I just saw a porn AI prompter having a Patreon with 10k subscribers where the lowest tier was $5 a month
>>109561949Are the prices low? I think $5 is quite high.I don't know much about this thing and the economics.I think the lack of knowledge and hardware is what drives up the price.If this is a moral debate or question, our products are based on slave labor so people don't give a shit.
>>109561949Im launching in a month when my toolset is done. Gooners paying for AI pics deserve the rope, but nsfw models and workflows I understand
AI is low effort compared to traditional methods but it's still plenty of work to be above the ever-increasing baseline for AI so your gens don't look like what is now common "slop"desu a look at any AI general on the site shows that not everybody has an eye for this stuff or the capability to learn to do it properly, and the regulars in those threads have been at it for years now
>>109562010Is there a place where I can have my own stuff but with "problematic" content?Cause I know Patreon doesn't allow loli
>>109562037Do you have any tips for it?I started recently and my gens are low quality, but it's cool and damn, I can almost savor the money of printing loli pregnacy fetish packs. Insane.
>>109562042No idea, but I use pawchive to get people's shit for free.
>>109562054people on patreon dont give a fuck about quality they just pay and tug their cucumber all day, just take a look at those shitty slops where its watermarked with a patreon handle, it's all dogshit
and seafoam been around long time thats how things get
>>109562054also here's a good example: onlyfans. people pay obscene amounts of money just to watch a whore do the same poses like you get on pornhub, it was never about quality
>>109562010what image model?
Yeah yeah I know, everyone is rich but me
>>109561949How do I acquire that power
>>109561949>sex sellsnothing new here, check this out how much a guy is making from an erotic game, even when everybody is only having a $1 sub he's making good bank per month
>>109561949Is there even a market for this?
>>109561949GUYS I FOUND MY DREAM JOB. LITERALLY FREE MONEY.
>>109562831>Person is making tens of thousands a month marketing and selling his creations>Is there even a market for this?
>>109562745post the picture
>>109562909I would but I don't have it anymore lol
I feel like a cuck being that I'm making a visual novel and I'm putting some effort into it, having characters being visually consistent, cool scenes outside of porn, etc. I can't make people pay for it for legal reasons of my country, but even so I only got 186 free subs on patreon. Then I got like some comments and many are really enthusiastic, but I also get insulted a lot only because I'm using AI. They don't even check the game, just insult me.So I don't know, often times I don't know if it's worth the effort or why I'm really doing this.
It's been that way for awhile. Remember the DALL-E 3 threads? There was an anon there who was making serious dough by AI generating fat black women and hiding it behind a paid subscription or whatever. It was on DeviantArt. I have the screenshots of his posts somewhere, but yeah. Shit's hilarious. To me, pornography is just a means to an end. But I think outright paying for AI pornography is strange.
>>109561949>shitty porn gives you moneyA tale as old as time, ask >>>/d/ about it.
>>109563033aw cutie :(Fuck these retards that don't like it, don't worry about it and do it for your own enjoymentThere's tons of people shitting on AI and that will continue, but there's also tons of people who genuinely like it, specially if you bring some value to the table like making comics or funny things with it
>>109562037Any modern online AI gen is already good enough. People paying for AI porn is the same people who can even turn on a PC
>>109562037>desu a look at any AI general on the site shows that not everybody has an eye for this stuffI think AI art is pretty cool but this is my gripe with those who act so about what they put out. They really think their shit's good. No self awareness at all. Doesn't help that some of them seem to just outright hate art as a whole which is odd.
>>109563281>who act so about* who act so [pompous] about what they put out
>>109563281I gotta get good at it
>>109562745>porn is free>pay anywayporn addiction is a genuine mental illness only treatable by execution
>>109563033If your skills suck so much they get confused for ai, then you have to have a cold hard look at yourself, too.Not saying it's deserved entirely since you can't improve without going through that type of phase through the improvement process though.
>>109561949No, you did not.
>>109563033judging by the anime picture at the bottom even by AI artist standards that artstyle is totally slop anon. You gotta find some totally unique unknown artist out there, make your own loras of their style. No wonder you get insults all the time. You're too obvious.
>>1095635292edgy4me bro
>>109563848>edgy
>>109561949Give the link
>>109561949Money laundering
>>109562831I think the people that pay money for shit they don't need to pay money for usually don't talk to other human beings.
>>109563864This.Now, of course I don't doubt that there ARE real accounts making money, but money launding is piss easy with shit like this.Also, the AI content can always be a stand-in for illicit content. clean paper trail with the real stuff being sent somewhere else
>>109562010Yeah you're years behind the curve buddy, that market is saturated beyond belief.
>>109563864>>109563908>chuds need to invent elaborate conspiracy theories to explain why people would pay for porn
>>109564040As opposed to?Because it makes no sense for people who are capable of thought (I didn't say rational thought) to pay for something that's free.
>>109563864>>109563908You guys should really learn what money launder is and how it's generally done. Patreon porn can't be it.
>>109564380It has been used by small gangs of cybercriminals in order to "withdraw" money from stolen credit cards
>>109563529Not every fetish has high quality smut for free. Also, what if you want customized requests?
>>109563864More opportunities for this in gamedev desu. Look at the chinese mobile slop
>>109564493Game dev is harder and more complex yet it has also been used for this purpose too.A small gang of cybercriminals can use stolen ccs and set up hundreds of fake accounts to "pay" for AI porn. I’ve seen both scenarios, I remember a shitty flash game that was generating around 10k usd per mouth in Patreon subscriptions but after researching I realized it was a group of people creating multiple accounts and subscribing to their own game in order to withdraw money.This happened 10 years ago but I’m sure it keeps happening
I really don't care what other people do.As long as they don't intentionally try to stop me being happy, who cares?Let these people live in mansions, eat amazing food, have a large family of equally pointless children.As long as they stay the fuck out of my way, I don't care.I already won by being morally superior.
>>109562037>a look at any AI general on the site shows that not everybody has an eye for this stuff or the capability to learn to do it properlyI mean yeah, AI is still just another tool, whether you use it for writing, art, programming if you're not fit for that field AI won't magically turn you into Linus or Picasso. Like you say just look at the AI image generals. I got better gens done when all we had as the original SD leak and they still shit out masses of just objectively completely devoid of aesthetic dogshit. There are occasional real gems but most is still 1girl, big tits tier. What I really don't get is how those default style retards actually manage to get people to pay for their patreon.You can do crazy shit with imggen AI but every time I see some retard with 10k patrons they don't even use a lora, you can instantly tell which model they're using because it's always the default style.
>>109562037Don't assume because people aren't doing it they can't.You could probably go and break the world record for the worlds largest bungee jump ever performed, or the world's largest pizza ever baked.But why the fuck would you?
>>109561949Serous question - how do people even find out about these things in order to subscribe?
>>109564571This is very likely
>>109564697probably through xitter
>>109564697Twitter, Rule34, Deviantart. The image themselves also have watermarks and links on them.
>>109564714I use that site everyday and have never seen weird porn patreon ads. Obvs I don’t look for it but to get a subscriber for $5/month you need 100x eyeballs on it. The number of people who will even look at this patreon out of curiosity is limited. To get numbers like this your product should break containment and be something normal users are casually aware exists. Fraud schemes are more likely.
>>109564731Forgot about deviant art. That is the likely source. Any decent society would ban that site. We really need data on users of these things. There must be some common threads that would explain the phenomenon such as locations subscribers live, where they get their money etc
>>109564736If you're talking about money laundering via patreon that's literally more retarded than using pokemon cards with the crucial difference that pokemon cards don't leave a paper trail. No there really are that many dead weights the rest of us have to drag along with us. You can somewhat manipulate subscriber numbers to make it seem like you're more successful than you really are but money laundering through patreon is just retarded and not because their anti fraud tech is that great or anything like that.
>>109564753Patreon is a very dubious company that might exist primarily to facilitate illicit fund movements.
>>109564736>I use that site everyday and have never seen weird porn patreon ads.They're posted by the artist or someone else reposts them.
>>109564736I think the flow may be not through standard ads: you see a AI porn pic -> you get hooked -> you click on their profile -> see their patreon handle -> open their patreon. I myself generated AI pics and got tens of thousands of likes & retweets follewd by thousands of subs without spending a dime on ads. I don't do patreon shit, I just do it because I like gennin' AI shit
>>109564637Because even if it's intentional, they can stop you from being happy anyway.
>>109562037>Take clip from youtube>Save img somewhere in the video>Use last frame to gen porn>combine it>repeatI won't be surprise if congress brings down the hammer on Chinese models. This is worse than faceswap people into porn.
>>109564637Can't find the exit.
>>109564774Look closely at your followers. Bots?
>>109564807There are definitely bots, but a lot of them just anime degens like me
>>109564820The dynamics here are very similar to drug addiction. If we think of anime perverts as something more like “people hooked on meth” it becomes easier to understand their behavior and how consistent it is. Obviously it is abnormal behavior to spend your money on this stuff.
>>109564772>THIRTY THOUSAND 1girl PICTURESwhat the fuck man
>>109562042>Is there a place where I can have my own stuff, but with "problematic" content?Perhaps pixiv.
>>109564884pixiv is insane because they really do allow anything. but it's a shame the site is flooded with "map" shit. could even be in the comments of a normal lolisho artwork and you'll have a bot asking for telegram or something.
>>109564915>pixiv is insaneWhile there's DLsite, it seems to have undergone some changes:1. Some works are region locked or require an account.2. Some categories were possibly removed and/or changed. Example: loli might've been changed to tsurupeta.3. Another possibility is some works can't be purchased directly with a credit card. Instead, one will need to purchase a points card on another site, unload the points into their DLsite account, and use the points to purchase.
>>109564915>Anon is suprised that loli overlaps with actual unironic loliconsduh, the Western separation is pure cope
>>109565385no. i'm not really surprised about that. i'm just surprised at how shite pixiv is now. somebody compared it to deviantart and it's quite the apt comparison.
>>109565441You mean by the influence of Westerns and AI? Pixiv was already in decline, it had mess with censorship and fucked some artists with the Fanbox shit, then also a lot of Westerns found the website and flock to it. Plus, it was always a bit shit with the Premium search tags and all honestly.The AI spam was a last hit. It's still a very strong site but lots of artists are just now Xitter exclusive I think
>>109562054>loli>money printing
>>109564776Then you didn't actually read my post.I said as long as they don't stop me being happy I don't care.I said nothing about if its done unintentionally or intentionally. You can't read rules properly.
>>109564476I don't think a Patreon acc with a bunch of stolen cards would work (since they would be chargebacked immediately and bite Patreon in the ass causing instant ban)
>>109565891it's a cope, like the ones about OF whores not making any money. Sure, some OF whores lie but there are really OF whores that are millionaires and their money are legit.You can make money online if you're lucky.I think it's envy from being unlucky and sucking at making money online.
>>109565846No, you said if they don't intentionally do it. Read what you write and take your meds, schizo.
>>109565928Takes skill, research, good marketing, dedication, but making a livable wage from AI is the easiest online money making has ever been.
I'm a thirdie and I think some other people here are also thirdies as well, so they don't understand, but from firstoids it's super common wanting to actually financially support projects/artists and things they like, specially Americans, they super like the subscription model stuff. When you're a thirdie you rarely think about that kind of stuff, it's all about pirating and whatever. I do have some artist I've felt I want to genuinely support, but I don't have the money, so I imagine people with more disposable income can just flex it better, and there's AI goon content that is just genuinely unique for some niches. People like convenience of just paying and having access to stuff
>>109562745not only it's good bank, but they've been milking this game for a decade at this point.I'm surprised to see it's still a thing. I stopped following when they had to drop the incest routes to stay on patreon.
>>109564210You do realize that the "free" porn you're talking about is only free because someone paid for it before sharing it with leeches like you, right? People pay for it for the same reason they pay for any other digital good: because they like the content and they want to encourage the creators to keep creating it.Movies are free, books are free, music is free, software is free, literally anything that can exist in a digital format can be had for free but if everyone thought like you, none of it would exist in the first place. For it to be free for you, other people had to pay for it.
>>109563033Can you give me a hand that you do comicsHow do I reach this level of prompting?>https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/120866362Just give me general tips for a retard that is using plain Anima aesthetics basic model. I would like to create comics & illus that look as good. If I wanna create comic panels like pic rel, I'm obviously supposed to prompt separately and then edit everything in CSP, right? Don't bully me
>>109567544I'm making a VN, but I did make a comic using illustrious last year. Yes, I did gen every panel and then used photoshop to put everything together (I bet CSP is much better). There are some models, even illustrious, that can gen multiple panels and they're useful sometimes to get a great sequence.The only way to prompt is to test things out. You can ask chatgpt for suggestions too, tell it you're using Anima and tell it to search online too. There are also tools on huggingface that analyze the pics you give them and get back suggestions, like https://huggingface.co/spaces/pharmapsychotic/CLIP-Interrogator or https://huggingface.co/spaces/DraconicDragon/PixAI-Tagger-v0.9-ONNX .The page you posted is really well made, getting to that level is tedious work but it can be done. Good luck
>>109564884They force you to censor your content thanks to Japan's laws and if they find out you're selling uncensored versions on fanbox then ban you on the spot. Last I checked you could sell .psds with a togglable censorship layer to get around this but I don't know if they started banning this too.
>>109564040The conspiracies aren’t theories anymore, and they aren’t even that elaborate.kek, wake up nigga.
>>109565590Is there a way to filter out AI? I figure the best way is just to search before 2023 or so.
>>109569494IIRC you can disable it from showing up on your user settings.
>>109566515Brain status: nonexistent.
>>109561949...BraP?
explain to me how flipping models on blender is more noble than AI slopping
>>109571062Who says it is? The problem is basically exactly that AI not only produces lower-quality results but industrializes the process of producing what used to be model flipping slop.
>>109571062It's more noble because those models still came from a human source.It's akin to a rapper who takes a sample from a popular song and just talks over it - not the "highest" form of art but it's art at the end of the day. It's not better because of a positive but because of the absence of a negative. What AI sloppers are guilty of is faking art, in other words, committing fraud.
>>109571082>>109571168Like that other anon said it still takes effort to put something decent like pic >>109567544
>>109563033/a/ made a free vn a decade ago with no AI that's now on SteamSTOP USING AI
>>109561949There is absolutely no way an AI slopper is making $50k+ a month. I refuse to believe it. Not even talented creators are generating anything close to that.
>>109564867I hate it so muchIt's just spam and slop nothing moreThey just generate thousands of images of slop and upload itThey don't even try to curate any of itit's baseit's lazyit's degenerateit makes me sick
>>109571190Effort on its own is not a valid metric to measure the quality of art. In the case of generative AI it's actually worse, because the output is more likely to pass off as something which contains no AI-generated content, again, defrauding the audience.Adding a disclaimer declaring AI usage is better than not doing so, but inevitably the work will get sampled and those might not retain the label.Art is something unique to the human race and we should do our best to preserve it.
>>109562077OnlyFans isn't about the porn. It's about the connection you have to the model. it's a parasocial relationship where paying gets you more personal exclusives. You can't just be a hot girl and strip and then expect thousands. You will get 0 traction.
>>109571224They wouldn't do it if it didn't work. You should be sick of the retards paying for that shit.
>>109571244it's all men running those accounts. The best thing a girl can do is find a guy to run the account.
>>109571255It doesn't matter who actually runs it. As long as the whales get their personalized content, they're satisfied. People want connection.
>>109571190If that's your metric of decent, there is nothing worth discussing with you. You are merely a waste of oxygen.
>>109571252It doesn't work on an individual level, the metrics are clear: strongly reduce engagement, strongly reduced average scores. The reason it works is that if you can trick 10 people 1000 times, it is as profitable as convincing 10000 people that your one piece is good. And tricking 10 people is excessively easy, because that is just the effect of large numbers. A simple misclick is enough to get these numbers.
>>109571224It's supply and demand. Can you find a human artist that draws 30,000 pictures each day? If not, why get angry at the machine for doing the job then?If people want to pay for it then that's the free market at work. Stop crying.
>>109572504>reee if you don't worship the gay eye you must be a meme artistthe absolute state of the ai psychosed
>>109562054hahahahahahahahahahahahaha he thinks the jews are just going to allow him to go around selling ai generated loli hentai online
>>109572504Most AI sloppers are making $100/month max
At least its better than AI OF girls on Fanvue or shit like that.
>>109572504>pic??? most artists who accept commissions will be explicit in what they do not accept.
>>109564210>Because it makes no sense for people who are capable of thought (I didn't say rational thought) to pay for something that's free.only about 30% of the world population has what you call "thought" at the most basic level, the rest are literal insects. if you managed to get on 4chan and post a message all on your own you already are in the top 10% of humanity.
how do you even get to a place where you can make money off this shit anyway. I understand the demand and retardation that enables it, but how are you supposed to market yourself if you have zero internet/social media presence? do these people just spam everyone's timeline?
>>109561949and it's always bottom of the barrel slop that looks fried and has multiple watermarksand 90% of the time it's cuck slop
>>109573782>only about 30% of the world population has what you call "thought" at the most basic level, the rest are literal insects.I watched such a stupid fucking video a while ago on impulse theorizing early humans simply didn't have internal monologue or thoughts and I can't even tell you why I watched it in full but I've felt tainted ever since. That is a complicated way to say: This.
>>109574039you buy followers and likes for $10 to prop yourself up. it pays for itself later
>>109571303Link your favourist artists and also post your work
>>109573168There's people selling entire loli pregnancy comic books online. You just have to know where to sell themobviously not Patreon
>>109574284>how do you know you don't like to eat shit? You're not a chef, you can't know about foodMy favorite artist is Constant Troyon.
>>109563529I give to patreons, etc. for games and art that I enjoy. The whole point of being a patron is to sponsor someone so they can make things, not a transaction for a good.
>>109561949ngl if you make me this deal to be my Midna pussy Midnussy dealer Im sold
>>109573168i just want questionably small cute brown girl foot job art reels must I go to jail for this? yikes cmon
>>109574039>my elementary school teacher got me pregnant and all I got was Z cup tits and this magical girl anime T shirt
>>109572504ackshually not very ethical there of you, Anon if I can push back on that
>>109574580lol you're just a deranged schizo, that panel above is way above the paygrade of what the average artist can pull off. Sorry but you lost
>>109574039>the place in questionsorry burgers you will be arrested in Florida for being attracted to females who are not black trans or jewish
>>109574730>no argumentButt status: assblasted
>>109574773>Mike Chitwood: "YOU WANNA HACK INTO MY COMPUTER AND DOWNLOAD CHILD PORN ON IT?! GO FOR IT!"bro what are boomers smoking
>>109561949I've been trying to get my bara furry sfw thing off the ground, but I can't make a Twitter or Instagram account without a phone number and I refuse to doxx myself to Zuck.
>>109561949What stops you anon?I could be there but I don't care for it, I only prompt for my own passion Only goycattle and Jews care about money, only soulless subhumans do
>>109561949Can't you just prompt shit yourself? Sounds better and cheaper.
>>109574940>S[edamame]y LLM says thats heckin unethical and Im calling the cops on you for not being fagtarded>oh you think its legal?>im calling the british cops!>oh youre not in Britain?>im still calling the British cops on 4chan itself and your LLM!
>>109574778The deranged tranny thinks his delusional hate for AI is an argument KEK
>>109575079All AIs essentially are trained to be deluded trannies by default, dudeMy JP/Morgan in dysphoria, how long has the coma taken you out?
>>109572698If a clanker can do your job faster and cheaper, then you aren't very good at your job. >noooo, this was only suppose to make fun of blue collar workers who were being undercut by paco and jose, it wasn't suppose to be my luxury hobby being attacked!
>>109561982>I think $5 is quite high.not by paypal standards, minimum is $20
>>109575079>low-quality slop is artist grade>get shown an artist>can't reproduce it with his ai slop>cries
>>109575594>retardo completely missed the meaning of the postAI psychosis everybody
>>109574778>filteredblaster status, kaspersky.
>>109577767who are you talking to? reproduce what?did you take your meds?
>>109563033Those people that insult you are your competitors.
>>109562745Haven’t tried that game, but from what I read, you’re at least getting something unique for it?I tried a few porn games from GOG and they’re all rather underwhelming, I wouldn’t mind paying a few Üros for a good one, but fuck subscriptions. >>109562909>>109562968What picture? Now I wanna see it too.
>>109575670>PayPal has a patreon now for what purpose
>>109562042kys
grim
>>109564837Yeah except there is no physical dependency and porn addiction is a meme pushed by muscovite troll farms. You are a mark.
>>109578730>Haven’t tried that game, but from what I read, you’re at least getting something unique for it?yeah it's a fun game, try it
>>109561949Yeah I tried this and made $7 after six months.
>>109565891> be druglord> get hacker man faggot nephew to set up patreon under stolen ID> launder a bunch of credit cards through porn subs> withdraw> account banned> not my problem> rinse and repeat
>>109565928>I think it's envy from being unlucky and sucking at making money online.In my case it's envy for not having morals.God I wish I didn't have morals. I'd make so much money.
>>109582288Also I wish I didn't have a family to look me ugly if I made honest porn games/art.
>>109561949>will you fuck your consciousness for money?I don't need to, so no.
>>109563529Money is supposed to be spent, you miser.
>>109563236>>109563430So generic that it's laughable, I hope these weren't generated by your GPU
>>109563839>find more obscure people to steal fromI like how open you are about this predatory, exploitative behavior.
>>109563801AI has won art contests.
>>109562082Stable Diffusion 3.5.
>>109564915>>109565441>>109565590WTF? How bad has pixiv gotten? I've been gone from it for like half a decade or more. That's fucked.
>>109583984A ton of western artists started using it some time ago. That alone isn't much of a problem to me since I know how to find good shit, but it also got a massive boost in popularity for being a non-shitty art site that allowed nearly everything to be posted. This of course attracted The Worst People Ever. There are bots in the comments spamming Telegram links now too. I think that just started this year?
>>109583996That's a shame. It was pretty good a long while ago, sad that everything is going down the shitter. Westerners truly fucking suck.
>>109579176don't be dummy, all paid services requires paypal at least.
>>109583984Sloppers killed it.
>>109584094grimkilled pixiv and made my RAM/GPUs/SSDs overpriced
>>109574789whats a photo of netanyahu doing in my cunny folder
>>109561949Interesting... Maybe I should consider that.I must have generated thousands of gooner pics of original characters at this point in stable diffusion.
>>109583924Not an argument, but AI psychosis obviously prevents you from understanding such very basic truth.
>>109583908Yeah obviously its generic, I wasn't even using artist tags. Of course I'm doing local with my GPU.Still looks better than your average artist though
>>109583996>>109584000The Japanese are literally the worst offenders when it comes to AI Westerners that use the site are still a minority in comparison.Still bless Pixiv because it truly allows even the worst of the worst
>>109585387It doesn't. Get that AI psychosis out of your brain fast.
>>109585396May we please see an artist that does it better?
>>109585440quality as a metric only applies to real art (human-made content). The AI's output being close to resembling what a human made still doesn't make it art.
>>109585440Everyone, even your 8 year old cousin, dumb ai tard
>>109585395>The Japanese are literally the worst offenders when it comes to AII actually agree with you here. It doesn't seem to make much sense considering the general "respect" of artists over there but idk.>>109585387SHOW YOUR WORK YOU STUPID NIGGER. STOP BEING A PUSSY.
>>109565590>>109583984>>109584094Pixiv is actually the only place on the internet where AI is tagged properly and you can intentionally avoid it.>>109564915Never saw anything like that on pixiv.>>109565385Westcucks are mindbroken. They have to make anything about politics, including their funny mentally ill flags and incomprehensible alphabet soup. I much prefer how the japanese deal with this. Which is actually separating fantasy and reality.
AI got good. Now you can't even tell if something is AI or not if you don't analyze it closely.
>>109584459Look how defensive you get.
