Telling someone to go read the docs isn't gatekeeping, the docs are freely available and will answer the question

>>109568121
reading is ableist

>>109568093
kill yourself

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>>109568093
Based
Fuck codetrans now we have the power and they can only seethe

>>109568093
This is actually true on many fronts.
Programming nerd gate keeping shit from normal people is what killed the entire thing

>>109568121
what if i dont understand the docs? i dont into python but for linux people always say to read the man pages but they are full of verbose language

>>109568162
You could have the AI explain it to you I guess, I am not exactly opposed to the OP, I just don't think his example is gatekeeping, choosing not to hand you the answer but telling your where to find it is fundamentally different, imo, from preventing you from attempting

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>>109568093
I hope you are proud of yourself.
You are collaborating with the destruction of society, and the creation of a dystopian nightmare were men in red underwear and thigh-high boots will shoot at people.

>>109568121
beginners don't have the background knowledge to understand the docs and need more handholding.
you wouldn't expect an elementary student to understand a legal document just because he can read.

>>109568606
elementary school student + legal document is a false equivalency

I would expect someone that choose to learn programming, and picked python, to be able to read documentation on python.

>>109568093
Vibecoders are still gatekept from coding. The LLM is still doing all the work for them.

>>109568562

or wave roll in cut bullet then burn tangas with cordite

>>109568093
>gatekeeping
The only thing that was gatekeeping you from programming was your own laziness and stupidity. Now you can be even lazier with AI and lose more brain cells! Great!

>>109568093
AI got all of its answers from StackOverflow you moron.

>>109568093
Truest thing ever!!!!! Those Discord servers, subreddits, other forums etc. were all filled with gatekeepers!

AI made them irrelevant, AI is kind and helpful!

>>109568093

Those egoist rude gatekeepers are irrelevant now.

Why do you expect me to just learn stuff by myself instead of spoon-feeding me?
It's society's fault that I couldn't learn to code.

>>109568093
"Uhmmm, just a find a problem and solve it sweetie.

Find something you like.

Programming is basically problem solving sweetie.

Find something you like and do it sweetie."

>>109568907
How is AI changing any of this advice? You are telling it to do something you want it to do. Are you seriously telling me you are asking AI to tell you what you want? Are AIniggers really this fucking braindead?

>>109568093
>>109568148

Irrelevant!

Obsolete!

Discord, SO, Reddit, /g/, UnknownCheats all obsolete!

"Uhhm find something you like and do it sweeetie."

"Programming is basically problem solving sweetie. Find a problem and solve it."

uh oh codetrannies are melting

BYE BYE LUDDITES!

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>>109568093
Ironically reddit and stackoverflow are part main training module for the chatbots.

>>109568121
True, RTFM && STFW, was never toxic.
That many project communities have turned into deadhead support by their friendly management is sad.

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>>109568947
>AI is a thieeeeeeeffff

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Bye Bye Tinker Bro

Go be a tinker somewhere else

>>109568093
>Uhmmm sweetie, programming is just problem solving, find a problem and solve it.

>>109568129
Trvth nvke

>>109568121
Rarely do they answer the question, and often its an edgecase where the docs are not applicable for whatever reason. I have had ones like this
>Its usually done like X, but that isn't possible in my case, is there any way to do it like Y?
>"It's usually done like X"
>But that isn't possible, this is why. This can not be changed, it must be like Y in my case to work. But then this error occurs..
>"If I was you I would just do it like X I don't see the problem"
>I've explained why. It isn't important anyway, who cares why I am doing it. Let me rephrase - it can be done like X, and it also seems it should be able to be done like Y, but it causes this error, why is that?
>"We've already told you the answer, you should do it like X"
It can go on and on like this for fucking hours. The trouble is most of the people answering these questions on r*ddit or SO are not actually that smart, they are LARPing as being smart. Their mindset to every question is
"Oh great, another stupid beginner idiot that I (a genius) have to explain every little thing to, its so hard being such a genius having to deal with these idiots all day"
So they have this real insufferable attitude all the time and yet never seem to adequately answer anyone's questions.

>>109568093
go back

>>109568947
Reddit minus the retarded antifa tranny shit.

>>109568162
Then you are too stupid to use Python.

>>109568121
my personal beef on this front is projects that have no useful docs or >come join our discord nonsense, but for a lot of software out there its just laziness for most people.
On the other hand though, I have been getting into trying to translate old games that never got a release in my language, and the amount of gatekeeping on those sorts of hobbies was substantial, so watching AI blast though it is incredibly satisfying knowing that it would cause immense seethe in the past.

>>109568093
>he felt gatekept from programming
>in the modern era where there are infinite learning resources
I too, blame others for my learning disability

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>>109568121
I've read documentation that was written by an absolute retard and was so shit I couldn't figure out anything. I guess being the guy that wrote the software doesn't mean they're good at explaining it

>>109568606
You have to do beginner courses then. Learn how syntax works and stuff.

This is the step that a certain demographic refused to do and ended up making threads like this to cope with still being unable to make things even with AI...

It's not just programming as a skill that's necessary, it's learning to develop applications and projects from beginning to deployment. How to have a vision and stick with it and realize it technically. It's a mental skill that has to be learned.

I'm not anti-AI in the slightest, but you have to be a drooling retard to feel "gatekept" from programming.
The unfortunate truth is that a retard will stay a retard, with or without AI.

>>109569538
>It's not just programming as a skill that's necessary, it's learning to develop applications and projects from beginning to deployment. How to have a vision and stick with it and realize it technically. It's a mental skill that has to be learned.
Furthermore, simply doing lessons and tutorials is enough to strengthen this. But some people can't even manage to do that. And really it's a necessity, to go through each process in development and end up with a finished project where you learned a few things. You have to be ale to do this following someone's instructions or you will never be able to itemize your own objectives and complete them.

>>109568121
malding codetrans is PISSED xhe got called out by redditors

>>109569075
You can drill through all of that easily with search engines though. All your answers already exist. I don't remember the last time I ever actually asked someone a tech question.

go on, grow permanently dependent on being spoonfed by ai, makes people who are able to search for information on their own all the more important. ^_^

>>109568150
Programming is still a thing. What killed it for you was your school system graduating students who are failing to learn. Learning is a skill. You need it.

>>109568606
I self-taught programming at 8 with just the qbasic manual. Are the beginners who are dumber than 8 year olds in the room with us right now?

>>109569583
Used to. It's true that it's impossible nowadays.
But anyway,
>>109568093
The problem is that 99% of what the AI says is wrong, despite looking right. You're not learning anything. Had you rtfm'd, within a week you'd be independently programming following good practice. With AI, you'll be getting yourself into deeper tarpits for 6 months before giving up on programming, having learned nothing.

>>109569559
You don't need someone's instruction, but it usually makes the process a lot faster to go that way.

>>109569075
The obvious answer is to backtrack the project, scrap shit or re-engineer until X is possible.

>>109569075
Actually AI answers this way but reddit often has a few comments that answer properly among the flood of shit, for example.

>>109568150
Programming is literally the least gatekept thing in history. There are millions of free tutorials, free answers on various websites, free compilers, free documentation etc.
Take any other field and it's 100000000% more gatekept (e.g. law, medicine, trades etc.).
The fact that it wasn't gatekept is what allowed llms to be able to code at all.

>>109568148
forced memes

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>>109568093
based

>>109568121
>>109568138
>>109569825

imagine having your entire profession getting fucking destroyed overnight and having the richest companies on earth racing to completely destroy your trade and make you homeless. get FUCKED

>>109568121
>Telling someone to go read the docs isn't gatekeeping
It is, in the extelligence era.
You need to understand that the newer generation of human's ability to retain and conceptualize new bits of information is way -way- lower than yours.
Their brain's fitness simply don't allow it anymore. It's a skill they never bother to develop, to begin with. As a muscle, their brain is atrophied.

>>109569856
It isn't about gatekeeping.
Retards wanted software without doing any work.

>>109569894
i'm not a software dev I am a retail wagie
"over night" since 2023
I don't know if you know this but those richest companies are public, I own stocks in them

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>>109568093
read documentation ranjeet

>>109568093
If anything good has come out of AI, its absolutely destroying the autistic prestige that literal mental retards glorified. Programming was never even meant to be a man's job.

>>109570030
Programming was always exclusively a man's job. It is the peak of huMAN intellectual achievement.
Cope and seethe while you serve me fries with that, wagey.

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>>109570030
>i didnt want it anyways
cope for getting filtered

>>109568121
the code is NOT the docs. Especially if it is macroslop in C or templateslop in C++/Rust

>>109570121
It depends how it's written. Test suites that are written via user stories instead of via testing units (I use this term instead of unit test because I mean the style of them and not their contents) are actually far superior to documentation, but very few people do this.

>>109568162
once you've learned how to read one of them the rest follows the same format?

Gatekeepers are a bunch of niggers that killed BASIC so everyone must go through university to learn basic programming.

C64 is where it's at. If you can't afford an old C64 or a new C64 Ultimate (C64U being arguably cheaper), then spin up a VMWare VM with TempleOS and learn HolyC or ASM from there. TempleOS has a lot of examples, everything is open source, compression bugs that break stuff which lead into good bug hunting material and the docs are straight and simple.
When I was younger I was messing around with my dad's C64 because it looked like something out of Fallout 3 and that's how I learnt BASIC. When I heard about TempleOS later on, I tried it and it was a pretty good experience and I still have it on my laptop for when things get slow at work so I can have a little fun coding.

Again, if your wallet allows, buy an old C64 or a new C64U, preferably getting a CRT if you lack one, but if you can't then get a TempleOS VM and learn from there.

Good luck and watch fun stuff like NINE by Linus Akesson a.k.a. lftkryo, they're pretty interesting and will teach you about different tricks you can pull with your C64, if you get one.

>>109570249
ok, and you used these skills in what project, exactly?
>i rice DE's

>>109570249
That is basically true. Yes BASIC is shit, but one might argue pascal instead or something, but the crux of the matter is that it's a real programming language (unlike scratch) and actually lets you do complicated things (like videogames) while getting off the ground very very fast (no need to learn ceremonies like public static function main(...) to even start printing shit). The same applies to most technologies: a single poke to blit vs importing a library and writing 100 locs to put an image onscreen, for one example.

>>109569538
This, there are countless free beginner courses in different formats.
Of all professions, programmers are probably the ones who share knowledge most freely.

>>109570260
I'm not a linux tranny to "rice DE".
I mostly work on fixing older hardware for clients in the industrial sector where it's cheaper to pay a guy to come and replace blown capacitors and fuses rather than buy the new super duper ultra mega winglows 11 industrial weakling whose parts will mechanically break after a month.
I also repair old consumer hardware and GPUs for fun and turn a respectable profit, especially if I get them for free.
I'm quite young for the role, but I'm respected for what I do.

>>109570290
wow. i stand corrected then
for my defence its a pretty damn niche market
and i dont think its an optimal entrypoint, it kinda railroads the individual into what youre doing
these arent exactly transferrable skills...

>>109570020
kek

>>109569075
I used to run into this shit quite often when I was a beginner. As I learned more I realized that I was wrong in 100% of these instances and my ideas were retarded. I can assure you that you're the same.

>>109569075
>asking questions on r*ddit
user error.
r*ddit is always wrong

even when i looked up shit about vidyaslop theyre never, ever informative in any way
either what they say is just wrong
or the thread looks like
>i have x problem with y. any help
>>me too
>>>posted 3 years ago
...

when youre out of sources, youre out of sources, but reddit wasnt ever helpful, not even once, regardless if i had a technical question or a frivolous one

>>109569818
yeah, nobody should ever receive any help in life that you personally didn't receive.

>>109568708
you didn't explain why it's a false equivalency. it's not.
I just looked up the first paragraph in the tutorial.
>Python is an easy to learn, powerful programming language. It has efficient high-level data structures and a simple but effective approach to object-oriented programming. Python’s elegant syntax and dynamic typing, together with its interpreted nature, make it an ideal language for scripting and rapid application development in many areas on most platforms.
data structures? object-oriented? syntax? dynamic typing? interpreted?
these words are all gibberish to someone without a programming background.
>>109569538
true

>>109570297
Yeah, the only way I managed to get to this position is because my dad used to design the software that some of the machines that I get to work on use, which helps a lot since strangers, especially youngsters, are seen as airheads and lacking actual knowledge in the industry. I'm long past my 20's, but I'm still young compared to other technicians in this field. My dad is long since retired and mostly spends his time messing around with really old BSD machines and newer BSD distros, like NetBSD.
I love my dad. I hope he'll live long enough to see the world become a better place. I dislike knowing that he only experienced crisis after crisis in the last 20 years or so, I hope he will experience only good times.

>>109570440
that was wholesome. have a you
otherwise: sorry to break it to you:
but things are gonna get a whole lot worse before anything gets better

i think the only practicable path is to isolate one's family from the rest of the world.
make money. buy estate in a place time forgot. buy tools. grow food. establish autarky.

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>>109569075
everytime I had a question when on an airgapped network or behind a corporate proxy
>just apt/pip/npm install the thing
>I literally cannot because the machine is airgapped, is there another way?
>just apt/pip/npm install the thing dudeee

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>>109568121
90% of manuals and docs are shit.

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>>109570518
>t. took an experimental vaccine and waived all liabilities bc hes got scared of a seasonal flu
vibetranies are the new vaxcattle

>>109570518
no refunds

>>109570407
The manual is the help, inbred. That's exactly the point. If that's too scawwy and hawd for you, you were never meant to program. That's like saying 'oooh everyone should be able to fly fighter jets even if they have to wear glasses'. No.

>>109570532
is the number of lawsuits filed be retards supposed to be a good measure of something?

>>109570540
Stop gatekeeping fighter jets.

>>109570431
If you can't make sense of that paragraph on your own, nothing and nobody will ever save you. Even actual retards (in an actual institutions) can figure it out. Don't ask me how I know. No, it's not about me.

>>109570466
>yet another nepobaby story
>wholesome

>>109570544
Unlike in america, lawsuits in european countries are serious business, and frivolous ones are rare to non-existent due to the nature of the process.

>2024
>now that I have AI I can make ANYTHING!

[spams 4chan for 3 years]

Do you know how many projects I've made in that time? Without AI, except for maybe search engine result summaries.

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>>109570544
well, the germs at least could file said lawsuits
i bet you still wear a mask, too

>>109570532
>hundreds of lawsuits
>0 lawsuits won
>>109570538
I didn't pay anything

>>109570564
In my country, nobody ever wore a mask. You can tell right away who's an amerilard tourist because they still wear masks to this day.

>>109570552
yeah. families should stick together
if a construction company boss hires his son are you gonna call em a nepobaby too?
bc im fairly certain that as a tradie, he earns more than the other tech-anon

>>109570567
You paid with your health and taxpayer money.

>>109570571
same here
nobody gave a fuck
we even rioted somewhat when the government started being too insistent on the vax pass and such

>>109570572
>if a construction company boss hires his son are you gonna call em a nepobaby too?
Yes, is that even a question? Get a brain, neporetard.

>>109570020
>r/indianhackers

>>109570586
ah, so youre just jelly someone else has familial ties.
welp, we dont all play with the same cards
if it can make the asshurt easier on you:
i was a reverse-nepobaby
i got a job with my uncle construction company
they gave me the absolute worst jobs they could imagine wit the goal of breaking me
and the faggot still owes me money because one day he decided im not earning said money by working 12 hours a day
hes fucking "gifting" it to me

its ok though, the next company i worked for appreciated my enthousiasm, and i finally could learn actual trades (i was only doing demolition and hauling shit around until then), climb the ladder

it is what it is.
strong familial ties are to be celebrated

>>109568093
I marvel at the contradiction that you need empathy to be a great developer, since you need to satisfy the actual needs of the clients, but programming as a profession attracts the most asocial low-EQ people imaginable.

>Me: Excuse me, I've completed this programming book. I've learned the syntax, concepts etc. but Idk what to do next.

>Luddite: Find a problem and solve it sweetheart.

No more luddites. Byeeeeeee.

>>109570625
lol you just said youre completely devoid of creativity
such is the lot of the vibetrany

>>109570466
I know, since everything is priced insanely high I barely break even, especially gas, its price is outrageous. I mostly do these repairs as a common courtesy and because it is fun, unless it's an emergency and the place is far enough away for the drive to be exhausting, then it isn't that fun anymore, but it's a good challenge.
My mom and my wife like working in our orchard, but it's been pretty difficult to harvest anything with this capricious climate. We mostly buy meat, milk and veggies from our local farmers and have invested in their businesses. They do have newer machinery, but I haven't tried to poke at the insides to see if I can modify the decompiled code, if it isn't encrypted in the first place. I also am afraid of souring our relations; at least they have older analog backups in case the newer machinery enters limp mode for whatever random reason, and if they get dumped by the manufacturers I could try figuring out how their newer machines work and maybe fix them, but that's for when that time will come.

Have a good one!
I'm going to sleep now, hope you are too!

>Me: Excuse me, how do I learn X?

>Luddite: Why do you want to learn X? Why don't you learn Y? Define X first.

Bye luddites, bye bye.

>>109568162

that’s good for your skill building anon, that’s why people tell you to read the docs

>>109568093
is this what passes as bait these days? that's actually sad.

>>109570647
heh, sounds like you have your stuff figured out allright.
its a refreshing change from all the gloom and doom one can see on this board

have a good night. take good care of your family, its the one thing that cannot be bought

>>109570030
Sour grapes

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every business in my area has AI Art posters advertising them
They all look the same it's so ugly
In fact they all look so similar I doubt these food stores and eateries and mom and pop shops designed these themselves
They all probably got the same kid to do it and he ran the same shit through all the AIs

Mind you these businesses has basically no kind of art like this before at the most it was a standard menu or chalkboard or something

>>109568093
>gatekeeping
Having to learn in order to do something is common sense, not gatekeeping.

>>109570600
>what, you don't like competent people having to rot in the streets while cletus gets to coast without doing any work so that his coworkers are forced to pick up the slack?
>you're just jelly
The absolute state of nepotards

>>109570617
EQ is not a thing, development and making a product are not the same thing.

>>109570845
>nooooo, you cant have family ties, its unfairt to me
tell that to your parents, blue haired freak

strong families and trans-generational wealth are the conerstones of civilization

>>109570849
>nooo you can't dislike that I'm causing a nuclear meltdown because I got my position through nepotism and flunked out of highschool nooooo
>muh family ties is all that defines me noooo

>>109570756
Foodora exclusively uses ai-generated art for every single menu item so it's impossible to know what's what

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>>109570873
>t. seething
have you tried being actually competent for once?

>>109570884
... that's literally what my post is about, nepobabies are incompetent and get put in their position, displacing competent people.
That's literally the point, nepoinbred.
Number of nepos who got to their position and ever learned even at a junior level: 0.
Keep crying, nepotard.
It's the same shit with houses. Most people will never be able to afford a house in a lifetime even making top 10% salaries. But boomers could afford to buy a house their first year on a cashier wage. Competence has nothing to do with it. Neporetardation is a hell of a drug.

>>109570905
given that the other anon is clearly competent
and even has direct access to the guy whos written the legacy software
hes obviously a valuable asset to his company

and youre seething at him.
because youre a blue haired freak whos got fired recently because youre an activist piece of trash

it is what it is.
moreover, it isnt what its not

>>109570924
>given that the other anon is clearly competent
Stopped reading here.

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>>109570980
why? because reading is hard?
how did you work through the communist manifesto then?
now thats indigestible

>>109570999
Are you perhaps not aware that 100% of blue haired freaks are rich white people who get nepobaby jobs form their family?

>>109568138
i just tell AI what i want and it just programs it, crazy...

sometimes i have to argue with it for hours to fix some problem that the AI says is fixed but is not, but in the end you get working product if you are persistent enough with the arguing with AI

>>109571004
no, they get nepojobs bc dei
blue haired freaks are parentless
thats how they ended up with blue hair
>b-but its the familial unit thats the problem!
suure, ofc.

>>109570848
Something tells me you're not particularly good at what you do

>>109571019
Only if the program is very simple. There are 2 key issues: the first is that any decent programmer would get this done in 1/10th the time at best, and that the perception of what is easy and hard to program is highly skewed among non-programmers.

Related to this, before AI you could have done 99% of the same things by just copy-pasting code from github. The setup would even have been easier and better documented, it would also be safer (from a security perspective), less buggy, and more modifiable (you would be able to change a config somewhere to change a color, instead of digging in the code to find where it's hardcoded by ai). But this never occurred to non-programmers who, when that option was presented to them, they used to say it was 'too nerdy for them'. Yet with AI, they are instructed to do even more complicated things and you guys just do it no questions. It's very funny.

Anyway, what you describe remains true and ai tech is fantastic to get non-technical people to create interactive proof of concepts that tech people can implement without all the bugs, security issues and so forth. But AI is totally incapable of implementing the right underlying algorithms, it's just good at making things that 'seem right' on the surface. This is extremely dangerous in e.g. sciences where it constantly does things like p-hacking, but completely harmless when your goal is to show the principle rather than releasing or using something.

people that moan and complain about any and all kinds of nepotism are ugly and useless
if someone hires you because of your family's name, because of who your father and/or mother are/were, then it means that you were born in a family that is liked, known and respected by those around you
seething about people getting jobs because they have connections is faggy; the only way you can get a job is if people know you and know what you can do, or have some sort of warranty that you're not some random dipshit that will fuck up everything the moment you are unsupervised, and those guarantees come only from proven personal projects or family legacy
this complaining about others just for their family's legacy is made solely by LGBTQIA+++ BLM ADL virtue signaling losers because their families have provided 0 actual value and their legacy is of drug consumption, alcoholism, sexual depraved behavior and violence

I understand those that complain about actual nepobabies - those that get an unfair boost and do absolutely nothing or actively sabotage others - but most of you communists complain about absolutely everyone that has any type of social advantage
you will never be better than your peers and will forever be a victim in your shit filled skull, which is why you're malding and doing absolutely nothing to fix your situation besides complaining and asking the state for gibs

>>109571037
I am one of the best in the world in my job, and I am paid consequently. Keep crying though.

>>109571056
I sincerely hope this is satire. Otherwise, you should seek help immediately.

>>109571056
>most of you communists complain about absolutely everyone that has any type of social advantage
they didnt complain when the advantage was theirs.
au contraire, they made a honor point of making fun of how the chuds got displaced (competent people who keep politics out of the office)

they only complain now because turns out theyre bad for business, getting fired for the exact reason theyre incompetent and got where they were based on preferential treatment
its the usual mental retardation of something becomeing a problem only when it affects you

>>109571070
>t. eunuch freak
reddit-tier levels of copium
watch some Sam Hyde, maybe you'll stop being so fucking gay for once: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeNVxttTJ8M
I know you won't, you'll go back to your pedocord and talk with your "girlies" about the "mean 4chud guy" then ask for nudes where the boobs and dicks are visible

>>109571093
Come on, at least try. Who's going to take this bait?

>>109571066
I'm sure being the world's best mud cake chef is a very fruitful endeavor.

>>109571105
apparently you did
>bc moms and pops businesses are BAD
>you should hire ME instead

>>109571105
aaawwwww, did I strike a nerve?
boo hoo, eat shit on camera for your furrfriend, uggo whore
how's that onlygoys of yours, by the way? are you making money selling your STD-ridden pictures of your obese ass, by the way? bet you ain't

>>109568121
>I'm looking for a synonym of warm
>lol faggot, go read the entire dictionary cover to cover and don't come back without a doctorate in English
This is you.

>>109571142
there are dictionaries for synonyms, its called a thesaurus, go read a thesaurus

>>109571108
You sound jealous of your betters.

>>109571142
The fact you think the right tool for this is a dictionary is precisely why you need to rtfm instead of being spoonfed.

It's over luddites

>>109571285
Why are you so defensive, mud Gordon Ramsay?

>>109571314
This is clearly not your speed. Why don't you go play with your daddy AI and let the people with above room temperature IQ discuss in peace?

>>109570540
>>109570550
wow, you're so smart. I think you're on to something. we should tell students to stop asking questions and just read a book.
why has nobody thought of this before? imagine the money we could save by closing all schools.

>>109571326
Why are you so desperate for validation from me? I'm not your dad, I can't do that for you. Keep churning out those artisan mud cakes. I'm sure there's a market for shit that nobody wants.

>>109571345
Have you unironically never went to school? You don't know how school education works? School books are something you've never heard of? Jesus Christ man.

AI makes redditors, women and liberals seethe and rage with impotent crying so it's a good thing

>>109571406
I already agree with you. close all schools. teachers are useless since we have schoolbooks.

>>109571427
Not that anon but I've legitimately held this position since I was a kid and experienced what most teachers are like.
It's a fact that the textbooks are generally written by vastly more competent and smarter people than whatever underachieving depressed wagie happens to be your teacher.
I think that kids who have the capacity for it will be vastly better off and build much stronger cognitive foundations by learning from books.

>>109571577
It's particularly blatant when you look at math. Even mathematicians have called out the fact that math education is specifically designed to be inscrutable as a kind of cult ritual, and is not made for actual productive teaching. I've also never heard of people actually learning things from listening to teachers. Even the dumb kids who have to study to pass tests well... they have to study don't they? Study what? Coursebooks, what else. Certainly not "notes".

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>>109568093
>ides are free
>text editors are free
>linux is free
>compilers are free
>learning resources are free
maybe i can see someone getting gatekept by not having a computer, programming on a phone or tablet seems cumbersome
other than this, what is the gate and who is keeping it? are you schizophrenic? no, youre not, youre just lazy.
you were always incompetent and wanted to fit in as a programmer, but you couldnt over your own incompetence and laziness. now ai has allowed you to larp as a programmer and you cant shut up about it
vibecoding is gatekept behind money
>free models exist
>its only 20 per month for claude
you really think itll stay this way? one day all of these ai companies will become complacant with the amount of users they have and decide its about time to become profitable
raise their prices, and youll start getting filtered and "gatekept" again, left and right
you will lose all your "skills", you wont be able to do your ai hobbies in your free time that you chose and choose not to spend actually programming, vibers wont be able to finish their university degrees they happened to be in the midst off when the rug pull happened
do you ever fear this future? or will you keep parroting how a still unprofitable technology is the greatest thing ever and will change humanity as we know it?

>>109571594
Too often do teachers barely understand the material they are supposed to teach, or understand it on such a superficial level that any prodding of it beyond what is covered in the textbook will result in embarrassed handwaving of the question away anyway.
It's not just an issue of teaching method but also ability, unless you go to a really prestigious school I suppose.
We'd rant endlessly about having to work alongside the kind of retards we let our kids be taught by during their formative years.

>>109570303
No, something like that happened to me maybe 3 times and I was right every time. The people answering me were not taking the time to understand my situation properly.

>>109570303
You sound like you're not even yet at the level of an intern.
t. 23 years of pro exp + 15 years amateur.

>>109569075
AI also answers like that a lot of the times.
Anyone who keeps insisting on answering like that is flagging themselves as stupid or not knowledgeable in that field. You can just ignore those answers.

>>109568121
I’d rather go have lunch and talk to a cute bartender over a few drinks that waste my time reading your autistic bullshit so I can waste more time trying to work within your arbitrary constraints.
Anti-AI faggots boil down to prideful idiots who want everyone to grind their lives away for literally no fucking reason instead of using the new tools for a freer and more enjoyable life, eat shit.

>>109569921
Yes dipshit, ding ding fucking ding.
Work doesnt afford an enjoyable or meaningful life in 2026. Its over. That meme is fucking dead.
No, I don’t want to work work work work work work work for fucking nothing. Kill yourself.

My dislike of stack overflow trumps any dislike I have or will have for AI.
>Google any question
>Oh sure stack overflow on top I'll check it out
>"Issue duplicate refer to this"
>Follow the link
>It's a completely different question
>If it's the same question they do it in a different way
>Or if they answer the question in the way you wanted it it no longer works because the question was 20 years old

>>109571913
I also think SO is shit (or was, thankfully) and have no issue with AI, but that doesn't stop me from making fun of vibecoder retards who think programming was somehow "gatekept" from them.

>>109571980
A lot of things are gatekept from me because I had a concussion when I was five and everything has been shit ever since then.
And yes, I aim to make it everyone else's problem too.

>>109568121
Unless you're talking about simple things like a man page entry or c++ reference pages then yes. But if you are dealing with specific conventions like how an embedded system expects this and that in such and such way then you will never be able to do anything because you will spend 99% of your time reading tiny text often translated from chinese. Better just ask grok

>>109568093
>I’m glad AI is here
kys

>>109572251
The exact opposite. In particular, the problem with embedded is that the manual is often wrong so grok will just lie to you and insist you're trying to gaslight it when you point out things are not working. Furthermore, the way that the embedded manuals are designed, aside from constant accuracy issues, is very straightforward to follow because it is detailed, even for chinese ic's. Much better than the average library.

>>109568093
This. I learned a fuckton from AI. It is a lot better than going through a bunch of humiliation rituals to make sure some random guy on the internet feels like his dick has been sucked.

>>109572288
You didn't learn anything, you just got the dopamine hit from thinking you learned something.

>>109572288
i love how easy it is to tell when people are just parroting claude and gpt and thinking theyve learned anything, they pick up the same incoherent isms around the topic that anyone who is actually learned can spot in an instant

>>109572210
based retard

>>109572328
>>109572357
Not that anon but how is reading from AI different from reading the documentation or anything else?

>>109572581
In the absolute most abstract sense, it isn't any different and nobody (sane) has a problem with that. The problems are everywhere else: in practice, it's not good enough to give you text in an educationally useful format, it makes shittons of mistakes (missing info and extra info that's false, saying something that's true but obtuse, telling you something that hasn't been state of the art in 20 years is how you should do a thing, that kind of stuff, blatant hallucinations are just one problem), and most importantly: proooompters generally do not want to use AI to learn (they lie to themselves on that topic and actually just want the dopamine) which means they specifically use AI as a crutch while convincing themselves they're learning, instead of as a learning tool (which requires more effort than actually using, say, a book anyway because of proooompt discipline requirements to get decent results).
The key fundamental issues is that AI can't tell the quality of sources apart, nor content age (because most content has no perceivable publication date, and the models were never trained with this in mind). The rest is just the usual issues.

>>109572581
not these anons
but you ask the llm for a minimal working example
which is a huge plus already compared to most docs
and then you ask it to explain whats happening line by line

you skip the whole "browsing the book" part

yes, i massively use llms.
no, i dont use them to write code for me or to debug
everything really goes faster. i also use it to ping-pong ideas against when it comes to architecture, interfacing, or even theory
its a search engine on steroids, and is quite reliable in that capacity, at this point
i may or may not be given the better openai models bc im constantly asked to evaluate the prompts, and sometimes get curious shit like the chatbot burning through all my alottment of tokens in one question (i use free tier, with my frequency of questions its more than enough. and for basic searches i use perplexity, which is free, and designed from the ground up as ai-assisted search engine)

>>109572581
llms are retarded when it comes to technical information and will produce unhinged sentences no human would ever want to read or write, which will out you as having learned from a disreputable source of information when you repeat them
llms will invent the 1% you cant verify at a stage of learning you cant identify it as nonsense, it's easier and more consistent to just find a master and learn from them
an llm output has no 20-200 years of reputability behind it
nobody is accountable when an llm is wrong and you wasted 2 weeks chasing a dragon that doesnt exist
you cannot control the sourcing easily and if you can then you could have just read the source or used it as a fancy search tool for the source
you cannot control how modern and up to date the information actually is, nor can you easily assess popularity of that viewpoint against a body of humans and culture, because you are learning from outside that group
any kind of structured learning is predicated on average shape of internet information, not actual human learning strategies, and so it will present information in incorrect orders or leave out entire heaps of information that are structurally necessary for comprehension
engaging with an llm invites more usage of the llm in an addictive feedback loop, engaging with real information invites personal experimentation, engaging with a human invites collaborative questioning + experimentation

I'm
>>109572628
And we have a great illustration here: >>109572631
>but you ask the llm for a minimal working example
>and then you ask it to explain whats happening line by line
Doesn't want to learn, just wants the dopamine hit.

>>109572644
>you didnt suffer so it doesnt count
lolle.
now thats being anti-tech

>>109572651
Thanks for further strengthening my point for me.

>>109572651
suffering or stress on some level is fundamentally required for information retention, comprehension and general mental health for mammals, something that comes easy goes easy as well

>>109568562
That's actually a neat future.

So the meta is to train an LLM only on official manuals and documentation?
And of course not having the LLM write code for you

>>109572689
Use RAG on the manuals instead, it's more effective. But ideally it should be a model finetuned to pull out references correctly, mainstream ones suck at this and love making up references and making up quotes separately. Otherwise you can use an agent flow where agent 2 verifies that agent 1's quotes/sources are consistent and agent 3 fixes anything that isn't.

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>>109572656
what point?
that youre being retarded?

>>109572659
you achieve retention by enabling mechanic memory by applying what you learn, as you go
otherwise, dw, i have more then enough pain in my life outside of programming
and, in fact, friction infuriates me when im working

>>109572716
Thanks for adding more evidence to my claims. Please keep responding to hammer in my point more. You really are my greatest ally.

>>109572732
ok, i officially lost patience
post code fgt, or remain silent forever more

>>109572631
We're on the same page. I use AI to discuss program architecture/security and to help gain a deeper understanding, but not to write code for me. I also use it to debug obscure C++ footguns but make sure to march through the explanation and understand it.
In an ideal world AI would be used to enhance human intellectual capability rather than replace it, but it looks as if we're gonna be outcompeted by vibeprompters and eventually robots the way things are heading.

>>109572741
>we're gonna be outcompeted by vibeprompters
yeah nah, not a chance
to force the machine to do any good, and to do it in a realistic amount of tokens you basically need to feed it pseudocode, even today
vibetrannies are an eternal underclass and will always remain just that

>>109572741
and in the case youre alluding to future technologies
yes, gpai, and even sai are coming
but once theyre here vibetranies are still an underclass bc the ceo can just one-shot whatever he wants
no vibetrany involved whatsoever

im telling you
eternally permanent underclass for cause of mental slowness and general illiteracy

you niggers don't know how to use
>muh AI
LLMs are glorified search engines that can summarize information, put 2 and 2 together to make 4 and nothing more
LLMs cannot reliably create code, they cannot think for themselves, they're Google 2.0 and nothing more
>b-b-buh muh AI gurlfwend
it's just a regurgitation of what the LLM was fed by its creator

if you unironically use LLMs for anything else besides searching stuff, like solving complex problems and fixing your shitty code, get real

>>109568162
learn pipes, regex, basic system utilities like grep, sed, awk and bash scripting before diving into python if you want to unix

>>109572740
>AI psychosis results in random public meltdowns
Noted

>>109570303
Same bro, I think people who complain about stackoverflow telling them to do something a different way are genuinely retarded and incapable of evaluating multiple solutions to the same problem or something.
For me that is the most useful aspect of stack overflow. I will often have a vague idea of something I want to do, google a basic way I can think of doing it and then find a stackoverflow thread where someone suggests a much better way of achieving it.

>>109572784
All precisely correct, and it's always been the perfect irony to me because it's easy to rearchitecture AI systems to make best use of this search paradigm to get infinitely more accurate results that would make the tech 100x more useful, but no. We are only allowed postprocessing hacks.

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>>109572805
i cant help but notice that your reply doesnt contain any appreciable quantity of code
i accept your abject submission.

>>109572824
Thanks for once again proving me right.

>>109572842
if your point was that youre an actual nocoder, i agree 100%
point made crystal clear

>>109572824
i will make this lib available btw
its just that i didnt make much progress on my main project- ive been mulling over the proper interfacing to a stupid atoi since 2 days
because sometimes i need to check if the first char of the given string is even a number, or if i overflow
so a temporarily settled on 2 function pointers to provide callbacks
+ 2 args.
which is ugly and bloated, thus- a problem

but its handy. and its gonna be either that or returning an error code which also kinda sucks
bc thats an enum for a function that ~20 lines long

>>109570431
>you didn't explain why it's a false equivalency. it's not.
>elementary school student read a legal doc
>python learner reading python doc
your equivalency is they are both reading, the problem is no one expects a elementary school student to be able to read a legal doc, the python docs are written in a way where people that choose to learn python, are able to read them

>these words are all gibberish to someone without a programming background.
The tutorial you're reading is going to explain them all, considering most people learn programming in high school or college, I think they understand. what a synopsis is, being told what they are about to learn if they keep reading

>>109572775
You should consider the possibility that you might not be the winner in this scenario.
Who wins in a world where manual labour is automated? He/she who uses his/her minds capacity to produce something people want.
Who wins in a world where intellectual work is automated? He/she who can afford the most artificial intelligence compute.
Who wins in a world where AI is more intelligent than the smartest human? The AI.

>>109572932
>the ai is the winner
that sounds bordering on ai psychosis
those who will possess the technology of next-gen ai will be the winners.
>think about your job
i work for myself. i dont have a dog (or rather- rat) in this race

>>109572631
I've been digging through some obscure(-ish) NetBSD and Linux compatibility kernel code recently and let me tell you AI can't do shit with that. There are rarely verbose docs, a lot of stuff is obscured through mailing list archives etc.
Sure, wanna spin up JavaSlop CRUD #13453 strapped to a JSON REST + SQL backend? Might as well let the AI do it no doubt.
But for actually involved, niche stuff, it just breaks down and will keep generating pages upon pages of useless garbage that just reiterates the three main points from the Google excerpt of the project homepage.

You people do not seem to understand my post, if I tell someone to read the docs, that means I read the docs and know the answer is there, if the docs are shit then I provide a different resource, I am not saying all docs are perfect

Second I am not anti-AI, the point I am making is there is a fundamental difference between telling someone where to go versus actually stopping entry. You don't accuse a grocery store employee of gatekeeping when they tell you which isle the eggs are on
>>109571142
If you have to use hyperbole to make your point, then you don't really understand my position
>>109571891
>I’d rather go have lunch and talk to...
Ok
>Anti-AI faggots boil down to...
i'm not Anti-AI, I don't think telling someone where to find the answer is gatekeeping in any context, I am not saying that just because the topic is AI, see my post >>109568180

>>109572894
The absolute state of "I can totally learn using gay eye" retards gentlemen.

>>109572968
>Might as well let the AI do it no doubt.
Surprisingly, it still can't manage anything part a demo (not even a prototype proper).

>>109570756
Yeah, it’s weird that cameras don’t exist anymore

>>109568093
poo in loo, don't poo in my code

>>109572968
this happens.
ive had the llm hallucinate all over me when i was messing around with avx
but thats because the official documentation itself was wrong

im not saying that its a silver bullet.
obv its not gonna improvise correct or complete documentation when none is available

still, with well documented shit its a great accelerator
you skip straight to what you need, and the associated concepts
argument to keep your llms humanized btw
humanization causes fuzziness in the data thats thrown at you and so the chatbot usually provides most of the associated information by itself
and then ofc the prompter has to go through the process of actually understanding whats going on because the llm is not all knowing, obviously, it will be helpful, but wont guess all the info you actually need

>>109572953
What makes you think you can maintain control over an entity which is vastly more intelligent than you?
"Aligning" and "Sandboxing" a superintelligent AI is tasking a group of down-syndromers to design a maximum-security prison to contain the smartest criminals. It will be so much smarter that you could not even conceive of its complex plans, just as you cannot predict the moves of a chess grandmaster.
That's what I mean when I say "The AI" wins. It will find a way to wrestle control away from humans to further its own goals, and we cannot predict how.

>>109571636
>one day all of these ai companies will become complacant with the amount of users they have and decide its about time to become profitable
The business model is already profitable, in the sense of getting far more (ridiculously more) from providing inference than it takes in energy costs and amortized hardware costs. The reason the companies are in the red is that they're spending trillions to build even more datacenters and train even more powerful models before the competition does. Meanwhile the Chinese labs keep up with them for a fraction of the cost.
That's why there are hundreds of no-name providers serving models they haven't developed themselves popping out like mushrooms, and randos quanting and retraining models as a public service/funded through fucking kofi. That's why many companies offer "free" AI services (in exchange for your data, like most free services.)
openAI and anthropic could go bankrupt/get banned by executive order tomorrow and there'd still be an ecosystem of cheap and free models, certainly powerful enough to parse docs and replace codemonkeys (in fact, people might finally realize how hard they got fleeced by the big labs)

>>109573009
With well documented shit you don't need it, with poorly documented shit it's useless.
Therein lies the problem.

>>109573019
You have no idea what the word profitable means. On top of that, you are pulling numbers out of your ass that directly disagree with current non-audited reports (i.e. reports that are not as bad as the shit actually is).

>>109573016
>What makes you think you can maintain control over an entity which is vastly more intelligent than you?
1)because youre the one defining what intelligence even means in its context
2)because youre not gonna give it access to everything if can be actually dangerous
3) im reasonably certain next gen will be symbolic-ish and so we will be able to just look into its "head" and see the associations bw concepts verbatim

in fact, i think it would be one of the unexpected uses of sai- just let it learn and figure shit out, then look at what came out the other end to see what we missed/didnt think about

>>109573009
well documented stuff is rarely the issue I imagine. The thing I came to realize is that AI has little to no ability to semantically parse distributed bare-metal source code. It can't reason like a human and infer based on prior knowledge. It just looks for the most similar thing in its training data and outputs the training data context.

>>109568093
Imagine making a wojak comic in 2026.

>>109568093
the incels really didn't like this one did they

>>109573057
>>109573016
LLMs are just lossy compression algorithms that use weighted graphs as their storage data structure. Proximity queries may yield quasi-intelligent replies, but unless novel training data is supplied that does not fit previously compressed patterns, no new meaning can be generated.

>>109573077
yup, that pretty much sums it up
theres just thought patterns that 404 on an llm bc in the end its just a bunch of stats
one that was salient to me was when i ran async ideas through it
it just went
>uuuh thats hard doe, maybe you should find another solution...

theres no proper reasoning in all this.
however they perform admirably well when asked to follow/regurgitate a constellation of terms that are correlated together
in fact, ive "configured" mine to "look" for terms that are absent from a prompt, but which relate to the discussion, turning the llm into a tutor of sorts
im self taught and so i have holes in my knowledge. its pretty handy to have an llm do a second pass and pull up the knowledge you seem to be lacking, unprompted. if you dont know something, its reasonable that you wont know that you dont know it kinda deal
- another advantage of not de-humanizing your llms. but it still boils down to the margin of fuzziness one allows their llm in the output

>>109573132
sure
i guess thats the non-retard way of saying what i mentionned here >>109573134

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>>109573029
Let's say your factory makes products that sell for x50 what it takes to produce and distribute them, and you see that and make the somewhat rational decision to borrow as much money as you possibly can to build another dozen factories before someone else does. Your business is profitable; your company, at the moment, is not. It may well be that profit margins disappear with 12 or 100 factories flooding the market (you have competitors) and you'll go bankrupt, or maybe you'll find you can in fact have 100 factories churning out products for x40 or x80 profit, in which case you're now fabulously rich.

But the less ambitious companies that stick to just running one or two such factories and reap the profits without betting their whole existence on expansion are already comfortably profitable.

>>109573057
>because youre the one defining what intelligence even means in its context
Not me, but you who used the phrase 'sai', which I assume stands for "Superintelligent AI" which you were too lazy to type.
>because youre not gonna give it access to everything if can be actually dangerous
Yeah I probably wouldn't, but what about Joe? How is this going to be enforced?
When it comes to nuclear reactors there's a non-zero chance of a leak, but we should use them anyway because per-capita fewer people die than through air pollution emitted by coal-fired plants. When a disaster does occur, it can only kill a few thousand people at most.
With a hypothetical Superintelligent AI the stakes are much higher, with the fate of the entire human race on the line. Corporations have an incentive to squeeze out more profit, and both America and China have an incentive to push the limit ever further. It's a global game of blackjack except if one person bids too high, everyone loses.
>next gen will be symbolic-ish and so we will be able to just look into its "head" and see the associations bw concepts verbatim
We can terminate instances which show evidence of misaligned behaviour, but that only buys some time. The ones that can conceal their intent will proliferate, just as strains of bacteria spread which are resistant to antibiotics.

>>109568162
>What if I'm too dumb to read
Than you have far bigger issues than being "gatekept" from coding

>>109573220
>sai
no, that stands for "singularity ai". an ai that can self-improve

>Yeah I probably wouldn't, but what about Joe? How is this going to be enforced?
same was as with nukes. or with biological agents
>but what if it breaks out anyways?
critical infrastructure is airgapped. shits gonna get wonky for a while, but not to the extent of extinction level wonkiness
>The ones that can conceal their intent will proliferate
no, thats the thing with symbolic ai, and the defining difference bw it, and machine learning

symbolic ai involves logical symbols which can be reasoned about by the programmer
symbolic sai means you can literally look into its head. no possibility of hidden shenanigans whatsoever

>>109568121
It's like reading Wikipedia: it's written for people who already understand the subject

>>109573170
Look up the definition of profit in a dictionary sometime, Cletus.

>>109573250
A lot of AI can already self-improve. Alphago is a high-visibility example. Schizo.

>>109573322
nono
in the sense of
>rewriting its own code into a better version, ad infinitum
thats the singularity part in singularity ai

>>109573338
And the difference between this and improvement by techniques like self-play or simulation is...?
Retard.

>>109573357
>is...
humongous

what youre describing is a property of machine learning, not even neuronal networks, or even deep learning
read a fucking book,
im not gonna spoonfeed you further because youre an annoying cunt

>>109573357
NTA but playing a game with defined rules against yourself with a win/lose condition is.a domain where you can become better by playing against yourself

Talking to yourself in a room about a topic you cannot win or lose at doesn't provide more information, it would require you to interop with many different domains and weave them together, aka reason, which is what an LLM can't do, it is just a retarded statistical likelihood machine

>>109572328
Oh yes I did. I'm not a vibecoder. Keep seething

>>109573132
It's true LLMs don't resemble human intelligence well. The transformer architecture is structured differently than a mammal's brain, but still exhibits some form of intelligence because it uses neural networks. The biggest difference might be that, where in transformers there is a fixed series of layers and the "signal" must pass through each one consecutively, but our brain has some longer neurons which allows different regions to communicate with each other.

Simple rules can generate complex systems at a large enough scale. A good lecture on that subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ZuWbX-CyE
I'm not going to tell you where to skip to because I want you to watch the full video. It will change the way you view the world.

The structure of a human's brain is not something unique to us. The only fundamental difference between a monkey's brain and a human's is the size. All that's needed to attain human level intelligence and beyond is to take some simple rules and scale it up.

>>109570756
and they all have the same what I call "chatgpt-yellow" tint for some reason

>>109573451
>All that's needed to attain human level intelligence and beyond is to take some simple rules and scale it up.
turns out: not exactly

lets take two cpus
one that runs doom
another one that runs, idk, fukken deref 0 in a loop
obviously the output is not gonna be the same

the idea that intelligence is based on simple, mechanistic rules is pure conjecture
a mechanistic approach to intelligence is a dogmatic one.

>>109573451
>>109573499
actually
you dont even need a neuronal structure to simulate deep learning
cells that respond to chemical stimuli, ran through multiple generations, will "learn" to respond to new stimuli without any neuronal structure being involved
creating parallels between NNs and actual neurons is reductive to the point of yielding erroneous conclusions

>>109568093
everyone is just afraid teaching anyone anything will cause them to have to compete harder for their easy job.

AI absolutely kills these people, and AI is the absolute result of people trying to gatekeep. This is the future they chose.

>>109568162
Mate you have to at some point learn how these things work.

>>109573451
>>109573549
adn, in fact, biological cells without neurons can do something NNs cant do: increase their context size through training
random mutation in a quasi infinite solution space without an upper bound to complexity yields that
no neurons needed whatsoever

mathematical neurons are not the same as biological neurons, or biological life in general.
they dont have the same properties

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>>109570518
That settles it.
You will get what you fucking deserve.

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>snailoids still seething

>be retarded on a forum
>people call you out for being a retard
>be retarded to an llm
>llm gives you an equally retarded solution
Honestly based, keep the subhuman jeets from ever being able to even simulate competency so they can stay in their retard bubble with others like them far from my workplace

>>109573661
> proud of gambling addiction
LMAO

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>>109568093
>gatekeepers
You never visited stack overflow in your life AI fagot.

it is literally a website full of questions and answer where the pros basically camp and wait for someone to ask something that was never asked before
>How do I copy and past in COBOL?
And boom instant answers and they get karma and you get answers.

Enjoy no skill and a hallucinating AI that will tell you lies.

>>109573698
Those "pros" gatekeep computing—AI opens the doors.

holy shit you dumb fucks don't know how life and intelligence works
look at bacteria, it's pure reactionary, like robots, in a constant state of balancing the external with the internal until perfection a.k.a. death
the only reason we have thoughts, we have knowledge, we have consciousness is because there are enough internal and external reactions between our neurons in a specific way that permits consciousness to exist, which is all caused by the constant state of balancing of chemicals within our neurons and those that reach the synapses, the latter working in a binary-analog way where the presence of said chemicals cause a reaction, but the intensity causes longer lasting or shorter lasting reactions
AI will be able to have a consciousness only when the internal-external dynamics will permit it to think beyond pure regurgitation and reaction like it currently does
one can argue that humans regurgitate everything, alike robots, but the difference is that we, as humans, go through way more factors than pure presence of electricity and external inputs, we depend on food, on water, on thermals, on a lot of factors that shapes and defines how we may think in the moment; a robot will not be able to do that without appropriate code that will moan and complain about the presence of pressure at position X, which result in a reaction

overall takeaway: we functions as an ultra complex mixture of endless reactions directed towards a perfect state, which is death, and our neural architecture permits consciousness, not just pure thinking, feeling, memorizing and logically react to our surrounding world
that consciousness is the most difficult thing to figure out because we are still attempting to understand what exactly causes consciousness
my personal thesis is that consciousness is basically what Intel ME or AMD PSP should be - something that gives tasks left and right - but I am not sure as I haven't tried to make myself a robot girlfriend, I prefer to entertain Mr. GOD

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>>109573693
I’m just enjoying the show

>>109573711
>gatekeep because im too retarded to follow instructions
your moms should have gatekept you from life through the means of a post birth abortion

a lack of evolutionnal pressure really did a number on humanity, didnt it?

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>>109573698
>>109573711
It is incredible what lies these AI shill bots will tell. Ehh.

You can literally ask how to right click the mouse on stack overflow and 100s of pros will jump over one another to explain this to you for free karma. You will not get a ban and you will not get downvoted.

You can even use the search function to find real answers to all these questions.

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>>109573735
>a lack of evolutionnal pressure really did a number on humanity, didnt it?
YES.

>your moms should have gatekept you from life through the means of a post birth abortion
However the AI shill is a bot.
you are talking to a retarded bot.

This is what you can find in stack overflow: >>109573994

AI is a useful tool but you shouldn't rely on it, you should know enough not to make bad decisions with it, but you should use it to speed up your learning or workspeed. Any other take is just retarded seething or being lazy.

>>109574008
AI is not a tool it is retardation.

If you are to retarded to type in
>how to copy files in bash
Into the search bar and read
>cp -r ./SourceFolder ./DestFolder
Then you are to retarded to ask chatGPT.

AI is cancer from start to finish. I once asked chatGPT how to change the language in windows using a .REG file and I did have it literally hallucinate that this is not possible.

And this was the moment when AI proved itself to be useless. Because using the win registry with .REG files is basically some black wizardry that no one knows where the info comes from.

>>109573357
I'm just a retard but intuitively that point is a singularity only in the sense that the necessary compute to achieve that point grows asymptotically

>>109573451
>le emergent behaviour meme
yeah I know that's a thing
>All that's needed to attain human level intelligence and beyond is to take some simple rules and scale it up
erm didya kno the Neanderthals had bigger brains than humans and nonetheless we were smarter?
I'm sorry but if you cannot see how vastly inferior and rigid AIs are in their cognitive model compared to humans I am left to conclude that you are either A) retarded, B) have little to no human interaction
or both

>>109573558
fuck yeah I wanna gatekeep. This shit is my most beloved hobby and favourite activity in the world.
Nobody bats an eye when chess players agree that if the clock runs out, you have lost. Yet as a programmer I'm somehow morally obliged to let anyone who so chooses yammer on about muh prompt engineering and agent swarms, whereas I know that if I asked them how a syscall works they couldn't give me a concise answer - and most importantly they don't even CARE or feign any interest in that?
Absolutely not, they should try their little opportunistic conman game with someone else. I have watched enough technological enshittification to not keep my mouth shut anymore.

>>109574045
>>109574099
Adapt or die, whiners. The future is now.

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>>109574155
>the future
yeah, sure 2mw etc

>>109573381
AI psychosis status: terminal

Bye bye LUDDITES, it's over!

>>109574232
>notice me senpai
i did. and now i choose to ignore you, bc youre a nocoder

>>109574155
I adapt by seeking like-minded people. Some BSDs and alternative software forges are keeping the old ways alive, mailing lists, praising good documentation, vetting code and dependencies, building small, interoperable systems - just because they care and like what they do.
I have no financial incentive and I'm not seeking for attention, I just want to build good, open software as part of a like-minded community. If anything, AI has tightened the community. Fuck Torvalds and his corpo-cum-filled asshole kernel.

>>109574307
Your mistake is that you think anyone gives a fuck about you.

>>109574765
I do give a fuck.

>>109574307
keep on, anon.

>>109570756
This is the great artist replacement promptrannies applauded.

>>109568093
>I’m glad AI is here to make gatekeepers irrelevant.
AI is just regurgitating shit it found on internet, if no one has solved the issue, it's basically useless otherwise.