I have seen no real answer about this matter online other than "use Tor".So let's say I become surveillance and privacy conscious like it's all the rage now. I start using a VPN because I don't like being "seen".What's the point if:>My web lurking activities overall remain the same (checking emails, youtube, /g/, checking stuff on pixiv or itch.io)>I connect to the same accounts I've used for years (not even necessarily social media, could be forums)>I use the same browser, the same extensions, the same uBlock Origin custom filters, the same violentmonkey userscripts (like 4chanXT, cs rin ru or steam)Is there any point in going to the extra mile of buying a mullvad subscription using monero or cash if at the end of the day I don't change my web browsing habits? It then begs the question: why would a normalfag use a VPN other than for fooling sites like netflix, torrenting and protecting themselves from copyright trolls or their ISP? Wouldn't they be better just using proton or literally any other VPN service like nord or windscribe?I could ask some LLM but I need non goyed responses
>>109562451>Is there any point in going to the extra mile of buying a mullvad subscription using monero or cash if at the end of the day I don't change my web browsing habits?No literally there is none. Just use the web anon. You are nobody. Nobody cares about your data.
>>109562451No one cares about your data, goy.In fact, there's no benefit at all to using anything other than NordVPN!
>>109562451Congratulations, you passed the retard test. VPNs have always been snake oil>don't trust corporations (ISP) with your personal data>but trust this corporation with your personal data insteadMullvad is the only one worth a damn cuz they have proved to not keep logs and give people a real private option to pay for the service. That said, it might not be long before it starts backpedaling (it's funding some authoritarian party) But for the wide majority of people who isn't torrenting, VPNs have literally no usecase. People who use monero to buy it always use it with strong OPSEC and anonymization in mind, pairing it with Tor and tails
>>109562562>cuz they have proved to not keep logsWhat proof is that exactly?
>>109562451ProtonVPN has the best free vpn available, even if they removed the ability to select servers. You still have unlimited bandwidth. Though when they remove the unlimited bandwidth, Windscribe is probably going to be the best free VPN, but with 10 gb bandwitdth limit.Most people don't have a use case that needs more than a free vpn.
>>109562755them being raided by Swedish law and the government leaving empty handed because there was nothing to seize.
>>109562792just give them your data for free lil bro>but proton has paid customers so they're more honest-they give your data to feds
>>109562801They wrote that report themselves lol.
>>109562805>they give your data to fedsthe only case of them giving information to authorities was when someone was using their e-mails for criminal activity. there's no known cases where they have given history of vpn. and the authorities only cares about high level criminal activity like cp, they don't care about ordinary people just using it to upload piracy. which is mainly what I use it forthe combination protonvpn and mega.io is great. and a fairly good alternative when all file hosting like catbox is being shut down
>>109562806>Regarding your request for copies of decisions and reports>The Swedish Prosecution Authority has received a request for an international judicial cooperation from another state, Germany, regarding a case ongoing in that state. In accordance with this request, on February 17, 2023, I granted a search of the premises of Mullvad VPN AB and Amagicom AB. This decision was implemented on April 18, 2023.>According to Section 17, Chapter 18 of the Swedish Public Access to Information and Secrecy Act, secrecy applies in activities relating to judicial cooperation at the request of another state for information relating to an investigation according to the provisions on preliminary investigation in criminal cases or matters that concern coercive measures, if it can be assumed that it was a prerequisite for the other state’s request that the information should not be disclosed.>Your letter also states that the question has previously been raised with the Swedish Prosecution Authority regarding this event. Unfortunately I can find no such request or inquiry.”another website where an interview where German prosecutor comments on it. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/internationell-brottslighet-bakom-husrannsakan-i-goteborg
>>109562451Mullvad is better than Proton. Proton is completely compromised.
>>109562936two shekels have been added to your account
>>109563090you have proof saying otherwise?
>>109563029>just give these cunts in the EU all your emails goy its free and private!
>>109562451There are ultimately only two use cases for a VPN:1. Tunneling traffic into another network so you can interact with that network (e.g. You need to use your computer at work but it only accepts incoming connections from the LAN).2. Tunneling traffic through another network to obfuscate it (e.g. You're stuck with an ISP that penalizes customers for piracy but still want to use a public torrent tracker for some reason).
>>109563142You're never required to prove a negative, besides, all I'm saying is you BELIEVE and trust what they say is true and I don't.
>>109563023>>109563073>>109563078>>109563090why were these posts deleted kek
>>109563582https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/109562451/nothing really obscene about them so he most likely deleted them himself. probably a schizo if I had to guess
I just use Mullvad to post here. Wouldn't post here from my home IP.
>>109564191How do you do it without a pass
>>109563527trying to say that mullvad made the claim as fake, yes you are required to prove that since there's more evidence pointing to the contrary
>>109564206Nobody said anything about not having a pass
>>109562562>retarded mullvad shill pretending they are the only company that does something every other company does as well
>>109564220I'm not "trying" to say anything. I AM saying, you cannot trust anyone nor anything you cannot and haven't verified yourself. I an a Mullvad user, btw.
>>109564326>ill keep moving the point of what im talking about so that i always appear to be right
>>109564366If you're too retarded to comprehend simple GED lines of inquiry, that's a personal problem.
>>109564390>shifts again
>>109562562>it's funding some authoritarian partydescribe how it would be bad? that party is only bad if you are an immigrant there
>>109564428at first it's >let's fight crime and brownoidsthen it's>let's restrict everyone's freedom and privacy for security ("fight against crime and brownoids")mullvad supporting things like this should be cause of a huge worry especially for a VPN
>>109564422Sorry you're so upset, pussy
>>109564455>clearly the upset one
>>109564451Because it's a business and they need to create demand. Only morons won't be able to process this.
>>109564468>>109564455
>>109564479>no you
>>109564653>>109564455
If it is important to you that the sites you visit not have your IP address - either because the feds may force it out of them or because the site owners may use it against you - then you use a VPN. Otherwise you don't need to spend your money.
>>109564699>no you
>>109564724>>109564455
My main VPN use is to watch geolocked stuff from other countries.
>>109564779>no you
>>109564803>>109564455
>>109562451I've used ProtonVPN one time because I needed to bypass a porn block on a site.
>>109564857>no you
>>109562451The only use of a VPN is port forwarding for torrents and Mullvad is useless now that they removed itProtonVPN simple as
>>109562451>usecases?1. Torrenting on public trackers2. Avoiding geolocation-based age verificationThat's it, those are your only two normie use cases. You don't need a VPN otherwise.
>>109562451I mean there are some genuine uses, mostly for corporations and things like that. For private users it's pretty much exclusively just for torrenting and bypassing region locking. Mostly they just go hard on the privacy marketing to nab a few retards.That said, I love how Mullvad handles subscriptions and I wish more companies would follow. Not for privacy reasons but because it's so fucking easy and efficient.>buy X months, no having to cancel subscriptions or shit like that, no scamming people with year long deals>get a unique ID and that's it, no having to manage accounts, no having to use email, just copy paste some text and you are good to goIt's a shame pretty much no other company will use it since it's actually consumer friendly.
theres one use-case for VPNs that nobody really brings up, and that its very useful for using getting different routes that have alternative backend peering options available, which can and does net you more speed / less latency on occasion.
>>109566546bookwalker.jp works significantly faster with a Japanese IP. that's the only time I've used it for that purposeI mostly rip from kobo now though so it doesn't matter all that much now though
>>109566546This happens especially if your ISP is too fucking greedy to fix its shit.
>>109562451couple of reasons i use itmostly unencrypted wifi like hotels and xfinity hotspotsi mainly use it for torrenting so i dont get copyright notices tooon top of that its also good to know its limitations because there certainly are but you would never know until you used itso its not just 'for muh privacy' but also to see how the real world reacts to itpersonally i never used proton but i do use mullvad and i do enjoy its feature set along with that i can pick a specific wireguard server to connect to to maintain a specific IP for...reasons>>109565868lucikly i dont have to avoid the age stuff, but this does also worki've used a VPN to just see the effects of age verification and it looks terrible
>>109562451I've heard that PIA is good for piracy and public wifi.
>>109566546Fair use.
i purely use it for getting pass japanese restrictions and I use it to hide my IP for various services that i might get banned on via IP. I should honestly just set up a vpn on my vps in japan but i dont feel like it.
>>109562451>ProtonI like it and their other services are great. But it feels trusting 1 (one) company for basically everything. So just use their free email service>MullvadGreat, the OG, no goyfluencer ADs. I know, people call it honeypot, but they upgraded to fully RAM servers (pre AI price hike), no logs seems to be true, according to the most recent raid and voucher, cash and crypto payments.4chan blocks vpns, youtube blocks vpns (unless logged in) and for plebbit you have to do server hopping sometimes. But who knows? What if the the CIA went to sweden and they have a cooperation? "From now on, all your traffic will be routed through our servers" if you say a single word, you will get lifetime in prison for hindering government work. Lol lmao... I know this sounds weird, but eh.. sorry.
>>109562451looking for wank material on harbor freight and whataburger's website when out of the country
glowie thread
>>109569830Nuanced and original take. Never head that one before!
>>109563155Irony being that Sweden (mullvad) is in the EU while Switzerland (proton) is not
>>109569929glowie post
>>109570355>>109569929
>>109570028Huh?
>>109562451Main reason to use a VPN is to avoid stuff like the sniffers charter in the UK, age ID stuff and other blocks.>>109562562It's not snake oil if it literally allows me to get around the age ID stuff and sites being blocked by the UK government...also, yes. If shifting my trust means trusting mullvad instead of my ISP then I do significantly more.
>>109562451The VPN only helps if you want to bypass location restrictions or torrent. Otherwise your not so private data gets in the hand of whatever provider you decide to trust instead of your ISP. Proton isn't safe.
>>109570361glowie anon
>>109573226>>109569929
>>109573282glowie uh... cute glowie
>>109573301>>109569929
>>109566905What do you use for ripping the mags/volumes?
>>109573671for kobo I use calibre/dedrm/obok with the kobo desktop app, you need to login with rakuten and not with kobo, but it still works. it's going to be discontinued soon in the future though, so I'll use it as long as it worksfor bookwalker I just use the scanlation school script. of course it's better getting epubs from kobo, but I've bought some volumes from bookwalker before it was nice to rip, and you get a lot of free volumes there, and the subscription model is really cheap and you get tons of magazines. I haven't used it in a while though, but afaik it still works, albeit slow without japanese vpn
>>109562459>Nobody cares about your data.If nobody cares about my data why is it being sold? I don't entirely disagree with you, but the correct answer is that the internet is fucking dogshit now go make friends irl, VPNs are only useful for piracy.
>>109573697Thanks>going to be discontinued soon in the future thoughThe Rakuten access or the kobo desktop altogether?>bookwalker before it was nice to ripYou mean it became easier to rip or the quality dropped?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXbzktx1KfU>>109562451>VPN usecasesTo Pirate and torrent and avoid the cops getting your ass.>I connect to the same accounts I've used for yearsYou do not do that on the PC you use torrent over VPN! >I use the same browser, the same extensions, the same uBlock Origin custom filters, the same violentmonkeyDo not do normie shit on this.>steamLOL using steam. >other than for fooling sites like netflix, torrenting and protecting themselves from copyright trolls orThese are the only reasons to use a VPN.PS:>I use the same browser, If you do not use 2 browsers minimum you are a retard.
>>109573738the desktop app altogether, they're discontinuing the product. but they said it half a year ago and it's still up so. probably when they make a new interface for their store if I had to guessbookwalker has always been hard to rip from, some people used a backdoor to get direct epubs, but that was closed last week or so. but what I meant with nice to rip, is all the free stuff and the subscription model. for like 1000 yen or something you get a lot of magazines and volumes to read.the quality is pretty much the same across bookwalker, amazon, and kobo. they have the same sources. cmoa is worse though
>>109573758I only use vpn to upload pirated content. No one's going to get in trouble for torrenting in any country except for USA pretty much. But I don't want to take the risk when I upload stuff to mega. Used to use catbox but it's borderline useless these days, and mega still works. Poorly. Otherwise geo block I guess, but I haven't used that in a while. And it's a pain now with the protonvpn random selector, though it's pretty much only USA access I need these days, and I usually get it within the first couple of tries.
>>109573860>to upload pirated content.>get in trouble for torrentingFun fact if you download a torrent you also upload it to other seeders.Either way VPNs are for this not for logging into your bank or browsing facebook. The other reason I can think of is if your landlord is paranoid and looks up what you are doing on the internet all day. So instead of seeing all these 4chan URLs to disgusting shit he will see only a connection to the IP of the VPN.My landlord is paranoid and accused me of hacking the WiFi once he did see crazy amounts of traffic on the router. In reality it was me running archive scripts on 4chan threads in GIF etc. So I presume that be a use case for VPNs or TOR.However TOR project hates when you sue their network as a VPN since they hate anything other then their retarded browser on the network.
>>109573758>online>copsThat's not how it works. Even the Feds don't care about your online activity as long as you aren't selling drugs, making death threats to politicians/the president, doing terrorist shit, or involved in any way with CP.
>>109573924OK whatever copyright mafia.Will you send more cease and deist to people who torrent your shit shows?
>>109573934Doesn't even happen anymore. I've never received one, even back in the days of using public trackers when they actually did go after people. Now they try to go after illegal streaming sites, IPTV, etc. If you're still using public trackers, you're a dumbass anyway.
>>109573818Thanks for the run down Anon, I'll start looking into it, I've been out of the scanlation for a few years and now raws are at everyone's fingertips and regular people even have easy access to tools like OCR and AI translation.
>>109574000Yeah, for MTL translation the best choices now are probably Panel Cleaner for ocr and chatgpt for translation.
>>109573918>Fun fact if you download a torrent you also upload it to other seeders.sure but you're pretty much not going to get into trouble for torrenting, but uploading pirated shit on mega or similar can get you in big doo doo
>>109562451Can't use Claude without vpn
Which vpn has the best obfuscation capacity if it's really important for me to hide from my ISP/the feds that i'm using a vpn? Feels like every site in the web has blocked mullvad at this point, all the privacy and for no use. Can't even post on this hellhole site with any vpn without giving them personal info or money.
>>109575804Yeah, mullvad is becoming unusable. More and more sites being blocked. I did a month of windscribe, and it was better in that regard, but not something I trust.
>>109562451Only Mullvad VPN is good. MADE IN SWEDEN is actual quality.
>>109575625Explain
>>109575625I can't use claude because it wants a phone number.
>>109576002smspool
>pornhub is blocked now via regionOkay, yeah. I know. I literally live under a rock but what the fuck when did that happen and why? I honestly rarely used it to begin with (not enough anime whores) but yeah. Is there a bypass around it other than "just use a VPN"?
fpbp, in fact the best privacy is not doing anything out of the ordinary. Just blend in.>hides your IP from p2p applications>bypass isp fuckery>bypass blocks and encrypt traffic on public wifi>isolating certain activities from whatever profile they might have on you (porn)These are the few usecases. Even if you're doing something illegal you're better off trying to blend in or going full Tor schizo.
>>109576161Where do you live?
>>109575625what
>>109576190East coast FL
>>109576213The EU decided that you should lay off the porn, sorry bro.
>>109576161>when did that happen and why?A year or two ago. Some states are mandating privacy invading age verification and pornhub doesn't want to host or be responsible for all that private information and tying it all to an account.
>>109569929I use a VPN on my GrapheneOS phone and use TOR on my desktop and laptops.
Using VPNs with AI such as Gemini and Claude are useful. It minimizes fingerprinting and tracking. It is especially useful on cellphones for this use case
>>109562562>(it's funding some authoritarian party)How come a somewhat niche VPN provider has cash to fund political parties? One would expect an anti-establishment group to be in need of money.
>>109576181I don’t have a land line and only use phone for internet. I use share internet on my phone on my pc. It changes IP every day, or I can just restart it or turn on and off flight mode to switch IP. Works for me, 25 mbps line, and about 60 ms ping which is good enough for me and any games I play.
>>109576161Why would you want to access pornhub out of all sites? That's like intentionally paying extra for the lowest quality products.
>>109578537I pretty much only watch amateur porn these days. I've probably fapped a liter of seamen only for white_boo and porcelain doll.
>>109562451The only point of a VPN is circumventing geoblocking
>>109562451just in case nobody answered this: you're not suppossed to access mail or globohomo accounts under a proxy or hideout you use to browse everything else
>>109578634but I need to bypass the twitter EU adult content ban
>>109577704Literally nobody asked
>>109579612>nobodyyou don't have to telegraph that you're an nobody, anon, it's obvious
>>109579622>an nobody
>>109579635>omg a typo, I winjfc you can't be serious lel
The only use case would be for torrenting but even that is superceded by I2P which is free to use.
>>109562451Hiding from glowies
>>109562451time for a healthy dose of spoonfeeding>torrenting (especially seeding so you aren't a leech)>anonymizing your home IP>evading IP based bans, and causing tranny admin clits to leak because they realize they can't enforce their only "power".>as a extra layer ontop of blocking telemetry, to further anonymize yourself on software that harvests your telemetry (picrel is what happens if i block pisscord's telemetry for example)>getting around ISP blocks (some ISPs block websites like Place4Pony for some bizarre reason)also ignore retarded doomposters like >>109562539 and >>109562459 minimizing your data leakage and making sure they have a outdated profile on you is useful and if normgroids did anything as simple as using uBlock's tracker blocking list (which is enabled by default afaik), then a perceivable change would be made. Picrel for pisscord auto-ai seethe because i block their telemetry services and don't use their cucked client. (shitty AI can't even list anything I've spammed?)
>>109578182True, VPNs are only good for specific cases. They aren't this magical privacy hack that will stop mossad from building a profile on you.
>>109562451They're both good. Although I put more faith and trust in Mullvad, but even then I don't trust them completely.
>>109562451ProtonVPN's free IPs don't work on twitter and meta globohomo apps to bypass the age verification thing anymore. Even when the IP address is set to a country where the laws don't apply, ecchi or otherwise strong suggestive content content is still restricted and it asks for the user to prove their age.At least in my case. I'll try using another account I haven't logged into for a while so they have less previous data to work with and determine my true country of origin. Other VPNs too just to be sure
>>109581471There's no such laws for that here in pandereta country and I still had to verify my age and have to login every time some anon shares shit rated 18+
>>109581471I pretty much only use xcancel and sotwe so that's not an issue for me. I can't remember the last time I use my twitter account.
>>109562451Didn't read past the title.Usecases for VPNs:1) pirate shit if you're in a shithole country with shit isp.2) write faggot to someone online if you're in the uk without nasa fbi cia nsa csi miami ji idf trump obama carter fonderlayne gangbanging your corpse.
