Remember when Linux was about giving old hardware a new lease on life? Not anymore Chuds. Now you will own nothing and who cares if you happy!
Just use the AI to add it back, like how Wiki jannies revert edits.
>>109555171Buy an ad.
why is this suddenly a problem? don't you guys have no problem abstaining from updates?
>>109555171Linux was never "about" that
>>109555194Yeah, anything older than like 5 years is just marked as obsolete and no longer supported, so simple.
>>109555204The only reason I update is the shit nvidia gpu drivers.
>>109555194mac users like hard dongle in every hole
>>109555208why do people repeat this bullshit all the time? Apple has lots of valid things to complain about, but not supporting their hardware long term really isn't one.
>>109555171Lol, Jewcuck is such a faggot, making drama of Linux removing support for such platforms as i486 and Pentium 1. Those poor Linux user who used these in the year 2026, how will they ever recover? And I wonder how much money Jewcuck donated to Linux maintainers to continue to support this abandonware?Yet modern Linux distributions still support a lot of old hardware, much more than Windows 11 does. You can still compile old drivers and use Nvidia GPUs that went EoL even before Windows 11 was released, not to mention AMD GPUs that are still getting updated user-space drivers.But I feel my entire post was meaningless because thread was created by a crapple shill >>109555194
>>109555329>filtering by filenameMost technically advanced /g/ user
>>109555171Buy an ad, Loonduck
>>109555171Reminder that Lunduke is not even a real jew, but he thinks he is a jew just because he married a landwhale jewess and because he """converted""" to judaism. He is actually just a regular shabbos goy.
shelf your i486, use an old kernel or just straight up kys already
>>109555171Computers older than Core2 aren't even useful because web browsers run glacially slow on them.
>>109555171The amount of power you waste running a 30 year old computer that could be done by an n100 that would pay for itself in a few months in comparison is retarded. Let old computers die.
>>109555171oy vey. linux needs to support 32 bit only cpus because reasons
>>109555615Any single core cpus aren't useful anymore
>>109555171>forced toGod I hate how redditors have poisoned this issue. Nobody is forcing anything. You're just choosing not to use it, which is fine, but words have meanings and this wording is on the tier of Tumblr "I literally can't even right now i'm shaking"
>>109555171>linux uses ai>but certainly not windows goyim>oops you accidentally opened copilot and its been screenshotting your pc every 10 seconds to report to microsoft :^)
>>109555333Because that's where it starts. Then a Discord Rust Troon will remove Linux support on old think pads because it's not secure enough.
>>109555404Can you guys stop with the drama shit. I'm using the JewGoy because he is one of the few people out there sounding the alarm on this. Soon they will make it so you need TPM to use Linux.
>>109555326Ok now start up CS6 on your new fagbook.
>>109555911I don't remember anyone freaking out when Linux started requiring PAE and NX bit to boot
>>109555911>can you stop with the drama>btw freak the fuck out and panic right now about forced TPM because Debian isn't NetBSD (shocking news!)
>>109555926CS6 is like 14 years old my man. And if you really think about it, 14 years is more than five years.
>>109555926also, wtf does this have to do with Apple's support for their hardware
>>109555900>>109555900NTA and not to be that guy, but i486 was last produced in 2007 and that was for embedded systems, meaning consumers using that chip and needing newest kernel would be few and far between. Even businesses probably have moved on long time ago.Removing support for a hardware, almost nobody (probably dozen people in the whole world) uses, should not be controversial at all.
>>109555171> 11. BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS LICENSED FREE OF CHARGE, THERE IS NO WARRANTY> FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW. EXCEPT WHEN> OTHERWISE STATED IN WRITING THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND/OR OTHER PARTIES> PROVIDE THE PROGRAM "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED> OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF> MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE ENTIRE RISK AS> TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PROGRAM IS WITH YOU. SHOULD THE> PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING,> REPAIR OR CORRECTION.Blame the AI fags for burning tokens to find bugs in parts of the tree that are so seldom used that it's better to cut them off than try to deal with the bugs
>>109556195jews like to make issues out of nothingburgers
>>109556423You retard they use AI to make hardware more expensive. And when we are like fuck gotta use older hardware they use AI again to make sure we can't use older hardware to run secure systems.
>>109555171Remember when 4chan wasn't known as 4cuck because people could spot unpaid shills especially a shill like you, the Pinoy who floods 4cuck with 3+ shill threads about that retarded gentile LARPing as a Jew, because you think they'll give you permanent residence in a wealthy European country?
Let's ask the real questions that makes the OP (Lunduke, the Jew LARPer in the Xitter screenshot):Why won't the OP donate to maintainers since he's totally not lying about wanting support for extremely niche hardware?How many of you knew the OP was the first to try and cancel Stallman because Stallman doesn't like proprietary software and doesn't want the age of consent to be above the age 25?How many of you knew the OP calls you a child murderer if you think people shouldn't get paid to write harmful software? How many of you knew the OP used to get paid by SUSE to shitpost on their Twitter account until he started accusing them of being Nazis because they wouldn't let him call everyone a stupid goy?Also, a Jew calling anyone a Nazi is ironic and it shows you how parasitic Jews are, as Nazis lied, raped, and murdered much less, and they were the biggest Zionists in gentile history.
>>109555794Lunduke is a Microslop shill. He says he used to work there. He probably cleaned their toilets with his tongue, as he refuses to show any of his lines of code.
>>109555171stop posting this kike
>>109555642>old hardware is silly, get a lifei would have you killed if it meant i received a single stick of ddr2
>>109555171Why do Americans worship the Jews and Israel?
>>109555171*BSD is for old 'putors because there is no drivers for modern hardware.
>>109555642how long until mining landfills is more profitable than mining rock?
>>109555404KEK, fucking poser.
At this point it's either one of the well maintained free GNU/Linux distros or the BSDs.
>>109555171It's over for Linux. Linux was our safe space from vibecoding. It's completely over. We need to make a new OS from scratch. Or perhaps fork Linux. We need to remove all the legacy baggage and POSIX nonsense. Who is with me?
so AI-Guddites and GNUnixoids intersect..ack-thropic has the "platinum" GNUnix membership.. who is keked here if not the GNUtards?
>>109556998I'll prompt the logo.
>>109556998Fork the Linux kernel and merge the rest of the system into a single tarballThe BSDs were always built as a whole system, so let's take that similar approach to a post-Linux future
Remember when we didn't get daily Lundjew spam?
>>109557725>Fork the Linux kernel and merge the rest of the system into a single tarball>The BSDs were always built as a whole system, so let's take that similar approach to a post-Linux futurezoomer discovers what a distro is
>>109556195its not a hardware support problemits a code maintenance problemif there was a maintainer for the code with someone to test on real hardware, there wouldn't be much reason to remove it in the first place>Removing support for a hardwarepractically, the end result for both appear to be the samesomeone needs to do it for free
What the fuck do you want? A 4 TB kernel to support 300 million different retired and ancient pieces of hardware no one fucking uses anymore?Get fucked
>>109555206but it did have that.
>>109555204You're thinking about babyducks. We want to update to new versions and actually be excited about the changes. When the Lunduke crowd isn't political baiting and being jewish they are calling out actual ensloppificication.
>>109555171How could Linux still be used to revive old hardware anyway when its fatass became as gigantic and heavy as Windows 11's? Have you tried installing any "light" Linux distribution on a mechanical hard disk these three last years? It's totally unusable.
>>109558996Can't drivers be installed only if needed? (I really ask, I don't know Linux much.)
>>109555171>the chuduke slopnalIgnored, NEXT!
linux is now for new hardware with garbage overpriced specs like all that trash framework and valve shits out that people are paying thousands for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZUrETzKKNA
>>109555171every time lunduke spits the truth a bunch of demented trannies on /g/ have a meltdown, that's how you know he's right
I could understand it being an issue if they were dropping Pentium M/4 support, but no one can use a Pentium 3 or Athlon XP today beyond a retro-gaming machine since Chromium/Firefox can't run on x86 machines lacking SSE2.
>>109555926it runs in wine/crossover
>>109555642P3 tdp was like 20W
>>109555171>dookie
>>109555404Retard. The talmud states that converts are first-class. Your little /pol/ memes have no bearing on reality.
>>109556423If only they actually did find bugs instead of just hallucinating nonsense.
>>109555212Nvidia drivers are kernel version agnostic as long as you can compile dkms modules for it.
>>109556971Distros depend on a kernel.
>>109559176That's already how it works. When you build the kernel, you can choose what is built as inbuilt, as modular, or as neither. Modular modules dynamically get loaded if the hardware is detected. Inbuilt doesn't run unless the hardware is detected, but can't be disabled. In practice, the vast majority of modules in distributed linux (the kernel) binaries are modular.
>>109559551You can get the same work done for like 2W now.
>>109555171So just don't update it anymore?Install older version?Modern websites and media are already so heavy, I doubt 20 year old PC can even display anything.Personally I don't care.My hardware is always less than decade old.
>>109559062It still has that. Lots of components are supported for 20+ years, but it's a 35yo kernel. It's at a point where it's going to be shedding drivers because maintainers age out and young people don't care. 68040 hardware is still supported, but 486 isn't. Because nobody gives a shit about 486. Don't like it? Add 486 support with modern kernel APIs.
>>109559062Yeah, so like I said, Linux was never "about" that.
>>109560712Nobody claimed that, retard
>>109560796>Remember when Linux was about giving old hardware a new lease on life? Next time, read OP before responding so you don't look so silly.
>>109555171>posts picture of irrelevant loseryou're such a loser and communist puppet, lundpuke. when are you going to kill yourself? and when you do, can you stream it on youtube?
>>109560807You are illiterate. OP is talking about what people do with it.
>>109560818Great. Now you're upset that you were wrong. Can you tell me if you're going to keep replying with terrible attempts to save face and whether or not I should just leave the thread entirely because you're just going to spam, Because I really don't have the time or wear with all to hide all of your posts as you make them.
>>109560818you mean lundpuke posting his own tweets to his own cringe and embarrassing videos? that OP? nobody cares about what this fucking failure has to say. he's a sad lolcow.>>109560825shut the fuck up, retard
>>109560825>literal melty over being told
>>109560830Alright, I'll just leave the thread so I don't have to see your ranting. Thanks. Hope you can fix your anger problem, and read more thoroughly before posting in the future.
>>109560828>you mean lundpuke posting his own tweets to his own cringe and embarrassing videos? that OP? nobody cares about what this fucking failure has to say. he's a sad lolcow.Sure. I have been sick and tired of constant eceleb spam across 4chan in ages. But what can you do about it.
>>109555171So what have they removed support for recently?
just use an older version of linux?literally nobody is browsing the modern web on a 486 except to show off for youtube videos or some shit like that.if you want to be a zoomie hipster run retro games on retro hardwere then you may as well run a retro os too.
>>109555404The goodest of goyim.
>>109560707nobody likes the real answer anon
>>109555171>Remember when Linux was about giving old hardware a new lease on life?No>Not anymore ChudsNot ever.
ack-thropic is a platinum daddy of every GNUnixoidbut keep on talking about x32 and 486, kekolds
>>109555404>love and revere god>censords godTopkek, at this Jewrat.
>freetards circlejerk over Win11 ditching older CPU's>the Linux kernel starts ditching older hardware>freetards are suddenly dead silentEvery single fucking time
https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/debian/comments/qz64sr/debian_11_installation_a_shit_show_the_failing/Linux sucks big time.
>>109555642and smartphone camera lens are made of diamond.
>>109563960>Win11 ditching older CPU's (released before 2018)Lol
>>109563983>Debian 11LolLmao
>>109555333This, when people think of "bringing to life old hardware" they're thinking of core 2 and beyond, stuff you can buy for nothing and use an up to date OS on, no one is buying 486 computers to use for anything even if you wanted to it's so fucking unsable and not sensible, it's not like they're deprecating a fucking Core 2 duo that the third world still uses, the same retards bitching about this are the same stupid fucks bitching about laptops not having obsolete shit like VGA ports and DVD drives that make them thicker and heavier for no good reason, eventually some things that are so old and unusable have to be deprecated, it's nothing new, Linux has been wanting to jettison firewire support in 2029, and that's perfectly fine because newer stuff like USB 3 has come out to replace it.I am all about keeping old usable hardware going as long as possible, but the hardware in question is beyond it's usefulness, that's why it's silly to compare dropping a pentium 1 to Windows 11 literally dropping kaby lake laptops with 32GB of RAM in it .
Distros like slitaz, antix, puppylinux, linuxconsole, etc will all run on ancient hardware, including Pentium 1/586. Slitaz specifically runs on 486, which is fucking nuts desu.
just keep on babbling about x32, its safe argument, dont mention platinum daddy doing its thing, hehehex32 is prononsed dead even by schizo arhitects like T.Davis, its completely safe to drop 486. did you know when Windows dropped x32? 2009 with servers, hehe, completely safe!
NetBSD is what you use for old hardware.
i would bet literally 80% of the replies in here are OP who is probably just the youtuber himself.ip count was removed for threads like this
>>109566812More like Linux Mint XFCE, also who the fuck is even using a 486 piece of shit for anything? Can the board it's in even support enough RAM to run a distro these days? why are we tripping? You get to the point with a piece of technology where it's so slow and useless that it doesn't even make sense to power it on other then to run old stuff that it has been running for years.
>>109566830>More like Linux Mint XFCEBloated, NetBSD still runs on a Mac SE/30 without issue. XFCE needs more RAM than the entire system has on that platform. You'd just thrash the disk and it'd be unusable. You're a child.It's fun to tinker with old computers, and Linux is no longer good for that. Linux will lose mindshare as people migrate to other platforms. For example, SGI Indy just came back alive for Plan9, because users wanted it.Government wants people to stop using old computers, that's why everything good and nice and old and tested and working, is being replaced by corporate Linux. I say fuck them and fuck that.
>>109566855>a fucking 1989 computerYou can keep it Anon, but the days of buying a cheap computer used or just getting one for free that's 15 or 20 years old aren't going anywhere, but people are freaking out like they are, I have core 2 duo laptops, which is 20yo technology now running Mint XFCE just fine for what they are Linux has been nothing but amazing at keeping (usable) hardware going while supporting the cutting edge.
Reminder that Lunduke is Jewish
>>109566880Linux had a lot of mindshare from hackers, that time has passed and now most of the work is done by large globohomo corporations. It's OK, people have alternatives.As hobbyists and hackers turn their gaze elsewhere, Linux will become more and more stodgy, needlessly complicated, and Windows-like, as was the design since the Halloween Document was sent out.
I'm developing software and i NEED docker. so any kind of bsd is off the table.
>>109567016Podman runs on BSD and it can run your docker images just fine
>>109566855Anon, anyone old enough to remember what a SE/30 is has already formed opinions about what open source projects they want to support. Actual 3rd world children have better computers than this.
>>109555171Well if something is too old for linux i guess you can install BSD.
>>109555171they have been dropping ancient hardware support since a decade agonothing new
>>109555206This. It was more about simplicity and not hiding your computer's innards from you.
>>109566855What's stopping you from using out of tree drivers or older kernels?
>>109570354Nothing. They want ancient hardware to be supported but also existing kernel devs should bear 100% of the burden for porting old drivers to new APIs. Even though they have no way to verify whether any of this shit actually works.Typical Lunduke well poisoning op. The people who contribute are actually le bad.
>>109571469That's not how you do things. If you have too much burden for feature X and you're a community project, you make a deprecation warning, ask for volunteers to step up to take over the a feature, and then depreciate if nobody steps up after 6 months. You don't axe things with no warnings.
>>109571559They do all the time on lkml, where all the qualified people are. It's not like it suddenly becomes much more difficult to port old hardware to the new API after it gets removed. Any undergrad could do it.But you won't. Because you're not a programmer. You won't pay to have it done either. You're just going to sit on the internet and bitch.
>>109571682The correct people to reach out to are not on lkml, they're the people who own the hardware and might be interested to contribute because they need the hardware to keep working. They may even have contributed to linux in the past, that doesn't mean they're on the lkml.You are profoundly retarded.
>>109571699Yet none of them have come out of the woodwork to support it since. It's almost as if they don't give a shit.
>>109571721>backpedaling
>>109555171What's stopping people that want old hardware support from maintaining a fork?
>>109571772ALSO NOTHING
>>109555333>You can still compile old drivers and use Nvidia GPUs that went EoL even before Windows 11 was releasedBut they can't run properly on wayland since they don't get support there. The forced move from x11 to wayland is his main talking point.
>>109571872You do realize that X11 is still supported, shipped and there are DEs that using it, right? Not to mention most apps are still made with X11 in mind?
>>109571900Only on some distros and DEs. The general direction is away from X11. That is what his commentary is about.
>>109571919>Only on some distros and DEs.Can you name a single distirbution that doesn't ship Xorg?>The general direction is away from X11.So what? Do you have ETA when applications will drop X11 support entirely?>That is what his commentary is about.
>>109571919>That is what his commentary is about.Whose? Jewcucks? I didn't watch his ragebait drama shit video, but just from xitter post I presume he was talking about Linux kernel. All Linux graphic drivers are DRM drivers. Those NVIDIA proprietary drivers that don't support DRM (read: Wayland) are not part of Linux kernel.
Prominent zionist Bryan Lunduke is part of an ongoing campaign to undermine GPL ideology by making open source software unpalatable to maintainers and end users while also casting well reasoned critics as anti-trans bigots. If you fall for his tricks you, deserve what you get.
>>109571941>Can you name a single distirbution that doesn't ship Xorg?I said supported not present. Both KDE and Gnome are moving to wayland only. Only schizo distros like Artix are trying to planning to maintain a kde that works with x11 (don't think they have plans for gnome tho)>Do you have ETA when applications will drop X11 support entirely?The DE deprecations also apply here. Additionally dependency trees are already getting messed up. I tried to update an older fedora 37 install and noticed that it didn't setup dbus properly with it's xfce session leading to all kinds of errors. Also it wasn't setting mousepoll correctly anymore. It used to work automatically, but now it isn't being maintained.>So what?Linux Davinci Resolve Nvidia bros also need working computers anon.>Whose? Jewcucks? I didn't watch his ragebait drama shit video, but just from xitter post I presume he was talking about Linux kernel. All Linux graphic drivers are DRM drivers. Those NVIDIA proprietary drivers that don't support DRM (read: Wayland) are not part of Linux kernel.I haven't watched any of his X stuff or paid stuff, but he is clearly pointing out a direction with "becoming less true". Obviously Nvidia's proprietary drivers aren't part of the Linux Kernel. In this context of x11 & wayland 'Linux' is referring the distribution channels outside the Linux Foundation that just use the kernel. I agree that the kernel deprecations are nothing burgers, but talking about them is good propaganda for the real shit.
>>109572299>Both KDE and Gnome are moving to wayland only.So what? There are no DEs based on X11 besides GNOME and KDE? And Plasma 6.6 recieved 3 years LTS support lately.>I tried to update an older fedora 37There's no XFCE on modern Fedora?>Linux Davinci Resolve Nvidia bros also need working computers anon.
>>109572299>Linux Davinci Resolve Nvidia bros also need working computers anon.Nvidia and Davinci are both proprietary shitware. If they decided to drop old hardware support there's nothing Linux can do. Old AMD hardware is supported by community, even get performance and feature updates.
>>109572323>There's no XFCE on modern Fedora?You misunderstood. I had a fully working xfce install on 37 that I updated (the propper incremental way) through to 44. By the time it got to 42 the session file and dependency trees weren't correct.
>>109572350>I had a fully working xfce install on 37 that I updated (the propper incremental way) through to 44.And what does it have to do with drop of X11 support. Question was: is there a distribution without Xorg and single DE that is relying on Xorg? No? Then everything else is irrelevant. Just because Fedora fucked up something in their update system that made your old ass setup not working is irrelevant as long as modern Fedora has Xorg and some DE based on it.
The only reason I support this is because I know they'll remove a critical part in the future and get shitcanned when it prevents xyz hardware from being usable at work.
>>109572348>If they decided to drop old hardware support there's nothing Linux can doOnly Linux as in the kernel can do nothing. 'Linux' as in Linux Distros have full control over what packages to and not to deprecate.>And what does it have to do with drop of X11 supportLike I said the dependency tree was incorrect. If X11 was still being supported an error that bad would not happen with that important of a package.>>109572387>Just because Fedora fucked up something in their update system that made your old ass setup not working is irrelevant as long as modern Fedora has Xorg and some DE based on itIt is not irrelevant as it shows that it is being less supported which is what I have said from the beginning. Also, I highly doubt it is the update system.>Some DE based on itThis is also not correct. "Some DE" is not suitable for people who actually do work. It has to be able to run properly and predictably. You can't have drawfags, video editors, 3d modelers, etc using broken software. Older nonfree hardware is sometimes the only option for them and it is sad to see those people put into stressful situations.
>>109555404Holy larp
>>109572603>'Linux' as in Linux Distros have full control over what packages to and not to deprecate.You do realize you can compile software from source completely ignore package manager and packages, right?>If X11 was still being supported an error that bad would not happen with that important of a package.This has nothing to do with support. Linux Mint had broken Steam package that was leading to system breakage. It doesn't mean that Steam package wasn't supported.>being less supported"Being less supported" is still supported. On Windows 11 things are not supported meaning you can do anything to make them work. You can't use older hardware on Windows 11. You can on Linux. Can you use old hardware on Linux EASILY? That's irrelevant.>It has to be able to run properly and predictably. Nobody promises that old support hardware not will work reliably. Hell, nobody even promises that new hardware will work reliably. It clearly stated in GPL and EULA of proprietary applications.>You can't have drawfags, video editors, 3d modelers, etc using broken software. At this point you just making shit up. You do realize we're talking about old NVIDIA GPUs that, like ancient, pre-Maxwell and Pascal cards. I'm sure there not a single person who is doing professional work but still relying on this software. And even if he does, I see why would he have any problems with old drivers when he can still use X11 on modern distribution with his old ass shit drivers?>Older nonfree hardware is sometimes the only option for them and it is sad to see those people put into stressful situations.If we talk about old nonfree in general there are plenty of proprietary hardware that was running on particular kernel versions (for example, android blobs) and is not compatible with newer kernel. This situation exists for more than a decade and will continue to exist because those proprietary blobs are not part of Linux kernel.
Linux is the OS of choice for trannies and cucks. Linus Slopvalds is a WEF memeber and fat faggot.
>>109573105All true, but there is no alternative. For now.
>>109555642if only we get pre-2024 prices back
>Oh no, they're dropping support for a CPU that can't even run the original QuakeAnd nothing of value was lost.
>>109573126Just don't engage with WEF slopware and you have lots of alternatives.
>>109573331Give me examples
>>109572909>You do realize you can compile software from source completely ignore package manager and packages, right?If you want broken software that doesn't have any cases tested then sure, but otherwise no that doesn't work out anon. You can break dependency trees by just replacing libxft. If you think you can get away with replacing the xserver or mesa you are completely delusional.And replacing the entire dependency tree is just retarded. At that point just install gentoo.>This has nothing to do with support. Linux Mint had broken Steam package that was leading to system breakage. It doesn't mean that Steam package wasn't supportedThe difference here is that Steam had a error with dependency resolution that doesn't stem from diminishing maintenance due to a non-replacement on the way.>"Being less supported" is still supported. On Windows 11 things are not supported meaning you can not* do anything to make them work. You can't use older hardware on Windows 11. You can on Linux. Can you use old hardware on Linux EASILY? That's irrelevant.You have 0 knowledge of what you are talking about. Windows can have community patches as well. The difference is that without source availability for the corresponding nt kernel the hacks are crappy and don't run properly or predictably. It's not about old hardware being 'easy', but being reasonable.>At this point you just making shit up. You do realize we're talking about old NVIDIA GPUs that, like ancient, pre-Maxwell and Pascal cards. I'm sure there not a single person who is doing professional work but still relying on this software. This is just lies. Lots of documented critical problems with cards much newer than maxwell for Nvidia on wayland.
>>109572909>Nobody promises that old support hardware not will work reliably. Hell, nobody even promises that new hardware will work reliably. It clearly stated in GPL and EULA of proprietary applications.You are misunderstanding. The issue is not that some promise has been broken, but rather that a reasonable use case has been ignored. Which is poorfag Nvidia bros.>And even if he does, I see why would he have any problems with old drivers when he can still use X11 on modern distribution with his old ass shit drivers?I already went over this.>If we talk about old nonfree in general there are plenty of proprietary hardware that was running on particular kernel versions (for example, android blobs) and is not compatible with newer kernel. This situation exists for more than a decade and will continue to exist because those proprietary blobs are not part of Linux kernel.True however this one is unique due to the scale of who it effects. Which is lots poorfag nvidia users and users of x11 proprietary software.
>>109573535>And replacing the entire dependency tree is just retarded. At that point just install gentoo.You're making no point. My point was that Xorg and DE using it are still supported, and you can install and run them today, and use hardware that's not supported on Wayland (and on Windows 11). You didn't disapprove me. Instead, you're writing irrelevant stuff that has nothing to do with my point.>The difference here is that Steam had a error with dependency resolution that doesn't stem from diminishing maintenance due to a non-replacement on the way.This is just nonsense>You have 0 knowledge of what you are talking about. Windows can have community patches as well.Show me NVIDIA GPU running on Windows 11 that went EoL on Windows 10.>This is just lies. Lots of documented critical problems with cards much newer than maxwell for Nvidia on wayland.How is this related? Are we still talking about old hardware or not? Pascall had drivers that is working on Wayland and I tested it. Turing+ is still supported.
>>109573546>You are misunderstanding. The issue is not that some promise has been broken, but rather that a reasonable use case has been ignored. Which is poorfag Nvidia bros.What are you talking about? What is your point? Stop talking nonsense. Poorfag Nvidia bros can run modern X11 on modern Linux distribution today, when they can't run Windows 11 since there are no drivers. If they can't run something is because Nvidia ceased support and there's nothing Linux community can do.>True however this one is unique due to the scale of who it effects. Which is lots poorfag nvidia users and users of x11 proprietary software.This is completely unrelated to what I wrote and I don't even know why you wrote this.Actually, all your posts are wrong, you didn't even understand the point of OP post. Jewcuck was trying to make drama of Linux stopping support for old hardware, i486 and Pentium 1 in particular. For some reason you brought that Linux is dropping support for old NVIDIA GPUs when it barely has any to begin with (nouveau driver). You're telling support of old NVIDIA GPUs will be dropped because of Wayland, but they're working just fine today on X11 and there's indication when it will be dropped (if it will be at all).
>>109573953>My point was that Xorg and DE using it are still supported, and you can install and run them today, and use hardware that's not supported on Wayland (and on Windows 11). You didn't disapprove me. Instead, you're writing irrelevant stuff that has nothing to do with my pointYou're 'point' comes from a misunderstanding on your part. I said that they don't work properly >>109571872 & that the general direction is away from X11 >>109571919 . This is what he regularly complains about and am I saying that is correct because it harms users. Meanwhile you bring up irrelevant shit like promises of licenses and non sequiturs like compiling from source instead of fixing the dependency tree.>If they can't run something is because Nvidia ceased support and there's nothing Linux community can do.Linux distros can support X11 better duh. That's what works with those cards. I mentioned problems with the dependencies and it seems to just go over your head. X11 isn't supported if it isn't maintained and X11 obviously isn't made by Nvidia.I don't think you have any understanding of what dependency resolution is lol.> but they're working just fine today on X11 and there's not* indication when it will be dropped (if it will be at all).There is very clearly indication that X11 will be dropped. Wtf do you think the two biggest desktops environments are dropping it does. Wtf do you think rebasing to an older version is supposed to accomplish. It's in the dustbin of history at this point since dependcies required for DEs are going to be updated with wayland in mind first. The dependency trees will made with wayland as the priority.And it sucks because if you look at the issue trackers for wayland and it's DEs + WCs. It's almost all shit that was solved on X11 years ago or retarded shit. One of the longer discussions was arguing over, but what if we needed VR support mannn. Just idiotic crap.
>>109574429>I said that they don't work properlyThey work. On X11. X11 is still supported.>that the general direction is away from X11X11 works today. They work on X11. Your point it irreleveant.>Linux distros can support X11 better duh.Linux distros already support X11 just fine. They still ship X11 WMs and people are using them just fine.>I mentioned problems with the dependencies and it seems to just go over your head.Problems with dependencies are problems of the one particular distro. They do not represent state of the whole community.>X11 isn't supported if it isn't maintained X11 is supported and maintained as of today> X11 obviously isn't made by Nvidia.Xorg DDX driver is made by Nvidia though>There is very clearly indication that X11 will be dropped.There is? Last time I've checked there are 3 new X display servers being developed.>Wtf do you think the two biggest desktops environments are dropping it does.There are other DEs and WMs, some don't have plans on moving to WaylandAnyway, your shit is offtopic. It's not relevant to OP post, and it's not even accurate. Your just making drama over nothing, like jewcuck
>>109574548>There is? Last time I've checked there are 3 new X display servers being developed.kekw
