>The F-22's avionics used Intel's i960MX processor.>32-bit. 25 MHz. It turns our smartphones are 1000x more powerful than the processor used on the F-22 fighter jet. https://x.com/straceX/status/2088402930076352762
I didn't have to do much, pretty much just direct and coordinate other self-contained modules
>>109565402are you the chip?
>>109565406when I'm wearing my i960MX fursuit I am
>>109565378> Around Lot 5 production (mid-2000s), the Air Force began swapping out portions of the old i960-based processing cards inside the central Common Integrated Processors (CIPs).> They transitioned to PowerPC processors equipped with Motorola's AltiVec vector execution units for heavy radar signal processing and data fusion.> The modular liquid-cooled CIP design allowed technicians to pull out older circuit cards and slide in new commercial-off-the-shelf (COTS) PowerPC cards without redesigning the entire aircraft frame or flight control wiring.> During the 2010s, software demands for weapons integration (like AIM-9X and AIM-120D) outstripped hardware capacity. The USAF executed memory expansion, processor node additions, and bus speed upgrades within CIP 1 and CIP 2, while utilizing the extra physical slot reserved for a third CIP.> Recent modernization initiatives introduced an Open Mission Systems (OMS) compute enclave.> By adding modern auxiliary mission processing units running containerized software stacks (such as Kubernetes and Defense Unicorns' software deployment layers), software updates can now be pushed directly to open compute enclaves on the jet in minutes rather than taking months of OEM integration.The F-22's core flight-critical processing relies on a hybrid of modular legacy CIP hardware (updated to PowerPC-class chips) paired with modern OMS open-architecture co-processors handling high-speed data links, IRST sensors, and autonomous teaming algorithms.
>>109565378You'd be surprised to learn that the military doesn't actually use a lot of bleeding edge hardware. The stuff they keep in the dark are typically breakthroughs in extremely niche parts of computer science eg. efficiently sharding/parallelizing operations over different data streams to enable sensor fusion.
>>109565427Did they ever use MIPS cpus? This would make sense.
Reminder that they started designing the F-22 in the eighties. If the Soviet Union hadn't collapsed it would have been in service sooner with even shittier processors.
>>109565378>It turns ourYou see the military shit for the first time in life? It always like that.
Do you actually know what avionics software has to do? Just because it's a fancy word doesn't mean it's fancy software.
>>109565582PowerPC is RISC
>>109565378> you need a 64-bit multi-core CPU with a frequency of over 3GHz to load the average modern bloated AI generated website trying to sell your data and sell you ads at all times> only a 32bit 25Mhz CPU needed to conduct air force operation to topple foreign government and secure complete air dominationJoke of a world we live in.
>>109565378Still more secure than the modern shit Intel pumps out with the Intel ME malware backdoor. At least the 2003 chips don't come with ME.That chip is good enough, even by todays standards for most things.
Modern day 64-bit intel CPUs have such a large attack surface that its inadvisable to use any x86 hardware for anything that's critical to security because of the hidden danger posed by all the instructions they keep adding, all the bugs they keep finding, and all the microcode patches that they have to slap together to make sure the systems don't crash.The Goy86 architecture is just that, it's for goysThis is outside of the OS's control, by the way. Don't think your super-secure OS is going to fix anything.
>>109565427How much of this is made in needfulscript?
>>109565378indeed, what's your point?
>>109565777Huh what? Intel just certified a rad hardened version of core ultra for space and military applications. NSA routinely has Intel and AMD produce special versions of server cpus, they just use their own bios.
>>109565378Yeah, they're held back because both iOS and Android are dogshit locked down OSes. You can see this with the Macbook Neo and the iPad Pro, the Neo is infinitely more useful because love or hate MacOS, it's an actual OS that can do real work
>>109565786Very little if anymilitary contracts have to go through US workers unless you can get a waiver saying no US company/workers can do that work. And they're a pain in the ass cause the government makes you prove the waiver is needed every 12-18 months and they force you to provide a plan/process to move things stateside within a few years so you stop sourcing from outside the US ASAP.
>>109566157Restrictions like this exist even outside the military. Corrupt money-funnels like the Fly America Act apply to all federal employees, for example.
>>109565652PowerPC is RISC but is not MIPS.
>>109565378i neen 64gb vram onboard so i can tell killLLM to hey do bombrun and then gun those apcs
>>109565743>32bit 25Mhz CPU needed to conduct air force operation to topple foreign government and secure comus hasn't won a war in 100 years and they're currently getting their asses kicked by iran and their houthis.
>brown noises
>>109565378>imagine stockpiling CPUs for a fighter jet.What's his point? OK, I've imagined it. Makes perfect sense. Why wouldn't I stockpile them?
>>109566505Just a moron.Especially since all of that shit was replaced within a decade, and then replaced again 2-3 times with updated powerPC based upgrades.
>>109565378dedicated task vs genralized task for consumer products.
>>109565429Then why do we always lose to desert people
>>109566622no one in charge ever thinks of an actual victory condition
>>109565429so what makes it cost so much? the metal isn't expensive, jet engines are fairly simple and they have no electronics
>>109566647corruption.
>>109565378Even the F-35's main processor is far outclassed by even a low end phone, but that's obviously not the point since avionics need to be deterministic and run RTOSes.
>>109565378That's because they're general purpose devices, you intensely stupid motherfucker.
>>109565378For some reason it feels weird that the F-22 is THIS old. Like holy shit, I thought this was still future-tech but then I check and it's no longer 2007.
>>109566749It still outclasses anything any other country has produced in the past 20-30 years.
>>109565378and it's likely running c or ada code. so what?
>>109566675I want 64 gigs of NOVRAM, where can I buy it?
this game came out in 1997, nigga
>>109565378>Intel's i960MXThat probably had to be Intel's only contract with that chip. Basically no one else uses Intel shit outside their x86 CPUs.
You best start believing you're in an intelligence gathering thread. 六四事件, "Tiananmen Massacre"
>>109566622We're faggotsFaggots can't win wars.
>>109566622Because those desert peoples use stuff stolen or based on tech created by the west.
>>109566647A lot of little hat people need their 10th residence in Boca Raton.
I wonder what these little fun trucks run their IR sensor processing on.
>>109566749would you intercept me?i'd intercept me
Sex with fighter jets.
>>109565743blinking white ligh plane flyes by
>>109567592cheap Chinese dual core 32bit ARM SoC meant for set top boxes
>>109567812tsmt
>>109565402The chip knows where to direct other self-contained modules at all times.
>>109566956>pfff, that's nothing, Soviets aeronautics worked on purely electro-mechanical stuff
>>109565429Only naive people would be surprised. Every organization is a sloppy mess of duct tape and cardboard.
>>109565378the i960 is super interesting, it has hardware memory protectionhttps://www.righto.com/2023/07/the-complex-history-of-intel-i960-risc.html
>>109565406
>>109566840imagine using broadcom network device
>>109565402Imagine all the billions being spent on massive compute, and here we are witnessing the first cpu to become self-aware, being a 25MHz i960MX
>>109565378This entire tweet makes zero sense when you actually do the math and breakdown that a single F-22 used 35 i960MX chips in it.Which means if the USAF bought the "last 820 chips" as a "stockpile" that's barely enough spares for 25 of the almost 200 F-22s ever built.
>>109567592anon that looks picture tube tv camera
>>109566956>we landed on the moonlollmaohahahahahahahahahahahahnahahahnahnahahahahahahahhaahhahahahah
>>109565427Meanwhile the Russians are using washing machine processors.Fun fact: low end washing machine processors are comparable to the Intel's i960MX, just a little faster and 10 times more energy efficient.
>>109566622Because the US is run by jews.
It's almost as if you've already solved a problem you don't need to constantly upgrade shit for no fucking reason.
>>109568464You need replacement parts.
>>109567592unironically this >>109567822and other rugged forms like the Dell Latitude 7230 and Panasonic rugged series and such that usually have decade old chips but still cost an arm and a leg.
>>109566749it was designed in the 80s and 90s. no other country is any different, nor can they be. that's how this sort of technology works.
>>109568464tows good with more fender panels?
>>109566647>jet engines are fairly simpleonly in theory. turns out implementation is a bitch. but i am sure you can show everyoe how it's done anon.
You too can run old software from the 90s and experience the PC equivalent of flying a fighter jet capable of pulling more Gs than a human can physically handle. If you don't need to use the latest valleyshit, don't.
>>109565378Who the fuck needs AVX-512 for a fighter jet anyway?
>>109568630they probably need crazy custom vector shit for dsp though
>>109568145having an actual globe rolling around in there makes this giga-sovlful
>>109566647A few reasons:- Highly specific, and all parts of the specification must be met or given a waiver by the government so it all has to be validated too- Integrates with a lot of other highly specific technology- One-off design- Limited run: less than 200 were ever built
>>109566647>jet engines are fairly simple and they have no electronicsWhat an ignorant thing to say.The jet engine might unironically be one of the most advanced pieces of modern technology.The manufacturing requirements needed for a modern jet engine are so massive that only 6-7 nations on earth have ever done it.
>>109565378um let me guess u "need" more??
>>109565378They also have a stockpile of legacy FireWire chips because they used that to make F-22 components talk to each other.
>>109566749the f-22 was produced at the peak of the us technology and they literally lost the technology to produce it during the production run
>>109566763it can't be deployed; it fundamentally fails to function.
>>109568867it functions so well, all other countries stopped trying to compete with it. people talk about air superiority? we have air supremacy
where did you guys learn so much about this
>>109569012years of wasting my life
>>109568863true and once ai solves ew we will literally have no advantage except money and a slight manufacturing edge
>>109569012the f22 is the pinnacle of dogfighting technology. how could you not?
>>109565378it's like this for a lot of military tech, don't the nuke launchers and shit run off of cobol and they only have a certain amount of spare parts for the specific hardware left?
>>109568647I'm pretty sure custom FPGAs are used in anything that needs the compute.
>>109569052>Pinacle>25Mhzinb4 "but muh bloat, muh optimised". It's still a very backwards thinking process and modernisation options shouldn't necessarily be chosen, but they should be ready to drop and be very agile and flexible. That's what I don't get about technology. If it's so advanced and "smart", the drop-ins and design should also. Not simply "muh we've been doing this for 25 years". That's static as fuck.
>>109566622Why does a Molotov beat a tank
>>109568707The irony of this post made me lol.Affirming the consequent.
does that mean that its also the last known chip without a backdoor?
>>109569228What irony?Are you projecting?
>>109569249Read the entire post, goofball.
>>109569253Again, it's fucking true, so there is no logical fallacy; there is zero assumption being made.We know it's true because nations have tried and failed for DECADES.India has been trying and failing for almost 40 years. China took decadesSouth Korea is just starting formally, and they don't plan to have a manned fighter engine until the mid/late 2040s at the earliest.This isn't an assumption; this is known established fact.
>>109569293I didn't even imply whatever you're talking about and only read half of it since you refuse to format your text. The only assumption I'm making is the one I'm making now, which is to assume this is LLM text.
>>109565378hey @straceX, how much money have you made so far by shilling your own post on 4chan? did you make enough to feed your village?also, did you poo in the loo today?
>>109569304No need to keep proving you're retarded, you've done that enough already.
>>109569337>no substance, just insultsI didn't realize you were trolling at first I thought you were just confused. What's got you acting upset like this?
>>109569293Not that anon, but it's not really that hard. Any country that wanted to have fighter engines could have had one decades ago, but it needed certain economical stability and a war-like mindset to go for it.Same shit with your average nuclear program. Hell, South Africa had nukes back in the 70s, and it was fucking South Africa. It's mostly a matter of priorities, really.
>>109569354Sorry, but bullshit.The only reason they could've done it ~40 years ago is because the barrier to entry was ~20 years and ~$5-10B with a middling materials science baseline in metallurgy that would cost another ~$5-10B and take another 10-15+ years. The barrier to entry is now ~20-30 years and $10-20B, and the materials baseline has only gotten worse, and it's so highly specialized now that you need multiple materials that are wholly unrelated, CMCs, and single crystal superalloys. Both of which require billions of dollars and a decade or longer to mature to where you could actually build a modern engine from your efforts.Tldr; if you could've done it 40 years ago, you should've, because almost no one can do it today.Even South Korea's 2045 in-service date for their own engine is for an engine equivalent to the F414, which is a 30+ year old engine (and will be 50+ years old by 2045). If south korea wanted to catch up with cutting edge fighter jet engines they'd need 10's or 100's of billions, and 2-3 more decades. Even the nations that currently build engines, only 2 or 3 are really making modern 2010s+ era engines.
>>109565777Is there an architecture that wasn't designed by boomers and goyim for boomers and goyim?
>>109565743>you need less processing power to do one thing backed up by an army of programmers vs you need a lot of processing to generalized tasks that have infinite scopeshocking
>>109565378
>>109566443>they're currently getting their asses kicked by iran>US deaths: 20>Iran deaths 5000
>>109569530I think that's a Reddit and Github thing.
>>109569530So never?
>>109566763>>109568595Ahem
>>109569593
>>109569621
>>109565378Imagine telling the enemy that it only takes 23 n ½ units destroyed to completely flatten a program.It's a good thing there's no recent conflicts demonstrating large numbers of .. oh. Wait.>>109565881NTA... But...>rad hardened version>produce special versionsso ... Kinda nothing like what you'd find on the shelf commonly? Y'know. The stuff with the massive attack surface and prone to flip bits?>>109566443Don't forget the trade war they started and are losing with china.>>109566622A consistantly inaccurate assessment of percieved superiority.
>>109566647>so what makes it cost so much?Something you lack. Understanding what you're talking about.>the metal isn't expensiveEnlighten me anon, how much can you grow a titanium alloy turbine blade from a single crystal for?>>109568958>we have air supremacyExplaining why you're surrendering to Iran?>>109569052>the pinnacle of dogfighting technologyIt's a good thing that dogfighting is such a prominant part of the current aeronautical landscape... Oh. Wait...
>>109569907gotta love people like you coming in adding nothing to the conversation but just feel like arguing, not gonna waste my time
>>109569907>>109569899your skin is the color of poop lol
>>109569931what is this post adding to the conversation?
nigger it's a plane. how much compute do you think it needs to go "turn rudder x degrees"?
>>109569593>>109569621>>109569628Very cool plane. When are they going to use it to take over Taiwan? For all the shilling and flexing of the Chinese military they haven't been in any recent wars. The reality is modern warfare heavily favors defensive play and this was proven with Ukraine and Iran. More modern jets aren't going to change much.
>>109569410you need to realize, most niggers here are fucking stupid and have massively unwarranted conceptions of their own intelligence. they literally know nothing, aren't curious, and when confronted with something they are ignorant about will simply deny that it's real. you're effectively talking to the wind. these niggers are far, far smarter than elon musk, steve jobs and larry ellison and the government combined, they just would rather do other things, you understand.
>>109569593and?i remember in the 90s when the us deployed ram on the burkes. couple of years later the chinese had identical looking launchers on theirs, and all of a sudden flat panels started appearing all over chinese superstructures. and it was all bullshit, at the time china could barely even make computer chips and had to buy all their engines from russia. same china that mounts their hatches so they open inwards. on a ship. china puts on a show. whether or not there is anything behind it is something else. cue photos of the su-57 with giant fucking naked bolts on the wings. cue all third world faggotry.
>>109570012When is the US opens the Strait of Hormuz
>>109569967letting you know you're a brownoid faggot always has value.
>>109570053>when is the US opensI forgot it was browns and chinks hours right now. When will China take Taiwan?
>>109569962Evidence suggests otherwise.And really, if that's the best you can reach for in your desperate flailing, you already know how inept you are and nothing I can add will damage you more than you do to yourself with every action.Kudos.
>>109565743The real point is you're making a great case for Domain Specific Computing, instead of General Purpose Computing DSC naturally affects efficiency, while GPC destroys it
>>109565743I mean if we look at war in Ukraine they are using pretty modern stuff in the drones and rockets. But turns out there's no secret tech, it's the same consumer electronics you can buy normally. Le heckin special super secret dark tech was a myth.
>>109569593This is a demonstrator. The US had tailless demonstrators in the 90s.
>>109570053It doesn't need to because it gets virtually none of its oil from there. Meanwhile China gets (technically used to get. LMAO!) like 30% of its oil from there.
>>109569198oh i get it, youre retarded
>>109569907i dont even
>>109565378herbsat least mention milspec.absolute state of zoomers and indians.
>>109570192>pretty modern stuff99.8% of it isn't anything "new".Induction motor? They go back to teslsa. RF? That's Telsa too, tho Marconi gets all the credit... Accelerometers? they was clusterbombed into the landscape in vietnam....Custom bespoke shit aside, most of the ICs isn't 'new' either ... the 'newest' thing is probably the battery chemistry and that's decades old...>>109570236That's a very rhetorical statement. Still, it was nice of you to publicly demonstrate the limits of your capacity for understanding.
>>109569529>US achieved goals: 0>dollars spent: ~1 trillion
>>109569529yeah we all know they are bloodthirsty, still they achieved nothing
>>109569529for the low low rice of 200 million each
It's absolutely amazing how you're on the internet, have search one new tab away, and refuse to take 30 seconds to learn anything about anything.>why havent they updated....it has been, twice, the f35 as wellboth were designed to be able to be compute modular.>why are the processors so slowdedicated systems dont need high resources. you can run an led timing system from your phone, but a simple 555 chip will do it the exact sameHere's a good comparison.Two different programs that end up doing the same thing:Clock Tuner for Ryzen by 1usmus is a 600MB fileset for "autotesting" and setting CPU OC/PBO parameters.But that's all it can do is run cinebench and badly, really poorly, try to deduce the OC settings.SMU DebugTool is a 880 KILOBYTE application that has access to every CPU parameter of a ryzen chip.It can't do any auto testing, but you can directly brick your CPU from one wrong setting.One is an overcomplicated nonce attempting to compute it's way to an answer for a user who doesn't know shit, the other is the most efficient tool possible for someone who knows a ryzen chip by the engineering book.600MB, 800KB.
>>1095695291000 from those 5000 were young school girls
>>109570410Yeah....50 of an invading miitary force vs 5k civillians is an 'interesting' flex. Quite revealing...
>>109570351>>109570373>>109570387>>109570410Four replies within 20 min to the same post 4 hours agoHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>109570410Sorry achmed but the 5000 number is military personnel only.
>>109568268You didn't read Yukikaze?
>>109570218https://youtu.be/lwexLt9k0achttps://youtu.be/BkA0bkb6ZO0
>>109570410iran crying about human rights is a joke>>109570441brainwashing propaganda
>>109570441China consumes about 480 million barrels per month. They can use those reserves to supplement their lost oil from Iran for about 9 months. After that they would be forced to run their country on about 2/3 of its usual requirements indefinitely.
>>109570426not who that was aimed at... But you do understand that not everyone arrives at the same time?>>109570445>brainwashing propagandaThere some other use for docile media?Well, target tracking, I suppose... But beyond such nefarious intent...
>>109565378Our geopolitical adversaries would give anything to get access to the capabilities of this aircraft designed in the 1980's
>>109570523And there was me thinking china had already paid for most of it, and kicked in the backdoors and just taken the rest...
>>109570232>Posts no context or coherent argumentI guess the real retard just showed up.
>>109565378>plane designed in late 80s/early 90s uses old techwow
>>109566788You buy 64 GB of off-the-shelf RAM of your choice, and then you solder a battery to it.Remember to replace every [number] of flight hours.
>>109565378Fuck the F-22, bring back the SR-71.I don't give a shit about dogfighting or whatever, the SR-71 is just fucking cool yo.What kind of chips do you think are in this majestic plane? Considering it was designed in like the 1950s lmao
>>109565743>> you need a 64-bit multi-core CPU with a frequency of over 3GHz to load the average modern bloated AI generated website trying to sell your data and sell you ads at all timesThe sad part is that the ads make the most demands on the CPU while the contents are quick. Just a browse at Neocities will show this, while browsing a normal news site makes the fans scream in terror.
Why are tech illiterates so clueless about technology? It's embarrassing.How can you even start to compare consumer devices from today with a plane from 20 years ago? Just kys
>>109566647>jet engines are fairly simpleThe F-135 jet engine that is supposed to power the F-35 fighter has an ongoing problem with the coating. Specifically the blades shad its goating, thus sand blasting subsequent blades until self destruct. GAO is unimpressed, and nobody cares.Meanwhile, the jet engine that powered SR-71 was designed by real men, and the jet could eat landing light, shred it to åpieces and still keep on flying. That was a different era, a long, long time ago.
>>109570957> don't give a shit about dogfightingGood thing the further we get from WWII the less relevant that becomes then really...>What kind of chips>Considering it was designed in like the 1950s lmaoNot many. All the instruments are analog. You've got, what? Autopilot? radar? Weapons control?Manual lists ~3A of 'compute' on the DC Bus ...Considering they cranked out the first cruise missile from a chip outta texas instruments speak n spell, I'd guess it was something Ti...Read: https://archive.org/details/0003756-lockheed-sr-71-03/SR-71%20Flight%20Manual/0003756-lockheed_sr71__01/???
>>109571051>and the jet could eat landing light,If you're flying low enough to get a runway landing light in the engine, you're going to be having much larger issues to be worried about...If that's a landing light from the craft you're flying, even more so.Typically turbine blades self-denotate on impact for a reason... might want to look into why.
>>109565427>KubernetesOH NO NO NO!!!Kubernetes is written in GoGo is a garbage collected languageWe've been told our entire lives by Cniles and Rustards that garbage collected languages can't be used on real-time systems like missles and fighter jetsHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!Java sirs, we win again.
>>109571172>can't be used on real-time systemsI mean sure. The adults will say you can't.But you really can put milk into the toaster. Does that really make it clever though?
>>109571079>If you're flying low enough to get a runway landing light in the engineThe story was that the Blackbird was refuelling and during the process ingested a landing light from the KC-135Q tanker, and nobody noticed. The tanker landed, someone discovered a missing landing light and the Blackbird was recalled.Yes, thsy calle dit a landing light but it was not meant the light on the runway.
>>109571172>what is the hot path
>>109570957It's not the 1970s anymore. A plane needs to be mach 7, 140k feet capable to beat SAM shots.basically ain't happening
>>109571332Explains how - and more importantly, what.Sure, I'd not want it round the head at speed, but it's not a high mass object? Probably did less damage than birdstrike... Which engines tend to be rated to handle, even if it is controlled destruction caught by the cowling...
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