make basically any possible wave I could ever want with the free surgext modules.
>>109581229>Fl studio is crap and plugins cost arms and legsJust user rutracker/AudioZ
so if Suno are retiring all the old AI models, does that mean the free version gets access to the new 6.0 model or is the free version being removed too?
>>109584013I don't even need to vibe code, I learned csound in the '90s and these days computers are powerful enough to use it in real time.
>>109590873>Not open sourceWhy should I or anyone care about this? It's funny they have the audacity to call it "free" but it's not actually free and you are the customer.
>>109590873>>109590895Anyways, your IQ is low if you think that service, or any other won't introduce restrictions down the line, eventually becoming irrelevant and censored due to not being open weights.
>>109590873Thanks. Remember to use the shit out of these while free and open.
>>109591810>free and openLol, there will always be a catch. 1 month, 2 months maybe, a subscription is introduced then more limitations after their lawsuit.
>>109590873>>109592284>Treblo (formerly known as Sonauto) is headquartered in San Francisco, California, United StatesNot even based in China, lol. This is a ticking time bomb, Suno/Udio 3.0, but it will blow up worse for Treblo users.
>>109592284Sure they all have the same corporate brain rot but there is a window of time where you can use them while they're trying to get an audience. Suno was great for all of 2025 for example. if you made some good stuff in that time you still have it. I'm just telling people to treat the access to these tools as a limited-time-only offer, not open ended.
>>109592351I don't see the point of using a service that isn't going to last. The writing is on the wall, they're less restrictive and allow users to mimic voice of popular bands and artists. They will literally disappear unless they open source their model, this isn't even going to be a repeat of Suno.
>>109544440I remember generating an anthem for my fantasy country lore
>>109572788i think this acestep noob with his shitty gens, replies and now minimax slop shilling is a bot. no other explanation.>Doesn't it work like img2img is it comfy you use?lower the denoise in ksampler starting from 0.90 down to 0.70.and comfy is not that good for it btw, it impacts texture but does not do the 'cover' thing well.
>>109592744>now minimax slop shillingTalk all the smack you want about my gens, Minimax has the best audio quality out of every model that's been released (commercial included). But maybe if you don't have ears, tin-can headphones or some sort of hearing deficit, you don't agree.
>>109593251Suno, Udio, Treblo, all of them are littered with AI slop and identifiable as such due to how low quality the sound is compared to a Studio recording. In the case of Udio it's less grave, just pre-mastered music. Suno uses synthetic sounds and just sounds like crap. Minimax sounds like it came straight from FL Studio. You take its output and only do minor edits, no need to EQ or cope with mastering the song, it's indistinguishable from the real deal.
>>1095932872 more weeks
>>109593287>Studio recordingAre you intentionally trying to make it so that "official studio recordings" are perceived better?
>>109593298Pic rel is the minimum you should be listening on and judging these models. Maybe you can't afford them, then perhaps grab something from Temu, and yes...
>>109593251you has feelsi got objectivityyour gens are telletubbies tier and suck ballson acestep and on minimax and on whatever comesthis was a test gen>>>/wsg/6207803and it beats all of your 9000 meme genres you gen no matter the tool of choice
>>109593607>this was a test gen>Metallic vocalsI can tell you genned on Suno. >>109560135Is miles better.
I hate music industry so I support sloppifying music as much as I canI will be listening same 100 songs until I die anyway
>>109544624Oh god it's over fuck them
>>109546635Your philosophical posture does nothing to address the fact they're severely nerfing the technical capacities of the models though.
>>109593638acestep on comfy you noob and no i aint gonna listen to your slop already knowing your qualitybesides wsg link being double posted, previously indicating it is acestep in this very thread which further confirms my 'must be a bot'
>>109546635Lel. The only reason it's bad is because you can't steer it with LoRAs, since it's not open source. You have no idea how good this can get, and how close it can get to the sound engineering you're talking about. ACEStep XL is 90% of the way there, except in certain genres like EDM its audio quality is not so good even after LoRAs. Minimax Music is perfect, but they did not release its encoder for LoRA training so the community is working to reverse engineer it.
>>109594162It needs Loras badly. All I want is fully instrumental jazz tunes, Minimax will add a voice 1 minute in and ruin a perfect tune.I've installed the skill and tried reinforcing the no vocals message in every way I could, but no.
>>109594223Yea I hate having to fight this model. When it follows the prompt, it produces gems. But whether it follows the prompt seems like RNG.https://huggingface.co/MiniMaxAI/MiniMax-Music3/discussions/22 might shed some light on what's going on. They frankenstein'd the model it seems. It's also very shady and not truly in open/local spirit to not allow users or include a guide on finetuning the model they released, even though they open sourced it.
>>109577043>I never hear you retards say this for any other form of AI artbecause unlike visual art which requires genuine hand eye coordination clicking in notes on a step sequencer or piano roll is retard proof and you can make things you'll be autistically happy with yourself with after only a few hundred hoursit takes more time to get good at csgo than it takes to learn how to make 4/10 electronic music
>>109594631just like your mom btw
>>109594631Sure, any retard can pick any instrument and make a beat. But you and I both know they won't be creating shit like https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PbEGWtcUnK0 without years of experience. Even if I can picture how I want a song to go in my head (and I can picture it vividly), the intricacies of sound design can get muddied. There are YT tutorials, courses for designing synths, etc... and I can even spend a bunch of hours browsing the net for them, but it's still going to take months to years to have the experience to recreate them right away. Not to mention all the different effects and how to make the sounds come together cohesively. I'm aware sample packs can help, but you're limited to sounds within those packs, and they're not free.
>>109590873How do they make money?
>>109594162>guy who thinks sound engineering quality is what matters with AI music generatorslook I appreciate audio quality but this is about music, not "sound."
>>109594748why would anyone want to make that garbage you posted? hilarious for someone to complain about craftsmanship when the "music" they like is all electronic, eg pre-recorded sounds being mixed up and arranged. Actual instrumentation is completely different.
>>109597161>look I appreciate audio quality but this is about music, not "sound."That's exactly what I meant, also you don't know jack shit about music.>>109597172>Fails to post his "music" that is so easy makeWe can always distort this definition of "real music" according to our preferences.
>>109597520Actual delusional fucks who think AI is just spitting music back out and is not just as if not more creative than humans. Udio is a better composer than 99% of current mainstream artists (who don't even compose the music themselves anyways).
>>109597520>you don't know jack shit about musicmighty presumptuous of you. while it's true that electronic music IS music it's also true that it's got nothing on what is done with instruments by human hands, which is responsible for much more interesting and poignant music. Audio fidelity is not the main thing determining how 'good' an AI music generator is. That is just a matter of how much horsepower you give it on the back end.
>>109597558>while it's true that electronic music IS music it's also true that it's got nothing on what is done with instruments by human handsBillions of fans disagree with you. And anyway AI can make the very music you're so assblasted about, it's stellar at it and needs no further guidance to be good. Of course, it so happens you aren't going to find AI models that are good at it everywhere. Udio is a start, and their biggest threat, which is why UMG rushed to acquire them and started their platform for musicians (before Suno settled theirs). Minimax Music now is close second due to its better fidelity, but isn't as creative as Udio out of the box due to differing archictecture. ACEStep XL is as creative, but wasn't trained on a large enough corpus and suffers from audio quality issues.
>>109597654You sound like the kind of guy who lets AI write lyrics for him
>>109597654Also, here's the smoking gun that AI is just as good a composer as any human.https://files.catbox.moe/kae6or.mp3This output is from a ZUTOMAYO ACEStep LoRA, the real artist dataset I gave it does not have music sounding exactly like that, that's AI's on flavor of her music and it sounds like it mixed it with a different type of jazz (since I prompted it explictly, but trained it without the word). I also did not include that part on the beginning, but since the real artist does that sort of thing, the AI picked on the pattern and made it its ownhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MJhiY9Crd94&pp=0gcJCWoCo7VqN5tDNotice how many more patterns from her music the AI picked up on its own. That's what AI excels at, taking different tags and creating new music, and a test for whether the model you're using is good is just to do that and see if new music comes back out.>inb4>ZUTOMAYO is not real music due to my arbitrary definitionHer sounds are not all synthetic, and they have played live and it was pure soulhttps://music.apple.com/us/album/midnight-forever-expo-meik%C5%8D-wa-gunaruga-gotoshi-live/1840129493
>>109597797Another output which uses similar instruments to one of her songs, but is clearly still composing throughout the rest of it and making it its ownhttps://files.catbox.moe/38f38d.mp3
>>109597947>>109597797Now, would I say this is better than the actual living artist? No, but is it better than most generic artists outside of Japan who don't do much real music themselves? Yes.
>>109544440lollmaoGuess you'd better learn to play an instrument. Or just wait for the next overfunded investor money sponge to sell you a service for something you could just do yourself.
Someone needs to get their hands on all the models Suno uses and leak them before the service gets completely gutted beyond all recognition.
>>109597925Getting around this sort of thing by re-recording it would be trivial, it will only result in even more sloppy slop because the jeets would just re-record whatever slop Suno gave them (and jeets are the only ones littering the internet with cheap AI songs, everyone else is enjoying it at their own time or sharing only high quality ones)
>>109599021Though I'm curious how they would go about watermarking an mp3 file without screwing with its sound.
>>109559661How do you differentiate "AI slop" and good quality AI output?
>>109598011>Just learn to compose like Tchaikovsky and play like the entire London Philharmonic Orchestra bro.Do luddites really?
>>109601792no they don't even know how to wash their ass irl so you know
>>109599056They only need to embed the tracking code, so there are far less bits to embed. Plus the algorithm is ML-based and they could train it to minimize damage to the gen, while resist tempering like re-recording. Another trick is to be selective on specific tune that are easier to watermark.
>>109544446you're on /g/ why aren't you suggesting LMMS
>>109601960FL Studio is one of those things you can't build without and it's better to pirate than use a free DAW. You can cut off its internet access afterwards.
>>109544440Good. They gimped the upload so much you couldn't even upload your own performances, singing, piano notes, etc without being flagged as copyright.
Peak consumer mentality. Passively consuming end-products with zero care about the people and culture behind it.Learn to use a tracker. Gaining skills and using them is FUN.
>>109601960Other than being FOSS, what does LMMS practically have over FL Studio?
treblo allows 3 copyright violations before consequencesit's a race 321...go!
